How Oregon Could Help Obama Defy "White Working Class" Problem

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First Posted: 05-19-08 04:45 PM   |   Updated: 05-27-08 05:12 AM

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The popular refrain within political circles is that Tuesday's Democratic primaries in Kentucky and Oregon will provide yet another demonstration of Sen. Barack Obama troubles among working class white voters. The Illinois Democrat, after all, is staring down a major loss in the former and a comfortable win in the latter.

It's an incomplete if not misleading analysis. If anything, socioeconomic statistics show that Oregon, as much as Kentucky and perhaps even more so than Ohio, is a state comprised of the white, middle-to-low income individuals who work in a struggling but still important manufacturing sector. Indeed, if the Senator were to win in the Beaver State on Tuesday - and all signs point to a victory - much of it will be on the backs of the very voters whom pundits believe have written him off.

The population of Oregon, according to census estimates is roughly 3.7 million, 90 percent of who are white and 1.9 percent of who are black. Eighteen percent of all jobs are manufacturing, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the median household income in 2004 was $42,568.

Compare those numbers to Ohio, the rust belt state where Obama's failure to connect with white working class voters emerged as a popular campaign theme. There are, according to census estimates, 11.4 million people in Ohio, 85 percent of who are white and 12 percent of who are black - much less homogeneous than Oregon. Slightly less than 15 percent of the states jobs are manufacturing (less than Oregon) and the average median household income is $43,371 (more than Oregon). Kentucky, where Sen. Hillary Clinton is likely to have a major victory on Tuesday, is quite similar. The Bluegrass state has an estimated population of 4.2 million, 90 percent of who are white and 7.5 percent of who are black - again less homogeneous than Oregon. Less than 17 percent of the jobs are manufacturing and the median household income in 2004 was $37,000.

So why, if Obama is supposedly having such troubles among the white working class - as evidenced by his defeat in Ohio and impending loss in Kentucky - is he slated to do so well among those voters in Oregon? Perhaps it's because the Senator's problems are far more geographic than socioeconomic.

"Oregon is a state where race has not been an animating factor of political campaigns in the past. It has not been an issue since the 1860s, and it is not going to matter to people in the current election," said Joseph Lowndes, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Oregon and author of "From the New Deal to the New Right: Race and the Southern Origins of Modern Conservatism. "Lunch-pale, white Democrats have become the signifier for journalists and it has been overused. Because as Oregon shows it doesn't matter."

Indeed, it is Oregon's political history, more than its population dynamics, which offers a friendly turf for the Obama campaign. The state, according to local officials, is filled with progressives and reformers -- inheritors, so to speak, of the counter-culture migrants who first came there. The political culture is hardly top-down. There is less Democratic Party machinery as compared to, say, Pennsylvania. Moreover, the I-5 corridor, as it is known, connects three relative urban areas that favor Democrats: Portland, Eugene and Salem. Meanwhile the eastern part of the state, traditionally conservative, has trended recently away from the GOP.

"[DNC Chairman] Howard Dean had a 50 state strategy and for Oregon that was a 36 county strategy," said Marc Siegal, a spokesperson for the state's Democratic Party. "We've been able to make inroads. And I think it is a fortunate confluence of the 36 county strategy, along with candidates who are inspiring voters in all parts of the state."

All of which is not to suggest that there isn't already a firm infrastructure of Democratic support within the state. Unlike Ohio or Kentucky, the state went for Sen. John Kerry in 2004. In fact, Oregonians have not voted for a Republican since Reagan in 1984. Since January, moreover, more than 110,000 people have registered as Democrats, roughly half of them new voters, the other half party switchers.

Obama is likely to win handily with the help of these individuals. But his potential victory in the state could also demonstrate that his candidacy, on some level, is having fewer problems with the white working class than conventional wisdom suggests.

"The people of Oregon are extremely progressive, and so Barack's message of change is resonating," said Nick Shapiro, the Senator's communications director in the state. "And also, the farther you go from Washington D.C. the more you want to change Washington D.C."

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I'm buying your overall argument, sort of. Just because Obama is losing those votes doesn't necessarily mean that they are lost forever. But you are playing fast and loose with some numbers. You quote total population stats not stats of registered Democrats (e.g., what % of registered Dems are blue collar whites?). Also, according to today's NY Times, the state is moving in a progressive direction as the western part of the state grows and the more conservative east is shrinking. How can you make a direct comparison to Penn or Ohio, two places with traditional blue collar Democrats with strong unions and overall shrinking populations/jobs? Also you forget to mention something that George on Seinfeld might appreciate: shinkage. Obama does poorly in places where jobs are shrinking (Ohio, Penn).

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 05/19/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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OK, the Rockies and West are turning, but only for Obama. Clinton has no influence outside CA.

What ever works for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 05/19/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 257 fans permalink
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You know what ? The same old map is no longer operating.

This will be a new coalition, it will blow minds, and the pundits will have to think outside the box.

It will probably fry their circuits entirely..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 05/19/2008
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they'll have a bunch of theories about why it happened -- all of them incorrect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 05/20/2008
- McFlipFlop I'm a Fan of McFlipFlop 15 fans permalink
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Those old white boys have been voting Republican for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 05/20/2008

Could the MAIN STREAM MEDIA BE CONVINCED...to tout and shout out that the majority of those 75,000 in the crowd for Obama on this past Sunday were WHITE?

Having listened up the ying yang to the Hillary folks, CNN and Fox News, saying Obama cannot win White voters...WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY OBAMA GOT THIS HUGE CROWD IN OREGON.

Oregon is NOT Mississippi, folks, no matter how you spin it!

OH, THESE WHITE VOTERS DON'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY DRINK COFFEE. That is coming, I am sure.

75,000 African Americans, White Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, women, men, olde, young, rich, poor, children, gay, straight, ALL STOOD UP FOR OBAMA...FOR HOURS.

It is time to stop the deceptions about White voters. ..or Black voters, or women over a certain age, voters, Jewish voters, Catholic voters. CNN AND FOX HAVE TO BE ASKED TO STOP THIS DEMOGRAPHIC DEMIGOGORY when predicting or reporting returns.

Watch, tomorrow night, you will see the dear John King talking about pockets of African Americans in Louisville or older White women in Oregon...going for Obama, then Clinton.

THE MEDIA IS DEEPENING THE DIVIDE IN THIS COUNTRY, and those who care...those like folks who subscribe to Huffington Post, ought to protest the media to STOP THE BIASED COVERAGE.

Oh, and for one last time ...BARACK OBAMA ATTRACTED WHITE VOTERS IN OREGON. There, I said it...and for the last time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 05/19/2008
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 51 fans permalink
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Working whites don't have a problem with Obama.
Bigots have a problem with Obama. I'd love it if reporters would start giving Bigots their own demographic. Don't call them "Conservative." Don't call them "white." Don't call them "working class." Don't call them "evangelicals". Don't call them "less well educated." Call 'em what they are. They're bigots and bigots ain't gonna vote for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 05/19/2008
- EvoMan I'm a Fan of EvoMan 30 fans permalink

Here, here. Did anyone catch John Stewart's take on West Virginia? Priceless.

Obama can win without Appalachia, which is where these bigots make up a large portion of the population.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 05/19/2008

Testify!

This is the best post on this subject I've seen in three months!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 AM on 05/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

Next is they'll blame Obama for McCain's age!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 05/19/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

I'm game!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 05/19/2008
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Good post. The people who are voting now and will vote in the general against Obama are white folks who are still fighting the southern cause in the civil war who think at most blacks should be slaves and at best second class citizens lynched periodically to keep them in their place and shot on sight after sun set.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 05/19/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Betcha there were some Asians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 05/19/2008

If you really want to understand where Clinton's support comes from, check out this incredible map from dreaminonempty at the openleft.com website http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countiesut1.giff). It shows county by county their relative strength all across the country. You'll see Clinton's support is notably strongest in the band along the Ozarks and the Appalachians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 05/19/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Having lived a decade in N. Virginia, I just want to say that is a region the Dems really MUST concentrate on!

If we want to lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 05/19/2008
- RKWM I'm a Fan of RKWM permalink

Continued post:

The only caucus for which exit polls were taken was Iowa (because it was the first race) Obama won the white vote in Iowa (a multicandidate race) 33/27. NONE of the other caucuses have been included in the overall percentage of white votes. HOWEVER when you note the EXTREMELY low percentage of African Americans and the HUGE spreads in the victories---I believe that it is EASY to see that Obama HAD to win the white vote to win the contests.

THUS---Obama has won the white vote in as many contests as Hillary has won---TOTAL! Hillary has NOT won the African American vote in ANY contest---including those in which that vote won the state for Kerry and/or Gore and/or Bill Clinton in their presidential contests.

Moreover, it would be a ridiculous presumption to assume that the educational levels or the income levels in ALL these states are so much greater than those in rural PA or West Virginia.

The press is not reporting the percentage of the African American voters who will not now (and likely ever again) cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.

I pray the next time you take on a racial loaded topic you will take the time to research the facts before you go there. Fostering stereotypes about less educated, or financially well off white people (in short painting all poor whites) as racists is a pretty bigoted thing to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 05/19/2008

You have articulated what I have been thinking after reading this article better than any blogger yet. Thank you for your time and insight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 05/19/2008
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

You are right in one sense, it has nothing to do with race. It is economic and it has to do with swing states. The issue is Oregon is a Democratic state and will vote Dem. Kentucky is a swing state that can flip to Dem under Hillary but not under Obama. This plays to the core point that the general election will be determined by swing voters in swing states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/19/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 05/19/2008

Just like Kentucky is a swing state, States like VA, CO, KS, NM and MI are swing state that will flip to Dem under Obama but not under Hillary. This plays to the core point that the General Election will be determined not only by the same old handful of States this dividers have been playing but by the 50 United States of America. By the time that Tuesday in November comes, McBush will be losing his bearing totally. You just wait and see!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 05/19/2008
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"Since the 1950s, Kentucky has been reliably Republican, although its voters have been willing to vote Democratic when a southern governor has run"

http://www.270towin.com/states/Kentucky

Kentucky is most likely going to go Republican so it doesn't really matter if Hillary wins it or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 05/19/2008
- Charmed I'm a Fan of Charmed 31 fans permalink

So it's not about the rules of the contest, it's about who can get the white votes in swing states. Well, how is hillary going to get votes if she manages to steal this (which I doubt is going to happen)....I'm so tired of this entitlement attitude from hillary and her women supporters. Just as hillary supporters wouldn't vote for Obama, I know just as many people that wouldn't vote for hillary because she didn't EARNED the nomination.

For us it's not about race or gender, it's about who won the primary fair and square by the rules they were given in the beginning. These hillary supporters remind me of the woman who tried to kill the woman in texas so her daughter could be the head cheerleader just because she felt like her daughter was entitled to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 05/19/2008
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We don't need no stinking swing states! I see a blow out like 1980.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 05/19/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

Unfortunately it is about race with some people. I've posted an email I received from a Hillary supporter I know in other places here, so I won't again. Using quotes from his books, the gist is that Obama doesn't like white people and will side with Muslims. I was being urged to think very carefully about my vote. Since I know this person I asked what this was about. She and, according to her, many other Hillary supporters are contacting anyone they know who is even considering voting for Obama with this email. It appeals to the fears of some people and has dissuaded some I'm sure.

Sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 05/19/2008
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I have to say I was sort of surprised to see this from Mr. Stein. Usually is work would reflect analysis that reflects some degree of research on an issue. This time it seems that all he did was use the "conventional wisdom" of the MSM to hurriedly get SOMETHING written.

These are the Primaries in which Obama won the white vote. (note he LOST the New Mexico Primary and still beat Hillary in the white vote.

Virginia-----------Won 52/47
Wisconsin------ Won 54/45
Utah-------------- Won 55/40
New Mexico---- Won 55/43
Illinois----------- Won 57/41
Vermont--------- Won 62/37

He lost the white vote by only 1% or less in California (45/46) and in Connecticut (48/49). He won Connecticut by 4% points (a state that is 75% white and only % African American).

These are the Caucuses that Obama won with the % of votes recieved and the population % of white and black voters.

State-------------% votes----------White(%)--------Black(%)
Alaska----------- 75/25----------- 66----------------- 3
Colorado-------- 67/32------------ 72----------------- 4
Kansas---------- 74/26 ----------- 81----------------- 6
Maine------------ 59/40------------ 96----------------- 1
Nebraska------- 68/32------------ 85----------------- 4
Hawaii----------- 76/24------------ 25----------------- 2
Idaho------------- 79/17------------ 86----------------- 0
Minnesota------ 66/32------------ 86----------------- 4
North Dakota--- 61/37------------ 90----------------- 1
Wyoming-------- 61/38------------ 88----------------- 1
Iowa-------------- 38/29------------ 91----------------- 2

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/19/2008

Except in VA and NC! :D States I can't wait to visit this fall!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 05/19/2008
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Let me get this straight - Based on the primaries, Hillary is strongly supported by uneducated bigots, and Obama is strongly supported by educated people of all races. Hillary says that you can't win the presidency without uneducated bigots voting for you, then she says that Obama is elitist. Hillary says that all votes should be counted, but wants all votes negated by the super delegates. Confusing stuff.
Call me a follower, but I'm going with the candidate the smart people think is best, that most people voted for, and that won't be obligated to uneducated bigots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 05/19/2008

That is why she is doomed to be a joke if you ask me. She is toast...well, you harvest what you plant and bad seeds are always going to harvest you bigotry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 05/19/2008

Thanks, ChangeNow, for a really hearty laugh ...........................
Particularly loved that part, "Call me a follower, but I'm going with the candidate the smart people think is best, ....................................................................................................................."
(I'm shaking so hard from laughing/Thanks, once again!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 05/19/2008
- LisainNYC I'm a Fan of LisainNYC 10 fans permalink

Great post ChangeNow.

Thanks for putting it just so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 05/19/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Excellent post. Favorite!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 05/20/2008

Edit: Obama wins states that are less than 6% black or more than 17% black.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/19/2008

Imatyak is onto to something. The MSM are simple minded dolts and do not understand complexity or analysis. They forgot that Obama has won 9/10 of the whitest states. Does the MSM have amnesia or this a willfull painting of Obama as "the black candidate"? I don't understand why David Sirota's statistically/scientifically grounded theory of this primary has not gotten more attention. His theory is called the "Race Chasm" and it's very simple: Obama wins the whitest states and the blackest states (he wins states consistently if 17% black. Check it out for yourself.) Why? In whitest states, they don't hate and fear blacks as much because no history of racial strife and politics; in blackest states, blacks can overcome racially motivated white vote in places with clear history of racial politics. In HIllary/chasm states, not enough blacks to overcome racially motivated white vote and there is history of racial politics. There are regional strengths working here, with Obama clearly very very strong in the mountain west; and Appalachia is a cultural regional that is Confederate/low education mentality, votes in a block, and is the region of the country most hostile to Obama. BO wins whitest/blackest states, HRC wins medium & E. of MS River states.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3597/the_clinton_firewall/

http://progressillinois.com/2008/05/11/features/obama-over-the-top

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/opinion/17blow.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/19/2008
- Aleka4 I'm a Fan of Aleka4 47 fans permalink

Aye, that's what I said downthread - Its not whites he has a problem with - its the bigots.

I was talking about the race chasm after WVA, but thank you for providing links. I think its clear that it is just this one region, the appalachians, that he has this problem in, amd Clinton somehow sucked the entire media into thinking these states represent the whole country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 05/19/2008

Yeah, and guess who best exemplifies the mentality of the Chasm: Gerraldine Ferraro, the female Archie Bunker! The eastern part of the country both N. and S. has some serious issues with race, ethnicity/religion (jewish/catholic) and class, and she is today's *bing* example to demonstrate the E. of MS river mentality. Notice how Obama cruises in most states E. of MS river, especially in Mountain/North West,/upper Midwest, where people seem to be INFORMED and EDUCATED and THINK. And not vote purely as a knee jerk reaction to the garbage that Faux News and Hilllary supporters spew....Ethnic/knee jerk politics rule E. of the Mississippi River, dude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 05/19/2008

dollars2donuts,

I am really glad that I read your links. Now I understand more. Obama does not need Kentucky or West Virginia to win the GE. The way they have redrawn the electoral map is awesome. OMG it is perfect!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 05/19/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 70 fans permalink
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Thanks for the articles, especially the "Clinton Firewall". I emailed to some friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 05/19/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

There she goes again, Hillary ... why her opponent won't debate her in Kentucky instead of giving a speech in front of a large crowd!! That's to deminish the magnitudes! Then, she uses some bullcorn that K.Rove suggested ... her being the "strongest candidate" .... ooooh ... she just takes me to my ultimate sense of pissivity!!!

Frankly, I would not miss Hillary or Bill if they just vanished!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 05/19/2008
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"Ultimate sense of pissivity!"

I am so stealing that...that is awesome!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 05/19/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

I'm too serious! "That woman" has defined herself (in my mind) as the mere appendage of a man ... a cheatin' man at that ... then she stacks her curriculum vitae with "pillow talk" and bombs a burstin' everywhere.

Shame on her .... ya think she's caterpolted women (us) back decades ... N.O.W. ought to disavow her ... after the work women did to be judge on our own merits ... she deploys bubba!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 05/19/2008

Ultimate sense of pissivity!

I am stealing it to!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 05/19/2008

She's green with envy and so transparent at that. The universe doesn't revolve around you, Hillary. Obama has better things to do like fighting Bush, McCain,the whole freakin republican party attacking his wife and also is very busy planning for a successful campaign for the general election.
I'm a woman an I'm so disgusted by women like Hillary. I don't call her a fighter, I call her a selfish lunatic .Shut up already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/19/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

Amen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 05/19/2008
- Charmed I'm a Fan of Charmed 31 fans permalink

KGinSanFrancisco, I'm totally disgusted by women like hillary.

hillary has made it extremely hard for any woman to run for president at this point. It would take me years to take a woman seriously about being President because of hillary and her unrealistic view of things, the lying, moving the goal post, wanting to debate because she doesn't have any money and mostly because the woman has absolutely no integrity and I don't think there is an honest bone in her body. Now she's quoting what Karl Rove said of all people....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 05/19/2008
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No IT CAN"T!!!

Every Right wing pundit and both Clintons have told us over and over and over the white people won't vote for Obama.

It's now "true".

Let no facts get in the way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 05/19/2008
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"Every Right wing pundit and both Clintons have told us over and over and over the white people won't vote for Obama."

Of course that particular spin was refuted by Obama's early and enormous win in Washington state where the demographics are similar to Oregon's. Perhaps the Clintons believe that the only "hard working" white folks in the country live in the former slave holding states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 05/19/2008
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Washington was a caucus state, so we don't matter since caucuses are undemocratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 05/19/2008
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 51 fans permalink
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Bigots won't vote for Obama. White people will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/19/2008
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This would make a good bumper sticker....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 05/20/2008

Look, this stuff about Obama having a problem with the white work-class is not something Hillary created, this a Republican ploy which Hillary has adopted. The Republicans, by attacking Obama endlessly with manufactured race-related issues like what Rev. Wright said, by praising Hillary every chance they get, and through a subtle manipulation of the main stream media, have done an incredible job of keeping Hillary in this race.

And, let me be clear, the Republicans have been doing this EVERY DAY, ALL DAY, EVERY CHANCE THEY GET FOR MONTHS. And they haven't been called on it at all. The media seems to enjoy this race way too much to do a serious analysis of what role the Republicans have in prolonging it. After all, stating the obvious, that the Republicans have been propping Hillary up for some time, might end the much-loved race.

I have no doubt that we, in the coming weeks will see a serious but under-the-radar effort by the Right to drive a wedge between Obama and women voters, by creating a "Hillary was ripped off" narrative in the main stream media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 05/19/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

Is that like "adopting" a stray pup!!? And, they say Hillary is smart ... why would she merely "adopt" a script from repubs.?

Hillary needs to apologize to those good americans of WV for allowing the media to refer to them as uneducated (ignorant, stupid) ... she adopted that bullcorn too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/19/2008

Hillary has adopted it and the people in Kentucky and West Virginia actually believe it. Her supporters in other states believe it as well. She is playing on it big time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 05/19/2008
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Supermatter, hillary and supporters have made it perfectly clear that "hillary was ripped off"....this has nothing to do with the right wing conspiracy or media, hillary is leading her supporters to believe that things were done unfairly to her during this process and they brought it as if they haven't been watching the same primary season. It blows my mind that people can be so dishonest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 05/19/2008
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I agree, since the rebublicans have no real agenda, they have been very busy injecting themselves into this race. The right wingers have had themselves a good old boy jamboree.

The problem is, if anyone calls the media on it, the Clinton people scream mysogyny. She has been played by these people and either she doesnt see it, or even worse, doesnt care.

I think in the end though it will backfire as the republicans are beginning to see that all their efforts have been in vane. Meanwhile back at the ranch they are desperately seeking a new identity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 05/19/2008

I have NO !@#$in" Class, never went to class and my ways of thinking are classical but i am still for OBAMA!!!! Woo hoo...get me a bud lucy!!!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 05/19/2008
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Current polls show Obama ahead of McCain by 7 points, and only trailing McCain by 1 point in MI, FL and OH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 05/19/2008
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