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SARA KUGLER | May 17, 2008 05:42 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., reacts after dipping a bottle of whiskey into red wax at Maker's Mark Distillery in Loretto, Ky. Saturday, May 17, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

LORETTO, Ky. — The day of campaigning had barely begun and Hillary Rodham Clinton was already eyeing the whiskey.

The Democrat wasn't drowning her sorrows, she was touring Kentucky's Maker's Mark distillery as she soldiers on despite a difficult week. Her opponent, Barack Obama, continues to draw more Democratic forces into his camp and has largely ignored her while tussling with certain Republican nominee John McCain in a general election-style dispute over foreign policy.

But Clinton is acting as though the nomination is still within her grasp, beginning a multi-day swing through Kentucky on Saturday with a tour of the famous distillery in Loretto, where its first bottle of bourbon whiskey was created in the 1950s. Perhaps she is hoping for a replay in Kentucky of the election boost her much-publicized shot of whiskey gave her last month in Pennsylvania, where she won the primary.

This time around, Clinton put on gloves and safety goggles and joined the assembly line to dip a bottle of whiskey in Maker's trademark red wax coating, saving the drinking for later.

"There are some people who have been saying for months that this is over, and every time they say it, the voters come back and say, 'Oh no it's not, we're not ready for it to be over,'" Clinton told supporters as she stood on a stage in front of a stack of whiskey barrels.

"You don't quit on people and you don't quit until you finish what you started, and you don't quit on America."

Clinton began her day in Kentucky on just a few hours of sleep following a redeye flight from Portland that landed at 5 a.m. She boarded the flight after a day of campaigning in Oregon, which votes Tuesday along with Kentucky. Known for her ability to catch up on cat-nap sleep just about anywhere, Clinton rarely seems as exhausted as she must be, although sometimes it shows.

As she began to sign her name on the wall at a cannoli bakery in Salem, Ore., on Friday, Clinton paused for a moment with her black marker in the air and turned toward the press crowded around her to ask what day it was.

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Later that evening, during a televised town hall meeting in Portland, she was asked to describe the high and low points of the campaign.

The best times, she said, are whenever her daughter Chelsea joins her on the trail. The low point, she said, "is just being sleep-deprived and trying to get to more places than there are hours in the day to possibly cover."

"But every day something happens that really convinces me how important this is, and energizes me," she added.

Clinton is hoping for a big win in Kentucky, and plans to campaign here every day until the primary. The state's demographics resemble neighboring West Virginia, which gave her a much-needed victory last week.

Both states are overwhelmingly white, rural and have more residents below the poverty line and without college degrees than the national average _ the kind of working-class voters that have helped boost Clinton to victory in other states.

But Obama is favored to win Oregon, where 52 delegates are at state _ one more than Kentucky. Obama already enjoys a delegate advantage that makes it mathematically unlikely for Clinton to overtake him in the primaries, and that advantage continues to widen. Her campaign instead hopes to win over the influential party leaders and elected officials known as superdelegates with the argument that she would be the better Democrat to face McCain in November.

At another stop in Kentucky on Saturday, Clinton targeted McCain for promoting an economic agenda that she said would be "nothing less than four more years of George Bush economics."

Clinton told a few hundred people gathered in a gymnasium at Kentucky State University in Frankfort that McCain puts special interests first and middle class families last.

The Republican National Committee retorted that Clinton was launching a "desperate" attack and would subject the country to higher taxes and spending.

It has been harder in recent days for Clinton to portray herself as McCain's natural opponent. She was left to essentially watch from the sidelines as Obama and McCain engaged in a spat this week over how the United States should treat the leaders of rogue nations, giving the sense that a general election battle is already beginning to take shape between the two candidates.

And lately, instead of criticizing her Democratic opponent, she's taken aim at the media and the political pundits who are counting her out.

Clinton dismisses them in a new television ad airing in Oregon. The spot features clips of political pundits as an announcer says: "In Washington, they talk about who's up and who's down. In Oregon, we care about what's right and what's wrong."

And in her remarks in Kentucky on Saturday, she portrayed pundits and the media as out of touch elitists who have jobs and health care, and no idea what it's like to worry about making ends meet.

"They're not the people I'm running to be a champion for _ I'm running to be a champion for all of you," Clinton said.

She is still drawing crowds at her campaign events, but they are less raucous, and some of supporters admit they are concerned. Many remain upbeat, but are more reflective about the state of the primary race, which ends June 3 with contests in Montana and South Dakota.

As Clinton wrapped up a speech on the porch of a farmhouse in Bath, S.D., one day this week, 85-year-old Roy Heintzman said as he walked away: "I hope she's got an ace up her sleeve. She's going to need it."

LORETTO, Ky. — The day of campaigning had barely begun and Hillary Rodham Clinton was already eyeing the whiskey. The Democrat wasn't drowning her sorrows, she was touring Kentucky's Maker's Ma...
LORETTO, Ky. — The day of campaigning had barely begun and Hillary Rodham Clinton was already eyeing the whiskey. The Democrat wasn't drowning her sorrows, she was touring Kentucky's Maker's Ma...
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- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

Dear Hillary,
You quit on America when you voted for the war. You can count Fl and Michigan as much as you want, but, you didn't win them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 05/18/2008
- RFBorjal I'm a Fan of RFBorjal 5 fans permalink

It looks like Hillary has been harping about this "elitists vs. blue collar workers" theme lately. Is she trying to foment a class war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 05/18/2008
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But...you ARE finished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 05/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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marco34la
As John Edwards berrated him:
" you didn't even show up to vote barack. it's easy to try to play things safe for political reasons, but people elected you to face tough decisions. and the voters have the right to see where you stand."

Well, we can see where John Edwards stands. He just endorsed Barack Obama.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 05/18/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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What a strange thing to say--Edwards didn't exactly make a tough decision about who to endorse, until about 3 days ago. He himself seemed to be 'playing it safe for political reasons', until he was pretty sure Obama would be the nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 05/18/2008
- KennyFox I'm a Fan of KennyFox 5 fans permalink
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You dont quit until you finish what you started. Yup...just what we need, another Bush in the WH. Imagine HC attacking Iran for some ghost nukes because Israel said the country was just weeks away from the Islamofascist A Bomb (that would be the M-bomb, for Mohammed or Mullah Bomb)...her response, like Ws and McCain's on Iraq, would be -- we gotta keep goign on, I can smell the victory. I can smell the freedom....fries...and theys bea burnin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 05/18/2008

I don't agree with that statemtent KennyFox. I teach my kids to finish what they start all the time. Doesn't matter if they achieve their goal or not but the fact is that they give it their best shot if it is something they felt initially was important. I can't equate Hillary's decision to finish her run for the White House to George Bush's mismanagement of the WH no matter how I spin it.

I am an Obama supporter, I want him to be President and I actively participate in the process to try to get him elected. I happen to be AA and a woman. I was deeply concerned with some of the decisions and statements made under Clinton's administration during this race but . . . I feel she is right on her position to finish this. This race is important on several fronts. It is historical, as the first viable woman to reach for the position of President of the US, and the drive to finish what she starts is embedded in her dna. She should finish the race as long as she does not attempt to push negative attacks against what seems to be our presumptive nominee.

Go Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 05/18/2008
- RDixon I'm a Fan of RDixon 5 fans permalink

Dear Hillary;

White House.

Not yours.

K Thx Bye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 05/18/2008
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ha ha ha ha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 05/18/2008
- Northlite I'm a Fan of Northlite 8 fans permalink

I started out supporting Hillary and donated repeatedly to her campaign for just about a year. I consider myself a strong feminist.

Now she is just being selfish and destructive of the Democratic Party. First it was all the racist comments from her, Bill and her surrogates. Then it was all the divisive class issues. Now its divisive gender stuff. She is a wedge politician who will divide us and pit us against each other for her own political gain-- that is why I stopped supporting her.

Her supporters keep bringing up the nutcrackers, sexist t-shirts, and "Do my laundry" even though not one of these gross attacks came from Obama or anyone associated with his campaign. In fact, these ugly attacks on Hillary mostly came from Republicans. Everyone knows that. So why do Clinton supporters continue to blame Obama and his supporters? It seems to me its just a blame game rather than accepting responsibility for a mismanaged campaign or a less attractive candidate.

Now her selfishness and the self-righteousness of her supporters just disgusts me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 05/18/2008
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Good post. I also love that she is selling autographed boxing gloves. She tried to use the feminist card early and often. Face it most Democratic voters are women by a wide margin. If she was seen as the best person for the job no one could have beat her in this election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 05/18/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 128 fans permalink
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McClone says Obama doesn't have the foreign policy experience to keep us safe.

McClone didn't seem to have a problem with Bush's lack of foreign policy experience in 2000.

McClone's constant hypocricy will just be another nail...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 05/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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"You Don't Quit Until You Finish What You Started"

WHAT ? Bullshit! For the overwhelming majority of candidates who run for their party's nomination, QUITTING IS FINISHING WHAT YOU'VE STARTED! Somebody should ask Rodham if Christopher Dodd or Dennis Kucinich should still be running? How about Biden, Richardson and Edwards? Should they have finished what they started?

No. All of the worthy candidates - on both sides of the aisle - FINISH what they've started BY QUITTING THE RACE !!!

The reason that Rodham has lost the nomination is because she has never really run for the nomination. She has always been running for the general election - because she always thought that SHE WAS ENTITLED TO THE NOMINATION! Somebody, anybody, should tug on her tunic and tell her she's not in the general election.

After you've accepted your party's nomination * THEN * you don't quit what you've started. When you're running in the general election * THEN * you don't quit what you've started.

But when the numbers tell you that you've already effectively been eliminated, you DO quit what you've started. When your opponent's lead is insurmountable, you DO quit what you've started. When the money in your campaign has dried up for lack of support, the light bulb should go off in your head and tell you that you SHOULD quit what you've started.

Get the difference, Rodham? In the general election, you DON'T quit what you've started.

But In the nominating process, you DO quit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 05/18/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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I feel your frustration. But its ok because what goes around comes around... but one thing that wont be coming around is Hillary's Senate seat.

There is TOOOO much footage, out there, that will come back to haunt her. While running for the presidency, she became a very divisive candidate; and for that reason, she will not get re-elected to her Senate seat.

She did her own self in. What a shame!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 05/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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I suspect that her Senate seat was never really intended to be anything but a stepping stone to the Oval Office. Now that the presidency has been irretrievably lost to her, she'll have no use for the Senate seat and won't run again.

I think her short career in public service is over.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 05/18/2008
- CTmom13 I'm a Fan of CTmom13 9 fans permalink

Someday soon, when Hillary Clinton exits the Democratic presidential race, Barack Obama will walk onstage and praise her and her husband to the heavens. Publicly, Obama can afford to be magnanimous. But it's a good bet the private Obama feels the way a lot of his supporters do: like sending Ken Starr a fan note. For many Obama activists, Clinton's brass-knuckles campaign confirmed everything they had always suspected about Hillary and her husband: that they're cynical and ruthless, the detritus of an era in which Democrats sold out their ideals to get elected. Obama's backers generally feel about the Clintons the way Reaganites felt about Gerald Ford and the way beer aficionados feel about Bud Light: that by compromising core principles, they watered down the brand.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1806811,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 05/18/2008
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The truth is that Obama treated Clinton with kit gloves. You can just see the difference in his passion in going against McBush. He treated Clinton with respect at every turn. Sure he and his campaign sent out negative mailers about Clinton but even those were minor compared to Clinton's onslaught of negative attacks. The fact is Obama's campaign never got personal while Clinton had no problem saying he was worse than McCain and pouncing on the bitter comments and Wright controversy. Time after time especially in the last debate he could have attacked Clinton's personal ethics but he refrained from such petty politics. That's why even counting obviously bias Hillary supporters they saw her as being more unfairly negative against him by a consistent margin of about 20 points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 05/18/2008

Hillary also said after the Penn primary to MSM referring to Obama that it was Personal. God I could not believe she said that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 05/18/2008
- kallisti7 I'm a Fan of kallisti7 5 fans permalink

Ya know why I don't like HRC? I don't trust her. Politicians like her who are so adept at compromising with Republicans don't strike me as centrist, but spineless. I don't trust her to do what's right (her Iraq war vote, etc.), I trust her to make sure she always has a seat at the power-sharing table. Oh, and everybody knock off this identity politics BS, it's ugly. Your Freudian slip is showing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 AM on 05/18/2008
- katzooks I'm a Fan of katzooks 8 fans permalink

A nitpick: I'm a bit weary of seeing Hillary's face, blaring for months now, from the top of nearly every media website's home page, (as seen here, this morning, on the Huff post), even as Obama IS the presumptive Democratic nominee. Mea culpa if this is my imagination. Anyway, I hear tale there are some photos of Obama circulating the net.

Here are some cool ones from a 2006 Time magazine photo essay. Love the ones with his girls. Sometimes a picture is, indeed, worth a thousand words.

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/2006/obama/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 05/18/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

Hillary, if you've got ANY class, now's the time to show it. Set an example for future female prez candidates to emulate, not scorn.

Edwards for SCOTUS. Hagel for VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 AM on 05/18/2008
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A little off topic but I want to see if people shared the same experience that I did after the 2000 and especially 2004 elections. First off after Bush stole the election my wife literally cried and told me Bush was going to be the worst president in history and we are headed for war in Iraq. I was definitely upset about Bush stealing the election but I did not see things as being that bad. My wife has a bit of a Casandra complex where she can read when really bad things are coming. She's a psychologist so she obviously saw W's inferiority complex regarding papa Bush so her feelings were more based in science that mysticism. Obviously when Bush gave up the worse terrorist attack under his watch all this came to pass. Talk about depression. In the '80s I used to work in Newark, NJ and every day in my ride in I saw the twin towers and their were something about them that made me feel good even though that was a very tough time in my life. I moved down south in the early '90s and have not been back to NYC since 1998.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 05/18/2008
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I'm an Obama supporter but what gets me through in this Red State is sites like HuffPo and DailyKOS. Trolls and Hillary supporters may cry foul but I like MSNBC taking a progressive stance. Since the advent of Faux News the MSM needed balance.

Just some thoughts from Blue in a Red State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 05/18/2008
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I first lived in FL and then moved to a town outside of Atlanta and when the 2004 election rolled around I hoped against hope that Kerry would get elected but Rovian politics scared the country into getting Bush reelected. This had to be one of the low points in my life. Believe me that's saying something because I survived Hodgkin's Disease in 1995 through radiation and chemo only to barely survive heart failure where I was in the hospital for 2 months in 2005 because of the effects of a chemo drug. I am still disabled waiting for SS but again I digress. The real point I am trying to make is that I really thought my wife and I were the only sane people in America. I had a few friends at work that were disgusted with Bush too but back then the Republicans seemed to out number rational people by about 5 to 1. In 2004 I decided to get a weekend subscription to the NYT mostly because it gave you a free subscription to the NYT opinion columnists on the web at the time. Most of the NYT columnists and other great columnists like Eugene Robinson in the Washington Post helped keep my sanity. There is no worse feeling than feeling like you are one of the few sane people in an insane country.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 05/18/2008
- CTmom13 I'm a Fan of CTmom13 9 fans permalink

Who's Vince Foster?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 05/18/2008
- StephenJK I'm a Fan of StephenJK 25 fans permalink
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Vince Foster - a longtime friend and cohort lawyer of the Clinton's until he committed suicide in the mid 90's. He had problems with depression and the right wing knew of his mental fraility. They pounded him along with the Clinton's which eventually led him to shoot himself in the head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 05/18/2008

He "committed suicide" in a park, sitting against a tree. Before she went out there, he told his office that he will be back. A rumor that he was killed by the Clintons' people because he knew too much of the Whitewater scandal in Arkansas that was under investigation then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 05/18/2008

Sorry, misspelled "HE" (for Foster), not "SHE went out there"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 05/18/2008
- Marrigan I'm a Fan of Marrigan 3 fans permalink

CTmom, when it comes to posting on forums like this, it's always a good idea to do your own research when you have a question about someone or something. The responses here to your question are pathetic and agenda-driven. Foster's relationship with Hillary was, ummm, errr, complex, going back to their days in Arkansas at the Rose Law Firm, (see Webster Hubbell as well) and he was all tied up with the congressional investigation over Hillary's billing records. For some people, Foster's death will always be a sad footnote in Clinton's legacy, while for others, it is remembered as part of a larger conspiracy (see Harold Ickes, Maggie Williams and cleaning out Foster's office). For conspiracy buffs, Foster's death was no suicide and merely an extension of the "Arkansas mafia's" willingness to protect the Clintons at all costs. Who knows the truth? Just do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 05/18/2008
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