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JOHN WILEN | May 22, 2008 08:30 PM EST | AP

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A motorist fuels her vechicle prior to the Memorial Day weekend in Detroit, Thursday, May 22, 2008. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

NEW YORK — Americans getting an early start on the Memorial Day weekend found that gasoline prices again sprinted to a new record high overnight, reaching a national average above $3.83 a gallon. Some analysts predict gas will break past $4 as early as next week.

Oil prices, meanwhile, fell Thursday after setting a new trading record of $135.09 overnight. A stronger dollar gave some investors reason to sell oil futures to lock in profits from crude's record run. But concerns about falling supplies and rising demand are expected to keep propelling prices higher in the days and weeks to come.

Oil's surge is contributing directly to the pain consumers feel every time they fill up. At the pump, the average national price of a gallon of regular gas rose 2.4 cents overnight to $3.831, according to a survey of stations by AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. Prices are 61 cents higher than a year ago.

Unlike last year, oil prices are setting new record highs on a daily basis. That's pushing gas prices higher, and analysts see no reason for gas not to follow.

"We're going to blast past $4," said James Cordier, president of Tampa, Fla.-based trading firms Liberty Trading Group and OptionSellers.com.

Prices may rise as high as $3.90 on a national basis by this weekend, he said. Prices are already above $4 a gallon at many stations around the country, and are averaging more than $4 in California, New York and Illinois, among other states.

Oil prices rose to $135.09 a barrel in overnight electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange before retreating to settle down $2.36 at $130.81 a barrel by afternoon in New York.

Analysts said oil futures are caught between the supply and demand concerns that boosted crude to its latest record, and a desire by some investors to cash in some profits. The dollar, one of the factors that has fed oil's rally from about $65 a year ago, strengthened against the euro Thursday. When the greenback gains ground, commodities such as oil lose their value as hedges against inflation. Also, a stronger dollar makes oil more expensive to investors overseas.

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At times in a price runup that's added nearly $9 to a price of crude this week, and almost $16 over the past month, investors will sell to take profits, analysts said. Crude rose $4.19 a barrel on Wednesday alone.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency on Thursday said it is worried about whether there is enough oil to meet global demand, and is working on a review of the world's 400 largest oil fields that could lead to a major revision in its closely-watched forecasts.

"The market is really structurally tight ... oil demand is not growing that fast but supply is constrained," said Victor Shum, an energy analyst with Purvin & Gertz in Singapore.

Some analysts say crude has been boosted in recent days by especially strong demand for diesel in China, where power plants in some areas are running desperately short of coal after last week's earthquake, Kevin Norrish, an analyst with Barclays Capital PLC, said new data from China shows demand for diesel was already rising quickly before the disaster. Chinese diesel imports rose 9.2 percent in April compared to last year, Norrish wrote.

Still, many analysts argue that oil prices have risen far beyond levels that can be justified by supply and demand. This school of thought believes the dollar's decline has attracted speculators to oil and other commodities, artificially inflating prices. Some analysts see signs in the prices differences between the current July crude contract and contracts for delivery in future months that could mean oil prices are set to decline in coming months.

In other Nymex trading Thursday, June heating oil futures rose 4.59 cents to settle at a record $3.9543 a gallon after earlier rising to a trading record of $4.0153. Heating oil, which is closely related to diesel, is often traded as a proxy for diesel.

June gasoline futures fell 6.68 cents to settle at $3.3297 a gallon after rising earlier to their own trading record of $3.438. June natural gas futures rose 5.7 cents to settle at $11.697 per 1,000 cubic feet. The Energy Department said natural gas inventories rose last week by 85 billion cubic feet, in line with analyst estimates.

In London, July Brent crude futures fell $2.19 to settle at $130.51 a barrel on the ICE Futures Exchange.

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Associated Press Writer Pablo Gorondi in Budapest and AP Business Writer Thomas Hogue in Bangkok, Thailand, contributed to this report.

NEW YORK — Americans getting an early start on the Memorial Day weekend found that gasoline prices again sprinted to a new record high overnight, reaching a national average above $3.83 a gallon...
NEW YORK — Americans getting an early start on the Memorial Day weekend found that gasoline prices again sprinted to a new record high overnight, reaching a national average above $3.83 a gallon...
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smilodon1 said
Only problem with ANWR is that peak production will only last months and would have no impact on gasoline prices. Only republicanderthals don't seem to know this. Normal people understand.
Posted 03:48 PM on 05/22/2008

If you define "Normal people" to be ignorant or a propaganda sucker as yourself.

"The most probable quantity of ANWR oil is over 10 billion barrels, using today's extraction technology. Now we're talking about a 50-year supply, pumping at maximum capacity.

How can the Senate Majority Leader make such a misleading statement? Environmental organizations have twisted logic to divide the total daily U.S. oil consumption by the minimum estimated ANWR reserves, and concluded the supply would last only six months, totally disregarding the reality that there is no way to extract and distribute a supply to equal the total U.S. demand from any single source."

http://www.anwr.org/features/issues/wilderness-dev.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 05/22/2008

And who would be paying you? Let me guess... it starts with an "E" and ends on an "xonn".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 05/22/2008
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And who do you work for, let me guess...it starts with an "E" and ends on an "xonn".

Or is it for big Pharma company...or perhaps a company that serves both fields in some capacity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 05/22/2008

Remember what oil cost when Bush took office, remember Cheney's secret energy task force, remember, “oil would pay for the war”, remember the lack of enforcement of anti trust-laws, remember the lack of regulation of hedge funds. Remember the constanced filling of the STR, which has been at 97% since Bush took office, where is it going?

During the hearings last the out going CEO of Shell admitted that crude should cost $50 to $65 a barrel, that was the only direct ansure I heard, beside the statistic that oil consumption in the US has been flat since the 80s and the rise of China and India account for only a 2.5% increase in usage.

I believe in conserving, as well as alternate sources of energy, but in the short term we are being had and anyone who uses fuel to run a business and that includes farmers and trucking will be put out of business and a economic down fall well follow. New exploration on public land is 5 to 10 years away; I think it’s time to bust these mega companies up and get some competition going again. Teddy Roosevelt thought it was bully idea and so do I.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 05/22/2008
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

The energy crisis will end when they repeal the second law. Big Oil and Auto block this repeal and won't discuss. Even Congress avoids discussing repeal of the second law. Contact your congress person today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 05/22/2008

We should repeal the first law first. Then everybody could have their own personal perpetual motion machine!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 05/22/2008

Paying a lot for gas? Thank your Democrat Party.

"If Saudi Arabia were to increase its production by 1 million barrels per day that translates to a reduction of 20 percent to 25 percent in the world price of crude oil, and crude oil prices could fall by more than $25 dollar per barrel from its current level of $126 per barrel. In turn, that would lower the price of gasoline between 13 percent and 17 percent, or by more than 62 cents off the expected summer regular-grade price - offering much needed relief to struggling families. "
Chuck Schumer 5/13/2008

Regarding drilling in ANWR, it would "take ten years and reduce the price of oil by a penny."
Chuck Schumer 5/7/2008

Leaving aside the fact that if we began drilling in ANWR when first proposed - over 10 years ago ...
Everyone agrees ANWR can produce 1M barrels a day ... but it can't because NY can produce a partisan hack like Schumer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 05/22/2008
- smilodon1 I'm a Fan of smilodon1 7 fans permalink
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Only problem with ANWR is that peak production will only last months and would have no impact on gasoline prices. Only republicanderthals don't seem to know this. Normal people understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/22/2008

The sight of nature without a big oil rig sticking out of the ground is disturbing to most republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 05/22/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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"Thank your Democrat Party."

It's funny how someone can sound like an uncouth hayseed without ever hearing their voice. The rest of their uneducated tirade simply confirms one's obvious first impression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 05/22/2008
- scottarino I'm a Fan of scottarino 13 fans permalink
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Well, the Bush family has been in bed with the Saudi family for ages. Seems as if they could get the Saudis to help out a bit.......but then again maybe the Bush family does not want to help out US tax payers, maybe they would rather help out a powerful uber-rich oil family. THAT makes more sense today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/22/2008

What's your problem with not getting as much from the Saudis by developing our own?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 05/22/2008

1 million out of 85 million is... Are you smarter than a fifth grader?... less than 1.2%.

I don't know what Chuck Schumer is pulling those numbers out from... it must be some very important body part. He probably just makes them up as he goes or maybe he has someone to make them up for him. Any economist will tell you that one can not estimate the price reduction of oil based on these insignificant perturbations to the market.

Not everyone agrees that ANWR can produce that much. Some people hope optimistically that it might be that much. It might be much less. But if I were an oil company, I would take even 500,000 barrels a day at $400/gallon (the price when ANWR would come online) because that makes revenues of $200 million/day or $70 billion a year. Pretty cool business proposition for something that won't make the slightest dent into peak oil. I bet they have wet dreams over at Exxon already...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 05/22/2008
- TxAggie I'm a Fan of TxAggie 5 fans permalink

$400 a gallon, let's see that would be $17,600 per barrel. Kill- do you have some special talent to see into the future that the rest of the world doesn't have.

Why are you not out beating the drum to open up access to domestic drilling?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 05/26/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Thank your Republican party for high gas prices. If they had stayed the course Carter established, America would be well on its way to oil independence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 05/22/2008
- TxAggie I'm a Fan of TxAggie 5 fans permalink

What about that fellow named Bill Clinton that placed presidential moritoria on geologically promising areas throughout our country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 05/26/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Tax gas! A lot! Consumption and demand will drop and so will prices!

Then we can use the tax revenue to improve fuel efficiency, improve mass transit and research alternative energy.

Demand will drop more! Prices will drop too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 05/22/2008
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When gas reaches 8 dollars a gallon, and Exxon and other oil companies continue to make record profits not just every quarter, but every single day, they will claim their innocence. It's a farce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 05/22/2008

You forget that gas is $8/gallon in Europe already. Except, of course, that for the first $4 they get to build really nice roads and invest in future energy and transportation systems. We get to play "evade the pot hole" for our 18.4 cents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 05/22/2008
- studlyguy I'm a Fan of studlyguy 11 fans permalink

Why are we not rioting in the streets with the housing GREED and corruption,with the oil GREED and corruption ,how much more are the American people going to be able to take before the uprising.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 05/22/2008
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because I can pay my bills

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 05/22/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 171 fans permalink

...for the time being. How about when gasoline is $15/gal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 05/22/2008

You can pay your bills and you can still afford (you may not be poor but you sure sound stupid) to give a huge amount of money (yes its a huge transfer of capital, stupid) to the mega-oil corporations? Well, you must be very proud. I suppose that's something....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 05/22/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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"because I can pay my bills"

This is why Republicans are going away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 05/22/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 157 fans permalink

You have not yet begun to pay...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 05/22/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

Because I'm not that poor or stupid to do somthing like that, you sound like a spoiled little kid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 05/22/2008
- Fentwin I'm a Fan of Fentwin 4 fans permalink

Yes, lets all eat some cake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 05/22/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 157 fans permalink

Yeah, Vippy--What he said!!! You sound like a spoiled little kid--Or no, some kind of Unamerican Cut and Runner Commie rat bastard. You like France so much--go live there with your 6 weeks of paid vacation and unlimited pregnancy benefits and total health care and roads that don't turn to crap after a light fog. Yeah, that's right, go ride that bullet train to work everyday and enjoy that good espresso and fine cuisine and date those hot French chicks, because American chicks wouldn't date you anyway, looooooser. Yeah, just because they're not bogged down in some unwinnable illegal and immoral occupation of another sovereign country and haven't caused the deaths of untold hundreds of thousands doesn't make them better than us! Or that they have the guts to take to the streets--those cowardly croissant eaters--and speak their minds, well that's just wrong and you know it.

Us real Americans like Biased don't need any of that social stuff cuz we're rough tough Americans and we actually like taking it up the butt! So go to France where people still read and talk about art and philosophy and have ideas and aren't afraid to act on them. We're going back to Idol and Fox now because we're not quite totally full of crap yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 05/22/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 74 fans permalink

The French are out protesting because of the pension changes in their dock workers. We accuse the French of being cowards but they have the gall to riot and we just bend over for more.
Why don't we just not go to work for two days or more? We are cowards!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 05/22/2008

I've always said that if this were happening in any other nation in the world the leader of that nation would either be dead or running scared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 05/22/2008
- ajax2 I'm a Fan of ajax2 24 fans permalink
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scotterb, "OPEC is producing at capacity now,..."

OPEC members Nigeria, Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are not producing at capacity. scotterb is wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 05/22/2008

And the proof for that would be...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 05/22/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 35 fans permalink

Killthem,
this may come as a surprise to you, but the US military currently occupies Iraq, and thereby is preventing full production. The US is also engaged in an economic war against Iran, again thwarting full production by Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 05/22/2008
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Why should OPEC be giving us oil when we have the stuff right here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 05/22/2008
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

OPEC has very sophisticated computer models for pricing and production, thanks to USA think tanks. They have carefully calculated how to pillage the USA economy, just short of breaking. They can easily turn up or down the dial. This is a very direct effort to deeply damage the USA. But, Congress is not calling in OPEC. They call in the middle man who has no impact on OPEC production. Congress is again in the mode of show and no real action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 05/22/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 74 fans permalink

The world is flooded with oil. They even store it offshore because they no longer have facilties to house oil inventories. Our congress is at fault here for doing nothing when they quietly passed
HR 5660, the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 where they snuck in an additional 11,000 pages and created the ENRON Loophole, which is directly responsible for the high oil and gas prices, the housing collapse and the banking mess. This bill is directly responsible for the
meltdown, the deregulation of collaterialized debt obligations (CDO's). Prof. Michael Greenberger, a former board member of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, testified in front of congress on Dec 14 regarding this very subject and congress decided to DO NOTHING!
Don't even blame the oil companies, write to your congressman!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 05/22/2008
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This is YOUR fault people! I can walk to Stop and Shop and see people driving SUV's here in Roxbury, MA. Hell Teddy Kennedy rode back to Cape Cod in his SUV convoy and is now on a yatch but you want to restrict my energy use because "I'm not one of the beautiful people?"

Hybirds been on the market for 8 years plus, why dont YOU have one. Hell even the government (state/feds) gave out tax breaks for the shoeboxes so why havent you got yours! How many of you is taking the BUS? How many of you is living close to your jobs, maybe even in the gawd forbid, tha hood?

These gas prices is YOUR FAULT. I can just guess how many of you clowns are blaming Big Oil but why should the Saudis pump us more oil when we can pump our own? Oh and CAFE and Wind, Solar is still 10 years away! What are you going do about NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/22/2008

"What are you going do about NOW!"

The best way would be to increase gasoline taxes to a level commensurate with Europe. Not immediately, of course. We could phase a 50% gas tax in within five years and a 100% tax within seven or so. This would give everyone enough time to buy a new car. We could finally repair our roads and bridges and give everyone a high efficiency credit if they buy cars with >40mpg. At the same time we could make ANY car factory on US soil which makes these cars tax exempt. Toyota and Honda would put these things up in no time. Trust me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 05/22/2008
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They are also 35 MPH cars and a few 40 MPH cars... NEXT!

p.s. please dont bleep up my moms' pention at GM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 05/22/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

We can repair our roads and bridges right now you goof, they just decide to spend the money in other places. Instead of roads you get a Hippie, teapot or wild turkey museum.

Tell me 1 good reason to give the government more of your money to spend on things that are pointless to the American people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 05/22/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 74 fans permalink

Why when they have engines alreade that get 100 mpgs? Toyota RAV4 was battery powered, they got to produce 1500 of them when CHEVRON bought up all the batteries
and Toyota could not produce those anymore. They do that with all new inventions which save gas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 05/22/2008
- rh654 I'm a Fan of rh654 14 fans permalink

Excellent Points.

The oil companies only make money when we voluntarily use their product - and many, many people are using a lot more than they have to simply to drive the kids to soccer practice and pick up a gallon of milk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 05/22/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

Maybe if Hybrids weren't a status symbol 5 years ago and they didn't make them to look like spaceships people would have bought them. A hybrid would do me no good since I don't drive in the city and is a tiny tiny piece of the answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 05/22/2008

Toyota sells record numbers of the Prius BECAUSE it looks different. Honda now admits that not making their hybrids look distinct from their other cars cost them 80% of the market. They won't make that mistake again.

My Prius gets on average 47.7 mpg in the city and it gets 47.3 mpg on the highway. That hybrids are not efficient on the highway is a myth that I can't verify personally. But then, I drive 60mph tops on highways. If I drove 75mph or more, the answer would probably be different. So it's not really the hybrid that matters but how you are driving it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 05/22/2008

Because I like my Beamer.

Because 24 miles a gallon isn't all that bad.

Because I don't want to pay through the nose for one of those hybrids, which I think are ugly, lacking in power, style and fun factor...and which are environmentally unsound because the batteries will end up causing more harm than the reduced emissions help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 05/22/2008

OK... so you are wrong about the batteries (they are really small). But in everything else you are right. There is no reason why you should not drive the car you like. Plenty of people I know have a Porsche. A few have even better than that. Just for fun. Because they can afford it. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is people who can not afford driving an SUV at $4/gallon oil whining about it and demanding cheap fuel. It's like me whining that I can't afford to wear a $50,000 collectors watch. Should I start screaming about the abusive prices of the Swiss watch industry (and boy are they abusive!)? I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 05/22/2008

SFC,If you really own a BMW automobile, it's a Bimmer, if it's a BMW motorcycle it's a Beamer. Former E-46 owner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 05/22/2008

My god you really are mixed up. Did you vote for Pres. Gas? Or the Demoils? Saying its the people's fault for the price of gas is like saying the Holocaust was the Jew's fault. WHY DIDN'T THEY RESIST? THEY BROUGHT IT ON THEMSELVES! Same logic. Moron. Oil prices are high 'cause Prez Chimpy and Co. ARE THE OIL COMPANIES, and they are taking care of their own interests. From day one they hyped the Mideast crisis and so on. War war war terrorism terrorism terrorism. Fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 05/22/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 93 fans permalink
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Let's see a show of hands, does anyone else think these are a pack of lying, manipulative scumbags that should be laid out for madame guillotine?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/22/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 270 fans permalink

Bingo! IMMEDIATE Congressional investigations into OilCo profits AND Wall Street speculation. I figure each subpoena's worth about a $5 decrease in price-per-barrel. No telling what a few Contempt of Congress citations -- and some pokey time -- might accomplish!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 05/22/2008

No. But I will show my hand for you being a blood thirsty SOB.

Please, ladies and gentlemen. We are civilized! We don't call for killing people randomly. The French did that and see where it got them. Civilized countries, when they see abuse by businesses levy taxes and regulations on them. And that is what we should do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 05/22/2008
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Why don't you go sell your horsesh*t somewhere else? You fool no one; my guess is that CORPORATE SHILL is carved into your forehead...and it isn't, it should be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 05/22/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 270 fans permalink

Who said anything about "killing people randomly"?

Born without the figure-of-speech gene, huh, Cecil?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 05/23/2008
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

I think many will agree. Of course you are talking about the lying Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 05/22/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 35 fans permalink

Over the LONG-term, humanity's wasteful use of fossil fuel needs to change. And the US should have been leading the way, in earnest, for the past 20 years.
However, the recent spike in prices is due to:
Speculation,
enabled by secretive oligopoly control and
the neoCON Mideast invasions and wars.

Most of the recent rise in price is due to speculation, not supply shortage. (Of course, there is much less available supply due to the US invasion and occupation of Iraq, and the US economic war and sanctions against Iran. Further, extravagant debt-funded military expenditures have caused the dollar to decline, pushing the barrel dollar price upward. But those considerations only serve to demonstrate that CURRENT production levels are primarily due to political considerations, war and oligopoly, and NOT shortages due to a natural peak oil limit.)
There is a theoretical possibility of a price fall if/when the oil bubble bursts. Strongly mitigating AGAINST that possibility is the oil oligopoly's control of distribution and production. What may prove to be the greatest mitigating factor is the apparent growing likelihood of a Bush/Cheney attack on Iran.

HOW speculation is driving up prices
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9042

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 05/22/2008

In other words:

We made a mistake by not getting more efficient. It comes to haunt us. But we can find a cheap excuse why it was OK to make the mistake (it's all the speculators fault that we are suffering NOW and not later) and continue making it.

Rinse and repeat. Cool. I almost bought it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/22/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 35 fans permalink

Killthem,
if you want be the messenger, try getting the message straight before you attempt to interpret it..

Speculators, oligopoly, and war are compounding our energy (and other) problems.

And changing our wasteful use of fossil fuels does not mean becoming more efficient at wasting it, as we currently do, in warfare and profit-driven consumerism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 05/22/2008
- rh654 I'm a Fan of rh654 14 fans permalink

If Global Warming is the biggest threat to humankind (as many state it is) - then increasing oil prices should be cheered and the higher the better.

The more expensive oil becomes the less people will drive, the fewer SUV's will be sold, the more higher MPG vehicles will be sold, technology will go forward to create more efficient engines for larger trucks, semis, etc...

Companies will move towards increasing efficiency.

Alternative energy sources, including green will become more viable and more research dollars will flow into those areas.

If we really want to do something about global warming - increasing oil prices should be seen as fantastic news.

If we just want to pay lip service to global warming and wring our hands then we can't really complaining about global warming - because people won't change unless forced to - that's just the way humans are and the way Americans are to an even greater extent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 05/22/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

Anyone that cheers higher gas prices should be shot because this entire economy runs on cheap fuel and we aren't even close to being ready for a change to alternatives.

Cheap gas = good economy = good business = more jobs = more money

Expensive gas = poor economy = bad business = less jobs = poor people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 05/22/2008
- rh654 I'm a Fan of rh654 14 fans permalink

Hey - I am just telling reality about forcing something done about Global Warming.

Personally I am invested in the Energy Sector pretty heavily and am making more on those investments than the extra I am paying for gasoline.

Sure I would love to see gas prices go down - but then I don't want to hear whining about nothing being done about global warming.

Unfortunately the reality of human nature is that nothing will really change about global warming until something drastic happens (ala gas prices) to force change.

We will "never" be ready for alternatives unless forced to.

We were put on notice back in the 70's about gasoline and we never really changed.

So after almost 40 years if we don't change we won't change unless forced.

Besides people will adapt - they just won't be driving 8 MPG trucks in the future and it is not like we haven't seen this coming...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/22/2008

Agreed. These extreme left wing nutjobs seem to want to push this country into a Great Depression v. 2.0. They are so shortsighted they can't see the forest from the trees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 05/22/2008

So now you are threatening people who don't agree with you with death?

Did your Mom tell you when you were little that was OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 05/22/2008

Poorly thought out and frankly ignorant argument.

Type CTRL-F, enter swinging, and hit enter a few times until you come up with a post that details why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/22/2008
- rh654 I'm a Fan of rh654 14 fans permalink

So do you have relevant counter arguments or just typing for fun?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 05/22/2008

Had to pick one line specifically out, as well:

"
Companies will move towards increasing efficiency"

You're absolutely right. They'll look to outsource more jobs to countries with cheaper oil costs. Any jobs they can't outsource they'll look to simply use as an excuse to downsize labor (read: Jobs)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 05/22/2008

The USA needs to conserve, develop new energy sources, apply renewables when and where economically feasible, drill proven additional oil and gas resources, allow the construction of new petroleum refiners, increase the use of coal and build more nuclear power plants. In the short run, there isn't much to be done to lower energy prices since the USA has been stopped from developing needed resources for so long. It is an interesting juxtaposition that the same politicians who just insisted that freeing up 70,000 barrels of oil a day will decrease gasoline prices also claim increasing US production by millions of barrels a day will do nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/22/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

You must not be a far left liberal because you make actual sense . . . now try and explain that to the goofballs in Washington.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 05/22/2008
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If they only had a brain. In the morning this adminisration could send crude to the bottem of the barrel.
Offer 20% of the S.P.R. (140,000,000)barrels to domestic refiners for domestic resale only at $45.00 per barrel. This will swell the already record inventories and create true competition on the monopoly game of the Oil/weapons barons. This is oil we have already bought and paid for and can create real impact in the right direction now.
Take the $6,000,000,000 generated from these sales and fund an instant rebate program to buyers of vehicles with 50mpg or more on a sliding scale of $5,000- $10,000 per starting art the 50mpg level. (by the way I don't think we will even have takers for all 140 million barrels and that will tell you more about the short supply lie). Create jobs from this opportunity in the energy efficiency business. Match the $6B revenues and fund hydrogen separation generators and wind and solar manufacturer startup facilities using NASA / SBA as the technical oversight entity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 05/22/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 270 fans permalink

"But concerns about falling supplies and rising demand are expected to keep propelling prices higher in the days and weeks to come."????

BULLSHIT!

‘Perhaps 60% of today’s oil price is pure speculation’

by F. William Engdahl
Global Research, May 2, 2008

"... given the unchanged equilibrium in global oil supply and demand over recent months amid the explosive rise in oil futures prices traded on Nymex and ICE exchanges in New York and London it is more likely that as much as 60% of the today oil price is pure speculation. No one knows officially except the tiny handful of energy trading banks in New York and London and they certainly aren’t talking."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

and:

"OPEC member Iran is storing about 25 million barrels of heavy crude oil in tankers in the Persian Gulf. The country expects to move the stored crude by the end of the second quarter or early in the third quarter, an official from the National Iranian Oil Co. said Wednesday.

"In other words, there is so little demand that they have completely used up their on shore storage capacity and don't expect to clear this inventory until October. Clearly it is time for Senator Byron Dorgan's Bill to raise commodity margin requirements. All of this talk from our President and others about third world growth being responsible for dramatically higher commodity prices is nonsense."

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/14/speculation_oil_prices/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 05/22/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 35 fans permalink

Stillamused
agreed
the thin deceptions of bush, EXXON, et al combined with the gullibility of their worshippers is laughable.
Unfortunately, the unfolding catastrophe is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/22/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 157 fans permalink

Still, excellent links--keep them coming!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 05/23/2008
- balance I'm a Fan of balance 9 fans permalink

It seems the republicans & the Oil corps are exploiting the "skyrocketing" cost of oil, as much as possible, holding ANWR and gulf drilling AS A PANACEA THAT WILL MAGICALLY SOLVE America's fuel problems.

"Coincidently" 4$ gas, is being used as a big piece of leverage by the right-wing & oil corps, to get more red carpet oil concessions. This brings to mind how, then Governor, Gray Davis, was pressured to sign extremely exploitative, profit gouging electricity contracts in the midst of rising electricity costs engineered by the CA Energy Crisis-Conspiracy.

The Right-wing does not admit the truth that Oil is a dead end solution to our fuel problems, and overplays the effect of ANWR. ANWR would be a temporary bandaid that would only start producing after a few years. It does not address the problem that Oil is a finite resource, that it contributes to Global Warming/Climate Change, and that a majority of the price increases in Oil is due to speculation and financial manipulation, and the vulnerability of OIl to geopoltical machinations as an instrument of power, profit & reprisal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/22/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

If China is drilling 50-90 miles off the coast of Florida, I see no reason why we shouldn't be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 05/22/2008

Because, unlike you, the Chinese do not have a stupid embargo policy against Cuba? Now there's a thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 05/22/2008
- balance I'm a Fan of balance 9 fans permalink

Well, if Bush Jr. & the right-wing allowed the passage of higher CAFE standards, conservation incentives, and initiated tough Justice Department investigations (as well as using the CIA to investigate the international trading) tracing manipulative actions in the Oil futures markets, among many other measures additionally involving conservation & alternatives, then perhaps that would pop the oil bubble.
But Bush Jr & Cheney, the oil men, control the Justice Department & the CIA.

Even passage of the Kyoto Global Warming treaty, a few years ago, would have pre-emptively blunted bandwagon-style speculation in the price of oil.

What's wrong is that the right-wing and the oil corp henchmen, WILL ONLY ALLOW oil concessions as the option. That or nothing.

Even though there are tons of problems being reliant on this energy source, and that it doesn't really solve problems. -- It only provides more juicy profits for the oil industry.

So it's a dodge, and a play to leverage the crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/22/2008
- TxAggie I'm a Fan of TxAggie 5 fans permalink

Unbias view- do some research on the EGOM and Florida's successful fight to thwart offshore dilling. Look up Destin Dome where Chevron discovered a TCF of gas and was not allowed to produce it-. That is politics- yes foreign counturies can drill closer to Florida in Cuban waters than american Companies drill in the Gulf of Mexico. Our Federal lands are off limits ot exploration, that is why we import over 60% of our curde and we have trade deficit problems- your government at work. Please write your elected officials and rasie hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 05/26/2008
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