Obama Or McCain: Who's Really Underestimating Iran?

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First Posted: 05-19-08 05:49 PM   |   Updated: 05-27-08 05:12 AM

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Before commencing his economic address in Chicago this morning, Sen. John McCain took a quick detour through Iran. Responding to remarks made in Oregon by Barack Obama on Sunday -- in which the likely Democratic nominee suggested that if Presidents Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan could talk to the titans of communism, perhaps the next president might want to talk to Tehran -- McCain once again thumped Obama's "inexperience and reckless judgment" for failing to accurately judge the threat posed by the Islamic Republic.

Leave aside for a moment logic which holds that the more powerful an enemy is, the more strenuously one should pretend not to notice it. By dinging Obama for underestimating Iranian power, McCain may have opened himself up to a debate he's in no position to win himself, according to experts and regional observers who say Iran's increased power in part due to the diplomatic freeze under the Bush administration -- the same policy McCain now favors on the campaign trail.

Rami Khouri, director of the Issam Fares Institute at the American University of Beirut, said recent events in Lebanon -- where Iranian-backed Hezbollah forces recently shut down the U.S.-backed government in Beirut without breaking a sweat -- are key to understanding America's current impotence in the face of growing Iranian influence.

"Lebanon is a great example of how this policy of [non-engagement] backfires," Khouri told The Huffington Post. "When the U.S. decides to rigorously ostracize Islamist movements that have some public or nationalist legitimacy, it's almost inevitably going to lose. ... The sad thing is that this posture is making the U.S. a more marginal player in many situations. More and more people around the world feel they can actively resist the United States. This generates a terrible backlash against the U.S. and really requires a serious re-think."

Vali Nasr, the Iran-born author of The Shia Revival and an expert on Middle Eastern affairs at the Council on Foreign Relations, says the problem even goes beyond the question of whether to talk to Iran or not about bilateral disputes. "It's not only that the United States has not engaged Iran, but that it has excluded Iran from a dialogue in every other arena in which it has an interest -- even in Afghanistan, where Iran is a neighbor," he said. "We haven't served ourselves well, because while Iran is clearly a stakeholder, they have no vested interest in cooperating. Consequently, not only hasn't it gotten us anything, it's made them more of a headache."

Not surprisingly, McCain national security adviser Max Boot sees it differently. Claiming there's nothing the United States can discuss with Iran "except the terms of our surrender," he nevertheless concedes that the recent Hezbollah offensive in Lebanon represents a "limited victory" for Iran. But Boot, who along with Nasr is member of the Council on Foreign Relations, rejects the notion that the Bush administration is at fault for Iran's newfound strength.

"Look, [Iran] has been fairly effective in terms of carving out a role for themselves by providing arms to Hamas and Hezbollah, and that's worked," he told The Huffington Post. "I don't really see what kind of leverage we could have to negotiate at this point. What would we give them? I think Sen. McCain is right when he says we have to turn up the heat, with diplomatic and economic action. Perhaps even military action if necessary."

Nasr, however, disputes Boot's claim that there are no potentially fruitful avenues of discussion. "The Bush administration's problem, and to an extent McCain's, is they think that there is a single silver bullet meeting to be had with the Iranians where you can come away with what you want. That's not the way it's going to happen. It's not the way it happened with China, or [in the Anbar Awakening] in Iraq, or any other conflict. The way it happens is with patience and strategy. And then we gradually and incrementally get things out of it."

In a perverse, self-defeating turn of events, Nasr says, America's refusal to talk to Iran may have left us ignorant about what its leaders might want from us. "The Washington feedback loop is just guessing about Iran," Nasr said, "because no one knows what they [Iran] want. The same things were said about the [Sunni] insurgent commanders in Iraq -- that you couldn't talk to them, they had American blood on their hands. And when General Petraeus adopted a more pragmatic strategy: Surprise, surprise! They did want something. The same thing happened in North Korea and Libya. Everywhere we've done this it's been a success."

Though Nasr doubts Iran will change its own aggressive stances in the last nine months of the Bush presidency, he believes a new administration will bring new opportunities to engage, if only on small matters at first. Similar opportunities may emerge after Iran holds its next presidential election in 2009. As the Washington Post reported last week, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is now musing in public as to "whether there was a missed opportunity" for dialogue with Iran before Mamhoud Ahmadinejad's election in 2005. If that's true, than the real danger for the next president may not reside in underestimating Iran's power, but in underestimating its willingness to cut a deal.

Before commencing his economic address in Chicago this morning, Sen. John McCain took a quick detour through Iran. Responding to remarks made in Oregon by Barack Obama on Sunday -- in which the likely...
Before commencing his economic address in Chicago this morning, Sen. John McCain took a quick detour through Iran. Responding to remarks made in Oregon by Barack Obama on Sunday -- in which the likely...
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- jeffp26 I'm a Fan of jeffp26 29 fans permalink
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McCain is scariing me more the more he keeps blabbering. Is this guy really a little rabid about fighting wars? We do not need any more wars. And neither does any other country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 05/19/2008

McCain has Max Boot as his national security advisor? Ack! Look, I'm all for hiring the mentally retarded when appropriate but this is over the line. If that's what he's working with, McCain is going to lose any foreign policy debate. That is unless Max is allowed to setup one of his awesome historical battle dioramas in order to argue his points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 05/19/2008
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If watching the Godfather movies over and over again has taught me nothing else, it has at least taught me to keep my friends close, and my enemies closer. History has shown that mantra to be effective when applied to diplomatic relations between the US and other governments.

Kennedy knew that he had to talk with the Khrushchev to keep a lid on Cuba. Nixon knew that he had to talk to Mao, even as the Chinese backed the North Vietnamese against the US. Reagan knew that he had to talk with Gorbechev. Conversations like those have kept the world's most powerful nations from destroying the planet.

The appeasement argument that you hear being played by the Kevin Jameses of the world is a bad analogy, especially when you consider that no one has done more to give Iran more room to maneuver than President Bush. No one denies that Saddam Hussein was a vicious and cruel dictator. But bastard that he was, overthrowing him only served to remove the single greatest roadblock to Iranian dominance in the Middle East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 05/19/2008
- NABNYC I'm a Fan of NABNYC 99 fans permalink

I've finally figured it out. The Republicans are like drunks -- chemically altered, mentally incompetent and delusional. Just like the really drunk guy, flailing around, babbling away, screaming at everyone, thinking everyone's out to get him, making lots of threats to shoot everyone, pissing all their money away in their favorite bar feeling like a hot shot buying rounds for everyone while the family sits homeless without food or medical care because Daddy is a drunk.

When exactly did Iran attack us? They didn't. the U.S. and England have attacked Iran several times, once in the early 1950s to overthrow the Iranian government that had the nerve to claim Iranians owned their own oil, not England. Then again in the 1980s, the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein (the "monster") in his war against Iran, giving him chemical and biological weapons to use against Iranians (and his own people).

We're the homeless family in this scenario. Daddy's drunk, and now he wants to start another war, this one against Iran (with Hillary of Arc leading the troops). How about if we end all the wars, bring the troops home, sober up, and start taking care of our own people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 05/19/2008
- landmine I'm a Fan of landmine 4 fans permalink

....and Daddy has an entourage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/19/2008
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Well Said NABNYNC... I couldn't agree with you more.

And it isn't that Daddy drinks because we cry. It's that Daddy drinks because he's obsessed with it. And when Daddy drinks, he gets all the more violent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 05/19/2008
- KarenKaren I'm a Fan of KarenKaren 9 fans permalink

My response to McCain is "Hafai Sho!" That's Farsi (Persian) for shut up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 05/19/2008
- loax I'm a Fan of loax 20 fans permalink

McCain is. Iran need to much help for thier people to survive on a day to day basis. You must remember that the president is not really in charge. To have the mentality of bomb,bomb,bomb Iran only add to the belief of people around the world that it is the Americans are the big bully

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 05/19/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 24 fans permalink

Again, let's not talk, negotiate and take no pictures with anyone - let's just send our young people over there to die, 4000+ McCain - I'll take negotiation, preparation, pictures and sweat before I would want to send people to their death - McCain and Bush, your threats and lies will no longer work -
Preparations, preconditions, provisions, conditions and requirements - they are all the same - why does Bush and McCain want to speak to the american people as if they were stupid - now, maybe some are, but should they be voting???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 05/19/2008
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