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SARA KUGLER | May 17, 2008 05:42 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., reacts after dipping a bottle of whiskey into red wax at Maker's Mark Distillery in Loretto, Ky. Saturday, May 17, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

LORETTO, Ky. — The day of campaigning had barely begun and Hillary Rodham Clinton was already eyeing the whiskey.

The Democrat wasn't drowning her sorrows, she was touring Kentucky's Maker's Mark distillery as she soldiers on despite a difficult week. Her opponent, Barack Obama, continues to draw more Democratic forces into his camp and has largely ignored her while tussling with certain Republican nominee John McCain in a general election-style dispute over foreign policy.

But Clinton is acting as though the nomination is still within her grasp, beginning a multi-day swing through Kentucky on Saturday with a tour of the famous distillery in Loretto, where its first bottle of bourbon whiskey was created in the 1950s. Perhaps she is hoping for a replay in Kentucky of the election boost her much-publicized shot of whiskey gave her last month in Pennsylvania, where she won the primary.

This time around, Clinton put on gloves and safety goggles and joined the assembly line to dip a bottle of whiskey in Maker's trademark red wax coating, saving the drinking for later.

"There are some people who have been saying for months that this is over, and every time they say it, the voters come back and say, 'Oh no it's not, we're not ready for it to be over,'" Clinton told supporters as she stood on a stage in front of a stack of whiskey barrels.

"You don't quit on people and you don't quit until you finish what you started, and you don't quit on America."

Clinton began her day in Kentucky on just a few hours of sleep following a redeye flight from Portland that landed at 5 a.m. She boarded the flight after a day of campaigning in Oregon, which votes Tuesday along with Kentucky. Known for her ability to catch up on cat-nap sleep just about anywhere, Clinton rarely seems as exhausted as she must be, although sometimes it shows.

As she began to sign her name on the wall at a cannoli bakery in Salem, Ore., on Friday, Clinton paused for a moment with her black marker in the air and turned toward the press crowded around her to ask what day it was.

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Later that evening, during a televised town hall meeting in Portland, she was asked to describe the high and low points of the campaign.

The best times, she said, are whenever her daughter Chelsea joins her on the trail. The low point, she said, "is just being sleep-deprived and trying to get to more places than there are hours in the day to possibly cover."

"But every day something happens that really convinces me how important this is, and energizes me," she added.

Clinton is hoping for a big win in Kentucky, and plans to campaign here every day until the primary. The state's demographics resemble neighboring West Virginia, which gave her a much-needed victory last week.

Both states are overwhelmingly white, rural and have more residents below the poverty line and without college degrees than the national average _ the kind of working-class voters that have helped boost Clinton to victory in other states.

But Obama is favored to win Oregon, where 52 delegates are at state _ one more than Kentucky. Obama already enjoys a delegate advantage that makes it mathematically unlikely for Clinton to overtake him in the primaries, and that advantage continues to widen. Her campaign instead hopes to win over the influential party leaders and elected officials known as superdelegates with the argument that she would be the better Democrat to face McCain in November.

At another stop in Kentucky on Saturday, Clinton targeted McCain for promoting an economic agenda that she said would be "nothing less than four more years of George Bush economics."

Clinton told a few hundred people gathered in a gymnasium at Kentucky State University in Frankfort that McCain puts special interests first and middle class families last.

The Republican National Committee retorted that Clinton was launching a "desperate" attack and would subject the country to higher taxes and spending.

It has been harder in recent days for Clinton to portray herself as McCain's natural opponent. She was left to essentially watch from the sidelines as Obama and McCain engaged in a spat this week over how the United States should treat the leaders of rogue nations, giving the sense that a general election battle is already beginning to take shape between the two candidates.

And lately, instead of criticizing her Democratic opponent, she's taken aim at the media and the political pundits who are counting her out.

Clinton dismisses them in a new television ad airing in Oregon. The spot features clips of political pundits as an announcer says: "In Washington, they talk about who's up and who's down. In Oregon, we care about what's right and what's wrong."

And in her remarks in Kentucky on Saturday, she portrayed pundits and the media as out of touch elitists who have jobs and health care, and no idea what it's like to worry about making ends meet.

"They're not the people I'm running to be a champion for _ I'm running to be a champion for all of you," Clinton said.

She is still drawing crowds at her campaign events, but they are less raucous, and some of supporters admit they are concerned. Many remain upbeat, but are more reflective about the state of the primary race, which ends June 3 with contests in Montana and South Dakota.

As Clinton wrapped up a speech on the porch of a farmhouse in Bath, S.D., one day this week, 85-year-old Roy Heintzman said as he walked away: "I hope she's got an ace up her sleeve. She's going to need it."

LORETTO, Ky. — The day of campaigning had barely begun and Hillary Rodham Clinton was already eyeing the whiskey. The Democrat wasn't drowning her sorrows, she was touring Kentucky's Maker's Ma...
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- 1question I'm a Fan of 1question 7 fans permalink

The Clintons are never going to give up their insatiable quest for attention and power voluntarily. It’s way past time for the ‘super delegates’ of the Democratic Party to put an end to this Arkansas family drama.

What are they waiting for, the breathalyzer results...­?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/18/2008
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The party is trying to let the DLC down gently.

Personally, I'd just show them the door, but

waiting until after the election makes sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 05/18/2008
- DocR I'm a Fan of DocR permalink

Agreed. The DLC is a failed experiment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 05/18/2008
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I believe that Obama has more than enough supers pledged to him to go over the magic number. I believe he isn't releasing them all at once because he is waiting patiently for Hillary to leave on her own terms. If he floods her with supers to go over, she will be humiliated and wants to avoid that at all costs. Personally I think he's being a little too nice to her, but I give him points for caring enough to not humiliate her. Besides, I believe he knows that once he goes past the 2025, she will move the goalpost and say, "I'ts not 2025, its 2210". I think that after Oregon's vote is announced giving Obama at least a 20 point lead, he will then release the remaining supers, go over the 2025 and call it a day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 05/18/2008
- hugs4u I'm a Fan of hugs4u 10 fans permalink

She should of knew it was over when her money supply ran out and she had to pump up her campaign with her own money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 05/18/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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I heard an elderly woman from KS, call in to cspan this AM. Totally teed off, "Because of what they did to Hillary concerning MI and FL." She also took the opportunity to call Gov. S, a 'traitor to women', with her support of Sen. Obama. This is what we're dealing with folks.

Some one needs to SHOW these women a copy of the original SIGNED agreement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/18/2008

it's amazing what ones mind will tell them when the facts are something else.
If I were to say " Elvis is working at Burger King in Kalamazoo" 27 % of the people would beleive it.

Or

Bush has just brokered a peace deal between the Sunnis and the Shite. We won the war on terror, gas will be $1.50 a gallon next week, and abortion is illegal starting Monday. Bush said so. Fox News backs this up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/18/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 85 fans permalink

You can show the crazed fringe all the signed documents and spell them out and draw pictures, but nothing is going to bring them around. I don't think they are a large group, just very vocal, and they are offset by all of us new Democrats who have purposely come to the party because of Barack Obama, the young newly registered and the old switcheroos like myself from independent to Democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 05/18/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 85 fans permalink

BTW, I think there are a million of us, over 66,000 here in Oregon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 05/18/2008

If the results were reversed, no one would be hearing any of this. Obama would have bowed out, and with class. I gave HRC a chance, but she proved that she was no different from the "good old days": dishonest and entitled. I for one do not believe she stands for feminism, she is embarrassing. The Suffragettes won women the right to vote and I am exercising that right as a 40-ish white woman to vote for the Best candidate, not the one who is the same gender or race. For me it is the best candidate with the best message and best policies. Not everyone would agree with the me and that is the beauty of our nation to be able to express our different opinions, although McCain will further the loss of our rights and the destruction of our constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 05/18/2008

oops, I meant to say "our different opinions and votes, although a vote for McCain will further the loss of our rights and the destruction of our constituti­on." I wish the people could see the handwriting on the wall. Bill Moyers recognizes this mess we are in and I plan on reading his book. Here is a link to get a brief synopsis on what he says in his new book, "Moyers on Democracy": http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/18/01418/4079/968/517712

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 05/18/2008
- azyuwish I'm a Fan of azyuwish 15 fans permalink
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Thanks for the link Winkster. Powerful, true stuff!

I think I will read Moyers book as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 05/18/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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Hillary still seems to be hoping that something bad will happen to Obama and he will be destroyed before the convention.

The only good sign I have seen recently is that at least she has refrained from unfairly attacking Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 05/18/2008
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Your first sentence was my premise post but it has been in limbo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/18/2008
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oops, 'the premise of my post'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 05/18/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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I think that is the only premise that makes sense. I refuse to believe that Hillary and Bill don't understand delegate math, or that they think that FL and MI would be decided in a way to give Hillary the nomination. That they are keeping alive to buy time, hoping that something really bad would happen to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 05/18/2008
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Your post probably had the word s.h.o.o.t or s.h.o.t in it. For some reason HP is heavily censoring all posts that may have something to do with Obama being s.h.o.t. They completely closed down the postings at the Huckabee thread after 21 posts. What's up with that HP?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/18/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 237 fans permalink
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Too late---all the damage she wanted to inflict on him, from previous attacks, has been done. Hillary is being nice now because she is still hoping for a batch of superdelegates to endorse her...afte­r she reminds them of all they owe her and Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 05/18/2008
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Nothing could be more obvious that HRC is waiting for the landscape to change.

It will either be an all out whack job on Obama by the MSM or another major attack

on American soil. She will call for war along with McBomb and Obama will question

the rush towards war that the MSM will claim is a discredit to his loyalty & character.

The next POTUS was supposed to be a Clinton in 'their' grand scheme of things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 05/18/2008

Hillary's campaign of crying and whining and nagging probably turned a lot of people off to female politicians in general. Who knows how long it will take to repair that damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 05/18/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

ok sisters and brothers, try this......­"mccain appoints scalia clone".
Get over your snit and grow up......fa­ce it, even with her appeal to racists, your WASPY candidate couldn't draw our Party back into the last century.
It IS the New Dawn that Democrats have been working toward since I became active in 1966.

Yes we can, with emphasis on WE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 05/18/2008
- mystic I'm a Fan of mystic 18 fans permalink

Am I wrong or has Obama given in and allowed Michigan to be counted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 05/18/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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The last agreement I read about ( I live in MI), was his campaign offered a 69/59 split-her favor- and she turned it down. Now she wants a 0 split for Obama, because, his name was not on the ballot. Nice, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 05/18/2008
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You're wrong.

The decision about whether to count Michigan isn't up to Obama.

the Michigan Democratic party offered a solution in which Hillary would get 69 delegates and Obama would get 59 delegates.

Hillary rejected the proposal---she wants ALL the delegates. Her rejection proved that she cares nothing about the Michigan voters or their delegates---unless she gets credit for all of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 05/18/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 73 fans permalink
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Thank you for some common sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 05/18/2008
- xmw I'm a Fan of xmw 17 fans permalink

No Obama didn't agree to count Michigan. He was never against counting it. Thats's where clinton supporters have been so unfair. obama was blamed for the Michigan/Florida mess when all he did was follow the rules that the DNC made and He, Hillary and Edwards agreed to. Recently there was a proposal tfor Michigan hat would grant Hillary 69 delegates and Obama 59. Obama agreed to it. hillary rejected it saying "Obama shouldn't get any because he wasn't on the ballot". what's wrong with that statement??? That;s been the DNC's argument all along, his name was not on the ballot because he followed the rules, so the votes aren't fair. Hillary's concern for people having their votes count is phony. She wasn't concerned before she started losing. I was a hillary supporter but could not stomach the treachery any longer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/18/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 51 fans permalink

The Obama camp has agreed to Hillary getting 69 of the delegates and Obama gets 59. Hillary has refused this deal saying she is entitled to all the delegates.

Hillary is not really interested in all votes counting, she is interested in only counting votes that are for her. If she takes all the delegates then what about the people who voted uncommitted because they wanted to vote for Obama. That disenfranchises their votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 05/18/2008
- iBgood I'm a Fan of iBgood 2 fans permalink

This little goody two shoes, teacher's pet, "You don't quit until you finish what you started" is enough to make me puke. Is she 9 years old? Is she cleaning her room? Good grief.

Oh I see Hillary. It's not about doing what is best for your party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/18/2008

Finish what you started? You mean destroy the democratic party completely?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 05/18/2008
- RoSull I'm a Fan of RoSull 5 fans permalink

I feel the damage has ben done. If Hillary got this nomination (that would be one heck of an "IF"), she has alienated some of the very people that have always stood by her, and dare I say, even her husband. She has suddenly become this champion for white, working class americans, and has said nothing about anyone else. Those most loyal to to the democratic party are getting left out because she is really driving a wedge within the party. Are those bridges that she feel confident that she can mend? Nomination or not, it will be a long road back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 05/18/2008
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Look the only voters that Obama will lose is the Bubbas that will only vote for another Bubba. I for one am tired of Bubbas in the white house.

Obama will offset the Bubba votes with new people he brought into the party and most important with independent voters. In poll after poll he gets more Independents than McCain. Also don't forget that since McCain is not a Bubba he is not a favorite of those voters either. That's why even though he has been the presumptive nominee for MONTHS he still is not getting 25% of the vote. Most of these voters will stay home.

The fact is that woman who are real Democrats will vote for Obama in the end because if they vote for McCain it assures that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 05/18/2008
- azyuwish I'm a Fan of azyuwish 15 fans permalink
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YOU are right on all points.

I am a woman and will obviously vote for Obama over McCain b/c of the Supreme Court issue, Roe v. Wade.

Also Hillary brags about bringing out the Bubbas to vote for her. (white, uneducated males). Who wants the bragging rights to that? I'm glad Obama is drawing EDUCATED people, younger people. The older, ignorant white men, manipulated by the Carpet baggers in the GOP needs to fade away as a "force" in politics. Sure, they can vote and be represented, but now the educated, forward thinking round Earth people can have some clout too.

Yay!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 05/18/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 47 fans permalink

Good post, quarks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 05/18/2008
- bobo209 I'm a Fan of bobo209 9 fans permalink

It is Time to quCheney, Bush and their co-conspirators throughout the three branches of government must be removed. Indicted. Convicted. Imprisoned. Voting records of the 435 members of Congress and 33 Senators up for re-election in 2008 must be vetted, and those who do not reflect the will of the people must go. No exceptions. The remaining 17 Senators must either stand or fall on their voting records. If those who are guilty of the same breach of trust as their cohorts refuse to budge, they must be impeached and removed from office.

They have left us with but one choice, and one last chance to make that choice. We have reached a point in the "course of human events" where it is not only our "right but our duty" to throw off this destructive government and institute one which remembers it "derives its just powers from the consent of the governed."

The time has come for Americans to blink. Because the Abyss is staring back at us.
it. Hillary..T­urn on the light the party is over..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 05/18/2008

Interesting rhetoric, but where it all falls apart is that you think "the will of the people" is a monolith. It's easy to demonstrate otherwise. Just go anywhere people are gathered, ask a question, and listen to the answers. If there's more than one answer, you're wrong.

Also, I agree that Bush and Cheney must go, but they are leaving anyway, as are most of their cronies. It's not important to me that they go away severely punished, as long they go away.

While I admire your passion, your wrath of God jeremiads are giving me the creeps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 05/18/2008

I actually think that at some point, politicians who are as criminal as W and Darth Cheney need to be publically punlished and humiliated in front of the whole nation. The motive isn't punishment per se, rather, to provide a deterrent to reckless criminality for potenital future leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 05/18/2008
- Northlite I'm a Fan of Northlite 8 fans permalink

Recent polls revealed that only 39 percent of Americans regard her as "honest and trustworthy," down from 52 percent in May 2006.

The more Hillary and her supporters feel "entitled" to the Presidency, or the Vice Presidency, or "Respect", which no other candidate is entitled to, the lower her reputation goes with the majority of Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 05/18/2008
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No to mention that her negative ratings are over 50%. Don't get me wrong both Democrats would win but Hillary is a much bigger risk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 05/18/2008
- gregjones I'm a Fan of gregjones 16 fans permalink
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When Barack Obama announced his candidacy in Jan of 2007 most people, particularly Blacks, didn't even know how to pronounce his name let alone support him. I had followed Obama since his speech in 2004 at the Dem Convention and was particularly inspired by his stance against the Iraq War....a move that could have been political suicide. I started our grassroots organization www.Blacks4Barack.org in hopes of inspiring and invigorating support for Obama, particularly in the Black community at a time when Hillary had 82% of the black support. Keep in mind...bla­ck folks LOVED Bill Clinton (the first black pres.) But as folks (of all races) learned more about Obama...th­e more they were inspired. While the more we learned about Hillary...­.there was more, not only disappointment but actual hurt due to her and Bill's racist overtones. Because of her own actions, Hillary has lost the black vote....fo­rever. And whereas the media acts like all blacks are for Obama just because he's black....t­hat is absolutle incorrect. Fact is, all blacks were for Hillary at first ! But now the black community feels like the Clintons have slapped them in the face....an­d in the heart....a­nd that may never be forgivable.

Greg Jones
www.Blacks4Barack.org
A Multi-Racial, Grassroots Org...Dedi­cated To Truth !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 05/18/2008
- tenilla I'm a Fan of tenilla 6 fans permalink

I am so sick to death of Hillary supporters blaming everyone but Hillary Clinton for her failure.

In an interview late last year, Michelle Obama was asked why her husband was not polling
well with black voters. If both Bill and Hillary Clinton had not played the race card so blatantly
and so shamelessly, she might not have lost the black vote and she might be the Democratic
nominee today.

For the record, I am not black -- but one reason I am a Democratic is because of the party's
civil rights record. I am a woman who should be in Hillary's demographic, but I could never
vote for her after what I have witnessed from her campaign since January.

Some pundit who knew Richard Nixon remarked last week that even he would never have
made the "hard working white people" remark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 05/18/2008
- azyuwish I'm a Fan of azyuwish 15 fans permalink
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I am a ditto to you Tenilla.

I am same demographic and you and agree with you and your points.

Amen to all you've said here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 05/18/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 3 fans permalink

You make some interesting points, gregjones. Many of the pundits seem to have forgotten that when the primary contests started, Hillary was getting the lion's share of the AA vote.

Any support Obama has, he has EARNED by his words and actions.

I am a middle aged white woman and a lifelong Democrat. I have never been a particular fan of the Clintons and knew nothing about Barack Obama, so I was skeptical about both candidates in the beginning. At best, I hoped to learn which one was the least objectionable and support them as being a far better alternative than Bush. But something happened ------- the more I learned about Obama, the more I became convinced that he really was a candidate for much needed change and one that would work for all of our interests.

I sincerely hope that everyone will look beyond demographics and identity politics. Voting FOR Obama because he is AA is just the same as voting AGAINST Clinton because she is white. Likewise, voting FOR Clinton because she is a woman or white is just the same as voting AGAINST Obama because he is a man or AA. Both are equally irresponsible and reprehensible. Learn about both candidates and give your support to the one you feel will be the best leader. Race, gender and ethnicity are not, never have been, and never will be prerequisites for honestly, and leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 05/18/2008
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