How Oregon Could Help Obama Defy "White Working Class" Problem

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First Posted: 05-19-08 04:45 PM   |   Updated: 05-27-08 05:12 AM

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The popular refrain within political circles is that Tuesday's Democratic primaries in Kentucky and Oregon will provide yet another demonstration of Sen. Barack Obama troubles among working class white voters. The Illinois Democrat, after all, is staring down a major loss in the former and a comfortable win in the latter.

It's an incomplete if not misleading analysis. If anything, socioeconomic statistics show that Oregon, as much as Kentucky and perhaps even more so than Ohio, is a state comprised of the white, middle-to-low income individuals who work in a struggling but still important manufacturing sector. Indeed, if the Senator were to win in the Beaver State on Tuesday - and all signs point to a victory - much of it will be on the backs of the very voters whom pundits believe have written him off.

The population of Oregon, according to census estimates is roughly 3.7 million, 90 percent of who are white and 1.9 percent of who are black. Eighteen percent of all jobs are manufacturing, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the median household income in 2004 was $42,568.

Compare those numbers to Ohio, the rust belt state where Obama's failure to connect with white working class voters emerged as a popular campaign theme. There are, according to census estimates, 11.4 million people in Ohio, 85 percent of who are white and 12 percent of who are black - much less homogeneous than Oregon. Slightly less than 15 percent of the states jobs are manufacturing (less than Oregon) and the average median household income is $43,371 (more than Oregon). Kentucky, where Sen. Hillary Clinton is likely to have a major victory on Tuesday, is quite similar. The Bluegrass state has an estimated population of 4.2 million, 90 percent of who are white and 7.5 percent of who are black - again less homogeneous than Oregon. Less than 17 percent of the jobs are manufacturing and the median household income in 2004 was $37,000.

So why, if Obama is supposedly having such troubles among the white working class - as evidenced by his defeat in Ohio and impending loss in Kentucky - is he slated to do so well among those voters in Oregon? Perhaps it's because the Senator's problems are far more geographic than socioeconomic.

"Oregon is a state where race has not been an animating factor of political campaigns in the past. It has not been an issue since the 1860s, and it is not going to matter to people in the current election," said Joseph Lowndes, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Oregon and author of "From the New Deal to the New Right: Race and the Southern Origins of Modern Conservatism. "Lunch-pale, white Democrats have become the signifier for journalists and it has been overused. Because as Oregon shows it doesn't matter."

Indeed, it is Oregon's political history, more than its population dynamics, which offers a friendly turf for the Obama campaign. The state, according to local officials, is filled with progressives and reformers -- inheritors, so to speak, of the counter-culture migrants who first came there. The political culture is hardly top-down. There is less Democratic Party machinery as compared to, say, Pennsylvania. Moreover, the I-5 corridor, as it is known, connects three relative urban areas that favor Democrats: Portland, Eugene and Salem. Meanwhile the eastern part of the state, traditionally conservative, has trended recently away from the GOP.

"[DNC Chairman] Howard Dean had a 50 state strategy and for Oregon that was a 36 county strategy," said Marc Siegal, a spokesperson for the state's Democratic Party. "We've been able to make inroads. And I think it is a fortunate confluence of the 36 county strategy, along with candidates who are inspiring voters in all parts of the state."

All of which is not to suggest that there isn't already a firm infrastructure of Democratic support within the state. Unlike Ohio or Kentucky, the state went for Sen. John Kerry in 2004. In fact, Oregonians have not voted for a Republican since Reagan in 1984. Since January, moreover, more than 110,000 people have registered as Democrats, roughly half of them new voters, the other half party switchers.

Obama is likely to win handily with the help of these individuals. But his potential victory in the state could also demonstrate that his candidacy, on some level, is having fewer problems with the white working class than conventional wisdom suggests.

"The people of Oregon are extremely progressive, and so Barack's message of change is resonating," said Nick Shapiro, the Senator's communications director in the state. "And also, the farther you go from Washington D.C. the more you want to change Washington D.C."

The popular refrain within political circles is that Tuesday's Democratic primaries in Kentucky and Oregon will provide yet another demonstration of Sen. Barack Obama troubles among working class whit...
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- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Obama has tons of support from white working-class people.

I stood in a line in freezing rain on a dark night on Super Tuesday to caucus for Obama, in Kansas. The turnout was many times normal. The crowd was 99% white. The result was Obama 74%.

It does not get any more working-class, rural and white than Kansas. It's not so well-educated, either. What Kansas does not share with Appalachia is the degree of racism in Appalachia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 05/20/2008

Of course. Why is anyone surprised the Clinton--and the MSM--have either gotten this wrong or, more likely, deliberately tried to mislead America into believing we're more racist than we are?

Sexism and racism are still significant problems, but when Clinton and the media make out like West Virginia represents America, it's just flat out lies. There is absolutely no reason--de­mographica­lly, politically, historically, logically--to buy such blatant attempts to deceive.

Americans, especially the younger generation, are exhausted by Washington's same old same old attitude, so they're sending them home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 05/20/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 45 fans permalink
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I've been curious about this "white working class" stuff. I went door to door in Pa for Obama and found people who were definitley working class and definitely for Obama. Generally the Hillary supporters were elderly white retirees who gave the impression they were going to vote for McCain even if their favorite at the time was Hillary. It is unfortunate that there is still racism in this country and you'll see how it plays itself out as the Republicans are not above using fear and have used it already. After 8 years of this corrupt party I hope the country has more saense than to buy Republican lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 05/20/2008
- WasteNJ I'm a Fan of WasteNJ 28 fans permalink
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"After 8 years of this corrupt party I hope the country has more saense than to buy Republican lies"

I said the same thing 4 years ago.... But I think you're right this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 05/20/2008
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 19 fans permalink
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All of this race stuff and code talk are the results of a losing candidate and over analyzing by poitical pundits. Why? HRC should have been asked and more so taken it upon herself to get out of the campaign when all real hopes of winning were taken by the Obama campaign. HRC could have helped/assisted the Obama campaign with bringing in all DNC voters instead of splitting them. I don't think history will be as kind to the Clintons as they may have deserved by ruining their body of work these days. One unique result of this election process (with a person of color and a woman running) is that there is a forgotten America out there and a lot of it resides in PA, OH, WV, KY, LA, MS to name a few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 05/20/2008
- lhaz I'm a Fan of lhaz 2 fans permalink

You forgot to mention that Oregon has a higher percentage of college grads than national average. Only 25% of Americans over the age of 25 have a Bachelor's or higher. It's the other 75% that he needs and they can see right through him. They may not be educated formally but they live in the real working world and will not vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/20/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

"see right through him" bwahahahahaha

but they don't see through Hillary?

you make no sense

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 05/20/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Hillary gets the same people who still believe the U.S. attacked Iraq because Saddam had something to do with 9/11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 05/20/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

I'll hope that the educated people will lead this country out of the Bush years, not the uneducated ones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 05/20/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

"see right through him"

What they see is the color of his skin, and they don't look any farther.

I'd bet none of them could tell you anything about his positions or his plans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 05/20/2008
- WasteNJ I'm a Fan of WasteNJ 28 fans permalink
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You nailed it.
I've seen racist people asked what they think about Obama and it's always some declaration like "I don't trust him", and when and if you ask the follow up question you get the true answer, "he's one of them", "we've had trouble with THEM", "I've had enough of Husseins", "he's a muslim"... these are quotes from WV voters.
A good racist always has a legitimate sounding excuse to disguise their true beliefs, lest they be exposed to the light of day. I am not making this up. Luckily, they won't matter in Nov.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 05/20/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

They see the color of his skin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 05/20/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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And, here I am. A 48yr old highschool dropout (blew the roof off the GED, however), with a penchant for reading, especially history. Who decided before the primary even began, 'Anybody but the Clintons.' Why? Because I remember what they did to people like me, when they were in power.

I give less than a damn, that she is a woman, as far as I'm concerned that only makes her actions, worse.

I wouldn't brag about that (debatable) '75%', were I you. These are the very same 'types' of voters that delivered GWBushbaby unto the world....T­wice. Frankly, I think they should 'renounce' and 'reject' voting, forever. One election at a time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 05/20/2008

I think at the time we all hoped that Cheney/Rumsfeld et al would be a positive influence on GW who basically has a good heart unlike either Gore or Kerry (in my opinion.) OK, so things could have worked out better. I sure hope Obama does better at selecting his inner circle. However, if he starts looking to schumer, bloomberg, reid, pelosi, DEAN or Wright (to mention a few) for counsel, we are in for a deep world of !hit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/20/2008

This means that every individual is different. Every individual has the ability to make up their own mind. A more telling statistic is the number of the "White Working Class" educated people Vs. uneducated or undereducated people. The uneducated and undereducated people are the one's who have a problem with Obama. They were interviewing a woman on CNN who says she is leery of Obama. When asked to elaborate she had nothing. Another woman was outraged that Hillary was running. According to her the bible says that the womans place is at home. My wife at that point asked an interesting question, what is this woman doing outside her home talking to reporters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 05/20/2008
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 19 fans permalink
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You have a point, but if more people would listen to their "gut" and less to their emotions we'd all make better decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 05/20/2008
- Gabrielle I'm a Fan of Gabrielle 17 fans permalink
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NO WHITE WORKING CLASS PROBLEM!!!

ONLY RACIST UNEDUCATED IGNORANT WHITE FOLKS NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA, PREFERING THE END OF AMERICA BY VOTING FOR REPUGS LIKE HILLARY(in democrats clothings) AND MC CAIN.

INTELLIGENT EDUCATED WHITE WORKING FOLKS ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA...EV­EN OLD FEMALE ONES ...LIKE ME.

HAHAHA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 05/20/2008

caps lock = flagged

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 05/20/2008

Bless you sweetheart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 05/20/2008

I visited the states of Washington and Oregon in the 1980s. I felt safe. No one called me a nigger. No one glared at me with hostility like I had no right to eat in any given restaurant. In Seattle, I was shocked to see all the interracial couples. I was further stunned when a nice looking, well-spoken white guy asked me out on a date. and returned to DC telling everyone that the good racial relations in the Pacific Northwest was the best kept secret in the media.

My experiences in West Virginia have been vastly different. Last summer I took my kids camping. We couldn't make it from the car to the Wal-Mart entrance without being called niggers. While many people were civil or friendly, many were not. We didn't feel SAFE. Still, I care about them because they are Americans and people too, and just need a little more time to grow beyond their Dixie cultural heritage. 26% already has - they were color-blind enough to vote for a black man in the Democratic primaries. This is progress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 05/20/2008

Really sorry for your bad experiences. I'd like to think we're beyond just 26% but pls remember, it's not all about race. Alot of people just flat don't like his policies and that's their right. I'm afraid the hard core racists will simply have to die out but that applies to all racism - not just black/white.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 05/20/2008

I'd like to think that what you say is true but I've seen too much over the years to believe that man kind has any such redeeming quality in itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 05/20/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

"simply die out"

I've noticed the people that have been interviewed on TV who say they think Obama is a Muslim or don't like him because he's black, are all older.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 05/20/2008

This kind of mentality exists in areas where the demographic has a lot more educated people. Knowledge is a powerful tool that will often times open a person's mind to see the broader picture. Why do you think republican talk show hosts spend so much time bashing universities, professors and teachers? The idea is to keep the status quo. The demographic must not change. More education will mean more questions and a more open minded approach to things. Cannot have that if you are a Republican. They need the public to be dumb enough to follow their war mongering stance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 05/20/2008

I agree in large part. But it's disingenuous to say republicans prefer ignorance of the masses. Problem is that most news organizations and education institutions are admittedly liberal biased and we find that objectionable. I don't like being indoctrinated by a constant barage of silly MSNBC rants and I don't want my son to have to sort through all kinds of liberal tripe when he's supposed to be learning fact-based science/en­gineering. Knowledge is the enemy of both left and right wing nut jobs - thank God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/20/2008
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 19 fans permalink
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I will not argue with your point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 05/20/2008
- mnash I'm a Fan of mnash 3 fans permalink

Perhaps no one taught these people respect. It is sad that people live in the past and can't see the future. It doesn't matter if people are rich, poor, black, white, or whatever, these are the people who make this great country what it is. Before people speak, they should think how they would feel if it were them. I am a 64 year old white woman and I will vote for that black 46 year man because I want to believe and I want hope in my life. Everybody makes their own choices in their lives and should be not shunned because of the choices they make.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/20/2008

Lets take these same people in WV and move them up in class therefore they to can hear us calling them STINKING WHITE TRASH, TRAILER TRASH, WHITE SCUM...you get the picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 05/20/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

White people vote for Hillary? Hillary made that up, from a couple of exit polls in racist parts of the country which are few.

Another Hillary lie: that she has won more electoral votes than Obama.

NOBODY HAS WON ANY ELECTORAL VOTES

Her argument about electoral votes presumes no person who voted for Hillary in the primary will vote for Obama in the general election. We know that is a falsehood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 05/20/2008
- vsign I'm a Fan of vsign 33 fans permalink

I don't trust wealthy image conscious elites. I don't think AA's should either. Work is what we have in common with one another. Hillary is getting more of the working people's vote. I don't prefer generalizations. However they tell us that each group should not be ignored. We are all Democrats. My vote has been ignored by Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 05/20/2008
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

AAs will choose who they trust, thank you very much, and I don't trust someone who tells me who I should trust, or what we have in common. Hillary herself has clarified that she's getting the "white" working people's vote, which insults every working person who exercises their freedom to choose by voting for Obama, black, white, red, yellow, blue alike. If you don't like generalizations, and you don't think that groups should be ignored, then you should tell Hillary that she should not ignore AAs, brushing them off and touting her "winning coalition" of "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans.­"

We are all Democrats. But in the process of choosing a candidate, we as adults should realize that sometimes our personal choice will not be the first choice. This first selection process was about narrowing down the candidates to one, which means that *someone* was going to lose. Your vote was not ignored. You were just outvoted by the majority of your party.

As a Democrat, you should expect this to happen sometimes. You will not always be "the winner" when it comes to trying to make decisions affecting a majority. A Democrat's job is to take part in the selection process, and if they get their first pick, great, if not, oh well, there's always next time. But do not forget that this is all about one thing:

Pitting a Democrat against the Republican candidate and winning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 05/20/2008
- vsign I'm a Fan of vsign 33 fans permalink

Obama and his supporters have consistently ignored and disenfranchised many voters. VOTERS should rule in a democracy. Hillary has the majority of votes.

Ignore us at your peril. Obama will not win the General and all the MSM and Huffpo and AA intimidation will not change that.

Obama has not won the Democratic nomination either. He is the King of censorship and propaganda. But he has not won the nomination. Winning happens in Denver in late August. Votes of the delegates happens then and not until then. Delegates can endorse all they want but votes will not be counted until then. If you choose to believe the Obama propaganda, you will find out differently with time.

If Hillary does not win the Democratic nomination, the party will be committing suicide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 05/20/2008

Where you really planning to vote for him anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 05/20/2008

I am a white working class voter in rural Illinois. Many of the Clinton Supporters have too heavily relied on the information source that they are so critical of, the Main Stream media. Obama hasn't ignored your vote, he has reached out for it and continues to do so. For whatever reason, you voted for the other candidate and that is perfectly acceptable, but he hasn't written you or anyone else off. And before you attack Obama for campaigning very little in WV or KY, realize that Clinton didn't even bother with several caucuses and primaries because those are red states that don't even matter. Your stereotypes of Obama supporters are highly indicative of your lack of information in this Presidential season. Did you read the article above?? You are a victim of blatant lies. I hope you will wake up real soon and really see what is going on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 05/20/2008
- vsign I'm a Fan of vsign 33 fans permalink

I have listened and watched each campaign closely thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/20/2008

What I find interesting is the main stream media's downplay of another major endorsement for Barak Obama on May 19th - Senator Byrd from......­....you guessed it.......W­.Virginia.­...where he got blown out by Hillary Clinton. Why is this endorsement important ?
1) Senator Byrd is the most senior senator in the US Senate and he endorsed Barak...th­e junior
senator from Illinois? What does this say about Hillary's "experience" argument?
2) A former member of the KKK endorsing Barak? Someone who voted against the nominations of both Thurwood Marshall and Clarence Thomas to the United States Supreme Court? Someone who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
Who best should know Barak Obama? Shouldn't it be the well-respected senior members in the Senate? Other people like Senator Ted Kennedy?
President Barak Hussein Obama....G­et used to it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 05/20/2008

I have to agree with you. Particularly since neither Byrd nor Kennedy have much to gain by endorsing since they have all the influence they'll ever need for their political lifetime. My conclusion is that they are proactivly abandoning hillary as much as they are endorsing Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 05/20/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

Only the Clintons and the talking heads on TV are raising this ruse because all they know is racebaiting. They do not understand what is happening in the real world. Here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJOzOZkU2_c&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 05/20/2008

Yes, but isn't it Obama's argument that superdelegates should vote according to the will of their constituents and support the candidate favored by their voters? Will he renounce Byrd's (WV) support because it conflicts with that? Or will he continue to contradict himself further after leveraging the Kennedy (and others) support from MA - a Hillary state?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 05/20/2008

Could it be that Byrd and Kennedy realize they are on the way out, and just want to leave the country in good hands? Maybe! Whatever the reason, they have a lot of clout and I'm glad they have spoken for a man who can unite us and begin helping us to heal our gaping wounds left from 8 years of lack of decent leadership.

George Bush and the Republicans have proven that the only leadership then know is that of the Judas goat that leads the lambs to slaughter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 05/20/2008
- ccmd I'm a Fan of ccmd 18 fans permalink

Video photoshow of Barack Obama's amazing Portland rally...

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Barack_Obama_Portland_Oregon_City_of_Blinding_Lights

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 05/20/2008
- Moose49 I'm a Fan of Moose49 6 fans permalink
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Come on. Everyone knows that "hard-working white working class" people only live in Appalachia, not in the utopian Pacific Northwest which is populated solely by aging hippies, Starbucks-drinking yuppies, and high tech billionaires.

I mean really! How dare you contradict the mainstream media/Hillaryland narrative! What nerve!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 05/20/2008

I'd say it has to do more with the idea of contiguity of "racial-minority": areas vis-a-vis the "racial-majority" population.

For instance, in a state with almost no Mexicans, you will be hard-pressed to find someone that is prejudiced about Mexicans - unless they are trying very hard. It's easier for someone to be tainted by prejudice when they (especially low-income voters) are exposed daily to the crime and dysfunction in marginalized minority communities.

There are whites in/near black-majority cities that are dead-sure that there will be rioting in the streets if Obama is elected. This is no reason for Hillary to seek the nomination in itself, but her ability to see that these groups are reluctant to get behind Obama (who this year are trending Democratic) offers her a reason to go on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 05/20/2008

The media allowed the Clintons' spins to grow by repeating them endlessly. The Clintons' method is boasting about their wins, in states, or group of voters, ignoring Obama's wins, in states or group of voters and then some more. In desperation, the Clintons started to slice voters into big states (she won some with margins around under 10%, he won some with bigger margins of 13-32%) ignoring small and medium states and caucus states Obama won. Then the Clintons don't count caucuse states where Obama won a big majority of them with big margins. When there are no more big states, the Clintons moved to white Americans ignoring Obama's winning of those voters in IO, CO, VT, ME, CT, DE, MO, UT, WY, KS ND, MN, WI. The Clintons then moved to blue collar white Americans, ignoring the similarity of KY and OR.
It seems voterschose Obama to be the winner not only due to his superior campaign with integrity but also they reject the Clintons' divisive, negative and self serving campaign. Voterrs can see through the Clintons' claim that they do this for the people. No, it's for themself only. Hillary had stolen her husband's presidency, now she runs for a third term in her own name to bypass the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 05/20/2008

You have to admit that hillary's camp has been incredibly creative in tortureing the vote/delegate statistics every which way to sell their point. Her political statisticians are really scary. They could probably mount a statistical case for manmade global warming - OPPS - sorry AlGore already hired all those clowns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 05/20/2008
- bentenrai I'm a Fan of bentenrai 3 fans permalink

They obviously calculated wrong. She's not exactly winning. The only way she wins is by changing the rules of the game in the middle of the game. All the candidates were aligned on the same starting line at the begining of the race. Some had more prospective chance at winning the race than others. It's the way they ran the race that made the difference. Clinton chose the wrong racing strategy, and that is why she is behind Obama.
Her decision making, or her "expert statisticians" were flawed, her team was implosive.
Obama is winning fair and square regardless of what HIllary's saying. You can't blame the winner for winning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 05/20/2008

So many comments about how race is such an issue. You don't have to be any particular color to recognize a bag of hot air. Obama is all style (change, change, change) and no substance/no plan/no specifics/no experience. Doesn't matter that he's 1/2 black! He's 100% vacuum. This is KISS politics folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 05/20/2008
- ylpatriot I'm a Fan of ylpatriot 7 fans permalink

Sorry boss.... you are barking up an empty inexperienced poor choice .......goo­d luck ... if he wins this country will struggle another 4 years of big zeros and you will see race race race issues surface as you have never seen before....­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 05/20/2008

I don't have a dog in this race. Just making observations and trying to defend fellow southerners from the widely held view that we're all racists down here. I just haven't heard anything coming out of Obama that I considered actionable - just concepts and platitudes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 05/20/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

Know what? Just because the man has style, doesn't mean he doesn't also have substance.

Witness this fact: the man organized and ran a campaign that BEAT the infamous "unbeatable" Clinton machine, and he did it WITHOUT all the trauma drama of the Clinton camp.

Style is something easily seen. Substance, on the other hand, requires you to put away your biases (blinders) to see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 05/20/2008

Well, the Obama camp would ahve you believe you are a racist if you don't appreciate their emperor's clothes.

I don't look forward to the day that Obama is vanquished in November. If you think the Party is torn now, wait until all the people that wanted Clinton can come back and say "I told you so" w/ all the recrimination that we bitter-types can muster. Might even split the Party in two, handing everything back to the GOP, while many sit on the sidelines pissed b/c the Obama camp feels as though anyone that has expressed reluctance to support Obama is being a racist/sore loster/etc. and that these votes are somehow "owned" by the Obama camp after a Clinton departure.

So far, Obama has offered no compelling reasons for anyone that supported Hillary to come over to his side. I get that it's over for the Clinton's this time - no dispute there, but I see no problem splitting my Dem ticket in November and not voting for him at the top.

These Obama cats are the same group of people that would have voted for Nader in 2000. In fact, Obama's main points (minus the exotic personal narrative) are pretty much a replay of Nader 2000. The kids are just too busy being pied pipered to figure it out, and many of them were 10 years old at the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 05/20/2008

Wrong buddy, I voted for Gore in 2000. Have anymore baseless and unsubstantiated comments for the masses to laugh at??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 05/20/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 119 fans permalink
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How annoying is Mika on Morning Joe? She gives me a f*cking headache.

Terry McAuliffe is one of the most loyal spokesman anyone could ask for, does he realize he will not be getting paid? He's on talking up a "big win" in f*cking May of an election year, where his candidate needs over 300 delegates, and the frontrunner needs less than half of that, with 13 days to go.

WoW! that's all I can say is WoW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 05/20/2008
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Yeah, I say that either the Clintons and McAuliffe are completely delusional, or they simply think they convince people they can win by sounding convinced themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 05/20/2008
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Hillary is now touting that "Karl Rove" says she can beat McCain, are you f*cking kidding me? She referred to it as "surprising support"

Careful Hillary, your GOP is showing again!

Tell me again why Democratic women are fighting for this Republican?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 05/20/2008
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