Michael Moore: "Fahrenheit 9/11" Follow-Up Not A Sequel

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DAVID GERMAIN | May 16, 2008 04:39 PM EST | AP

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In this May 23, 2004 file photo, American film director Michael Moore gestures while presenting his Palme d'Or trophy for his documentary film "Fahrenheit 9/11" as he climbs the steps of the festival palace during the closing ceremony of the 57th International Film Festival in Cannes, southern France. (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)

CANNES, France — With his follow-up to "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore wants to examine America as an empire, study its standing since the Sept. 11 attacks and present revelations to surprise audiences as much as the first film did.

But he doesn't want to make a sequel.

"To just say it's a sequel is so wrong," Moore told The Associated Press on Friday at the Cannes Film Festival, where he met with potential international distributors for the film, due out in 2009.

The documentary announced this week at Cannes will be a broader chronicle than "Fahrenheit 9/11," which took President Bush to task over the terrorist attacks and the Iraq war.

"It would be easier and safer to make a sequel, if that's all it was, but this isn't about Bush. We all know this. Regardless of who the president is come November, we have a big mess, a big, big mess to be cleaned up, and I don't know whether it can be cleaned up," Moore said. "The toxicity of the spill may be so great that there's nothing we can do about it. If that's the case, where are we now as America and as Americans?"

"Fahrenheit 9/11" won the top prize at Cannes in 2004 and went on to top $100 million at the domestic box office, the only documentary to hit that mark.

Moore plans to keep details of the film to himself, saying he regretted talking too early about his health-care documentary "Sicko." Health insurers were able to mobilize against him, which "made it impossible for me to get in anywhere" for interviews, he said.

The new film, which doesn't yet have a title, is being financed by Overture Films, which is handling the U.S. release, and Paramount Vantage, which is overseeing international distribution.

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Chris McGurk, chief executive officer of Overture, said the new film will be something of a culmination of Moore's previous work, which includes the General Motors tale "Roger & Me" and the Academy Award-winning gun-control documentary "Bowling for Columbine."

"The country has sort of been rotting from within, and the culprits are big business, big corporations, kind of the conservative government," McGurk said. "`Bowling for Columbine,' `Sicko,' `Roger and Me' all could have been episodes inside the context of this film."

While Moore said the new film would go beyond Bush, he dropped strong hints that the president would remain in his sights.

"Our biggest enemy that we should have been afraid of during these last eight years was perhaps an internal one, and I don't mean ourselves," Moore said. "I mean people that were up to absolutely no good when it came to what was best for this country and best for the world.

"It's my sincere hope that next Jan. 20, it's not just a transition taking place at the White House, where the U-Haul pulls up to take his stuff to Crawford (Texas). I think there should be a perp-walk coming out of the West Wing. The crimes that these people have committed go far beyond _ and I'm not saying it on any kind of an emotional level or what my feelings are about Bush or whatever. I think there are very specific things that need to be looked at in terms of what they've done."

Moore, 54, scolded Hollywood for shying away from the Iraq War early on. He said "Fahrenheit 9/11" was the only war film to become a hit because it came out at a time when it touched a nerve, prompting people to question U.S. military action.

A recent wave of Iraq-themed movies bombed because support for the war has dwindled and most Americans now oppose it, he said.

"Because they didn't have the courage to put these films out when they were needed, the public didn't get to see them, the war continued," Moore said.

"When they finally started putting them out really last year and into this year, 70 percent of the public was against the war. Seventy percent of the public already knew that the war was no good, and they didn't need to spend Friday night at a movie theater after they've been working hard all week to sit there and be told this war is really a bad idea."

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CANNES, France — With his follow-up to "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore wants to examine America as an empire, study its standing since the Sept. 11 attacks and present revelations to surprise a...
CANNES, France — With his follow-up to "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore wants to examine America as an empire, study its standing since the Sept. 11 attacks and present revelations to surprise a...
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Mr. Moore - to be on the safe side, please consider employing a full-time psychiatrist to accompany you as you embark on this journalistic adventure as very tragically several people investigating the Bush Dynasty have wound up taking their own lives - some even before they finish their projects. I can only surmise that constantly being around the sheer evil that cloaks the "family shrub" must compromise even the sanest of minds...Good luck & May the Force be with You!

p.s. you psychiatrist may need some bodyguards...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 05/19/2008
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The Reply part of this doesn't seem to be working, so this is a response to leftcoastindy:

Your ex might be Canadian, but you need a bit more background about the country to understand why there is currently a Conservative government (though it's a minority, which ties its hands pretty severely). The Liberal Party has been Canada's governing party, either as a majority or minority government, for most of our history. The fact that there's a Conservative minority at present is due to the fact that the real liberals in the Liberal Party were increasingly marginalized as a policy of "campaign left, run right" became the rule. As the Liberals became increasingly arrogant, corrupt and right-wing after 10 years in power, they managed to get caught in a very nasty scandal concerning public money being funneled to their buddies in various PR/advertising firms.

The Tories got in by promising to "clean up" the corruption. So far, the legislation they promised to do this has remained largely a promise rather than a reality. They've done some things much (though far from all) of Canada likes...like fulfilling our promise to NATO in Afghanistan. But Harper is gay for Bush, and if the Liberals ever get up off the floor, he and his ilk will be right back in Opposition again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 05/19/2008
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One more thing, and Mr. Moore would agree with me. George W. Bush is a Liberal. He is spending our money like it is going out of style. Under his leadership, government has grown larger, not smaller, as under Clinton/Gore. The war willsoon have cost a trillion dollars. George W. is a financial Liberal, and do not forget it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 05/19/2008

Spending money like an idiot doesn't make you a liberal. It just makes you an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 05/19/2008

How many chins is one man allowed to have?! We just found the hot air source that is global warming. John McCain should use him for a foot warmer during his inaugural address in 2009.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 05/18/2008
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The only office John Mcbush will be moving into is his home office. He can fly there on one of Cindy's jets when he decides which of his several homes he will set it up in. Maybe there he can contemplate independent thought. A concept that has a direct relationship to open minded or LIBERAL thinking. You would do well to look up the meaning of Liberal. Maybe you too can be a free thinker. Good luck with your independence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 05/18/2008

Your thinking is certainly independent -- independent of reasoning that is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 05/19/2008
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I believe one for every extremely revealing and successful film about our corrupt government. Look for more chins, coming soon to a theater near you. WAKE UP! and stop being counterproductive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 05/18/2008
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You must be a typical republican asshole. You offer no solutions to this trainwreck that the Repubs have spawned this last 8 years. Just insults. typical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 05/19/2008
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Excess is not good for anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 05/18/2008
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Like 'terror' or 'drugs', using 'fundamentalist Islam' to label for an enemy in war, allows our government to change their identity at will. And like warring against 'terror', there can never be a defined victory. Will we stop fighting this 'war' when all the Islamic fundamentalists are dead? When they have all been bombed back into the middle ages? When they are all disarmed? Can these things ever happen?

These are important questions to ask yourself, before supporting a 'war', as defined by any government. Particularly a government such as ours, that has profited so mightily from these unending 'wars'.

I definitely support fighting terrorists with all of the most effective resources at our disposal, but not as if we are in a war akin to fighting the axis powers of WWII. Because these things are not the same. WWII required a relinquishing of many basic freedoms during the fight, and Americans knew that to lose to Hitler and the Japanese Empire, would bring massive destruction down upon us. And no, the 9-11 attacks are not massive when compared to the kind of destruction an unimpeded Luftwaffe would have brought to our cities. So you right wingers need to get a spine, change your soiled underwear, and stop being such a bunch of scared p*ssies. Your're acting like Al Qaida has an air force ready to bomb us into dust. They do not. A hundred 9-11 attacks wouldn't be enough to bring America down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 05/18/2008
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"Your're acting like Al Qaida has an air force ready to bomb us into dust. They do not. A hundred 9-11 attacks wouldn't be enough to bring America down."

So what is your strategy? To wait until Al Qaeda HAS a Luftwaffe capable of bombing us into the dust? Wait for the hundred and FIRST September 11th style attack?

What kind of logic do that make?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/18/2008
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Read my post again. I said "I definitely support fighting terrorists with all of the most effective resources at our disposal, but not as if we are in a war akin to fighting the axis powers of WWII."

That means we fight terrorism in the most effect ways possible. With increased security for our ports, borders, air cargo, etc. We go after terrorists in the way has always been the most effective, by following money trail that leads to those who finance them and by sophisticated intelligence work. Not by invading countries that pose no threat to us. Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with the 9-11 attacks, and is now a breeding ground for anti-American extremism, thanks to President dumb@ss and the idiots who voted in sufficient numbers to allow the Supreme court to install him in the Whitehouse. In the long term we also try to address the underlying causes of anti-American hatred. This starts with growing the f*ck up and acknowledging that the idiotic assertion by President dumb@ss that 'people hate us because we're free' is nonsense. They hate us in large part because we are an imperial power, taking control their resources to profit our oil and war industries.

How's that for a strategy? I'll bet it will work a lot better than what the Bush administration is doing now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/18/2008
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Excuse me? A tiny organization like Al Qaeda, getting an Air Force?

From where, exactly? It takes a Nation to build an Air Force, like, say, the United States. (Isn't it interesting how we supposed have Air Superiority in Iraq, and still not getting anywhere?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 05/18/2008
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TO: Timmyslagle

Because there are no reply buttons on many messages, I'm starting a new thread. Huffington Post techs need to fix this!

"Did you forget that we were attacked on September 11th? You might not remember that we are at war with fundamentalist Islam, but I guarantee our enemies have not. "

Here again is the same problem as the 'war on terror'. Just what in the hell does it mean to be at war with 'fundamentalist Islam'? I can understand a war on Al Qaida, a war the government of Iraq, a war on the Taliban, but a war on a concept like 'fundamentalist Islam' or on a tactic like 'terror', or a social ill like 'drugs', is not possible. It is not rational. Precisely who are the agents of fundamentalist Islam? Are we in a war with all of them, or just the ones who advocate or support attacks against Americans? How do we define fundamentalist Islam? There is strong disagreement throughout the world, and even within our own government as to what fundamentalist Islam is, and who is practicing it. Saudi Arabia is a fundamentalist Islamic state, according to most. Should we bomb them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/18/2008
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"a war on a concept like 'fundamentalist Islam' or on a tactic like 'terror', or a social ill like 'drugs', is not possible. It is not rational."

I agree, it isn't. But it is real. A war on drugs, or a war on poverty is a different animal, because those are wars against inanimate objects or concepts. There are actual troops within Fundamentalist Islam. This war is probably closer to the Barbary Wars than anything else in History (comparing it to WWII is a false analogy).

I cannot tell you who the agents are, because I don't follow it as closely as I should, but there are people actively plotting ways to bring down Western Civilization. (And I wouldn't be opposed to bombing Saudi Arabia, unfortunately, once you drop a bomb on Mecca, you are at war with ALL of Islam.)

Yes there is disagreement throughout the world, but this isn't a new phenomenon. The US has often been a Maverick in the World community-- most often our straying from world opinion has worked for the betterment of Humanity. Our (almost unilateral) distrust of Socialism in the last century, saved civilization from its lesser demons. When the smoke had cleared, it was the USAQ that had the capital and industry to rebuild the world from its ruins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 05/18/2008
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"I cannot tell you who the agents are, because I don't follow it as closely as I should, but there are people actively plotting ways to bring down Western Civilization. "

I maintain that no one knows who all the agents are in such a war. I agree that there are those plotting ways to bring down Western Civilization, and we must fight them. What I'm saying is that those threats are not anything close to being comparable to the threat that was posed to us in real wars. There have always been, and probably always will be, those who plot against us. Our nation is most definitely strong enough to defend against such people. Where I disagree with the Bush supporters is in how we do it, and in how we live in the mean time. The Bush Republicans want our nation to cower in constant fear, trading our futures and our freedoms in order to allow them to run roughshod over us and make themselves richer. They want Americans to be too afraid to think straight. Our Founding Fathers lived in far, far more dangerous times. And yet they had the guts to form a nation based on principles like those found in the Bill of Rights, that if put to a popular vote today would never be passed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/18/2008
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dezzertguy (Posted 11:45 PM on 05/17/2008) said:

"I guess they figured it would cost more that $1 million to sue and get the funds given Moore's reputation. Here is just one lie in the movie:"

"Fueling the Fahrenheit 9/11 controversy, members of the 9/11 Commission dispute filmmaker Michael Moore's claims that 26 members of Osama bin Laden's family were secretly shuttled out of the country while planes were grounded after the terror attacks."

That's one "lie" Moore is guilty of repeating as you stated. Now please, next time, include some links--and NO WINGNUT SITES.

'Media Fund Twists the Truth More Than Michael Moore
October 27, 2004'

'This anti-Bush radio ad is among the worst distortions we've seen in what has become a very ugly campaign. It states as fact some of the most sensational falsehoods that Michael Moore merely insinuated in his anti-Bush movie Farenheit 9/11.'
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2004/media_fund_twists_the_truth_more_than.html

'So is Fahrenheit 9/11 unfair, full of innuendo and cheap shots, and guilty of specious arguments? Sure. But that just makes it the perfect complement to the arguments of many in the pro-war crowd itself. Perhaps the reason they're so mad is that they see more than a little of themselves in it.'
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_06/004229.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 05/18/2008
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If we were truly more like his beloved Cuba, he wouldn't be allowed to film or even speak about these things. But then if he got better health care it'd be worth it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 05/18/2008
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You mean if WE got better health care. Please try to pay attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 05/18/2008
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Huh? Did you say something? ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 05/18/2008

Michael Moore is a patriot, but he is a flawed patriot.

He stands for everything I believe in, but the way that he uses weak or fallatious arguements seriously damages his impact on the mass audience.

Whether the subject is the Bush Admin, or health care, there are so many completely valid points from which to launch his attack, why include the spurious arguements?
These only appeal to his already convinced backers, but hurt his ability to sway the undecided and give ammunition to his detractors.

I dislike seeing his face in the press, because of the extent to which he undermines serious issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 05/18/2008

You're a rarity or a conservative?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 05/18/2008
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huh? All he did in F-911 was assemble footage of bush, cheney, condi, rummi, and all the other criminals lying trhough their teeth and incriminating themselves. can you give like maybe one example of his 'weak or fallacious arguments'?
thanks for backing up your slurs,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/18/2008

why does everything have to be so black and white with some people??? some of his points in his movies are very good points. some things are a bit exaggerated, sure. why do some people refuse to take his good points into consideration?

changing the way we deal with ourselves and the world for the better doesnt mean we have to become communist. the british transitioned from an oppressive empire back to a contained state with much success. im not saying that the UK is a utopia, but they managed to make it with their country in tact and their people relatively happy and wealthy.

as for mr. moore, my only complaint right now is that he and his band of hollywood goof-balls have once again invaded my little town of cannes. the traffic is horrible, there are 20k people outside my flat, no restaurants are taking people in, the price of everything has shot up and there are big dancing pandas around everywhere (pandas??? what the heck is going on?). hollywood brings with it a sleazyness everywhere it goes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 05/18/2008
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fahrenheit 9/11 was a big part of the turnaround in and turn away from PHONY patriotism, especially regarding the war. it got masses of people seriously questioning what the Bush administration was doing. michael moore is a TRUE patriot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 05/18/2008
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Good Lord what a mess of a man....I'd be ashamed of myself, with his resources to be getting fatter and fatter and fatter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 05/18/2008
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Since you can't refute his arguments, it makes much more sense to just attack him for his weight, ya' hater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 05/18/2008
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Please post a photo of yourself AND a list of all your accomplisments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 05/18/2008

Very intelligent response. You have greatly advanced the nation toward a meaninful dialogue about the great issues of the day. I think I get what you are saying, but let me help you with some grammar and formatting, so your impactful insight can be more fully disseminated. You might have written: "Good Lord! (or Lard) What a mess of a man! I would be ashamed of myself [if I had Michael Moore's resources and could afford 1) breast reductin surgery, 2) a personal chef, 3) a private trainer, 4) what ever else came waddling into your mind - but that is clearly hard to tell from the context]. Despite his [apparent] surfeit of resources, he gets fatter and fatter."

You should also clarify your sources on Michael Moore's "resources", and give a detailed analysis of his weight increases over whatever specified time you are referring to.

I am quite certain that you have no idea what you are talking about, so we'll all just dismiss this as another personal attack made in lieu of any concrete connection to fact or reality.

Dismissed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 05/18/2008

Gee - very thoughtful!
Although, I have seen a recent interview with Mr. Moore, and it looks like he has lost quite a bit of weight.
Ask yourself this - if you, personally and individually, were demonized in the most despicable way by a good portion of the leadership and media of this country, how would you bear up under the pressure of that? What would your response be?
Not an excuse, just an observation that we all have our own way of coping with stress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 05/18/2008
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he is fat, but he makes good movies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/18/2008

To Michael Moore: I am glad you are working on your next so much needed film.
The "Two Americas", the country we live in, needs your movie to start transferring into "One America". Do include the Miami real estate market and both the film and its viewers will greatly benefit. Give me a chance to introduce you to some of the most shameful examples of the city's real estate licenced professionals and moguls greed, ruthlessness and lack of ethics that have been sinking us--One America's helpless, so far, champions, calling for CHANGE.
You are right, a miracle is needed to achieve a change powerful enough to bring back to life all both human and material values that have been so damaged. The corporate media are largely to blame for a lot of confusion, misunderstanding and total falsehoods in people's perception of the most painful contemporary issues. Also--how sad-- people in our "One America" camp. Needless to say, building "One America" as hard as it is going to be in the best of cirumstances --will not be possible if we are split along several lines.
So it is great you are making this new film. There is no doubt it will put the record stright, prioritize issues, show direction, shake conscience, inspire and energize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/18/2008
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Whatever your thoughts about who is culpable for 911, one has to admit this: (1) Without the war on terror this present administration would have been in a very weak position as they love war as it gives them much more power over the American people. (2) The Bush administration would not have been able to eviscerate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as easily .(3) Oderint dum mutant, they would not be able to use the obstreperous, politics of fear and hate to such an extent. (4) No wonder they love the mantra: EVERYTHING CHANGED AFTER 911!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 05/18/2008
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He is a patriot, he is an equal opportunity power basher, as evidenced when he took on the Clinton administration over NAFTA in the 90's (Downsize This, The Big One.) Pavarotti was fat, did that negate his vocal talent? Moore is a true patriot because he fights against the corporations who lay people off when they are making record profits, he fights for people who can't afford health care, he reveals the dubious connections between the Bushes and the Saudis, he goes on though he has been getting death threats for over a decade. Americans should thank God they have an advocate like Moore. Thanks, Zapata.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 05/18/2008
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The site won't let me respond to a particular note but this has to do someone who used the work "elites" which is a buzzword that has nothing to do with actual right-wing power elites but which is used to influence the same people who were the subject of Obama's "bitter" comment. Only the right-wing views these same people through a way more cynical lens than Obama did. By waving the "elites" flag the right-wingers prey on any economic or social insecurities people might have by saying "Se, these other guys think they are better than you. They are making fun of you." It's a way of pretending to be on someone'side while they stab them in the back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 AM on 05/18/2008

lets just turn to communism and make miguel happy. cuba is the paradise of the western world; no big bidness or corporations to kill the innocent

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 05/18/2008
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Do you really honestly believe that Moore wants a communistic system? I bet he wishes for a bit more leftism in USA so that everyone can actually be covered by having healthcare coverage. The size of your wallet shouldn't matter, everyone should be able to have access. Humans are worth investing in and USA will never become anything Cuba, different history, different people, different founding fathers etc..

The truth is that some of your dear leaders rather sell you placebo than offer real solutions. Lobbyists work extremely hard for this to happen.

Vote Ron Paul if you are against the current system. See how much freedom you'll really have when you really cannot influence private businesses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 05/18/2008
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"Vote Ron Paul if you are against the current system. See how much freedom you'll really have when you really cannot influence private businesses."

Voting for Ron Paul, who doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected, is just throwing your vote away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 05/18/2008

Appearing on the ABC News program Nightline in June 2007, Moore responded: "In my movie you see Cubans getting help whenever they get sick, and that is the truth. The U.N. supports that fact. They have an excellent health care system, probably the best in the Third World."

I have others tell me the same thing. Cuba exports Doctors, nurses, medical teams and patented medicines. The result of an excellent medical system.

Communism was not a failure in all things. It turned literacy around in several countries and produced excellent medical and educational systems. As a child I always asked my Dad how was it that they were first in space with Sputnik and later how come they have Yuri Gargarrin the first man in space. And how was it they, the Communists produced people like Sakarov in Physics? If Communism was such a failure? He never answered.

In the last year I have personally interviewed six Eastern Europeans and asked them if education was better under the former Soviet system than the current "capitalistic" system. 100 percent responded better under the old Soviet system. A Bulgarian
woman told me she was so glad she got her PhD under the Soviet educational system because her Soviet vintage has more prestige in Europe and she has benefitted. She also told me that in Bugaria today education is crap......like the Americans she said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 05/18/2008
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I have a Cuban friend who lived through it all. He actually worked under Che after the revolution. (I love his story "so I went up to Che and said "I quit"") He is not rabid anti-Castro neither is he and enabler. I once asked him about the Cuban education system. His response was that they were really well trained but he wouldn't exactly call it education. There were a lot of things they were not allowed to learn.

Having said that, It has been known for some time that Cuba has provided medical staff and care for many poor countries all over the world. I can tell you those Cuban medical "ambassadors" will have way more reach than anything we have put out there in the past decades. Further, I know immigrants who, for many ailments, will buy a plane ticket home to get the free third world medical care rather than go to a US hospital. Cost has a lot to do with it, but mostly, it is their perception that the quality and caring it better from the poorer doctors. "American doctors are useless with out their machines."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 05/18/2008
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Micheal Moore is the spittin' image of how others view liberals, especially far-left liberals. EEEEWWW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 05/18/2008

All in your mind. Just subjective of you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 05/18/2008
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Moore supported General Wesley Clark in 2004, and now he supports Obama. Hardly the mark of a "far-left liberal."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 AM on 05/18/2008
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Obama is the MOST liberal senator in the senate - I'm sure you've heard that. That would make him far left than the other liberals.

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