Obama Needs Superdelegate A Day Under Current DNC Rules

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FiveThirtyEight   |   May 22, 2008 11:30 AM


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Last night, Barack Obama clinched a majority of pledged delegates excluding Florida and Michigan, as well as under certain Florida/Michigan scenarios. But, in spite of a big win in Oregon and a well-executed speech in Iowa, the milestone did not quite produce the sense of euphoria and closure that his campaign might have been after. The circumstances of the day -- Hillary Clinton's overwhelming margin of victory in Kentucky, the late hour at which Oregon ballot boxes closed, the subdued tone of the evening necessitated by Senator Kennedy's diagnosis, and some relatively effective pushback from the Clinton campaign on the pledged delegate metric -- conspired to prevent that.

Obama might have another opportunity to declare victory on June 3rd, when South Dakota and Montana conclude the primary calendar. The conditions for doing so are otherwise pretty favorable. He is likely to achieve victory in one or both of these states (his worst case scenario is probably losing one of them -- more likely South Dakota -- by a small margin). And while Obama could conceivably hold a victory rally anywhere, there is a sound argument for doing so in Montana, a potentially competitive state that symbolizes the Democrats' 50-state strategy (think Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester) and their hopes to expand the electoral map in November. But will the math be there to make Montana the state that puts Obama over the top?

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The "Popular Vote" math myth is straight-up offensive and is causing more damage to the Party than a swiftboat load full of Pastors and Flag Pinz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 05/23/2008

face it people by the end of the primaries she will have more votes for her then obama has even without florida or michigan counting. anyway you slice it she will have more votes. so you people are like the bush people of 2000 bitterly clinging to the fact that the rules say its delegates and not votes. falsely proclaiming a mandate when you didnt even with the most votes in the election. truely pathetic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 05/23/2008

A super delegate a day keeps Clinton away?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 05/23/2008

Gallup Daily: Obama 53%, Clinton 42%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 05/23/2008

well, at least that is good news. i just want everyone to finally come together and back the obvious candidate. we need to come together to defeat mccain. i think he is stronger than i originally thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 05/23/2008

there is something strange today. no supers for obama. any one know what is going on that could explain this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 05/23/2008

cowards are under bed until June 4

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/23/2008

A significant number of her rabid supporters are Republican plants.

Rush Limbaugh is bragging on his website that he is coaching her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 05/22/2008

O'Reilly + Rush = Oral-Thrush

nasty!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 05/23/2008

What you call a "plant" others call a crossover voter. Obama eagerly invites republicans to vote for him so whats the problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 05/23/2008

don't fool for rush's crap. he is doing nothing. he is all hot air

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 05/22/2008

Since he has so much money, he can just continue to buy them!

"Obama's political action committee has doled out more than $694,000 to superdelegates since 2005, the study found, and of the 81 who had announced their support for Obama, 34 had received donations totaling $228,000." (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/superdelegates.html)

This is from Feb. 14, 2008 so I'm sure it is a MUCH higher figure by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 05/22/2008

Clinton is spending her own money
and asking hard-working Americans to pay her back.

Obama is spending the money that hard-working Americans gave him.

see the dif.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 05/23/2008

Clinton does too....And?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 05/23/2008

I also can't help notice that 2005 was well before he declared his candidacy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 05/22/2008

So he plans ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 05/22/2008

So I read your article, and I can't help notice Clinton does this as well. This leads me to believe that it's normal for Dems to make campaign contributions in house. So Obama's crime is having more money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 05/22/2008

The more I research this the more I feel like, "yeah, his crime is paying more and buying more delegates." Obviously, it is not a crime and all candidates do it.

But it just says that one candidate is buying the election because his campaign has more money. Just doesn't seem democratic to me but I guess that is the American way, isn't it? Money talks and money buys power and position. I think it is just a sad commentary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 05/22/2008

WELL MR. OR MS. PUPBAYER I GUESS YOU DID NOT READ JUST 2 DAYS AGO WHEN SOMEONE FROM THE CLINTON CAMP JUST OFFERED ONE MILLION TO SOME SUPERS TO COME OUT FOR CLINTON AND THEY TURNED IT DOWN!

MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO POST.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 05/23/2008

And from ABC:

"And quantities may count.

'In cases where superdelegates had received contributions from both Clinton and Obama, all seven elected officials who received more money from Clinton have committed to her," the report states. "Thirty-four of the 43 superdelegates who received more money from Obama, or 79 percent, are backing him.'"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 05/22/2008

"Clinton's political action committee has distributed about $195,000 to superdelegates, and only 13 of the 109 who had announced for her have received money, totaling about $95,000."

Many on this site have accused her of buying delegates. And she has...13...the others had received no money from her. BUT so has he.

11.9% of her pledged delegates received money compared to 41.9% of his. I just found this interesting and thought you would, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 05/22/2008

i really don't think you can determine if they voted because of donations. i think this is a false logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 05/22/2008

Here's a great rebuttal to the "popular vote" myth that seems to be gaining steam... written by John Alter of Newsweek. A clear look at the numbers, without spin...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/138109/page/1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 05/22/2008

great article! thanks T

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 05/23/2008

PART 2:
In addition: By insisting on staying in the race when there's no possible math metric that even Hillary can fabricate or rationalize, and even when pressured (by superdelegates, etc) not to smear Obama with any further lies and/or dirty tactics, she's still doing damage everytime she drums into the minds of her supporters the myth that she's the better candidate to win against the Republicans in November.

While Obama proves again & again that he has gathered great enthusiasm & support among the middle-class 'white' vote, how many times has Hillary hypnotically repeated the thoroughly unsubstantiated statement that she's the only one capable of winning those 'hard-working-white-American votes against McCain -even though the popular vote, the pledged delegates, the swarm of superdelegates & even the polls completely defy the reasoning of that argument?

Hillary, whatever your personal, ego-motivated, self-serving agenda may be -to drag this race out 'into oblivion'...don't you have the integrity...or even a shred of moral decency left to see that you are now in a position where you are actually doing far more damage than good? If you truly do care about the good of the people -as well as the Democratic party- then surely you can see that continuing this race will only create more divisiveness & unwarranted prejudice against Barack Obama -in turn, giving McCain more momentum in November.

If there is any sincerity regarding your true support of the Democratic party, then please bow out gracefully -now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 05/22/2008

PART 1:

Hillary says that by staying in the race, she is not dividing the Democratic party, nor diverting votes to McCain? She also adamantly states she'll campaign & fight hard for the Democratic nominee, so as to assure a victory over the Republicans in the fall?

Yet, everytime she gives voice to allowing the Michigan & Florida votes, she not-so-subtly implies that Obama is the one standing in the way of these voter's rights. While playing into the paranoia of 'unfairness' & 'undemocratic vote-counting', she's creating division & outrage in their minds -implying that she's the only one championing for them -not Obama- as she chips away & sours their opinions about his character & integrity. Subsequently, come the general election -when she is long gone- the fall-out from such underhanded insinuations may well result in Obama being seen as the man who supposedly stood in the way of the voter's rights to be heard.

As most of us already know, this mess was not Obama's doing. Those states broke the primary rules, the voters knew their votes wouldn't be counted, the candidates ceased their campaigning (Obama wasn't even on Mich. ballot) & Hillary agreed to it all! Yet now that she has all but lost the race & is desperate to 'steal' votes wherever she can, she's conveniently spinning it all as if this whole mess is somehow Obama's fault?

How is that not being divisive? How does that not have a long-term negative impact on the Democraticnominee?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 05/22/2008

She probably paid them....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 05/22/2008

She did???????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 05/22/2008

Tomorrow Arkansas Add-on will be added. Hillary has so far every single AK Super that has comitted. She is getting benefit of hometown girl in 3 States - NY, AK, and PA. On top of that NJ must think they are part of NY because they are acting like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 05/22/2008

Chicken SD's are holding out for the Million offered by the Shrill and Bill.

Think about this....why are 'they' fighting so hard to get back in the White House and for the Presidency? What is it that they are looking to accomplish by being there, It couldn't be the Salary, so there is a modus operandi that they have that should be evaluated. They have done ever dirty trick, ever demeaning act and every unscrupulous deed to get back. Did they leave something there? Do we 'owe' them anything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 05/22/2008

How much did Clinton offer her?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 05/22/2008

Today has been tough for me.

Usually, on West Coast, I begin my day with Giant Mug of Coffee and clicking "reload" on BarackObama.com.

I always remember the count from previous day and almost every morning their are 2-3 new Super Delegate endorsements and the number needed to clinch nomination decreases.

Today has been a blank.

I need my One Super Del a day to keep Clintons away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 05/22/2008

Some just does not feel right today. The DNC lawsuit, the bragging on RushLimbaugh.com that Hillary has taken Rush's advice on how to make trouble in Florida, the sudden pause in superdelegates committing to Obama...

I smell back room deals, bribes and threats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 05/22/2008

I have been doing the same thing... Nothing to see there.... Something is wrong! Been seeing too many things erased, removed from Google, videos only coming from Europe about the 'gruesome twosome', which tells me that the Clinton Goons are up to censoring and controlling the press. Just as they did back in the 90's

For all intent and purposes, Hillary is history, yet, it is being re-written and supported by the goons of Rove. The 'storming' of the Convention is too familiar with the 'storming' of FLA voters

Seems to me Brown Shirts are in play here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 05/22/2008

Here is the math:

Obama:

16,676,346 votes
+ 334,084 caucus votes
+ 576,214 Florida votes
+ 142901 60% of uncommitted Michigan votes

17,729,545 total Obama votes

HRC

16,221,628 votes
+ 223,862 caucus votes
+ 870986 Florida votes
+ 328309 Michigan votes

17,644,785 total HRC votes

HRC trails Obama by 84,760 popular votes with remaining primaries in PR, MT and SD. She is likely to pick up 150-200,000 votes in PR and Obama will pick up 15,000 votes in MT and SD. He will have about a 100,000 vote lead before you factor in PR.

HRC will have the popular vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 05/22/2008

"HRC will have the popular vote."

Even if true, it doesn't matter. We pick the nominee using delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 05/23/2008

Here's a great rebuttal to your "math"...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/138109/page/1

Take the time to actually read it... you might change your mind on the popular vote meme you're pushing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 05/22/2008

it's a great article -- unfortunately, the people who SHOULD read it, will NOT.

denial is a powerful tool

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 05/23/2008

60% of uncommitted Michigan votes ?!

That's pretty generous of you.

Thanks, but no thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 05/22/2008

Once again:

Hillary cannot have 100% of the votes in Michigan where Obama was not on the ballot.

There are four caucus states you are not counting. Obama won three of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 05/22/2008