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Obama Or McCain: Who's Really Underestimating Iran?

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May 19, 2008 05:49 PM


About Seth Colter Walls

Seth Colter Walls is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, MSNBC and Lebanon's Daily Star newspaper. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of New York University. He can be reached at walls@huffingtonpost.com.


Before commencing his economic address in Chicago this morning, Sen. John McCain took a quick detour through Iran. Responding to remarks made in Oregon by Barack Obama on Sunday -- in which the likely Democratic nominee suggested that if Presidents Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan could talk to the titans of communism, perhaps the next president might want to talk to Tehran -- McCain once again thumped Obama's "inexperience and reckless judgment" for failing to accurately judge the threat posed by the Islamic Republic.

Leave aside for a moment logic which holds that the more powerful an enemy is, the more strenuously one should pretend not to notice it. By dinging Obama for underestimating Iranian power, McCain may have opened himself up to a debate he's in no position to win himself, according to experts and regional observers who say Iran's increased power in part due to the diplomatic freeze under the Bush administration -- the same policy McCain now favors on the campaign trail.

Rami Khouri, director of the Issam Fares Institute at the American University of Beirut, said recent events in Lebanon -- where Iranian-backed Hezbollah forces recently shut down the U.S.-backed government in Beirut without breaking a sweat -- are key to understanding America's current impotence in the face of growing Iranian influence.

"Lebanon is a great example of how this policy of [non-engagement] backfires," Khouri told The Huffington Post. "When the U.S. decides to rigorously ostracize Islamist movements that have some public or nationalist legitimacy, it's almost inevitably going to lose. ... The sad thing is that this posture is making the U.S. a more marginal player in many situations. More and more people around the world feel they can actively resist the United States. This generates a terrible backlash against the U.S. and really requires a serious re-think."

Vali Nasr, the Iran-born author of The Shia Revival and an expert on Middle Eastern affairs at the Council on Foreign Relations, says the problem even goes beyond the question of whether to talk to Iran or not about bilateral disputes. "It's not only that the United States has not engaged Iran, but that it has excluded Iran from a dialogue in every other arena in which it has an interest -- even in Afghanistan, where Iran is a neighbor," he said. "We haven't served ourselves well, because while Iran is clearly a stakeholder, they have no vested interest in cooperating. Consequently, not only hasn't it gotten us anything, it's made them more of a headache."

Not surprisingly, McCain national security adviser Max Boot sees it differently. Claiming there's nothing the United States can discuss with Iran "except the terms of our surrender," he nevertheless concedes that the recent Hezbollah offensive in Lebanon represents a "limited victory" for Iran. But Boot, who along with Nasr is member of the Council on Foreign Relations, rejects the notion that the Bush administration is at fault for Iran's newfound strength.

"Look, [Iran] has been fairly effective in terms of carving out a role for themselves by providing arms to Hamas and Hezbollah, and that's worked," he told The Huffington Post. "I don't really see what kind of leverage we could have to negotiate at this point. What would we give them? I think Sen. McCain is right when he says we have to turn up the heat, with diplomatic and economic action. Perhaps even military action if necessary."

Nasr, however, disputes Boot's claim that there are no potentially fruitful avenues of discussion. "The Bush administration's problem, and to an extent McCain's, is they think that there is a single silver bullet meeting to be had with the Iranians where you can come away with what you want. That's not the way it's going to happen. It's not the way it happened with China, or [in the Anbar Awakening] in Iraq, or any other conflict. The way it happens is with patience and strategy. And then we gradually and incrementally get things out of it."

In a perverse, self-defeating turn of events, Nasr says, America's refusal to talk to Iran may have left us ignorant about what its leaders might want from us. "The Washington feedback loop is just guessing about Iran," Nasr said, "because no one knows what they [Iran] want. The same things were said about the [Sunni] insurgent commanders in Iraq -- that you couldn't talk to them, they had American blood on their hands. And when General Petraeus adopted a more pragmatic strategy: Surprise, surprise! They did want something. The same thing happened in North Korea and Libya. Everywhere we've done this it's been a success."

Though Nasr doubts Iran will change its own aggressive stances in the last nine months of the Bush presidency, he believes a new administration will bring new opportunities to engage, if only on small matters at first. Similar opportunities may emerge after Iran holds its next presidential election in 2009. As the Washington Post reported last week, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is now musing in public as to "whether there was a missed opportunity" for dialogue with Iran before Mamhoud Ahmadinejad's election in 2005. If that's true, than the real danger for the next president may not reside in underestimating Iran's power, but in underestimating its willingness to cut a deal.

 
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McCain's Neo Con team set a course for Iran decades ago. So there's little one can say that would reach, let alone change, the mind of McCain.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/neo_con_totality.html

The P.N.A.C.'s signatories are in full overreach. Their behavior centers around an attack on another country lacking nuclear WMD, all in_the_face_of_the_NIE. It is because the Project was a done deal strategically when the ink dried from the last signatory's pen. All of it's totalitarian supporters want a modernized, civilization-friendly con that paints preemption (murder) as an ethical, out in the open final solution - the thrust of the Project.

It did not work. It oozed too much Strauss, Hitler, and Marx to get by the monitors of Informed America.

The Neo Con is in big trouble. Their failed totalitarian ideology ruthlessly cleansed most generically. They can't hide at Fox, CNN, Newsweek, and the New York Times without having their cover blown at regular intervals.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/lenin_trotsky_strauss_and_kristol.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/22/2008
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I agree McCain is SENILE. If you are a superpower like the USA, you do not fear having a discussion with your real and "imagined" enemies. McCain has kept on repeating that it is "appeasement" to talk with your enemies no matter how inconsequential their influence is. McCain has not told us what his options are. BOMB, BOMB, BOMB IRAN? It is one thing to appear to talk tough but it is another to employ your brains when you do so. McCain employs "toughness" but has NO brains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 05/21/2008

Why McCain appears to be so fearful when it comes to tough talks with Iran.

McCain = afraid he'll forget the name of who he's talking to
McCain = afraid he'll never be able to keep all those diplomacy rules straight
McCain = afraid he'll forget what position he took on the issue last week
McCain = afraid he might fall asleep

McCain = the same as Bush only more feeble

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 05/21/2008

Republicans = afraid that if Democrats talk to Iran they'll uncover the nasty details of U.S. weapons deliveries to Iran by Reagan and Bush 41 at the time of Election 1980 and Iran-Contra.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 05/21/2008

THIS GUY IS SENILE!!!!

HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE HEAD OF IRAN IS......ANOTHER GAFFE

AND I AM SUPPOSE TO HAND OVER MY KIDS TO HIM?? NO WAY!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/mccain-confronted-with-ne_n_102614.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 05/20/2008
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Old man yells at cloud ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/20/2008
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Obama is an educated man, elected President of the Harvard Law Review, an honor student who knows history and foreign affairs; McCain is not. McCain, while at the Naval Academy, was at the bottom of his class, and almost expelled for excessive partying. He was shot down in Vietnam and spent five years in the Hanoi Hilton, as a Vietnam vet I don't disrespect that, but he is no 'war hero" in the Audie Murphy sense.

Obama will eviscerate him in the debates and the American people will have a clear view of the differences between the two and will have a clear view of who belongs in the White House. I'd like to think most of the Clinton supporters will see this and come to their senses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 05/20/2008

Bush-Cain: Our policies have been a complete and miserable failure, so only a complete imbecile would try to do anything different.

We need to get all these guys out now, we can't afford to allow them to cause any more damage to this country while we wait for Jan 2009.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/20/2008

I lived 35+ years of my life fighting the Soviets in the US Army. I was a Russian linguist and an Infantry officer.

People forget that the Soviets were in Vietnam killing Americans, they invaded Hungary and Poland in 1957, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Afghanistan in 1976, Lithuania in 1990. People died as a result of this.

They supported client conflicts in Burma, Cambodia, India, Pakistan... supplied weapons to Libyans, Syrians, Egyptians, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.

They were the silent partners behind two Middle East wars with the Israelis...

The Chinese have a horrendous record as well; invaded Tibet, suppressed human rights, etc.

Yet from Kennedy thru Nixon to Reagan, Bush - the Presidents talked to their leaders!!!!

For McCain to say that Obama is naive about this is just an indication of how big a fool he really is.

Look, Iran is a threat, but the threat comes NO WHERE close to the threat of Global destruction that we faced during the Cold War.

I think silence does more to elevate Iran, we need to engage them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 05/20/2008

But you aren't looking at it in the right way. He's a PURIST. You see, the conservatives are mostly bluster and bully with a very thin rational story line to cover their nakedness. McCain is THE example of the PURE conservative, Complete bluster and bully with NO rational reality to cover his nakedness.
It's refreshing, in a way, absolutely NO pretense of reality, PURELY pushing the fantasy story he wants people to believe. For them, that's the ultimate expression of a real man. Holding onto nothing, standing for nothing, but willing to die for it to show you how much he wants you to take his word for it. In other words -- an absolute fool (or an old man shouting at a cloud.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 05/20/2008
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Draster, you are accurately right. Thank you for your great service to our motherland, USA. I listen more to people like you to get the real information than empty heads like John McCain who has decided to give up honor for a pot of porridge. Like NATO, the GOP and McCain represent NO ACTION, TALK ONLY!!!!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 05/21/2008

Let"s be real America. Old age isn"t a crime but to be very old and still want to take the job of presidency that deals with the nation"s fate is morally repugnant Senator McCain is too old for the presidency period.
2)Why can"t Senators McCain and Hillary run as a team? Both love wars. Each voted for the war in Iraq that has claimed thousands of lives on both sides, sunk billions in assets, and still we are unsafe. In spite of these Senator Clinton will obliterate Iran if she misbehaves and Senator John wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years.
3)18 cents tax rebates for American motorists this summer. And this is a solution to the pains of oil crises in our nation! Who"s suggesting this? A baby or a presidential candidate? America deserves better.
4)It"s an absolute disgrace for a US presidential candidate to subtly solicit racists" votes to win an election. How will the rest of the world see us as a nation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 05/20/2008
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Ask the rest of the world how it sees us. Almost without exception, people will tell you that the mere fact of Obma's campaign's success give them the only hope they've had in years that America might try to fulfill its greatest potential instead of the worst Bush is appraching, and that we might begin to act responsibly toward the rest of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 05/20/2008

Mc FlipFlop has no clue as to the intricacies of the different factions in Iraq.. For Christ sake, he can't even get their names right. He keeps mixing one group up with another...

The fact that Obama has experienced life in other countries including Indonesia (which is Muslim) gives him the understanding of how they think and the complexities of their culture. This is a crucial point ! Anyone who thinks Obama will sell out America because of this insight into the Muslim world is delusional as Mr. Obama has his two beautiful daughters living in this country and wants America to be the best place for them....

To know the ins and outs of your "enemies" is always the wisest position to be in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 05/20/2008
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Naturally Bush and McCain don't want anyone talking to Iran. As the Jerusalem Post reveals today, Bush and Cheney are planning a preemptive mass-murdering attack on Iran. Diplomacy with Iran might get in the way of their next war, the one that may really finish off this nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 05/20/2008

When the man in the main office belives that the end of times are right around the corner, is it a suprise that he wants the world to be at war?
Who are his strongest supporters? Others who think the end of times are right around the corner.

When the guy has only a hammer in his toolbox, everything is a nail. He even has a backup plan in case using the hammer fails: A bigger hammer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 05/20/2008

120 Iraqi veterans committing suicide each month! We are presently engaged in two wars...Afghanistan and Iraq.... America does not need any more war. We need to take care of our soldiers and stop this war-mongering mindset.

Let the peace process begin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 05/20/2008

The war in Iraq was supposed to make America better off. It was supposed to make us safer. Instead, we're less safe, gas prices have gone up, and Iran has emerged as a major power. They also know that our military is overextended. Good move, George.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 05/20/2008
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"Who's Reallly Underestimating Iran?" No one. It's just that McCain/Bush & the entire neocon Right Wing war criminals hijacking our Constitution for oil with the Patriot Act recognize a valid threat from an almost insignificant enemy. Conversely, there is the heroic Obama leadership for hope and change extolling Iran's demure significance that requires unconditional negotiations with the enemy and attacking our Pakistan ally, all while whistling past the graveyard. Strange how the Righties take Iran's insane Islamic leadership seriously about the total destruction of the little and great Satans, and prepares to counter that danger, while the inexperienced Leftie Obama wants to talk. Hmmmmm, now about that suitcase w/unknown contents Iran has the money to bankroll and the divining suiciders to deliver it to NYC or DC, Philly, El Paso, wherever, ain't it obvious not every one underestimates Iran? One side sees it, the other ignores it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 05/20/2008
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Well, CaseyBabes, all I can say is....in the words of the Immortal R. Lee Ermey: "Let me see your War face !!"

Your "valid threat" is the same place that thousands of Europeans go skiing every winter, in resorts that rival anything in Canada or Switzerland. Your "valid threat" has an antique navy with deisel submarines, which I could detect with a Campbell's soup can dangling in the water on a string. Your "valid threat" is a boogey man created by the likes of GWB, KBR, CIA, and the defense industry....the "new frontier" where we will be able to test Iron Man and the latest drones and weaponry, at the small cost of maybe 10,000 US Soldiers or so. no big loss for a 73 year old President, right? After all, what is war but the old sacrificing the young anyway? As per "suiciders", whatever that means, I think you should be more concerned with the White Supremecist, as I recall Tim McVeigh being the most successful domestic terrorist yet. Think I'll throw my lot in with the "lefty" Obama...he makes much more sense to someone like me, recallable ex-military, with an 18 year old son and nephew.

OBAMA OR ICELAND 2008/2012

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 05/20/2008
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Good description of Iran, particularly emphasizing their insignificant military (measured against ours, just like the wimp Obama), then you drop off the valid threat line. Guess you forgot that in the age of "nuke klee ar" arms, all any country needs is a pair of legs to deliver a suitcase. Kinda think that puts any country on a par with this country's strength. And yes, there is always a Timothy McVeigh around to be concerned about. And he was "recallable too," with a 30-year commitment, just like "recallable you." Congratulations on having an 18-year old sun and nephew. I share your concern, indeed, hoping my 26-year old does not return for a third tour.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 05/20/2008

Here's a quick, one-question quiz for Senator McCain:

Iran: Shiite or Sunni? You only get one guess!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 05/20/2008
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Another question for McCain: are the Coneheads really from France, or are they Iranians?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/20/2008

I think we should wait for both Bush and Ahmajinidad to be gone before the two countries talk.
I think they were separated at birth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 05/20/2008

Iran is Israel's problem, not ours. We are getting into a fight with Iran so the Israelis can continue to steal Arab land and water and our taxes to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 05/20/2008

Agreed. McCain was given a luncheon very recently at Spenser House in Great Britain by Lord Rothschild. Read oAs AFP pointed out, McCain"s late father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was a top figure in the organized crime power network surrounding one Kemper Marley, who acted as the front man in Arizona for the Bronfman family"key players in the Lansky crime syndicate, popularly though inaccurately referred to as "the Mafia""who used Marley to control both major political parties in that state.

The Bronfman family has long been allied with the Rothschilds as among the leading billionaire patrons of Israel and the global Zionist movement, so much so that Edgar Bronfman, head of the dynasty, was, for many years head of the World Jewish Congress (WJC), which is now lorded over by his son Matthew, who is chairman of the WJC"s governing board.

Eight years ago, when McCain first ran for president, Edgar Bronfman was a contributor to his campaign. Included among his closest advisors the ubiquitous William Kristol of the stridently pro-Israel neo-conservative journal, The Weekly Standard, whose owner, media baron Rupert Murdoch, rose to wealth and power through the sponsorship of the Rothschild and Bronfman families.

Kristol has attended secretive Bilderberg meetings that are sponsored by the Rothschild family in partnership with their American confreres in the Rockefeller family.

So the McCain-Bronfman-Rothschild connection is intimate on multiple levels , explaining much about McCain"s long-standing tendency to be an almost feverish advocate for Israel"s interests.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 05/20/2008
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