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The popular refrain within political circles is that Tuesday's Democratic primaries in Kentucky and Oregon will provide yet another demonstration of Sen. Barack Obama troubles among working class white voters. The Illinois Democrat, after all, is staring down a major loss in the former and a comfortable win in the latter.

It's an incomplete if not misleading analysis. If anything, socioeconomic statistics show that Oregon, as much as Kentucky and perhaps even more so than Ohio, is a state comprised of the white, middle-to-low income individuals who work in a struggling but still important manufacturing sector. Indeed, if the Senator were to win in the Beaver State on Tuesday - and all signs point to a victory - much of it will be on the backs of the very voters whom pundits believe have written him off.

The population of Oregon, according to census estimates is roughly 3.7 million, 90 percent of who are white and 1.9 percent of who are black. Eighteen percent of all jobs are manufacturing, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the median household income in 2004 was $42,568.

Compare those numbers to Ohio, the rust belt state where Obama's failure to connect with white working class voters emerged as a popular campaign theme. There are, according to census estimates, 11.4 million people in Ohio, 85 percent of who are white and 12 percent of who are black - much less homogeneous than Oregon. Slightly less than 15 percent of the states jobs are manufacturing (less than Oregon) and the average median household income is $43,371 (more than Oregon). Kentucky, where Sen. Hillary Clinton is likely to have a major victory on Tuesday, is quite similar. The Bluegrass state has an estimated population of 4.2 million, 90 percent of who are white and 7.5 percent of who are black - again less homogeneous than Oregon. Less than 17 percent of the jobs are manufacturing and the median household income in 2004 was $37,000.

So why, if Obama is supposedly having such troubles among the white working class - as evidenced by his defeat in Ohio and impending loss in Kentucky - is he slated to do so well among those voters in Oregon? Perhaps it's because the Senator's problems are far more geographic than socioeconomic.

"Oregon is a state where race has not been an animating factor of political campaigns in the past. It has not been an issue since the 1860s, and it is not going to matter to people in the current election," said Joseph Lowndes, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Oregon and author of "From the New Deal to the New Right: Race and the Southern Origins of Modern Conservatism. "Lunch-pale, white Democrats have become the signifier for journalists and it has been overused. Because as Oregon shows it doesn't matter."

Indeed, it is Oregon's political history, more than its population dynamics, which offers a friendly turf for the Obama campaign. The state, according to local officials, is filled with progressives and reformers -- inheritors, so to speak, of the counter-culture migrants who first came there. The political culture is hardly top-down. There is less Democratic Party machinery as compared to, say, Pennsylvania. Moreover, the I-5 corridor, as it is known, connects three relative urban areas that favor Democrats: Portland, Eugene and Salem. Meanwhile the eastern part of the state, traditionally conservative, has trended recently away from the GOP.

"[DNC Chairman] Howard Dean had a 50 state strategy and for Oregon that was a 36 county strategy," said Marc Siegal, a spokesperson for the state's Democratic Party. "We've been able to make inroads. And I think it is a fortunate confluence of the 36 county strategy, along with candidates who are inspiring voters in all parts of the state."

All of which is not to suggest that there isn't already a firm infrastructure of Democratic support within the state. Unlike Ohio or Kentucky, the state went for Sen. John Kerry in 2004. In fact, Oregonians have not voted for a Republican since Reagan in 1984. Since January, moreover, more than 110,000 people have registered as Democrats, roughly half of them new voters, the other half party switchers.

Obama is likely to win handily with the help of these individuals. But his potential victory in the state could also demonstrate that his candidacy, on some level, is having fewer problems with the white working class than conventional wisdom suggests.

"The people of Oregon are extremely progressive, and so Barack's message of change is resonating," said Nick Shapiro, the Senator's communications director in the state. "And also, the farther you go from Washington D.C. the more you want to change Washington D.C."

The popular refrain within political circles is that Tuesday's Democratic primaries in Kentucky and Oregon will provide yet another demonstration of Sen. Barack Obama troubles among working class whit...
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Honestly, I really think that Obama has blurred the socio-economic lines. He is brilliant, well spoken, very tolerant and poised, yet has shown that he has a pretty good sense of humor as well. All of that said, he is able to speak to Americans of all education and income brackets. He doesn't wear his race on his sleeve, and truthfully, I never think about his race. I simply consider him for what he is-a man who wants to serve his country.

When I heard him speak at the 04 Democratic convention, I said"Who is this man and where did he come from? Why isn't he the nominee for President?" I then said at the end of his speech, "This man will be the next President of the United States." Obviously, I was right so far. I hope it stays that way.

While his election for President would be a huge social milestone, no doubt, I hope his legacy will be that of a great American leader, not the first black president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 05/20/2008
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Another point that seems to be overlooked by the MSM is that Obama does well in states that are growing in population and poorly in states that are declining in population. States like Oregon are destinations for the disaffected heartlanders. By many estimates Oregon will gain a congressional seat after the 2010 census. You will meet very few native Oregonians in Portland. You will meet a lot of people who got the hell out of PA, OH, IN, KY, and the like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 05/20/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 261 fans permalink
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LOL and how true is that?!

these states represent the Future, the Rust Belt represents the Past, and for anyone to say that certain traditional states are the states the Dems MUST have is just ignorance.

Obama is going to REDRAW the electoral map w smart independents and Reps.

And this country is going to change, BIg Time.

I LOVE that Warren Buffett endorsed Big O!

All enlightened capitalists can see the writing on the wall.

it is just the Neanderthals like Bush and MCCain and their slimy ilk that can't see the train that is coming at them.

Their day is done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 AM on 05/20/2008
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Hillary wishes she could draw a crowd of 80,000! Such a stupid argument she makes. "He'd rather give a speech to a large crowd than debate her." Child puhlease - that dog don't hunt. (as Bill would say)

It's sad. Ok, she was giving it her all up to Indiana, I understand, but it's over. It ended when she scraped by in Indy and was defeated 15 points in NC. And now as a mathematical impossibility, she is just downright irritating. Bill blew his cool in South Carolina and has looked a smaller man ever since.

Would someone please get the keys from them? They don't realize the party is over and they are playing the part of the obnoxious, drunk, in-laws that used to be cool but get downright mean after a few too many cocktails. Someone please call security and get them home safely before they hurt themselves and a bunch of other people with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 05/20/2008
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I'll chip in for the cab if you will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 05/20/2008

F'in hilarious.

Best laugh I've had in days, man.

Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 05/20/2008
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No designated driver in that family, for sure!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 AM on 05/20/2008
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I read somewhere that the difference between "middle class" and "working class" was the number of paychecks you were from financial ruin. If you were one paycheck away from financial ruin - you were working class.

Well this dropped us instantly into the "working class" column - though we used to be "middle class."

We were Edwards supporters, but we will both be very comfortable voting for Obama (yes - we would have supported Hillary). I don't understand why - as working class - we are "supposed" to have preferred Hill over Obama though. What am I missing? What criteria are they using to make this distinction?

To me this seems not too different from playing the race, immigration or gender cards.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 05/20/2008
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 31 fans permalink

u hit the nail on the head

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 05/20/2008

I think it's because the 'democrats' in WA and Kentucky, are...unfortunately more prone to believe those "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM! FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE AND YOUR WHITE WOMEN!" email smears. If your state has a Fox "news" copy-cat program on every channel (like those red states) - you might not be as informed as those who come from a progressive state such as Oregon. And since the mass "hard working" white folk in most state are too busy worrying about bills they may not frequent blogs like Huffpo and get some basic information about the candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 05/20/2008

You can't be serious. Progressive Oregon is just a fuit and nut magnet for the folks that didn't fit in SanFran. In any case, the Huffies are murderous against both Hill and BO to say nothing about McCain, GWB, Laura, the kids and the dog. The basic information you refer to is at best oral diarrhea rendered to print. I suggest a strong and continued dose of Rush, Hannity, Beck and, oh yea, Coulter, for balance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 05/20/2008
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I can see that. Thankfully - the big cities - like Chicago - carry their states. Illinois is solidly Blue, but it's because of Chicago and its suburbs - WHERE - large numbers of working-class whites work side by side with working-class blacks. And they ALL work hard.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 05/20/2008
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we have to get really serious about revoking those FCC licenses from the Fox lookalikes after the election.

The far right slant of the media is a serious danger to our democracy, as is the concentration of media in fewer and fewer hands!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 AM on 05/20/2008
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oregon is a very white state. pasty white, in fact. i lived in portland for 25 years. obama will carry multnomah county, the largest population center and home to progressive portland. the rest of the state i'll be surprised if he does well at all.

just an observation from someone who lived and politicked there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 05/20/2008
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Illinois is the same. Massive state with a huge city plunked down in one corner. Chicago and its huge suburban population are enough to overcome the re-PIG-lic vote majority in the southern part of the state. Illinois has been solidly blue for a long time as a result.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 05/20/2008

Course you're saying that all the smart people are city folk and the rest of the state are hayseed dummos. On any level that makes no sense and is highly offensive. Perhaps the city folk are the primary recipients of traditionally democratic Chi town graft?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 05/20/2008
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he will win Washington county too by a huge margin. I phonebanked and canvassed here. Very few Hillary supporters! And south? the polls have shown that he almost does better there than in Multnomah! weird but true......It's gotta be the Obama-Nation Phenomenon!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 05/20/2008
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What happens to this theory if Oregon reflects these latest polls:

The latest pre-primary polls suggest that Hillary Clinton has faint hopes of stalling Barack Obama's march to the Democratic nomination.

The latest polls in Oregon show Clinton within striking distance. Obama leads 45 percent to 41 percent with 8 percent undecided and 6 percent refusing a response, according to a Suffolk University survey released this morning.

An American Research Group survey puts Obama's lead at 50 percent to 45 percent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 05/20/2008
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He needs 16 pledged delegates to have a majority. 50% from Oregon would net him 26. Get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 05/20/2008
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Are you adding in the super dels?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 05/20/2008
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that's what they were saying about NC -- no way for the pollsters to contact the newer younger voters who only have cell phones -- they are polling likes it's 2004...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 05/20/2008
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That was the excuse used to predict he would win Indiana.

He lost Indiana.

And his camp believed he would win Indiana by 5-7 points.

So that means his camp's "cell phone" theory was off by 9-10 points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 05/20/2008
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Forgot to add ... no one believed Hillary would win NC.

No one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 05/20/2008

Polls are meaningless in Oregon. Elections are all vote by mail and most people made up their minds and voted weeks ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 05/20/2008
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Do you suffer poll envy or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 AM on 05/20/2008
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Obama has trouble getting the white vote in racist ( typically ) southern states ... hmmm. I personally know many white folks who tell me they will never vote for a " black man " ... just the facts. I don't think this should come as a surprise to people ... our great country is still a little backwards in some respects.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 05/20/2008
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you know...your post is completely true... and you know, I would someone be upfront with their racism, than try and hide it, while wasting other people's time...

If you are racist and won't vote for the black candidate no matter what, thats your choice... while the rest of the country is moving beyond this racial divide, you will be left behind, wondering what happened to you...

Thats just how I feel...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 05/20/2008
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Yes, it is important to understand history. The Reconstruction and Jim Crow eras continued from the 1860s to the 1960s. Witness the White Citizens Councils, the remnants of which still exist today. See Max Blumenthal's post on Mike Huckabee and the far right: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/mike-huckabees-white-sup_b_82263.html
Huckabee's fictional humor at the NRA meeting this week depicting Barack Obama jumping off a chair with someone pointing a gun at him is code speak to incite a lynching. Talk about radical preachers. No network should allow him to apologize for this comment without further comment as was done on NBC's Meet the Press this week.
But back to Appalachia and Reconstruction. When newly freed black men entered the workplace after the Civil War it was poor whites along the Mason Dixon line that felt most threatened and often were the perpetrators of the grizzly crimes against humanity that blacks suffered. The Southern Tenant Farmers Union, the nation's first integrated union and the precursor of the United Farm Workers, worked to break down those racial tensions, which were kept alive by carpetbaggers who found economic benefit in keeping the poorer classes disorganized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 05/20/2008

Ya know, you might consider that the poor yokels down south have that rare quality called horse sense. I've found that southerners are better at spotting frauds having had so many foisted upon them - like Bill C for example. They aren't quite so blindly idealistic when it comes to extravagent promises like BO's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 05/20/2008
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So that explains why their region is so poor and uneducated? They aren't experts in anything but being jaded and judging others against their own insecurities. Which is why they don't progress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 05/20/2008
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Appalachia. Why are none of the pundits saying this word, Appalachia? Obama is doing very poorly in Appalachia. Did the PC police do away with this term?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 05/20/2008
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This article is pointless. The so-called white working class voters that are up-for-grabs are not just some random workers in a state like Oregon. The ones that we're talking about are those in the industrial northeast/midwest states like PA, OH, IN, WV. This is a different population from the population of OR, so we can't group them together. The fact that he's up in OR does nothing to dispute the fact that he doesn't get and is pretty unlikely to get the working class vote in these crucial states in November. There are big cultural differences between OR and OH, PA, WV, IN, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 05/19/2008
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 31 fans permalink

you have a point... and what is that big cultural difference???

My guess is the west coast seems to have moved on past white only being right... something those places you have mentioned should take a closer look at!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 05/20/2008
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The error in your thinking is that the states you mention are 'crucial". They aren't. You only need PA to win the general election, and Obama has that. Take a look at the polls.

Here's Obama's winning electoral college scenario, which he is winning NOW according to polling, with 274 votes: California (55), New York (31), Pennsylvania (21), Illinois (21), Michigan (17), New Jersey (15), Massachusetts (12), Washington (11), Maryland (10), Minnesota (10), Wisconsin (10), Colorado (9), Oregon (7), Connecticut (7), Iowa (7), Nevada (5), New Mexico (5), Hawaii (4), Maine (4), Rhode Island (4), Delaware (3), DC (3), and Vermont (3).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 05/20/2008
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He'll get Virginia, and may turn Georgia, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho, and N. Carolina too with the right running mate. The turnout in swing states was ridiculous. Indies and Repubs are crossing over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 05/20/2008
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those states are not crucial -that is the old electoral map.

Old thinking.

Things are changing around here. The bus is leaving, better find a seat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 05/20/2008

Heh. Funny. I am a working-class white woman (from Ohio, like the nice lady below) who hates that every comment she posts must begin with a demographic profile, and who supports Barack Obama. And I drink Maxwell House.
Wonder if that Clinton financier who offered the Young Dem superdelegates $1 Million dollars for their votes would buy me a latte? Hmmm....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 05/19/2008
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funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 05/20/2008
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Lol - well, Idisenfranchised 43-year old white female from Tallahassee, Florida. Stupid me, I thought my vote wouldn't count so I didn't go to the polls that day due to work and kids. But if I had, I would have cast my ballot for Obama in a heartbeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 05/20/2008
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regular working class voters in Northern Nevada gave Obama an extra delegate at the state convention, with 55-45 for him. Want to know about the demographics of Washoe County where that support came from?
Per capita income 2006: $28,850.02
Race: White 68.5% Hispanic 20.1% Black 2.2%
The argument that Obama cannot get white votes is specious, he has problems with Appalachian belt white voters who in large part we can thank for 8 years of Bush. I think dem's would do well to ignore those voters who continue to vote against their own economic interests and spend their energy getting new voters, appealing to independents and unhappy republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 05/19/2008
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 31 fans permalink

I agree with you... those Appalachian voter keep voting for the guy who they can go out hunting and have a beer with... thats fine... and while you wallow in misery bc you have no jobs, (all being shipped out for the good of big corporations)... we will all be telling you, if you would only vote for the person trying to help you... you may get up to speed with the rest of the country....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 05/19/2008

I agree, any of these "hard working" whites that vote for McCain need to stop whining about their jobs being shipped over to China and $4.00 /gallon gas. (it was $1.54 in 2000 before W took over) Who do they think got us in this state of affairs?! The status quo repubs).
If you don't vote for someone because of the color of their skin, because they aren't exactly like you or based on groundless rumors (that anyone who cared to could investigate on their own for the truth instead of taking Joe Schmucks word for it) and you choose 4 more years of Bush policies under McSame then you deserve to lose your job. And you can count on even more of them heading out if McCain takes over. But look on the bright side, I guess they don't have to work so hard after that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 05/20/2008

I couldn't agree with you more. There are people in this country who are a lost cause: some of the very people who stand to benefit the MOST from an Obama presidency will vote against him, and against their economic interests, purely because they can. Makes absolutely NO SENSE.

I suppose if they can stomache another 4 years of what we have right now, they should vote for McCain. Smart folks will vote Democrat, doesn't matter if it's Hillary, or Obama.

Things need changin', PERIOD.

Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 05/20/2008
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that is why when we get rid of poverty in this country it will help these people to climb out of their ignorance and start voting in their own interests for a change.

Dumb as rocks, sadly, they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 05/20/2008
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Not to mention my state, Vermont, the second whitest state in the Union (Wyoming is first, last I heard), which went for Barack in a landslide.

It's true. The problem is not demographics. It's history and culture. It's racism. Duh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 05/20/2008
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You miss the point. Those whites that vote for Hillary are "hard" working; those whites that vote for Obama are not. Hillary said so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 05/19/2008
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Thanks - I didn't catch that part. I'll explain it to my husband - he's not going to like it.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 05/20/2008
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I keep wondering where this "working class vote" for Hillary line comes from/ Most working class voters I know are for Obama. In addition, most seniors I know are also in favor of Obama. Strange, I thiink.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 05/19/2008
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Working class white is simply a politically correct way of saying "redneck." That's really what they mean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 05/19/2008
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I agree, it is strange indeed, but I know so-called "rednecks" that are intelligent and only need to talk to someone outside their community to understand a different perspective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 05/20/2008
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The idiot pundits must stop their rant about "white working class" not voting for Obama. Why don't they also ask why "black working class" not voting for Hillary and why "color working class" NEVER votes for the GOP? This stupidity must stop. There is no rule that says one must win all demographics to be the nominee. Barack has won both black and white vote and everything in between. Otherwise he would be leading in all metrics to date. He'll win Oregon by a landslide and declare victory in snow white Iowa, in your face Mark Halperin and your idiot cohort. You people are pathetic and you need to just shut the hell up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 05/19/2008
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Amen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 05/19/2008
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Well, it's obvious, truelie.

Black working class vote for Obama because they're racist.

White working class vote for Hillary because she's better qualified.

DUH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 05/19/2008
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That was funny, but let me rephrase it for you since your so out of touch.

Black working class have ALWAYS voted white, and supported Hillary until Obama became relevant. Now they have a truly viable African American candidate(for the first time in our countries history) to vote for, thats african american pride I wouldn't expect you to understand and it has NOTHING to with being racist.

White "working class"(appalachian/rust belt rednecks), not "whites" overall, vote Hillary because they're racist, and could never see themselves voting for a "black man", meanwhile progressive whites have moved past the racial pettiness, and into the 21st century.
I still wonder why your "better qualified" candidate that started as the inevitable nominee, that had more clout, connections, and political relationships than anyone. That had the powerful Clinton machine behind her, is still behind and will lose the nomination that was her's to win?

So much for being the "better qualified" candidate huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 05/20/2008

LOL what a loaded w/ bs article. oregon is the place where the SF hippies reside... latte capital of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 05/19/2008
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If they are San Francisco hippies why aren't they residing in SF?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon#Demographics

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 05/19/2008
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you should go to Oregon before you post nonsense like that, or if you can't do that, just read the article - the demographics were even posted for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 05/19/2008
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I think SF hippies reside in SF!!!! Oregon is much different than CA... in case you were not aware...

and its not BS... it just goes to show that these called "white working class voters" are not really what these idiot pundits and Hillaryland workers are making them out to be... it shows that here on the west coast, people have matured enough to look beyond skin color...

down in places like KY, they still call black men "BOY".... you figure it out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 05/19/2008
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Exactly!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 05/19/2008
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not just in KY - did u read Erica Jong's blog ?

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My husband used to travel routinely in to the less populated areas of states in the middle south-east - for his job. He said they're still fighting the Civil War in these backwoods areas. He said ignorance and bigotry are rampant and it really amazed him how intense and prevalent it was.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 05/20/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 261 fans permalink
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I guess in your case I is for Ignorant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 05/19/2008
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you know which state is really the latte capital [more espresso per capita than any other]?
the rock-ribbed republican state of alaska.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 05/20/2008
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