Israel, Syria Peace Talks Confirmed

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JOSEF FEDERMAN | May 21, 2008 06:08 PM EST | AP

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Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, gestures during a Knesset, Israel's parliament, session in Jerusalem, Wednesday, May 21, 2008. Israel and Syria on Wednesday said they were holding indirect peace talks through Turkish mediators _ the first official confirmation of contacts between the longtime enemies. (AP Photo/Dan Balilty)

JERUSALEM — Israel and Syria unexpectedly announced Wednesday the resumption of peace talks after an eight-year break, saying they have been speaking indirectly through Turkish mediators "in order to achieve the goal of comprehensive peace."

The longtime adversaries each have something to gain from the dialogue. Israel wants to reduce Syrian support for anti-Israel militants in Gaza and Lebanon, while Syria is eager to improve ties with the U.S. and end its international isolation.

But many obstacles, including a skeptical Israeli public opposed to ceding the strategic Golan Heights to Syria, a scandal-plagued Israeli prime minister and Syria's providing a home base for radical militant groups, will make it difficult to reach a deal.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Syrian President Bashar Assad both recently confirmed their countries had exchanged messages. But Wednesday's announcement, in identical statements issued minutes apart by Israel, Syria and Turkey, was the first official confirmation peace talks were under way.

"Syria and Israel have started indirect peace talks under the auspices of Turkey," the statement said. It said the two enemies "have declared their intent to conduct these talks in good faith and with an open mind," with a goal of reaching a comprehensive peace.

Noticeably absent from the announcement was the U.S., the traditional power broker in the region. White House spokeswoman Dana Perino suggested the United States was informed in advance but was not participating.

"We were not surprised by it and we do not object to it," she said. "We hope that this is a forum to address various concerns we all have with Syria, Syria's support of terrorism, repression of its own people."

President Bush has accused Syria of sheltering terrorists and supporting insurgents in Iraq, and he criticizes Damascus for backing of Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon and Palestinian militants.

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In an address Wednesday evening, Olmert said the contacts with Syria had been under way for over a year and noted that previous Israeli leaders were prepared to make "painful concessions" for peace with Syria. Those efforts, by then-prime ministers Yitzhak Rabin and Ehud Barak, failed.

"It is always better to talk than to shoot," Olmert said, "and I'm happy the two sides have decided to talk," though he predicted difficult negotiations.

An Israeli government official said Olmert's chief of staff and diplomatic adviser have been in Turkey since Monday. Israel's Channel 10 TV showed them returning home Wednesday evening.

"Their Syrian counterparts are in Turkey as well," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the contacts. He declined to discuss the substance of the talks.

Turkey's NTV television said the Israeli and Syrian delegations were in Istanbul but were not meeting directly.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan, speaking to reporters during a visit to Bulgaria, said the start of indirect contacts was "an important development" and urged journalists not to be "impatient" concerning details of the meetings.

"These talks will continue indirectly in the period ahead," the Turkish state-run Anatolia news agency quoted him as saying, refusing to say where the talks are taking place.

Israel and Syria are bitter enemies whose attempts at reaching peace have failed in the past, most recently in 2000. The nations have fought three wars, their forces have clashed in Lebanon, and more recently, Syria has given support to Hezbollah and Palestinian militant groups in the Gaza Strip.

The sides' demands in any peace deal are well-known. Syria wants a full Israeli withdrawal from the Golan Heights, a strategic plateau captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East War and later annexed. The last round of peace talks collapsed over disagreements over the last fraction of an Israeli withdrawal.

Israel wants Syria to end its support for anti-Israel militants and curb its ties with Iran, while demanding full peace relations.

While neither appears ready to meet those conditions right now, renewed dialogue could quickly deliver other benefits.

Israel has been battling Hamas militants in Gaza since the Islamic group seized control of the area last June. Israeli talks with Syria could ultimately weaken Hamas, whose leaders are based in Damascus.

In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Ghazi Hamad said relations with Syria were "very strong" and he didn't expect any changes.

Israel also wants to reduce the influence of Hezbollah, which battled Israel to a stalemate during a 34-day war in 2006. Israel believes Hezbollah has replenished its arsenal with Syrian help.

Syria's Assad has expressed interest in restarting peace talks for years. His deep international isolation may have pushed him to take the plunge.

Syria's relations with moderate Arab powerhouses Egypt and Saudi Arabia are at their lowest in years, and last September, Israeli warplanes destroyed a suspected nuclear installation in Syria.

By going into talks with Israel, Syria can show the West that it is moderating its policies and perhaps reap political benefits with the next U.S. administration.

Syria "is not as interested in making peace with Israel as it is in making peace with Washington," said Itamar Rabinovich, who served as an Israeli negotiator in the last round of talks with Syria,

Olmert has repeatedly signaled his willingness to pull out of the Golan, but actually doing so would not be easy. The Israeli leader, already unpopular since the Lebanon war, has seen his image further tarnished by a police investigation into his financial dealings.

Today the Golan Heights are home to 18,000 Israelis, who run thriving wine and tourism industries. Last month, Olmert spent his Passover vacation at an inn on the Golan. The area has been calm since the 1973 Mideast war, and many Israelis consider it a valuable buffer against attack.

"The people of Israel will not support such a deluded and irresponsible move, which would hand over such a vital Israeli strategic asset to the Arab axis of evil," said the Golan Residents Council, a group representing Israeli settlers there.

About 17,000 Arabs, most members of the Druse sect, an offshoot of Islam, live in the territory. A few have taken Israeli citizenship, and the rest remain loyal to Syria.

A poll last month by the Dahaf Institute, an Israeli research firm, showed 51 percent of Israelis opposed to giving up the Golan, while 32 percent said they were in favor. Roughly three-quarters of respondents said they thought Assad was not serious about peace. The poll questioned 500 Israelis and had a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points.

___ / Associated Press Writer Sam F. Ghattas contributed to this report from Beirut, Lebanon.

JERUSALEM — Israel and Syria unexpectedly announced Wednesday the resumption of peace talks after an eight-year break, saying they have been speaking indirectly through Turkish mediators "in ord...
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- john85msy I'm a Fan of john85msy 3 fans permalink

I think this is more of a symbolic gesture more than anything else. Isreal cant afford to only attack and not negotiate like they have been in recent years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 05/21/2008
- robbor I'm a Fan of robbor 7 fans permalink
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Israel, Syria Peace Talks Confirmed

Fantastic!! Give Peace a Chance

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/21/2008
- ZenJu I'm a Fan of ZenJu 40 fans permalink

This is scary. Syria only controlled the Golan for 21 years, during which time they used it to menace northern Israel, shelling Jewish farmers and fishermen. Israel tired of that foolishness in 1967 and, having warned Soviet-armed Syria against such nonsense, took the Golan after much provocation. Since that time, the Golan has been Israeli---nearly 41 years. Why should Israel yield this strategic location to Syria, a known backer of terrorism which refuses to even acknowledge Israel's very right to exist? Israel stands to gain a pretty document. Paper doesn't stop thugs or tyrants; what good did 'peace treaties' with Hitler gain in the years prior to 1939? How about this: let Assad's government offer full diplomatic recognition of Israel PRIOR to negotiations and come to the table openly and as an equal? THEN Israel should listen. Not before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/21/2008

Syria never menaced Israel from the Golan Heights. That claim was a ruse by Israel - an excuse to invade, which it did in '67. The tactic of the Jews is to plant farmers beyond the armistice lines. When the Syrians respond, Israel sends in the tanks and jets. In that way, Israel gets larger by increments.

The Golan Heights has always been Syrian. While Syria may be a 'known backer of terrorism,' Isreal is an outright practitioner of terror - that's why few of its leaders can travel to Europe - they are liable for arrest for their violence against their natives as well as the native Palestinian population. As far as recognizing Israel's right to exist - that's what negotiations are, de facto. Besides, the world recognizes that the Golan is Syrian, the world except Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 05/21/2008
- ZenJu I'm a Fan of ZenJu 40 fans permalink

Beg to differ. If you bother to do the research, you'll find that the USSR was egging Syria on and falsely reporting non-existent Israeli troop concentrations on the Israel/Syria border in the weeks before 6 June 1967. The Soviet ambassador pointedly refused an Israeli invitation to come verify this personally; others international observers, however, DID verify that Israel had NOT concentrated troops near Syria.
Here's the bottom line: Israel has had to fight uphill all the way to simply survive in the Middle East. How laughable is your contention that "the Jews" (telling phrase, that) were enlarging Israel by increments. If the Arabs had recognized Israel from 1948, there would BE a "Palestinian" state already; if the Arabs had truly desired to create a "Palestine," then Egypt and Jordan would have created one between 1949 and 1967 in the "West Bank" and "Gaza." Why didn't they, one wonders? And what decent nations would kept Arab refugees AND their descendents penned up in hellish camps for six decades, when they could have offered homes and jobs and dignity to them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/21/2008

Palspal, you need to read your history if you really think "Syria never menaced Israel from the Golan Heights." I seem to remember sitting on a defunct Syrian tank in the Golan Heights when i was there in 1989, but maybe the Israelis just put there as a "ruse."

Oh brother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 05/21/2008
- Nicolaus I'm a Fan of Nicolaus 9 fans permalink

There is absolutely no strategic or even a tactical value for the Golan. If Israeli reports are to be believed, Syria is capable of striking anywhere it wishes with its rockets - and it seems so could its allies in the Lebanon, following the 2006 War.

This is why peace now is important. There are several issues that need to be sorted out in that part of the world. Water is one huge one. All the countries in that region need to resolve that issue: Turkey with Iraq and Syria, Syria with Israel and Jordan, Israel with Lebanon and Syria. The truth of the matter, is that oil would be a good reason for some (wink, wink, say no more!) to torpedo any deal. The Saudi Royal Family sees a definite threat in a peace that would direct attention to its festering autocracy, Jordan would say byeee to the other Royal autocracy, and soon the edifaces of the of Princely parasites in the Gulf would crumble... And in none of that the oil interests (wink, wink, say no moooooore!) would take charge and bring the entire matter to an aborted close....

Just a week ago, every effort was made to dynamite an agreement in Lebanon. That the agreement reached would be executed upon is dependent on the US asministration, its driving force (wink, wink, sayyyyyy no more) and of course the Israeli right wing...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 05/21/2008
- irv I'm a Fan of irv 3 fans permalink

syria's recogniton of isreal should be concurrent with a peace treaty that requies isreal to give up golan. this is the only thing that will work. also, the golan must be demilitarized just as sinai was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 05/21/2008

Have you ever been to the Golan and stood on it? Obviously not because it is not militarized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 05/21/2008

AND, the Isrealis left the bunkers and machine guns that the Syrians had pointing on them and the Galilee below there as a memorial of what it was like when Syria occupied it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 05/21/2008
- Nicolaus I'm a Fan of Nicolaus 9 fans permalink

Here we go again!

The Levant has been inhabited by the Arabs or Arabized population for thousands of years.

Israel's policy of expansion which governed its relationship with its neighbours from 1948 till 1973 began to meet a stumbling military block with the near defeat in 1973 War,the withdrwal from Lebanon in 2000 and its inability to handle its Lebanese adversaries in the 2006 War.

While procrastinations had helped Israel in the past, from Madrid to Sharm El-Shaik, the emerging military balance may well be driving a different alternative in the minds of its strategists. The events in Beirut a couple of seeks ago confirmed the possible existential problem Irsael faces today. This took place to the background of the growth of military strength and reach of Iran and the clear stalemate with Hamas where Israel's vulnerability to terrorist attacks is matching its own terrorist onslaughts on Gaza.

One hopes that the negotiations should succeed. If they do, the people of Israel, who sought refuge, peace and equanimity in Palestine, and the people of Palestine, Syria and would be the winners. Only the shadow of procrastinations is difficult to dismiss, and one wonders if Israel will be whiling its time until the end of President Bush's term - a man with a dire need for a semblance of foreign policy achievement.... And then a new page, a new Madrid, and a new Oslo, and a new Camp David, and a new Wye River Agreements.... ad infinitum?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 05/21/2008

I bet this didn't cross Israel's mind at all, ZenJu. Glad you brought it up, just in the nick of time!

There are plenty of ways to negotiate this. For example, the Golan is demilitarized. I think the war a couple of years ago with Hezbollah proved pretty clearly that "strategic locations" are meaningless in the Israeli context. Israel can be attacked from Lebanon or even, as in the Gulf war, two countries over, from Iraq. How does Golan or the West Bank protect against that?

It's a good sign. If there's peace with Syria, Lebanon follows. Then it's Palestine's turn...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/21/2008
- jeffepops I'm a Fan of jeffepops 7 fans permalink

Yep. Those Israelis don't know what they're doing. Thank God they have us Americans who are so much better at conducting foreign affairs to tell them what to do.

Zenju, get over there and do something before those Israel destroys itself!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 05/21/2008

Apparently the Knesset didn't heed Bush's warning about appeasement.

This is good news. May not lead to anything, but it doesn't hurt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 05/21/2008

oh oh. what would McCain say about that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 05/21/2008
- swooge I'm a Fan of swooge 13 fans permalink
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WWWHHHHHAA­AATTTTTT?!­?!?!?!?!??­!?!?!

How can this be? How can a "good" country like Israel actually TALK with those bad old terrorists in Syria?

Didn't they get the word from "the Decider" and his sidekick "McDitto"?

If I didn't know better I'd think that someone is thinking for themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 05/21/2008

Well after they took out their nuclear program (stick) they can now talk(carrot).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 05/21/2008

APPEASERS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/21/2008
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Will someone please let George Bush and John McCain see what smart people already know, it good to talk, and Sen. Obama has said this from the beginning, I mean this guy has been dead on since he first starred to run for the President,this is what is need at this time, some one who hase the fore sight to see the entire picture, and that person is Sen. Obama, and the people in WV and Kentucky will not vote for him because of his skin color, instead of voting for him because of his wisdom GOD BLESS AMERICA and HEROS like Sen> OBAMA who prove everyday what a great American he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 05/21/2008
- MaeScott I'm a Fan of MaeScott 15 fans permalink
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I hope so very much that this is a good beginning..may God bless this start...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 05/21/2008

According to Mcsame this would be appeasement !!!! I hope they will make it this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 05/21/2008
- Gma11 I'm a Fan of Gma11 12 fans permalink

Excellent point, jobama. And very welcome news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 05/21/2008
- tarryd I'm a Fan of tarryd 7 fans permalink
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Hmmmmm. I guess the Israelis forgot to tell Dubby before he made his appeasement speech in the Knesset. Even McCaine was for it before he was against it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/21/2008
- keriheb I'm a Fan of keriheb 6 fans permalink

What Israel is talking to terrorists?

I'm confused did you say Syria is talking to Jewish terrorists?

Since Palestine call Jews terrorists and Syria is called a terrorist state there are a bunch of terrorists talking!

According to Bush no one should be talking.

How can anyone have peace if they don't stop the name calling and just sit down and talk.

In fact they should never be allowed to go home until they learn to talk and quit killing each other. No name calling, no killing, no hating, no fighting. Anyone caught fighting must be made to sit at the table without food or going to the bathroom unless and until they talk and negotiate eating and going to the bathroom. We will call that Negotiation 101. When you pass you can go to the bathroom. When you get an A in that course you can eat.

Now we just need to get HRC into this course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 05/21/2008

Question - If Israel is in serious negotiations about returning the Golan to Syria, how can they sustain the argument that they need to hold on to the West Bank for security reasons...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 05/21/2008
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 88 fans permalink
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It seems to me like a slap in the face of shrub and I like it. Bush has told Isreal to stay away from Syeria and now this. Huray for peace.!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/21/2008
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Does that mean that the Israelis are a bunch of APPEASERS??????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/21/2008
- BobSF94117 I'm a Fan of BobSF94117 10 fans permalink

I sure hope Dubya doesn't get wind of this. You know how he feels about "appeasers".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/21/2008
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This should be a reminder to some of my uber-left Israel bashers that Israel is a true pluralistic society that is capable of promoting peace. At the core of Israeli society are both arabs and jews (as well as christians) that want to live together despite the fact that the current government is so right wing.

I would not want the US and its people to be solely judged by the Bush regime. Perhaps Iran is in a similar situation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 05/21/2008

Rosenthal - If Israel were capable of promoting peace it would have done so. It would not have attacked and annexed the West Bank and Gaza in 67. It would not have expropriated what little was left (22%) of Palestine that their grandfathers violently siezed in '47 - '49. They would not have carried out collective punishment, prison torture, long-term sieges of towns, hundreds of roadblocks and checkpoints, wanton killing of civilians, denial of water and food, denial of due process, prohibition of ingress and egress of people, goods, money, control over all air and sea space, denial of medical services, erection of the apartheid wall, issuance of pass cards, - WHILE putting a large population of Jews (half million and counting) in what remains of Palestine.

At the core of Israeli society are Jews - NOT Arabs. Palestinian Israelis are not in the national narrative and are not represented in any manner worth noting in Israeli society. At the highest levels of Israeli political society, they are invisible, in fact, non-existent. They have had one (ONE!) cabinet minister in Israel's 60 years - and what is he? Minister of Arab sports?

You confuse religion and ethnicity. Arabs ARE Christians and Muslim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 05/23/2008
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