Unapologetic Hagee Says Hitler Statement Was "Mischaracterized"

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First Posted: 05-22-08 12:40 PM   |   Updated: 05-30-08 05:12 AM

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Pastor John Hagee said on Thursday that his controversial sermon, in which he said Hitler was fulfilling God's will for a state of Israel, had been "intentionally mischaracterized" and constituted a "gross example of bias." In a statement to The Huffington Post, he did not apologize for or distance himself from the sermon, saying simply that he had long grappled with how God "who controls what happens here on earth" could allow the Holocaust.

"To assert that I in any way condone the Holocaust or that monster Adolf Hitler is the biggest and ugliest of lies," Hagee wrote. "I have always condemned the horrors of the Holocaust in the strongest of terms. But even more importantly, my abhorrence of the Holocaust and anti-Semitism has never stopped with mere words."

The Huffington Post, which reported the story after it was first revealed by Talk To Action's Bruce Wilson, never wrote that Hagee condoned the Holocaust. Rather, the story, highlighting a more than two-minute section from the Reverend's sermon, The Battle of Jerusalem, noted that Hagee had posited that Adolph Hitler had been a "hunter" who was tasked with expediting God's will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.

In the passage in question, Hagee used biblical verse to make the argument that God's will had its influence on Nazism. His own words are below:

"'And they the hunters should hunt them,' that will be the Jews. 'From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the holocaust, you can't see that.


"Theodore Hertzel is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew who at the turn of the 19th century said, this land is our land, God wants us to live there. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said 'I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.' So few went that Hertzel went into depression. Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the holocaust.

"Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

In his statement, which was provided by Hagee's New York-based PR firm, 5W Public Relations, the pastor cited his career devotion "to ensuring that there will never be a second Holocaust."

"I have traveled the country teaching Christians to love the Jewish people and stand with Israel," he wrote. "Our ministry has given over $30 million for humanitarian causes in Israel. I founded Christians United for Israel to bring together all pro-Israel Christians into a movement that can support Israel during these very challenging times."

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But Hagee, in the past, has made equally controversial remarks regarding Hitler and the Holocaust. As Wilson noted, in Hagee's 2006 book "Jerusalem Countdown," the Reverend proposed the theory that "anti-Semitism, and thus the Holocaust, was the fault of Jews themselves -- the result of an age old divine curse incurred by the ancient Hebrews through worshiping idols and passed, down the ages, to all Jews now alive." He also wrote that "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."

Hagee's end-of-days evangelicalism, which holds that the Armageddon will come only when the Kingdom of Israel is established, has made him one of the country's most strident proponents of a strong U.S.-Israel relationship. He has advocated for an aggressive war with Iran and has opposed any Israeli military withdrawal from the West Bank.

In his statement, Hagee noted that: "I have traveled the country teaching Christians to love the Jewish people and stand with Israel. Our ministry has given over $30 million for humanitarian causes in Israel. I founded Christians United for Israel to bring together all pro-Israel Christians into a movement that can support Israel during these very challenging times.

"Many people have responded to the horrors of the Holocaust by abandoning their faith in a sovereign God. I, like many other Christians and Jews, have maintained my faith while seeking answers in the Bible for why this atrocity happened."

Also on Thursday, the Interfaith Alliance, a religious group claiming nearly 200,000 members, released a statement calling on Sen. John McCain to reject Hagee's remarks. "Senator McCain needs to tell the American people that he refutes these absurd and offensive comments that breed hate and send the wrong signal about America to the international community," the statement reads. "There is no place in public discourse for religious or political leaders to espouse this narrow-minded thinking and hatred."

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- lewes17266 I'm a Fan of lewes17266 10 fans permalink
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Well, I once had a pastor who said God sent me to bless him and to take his place. He got caught in sin and needed a scapegoat....which he said was me. I swear this happened to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 05/23/2008

Clinton has taken Kentucky and Obama is right there in Oregon.
The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates – as CNN points out clearly

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

Obama Supporters:

Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...

Clinton Supporters too …. !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 05/23/2008
- egal I'm a Fan of egal 13 fans permalink
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Um, you do realize that these superdelegates have real concerns, like our nation's political, economic, and social futures on which to base their votes, right?

At this point, a switch TO Clinton would be asinine. The woman has proven herself willing to focus on trifles, to change drastically, to lie, to ignore relevant and expert information, to stoke fears and doubts and racist tenstions, and to use blacklisting cries of "sexism!" in order to try to guilt or literally blackmail enough people into supporting her that she can win.

We want a first female president who is the most competent candidate, with the best policies, the best judgment, the most interest in helping the small people, the least historic corruption, the mostintelligent and open consideration of issues, and in general just the best option.

What we have right now is a wannabe female presidential candidate who is embodying everything that sexists believe about women and stirring bunches of other women to support her in claims of injustice and mistreatment and favoritism against her. Those who respect her believe what she says even though it's patently ridiculous, selfish, and victimizing. This is simply because cognitive dissonance ensures they only believe what makes their current beliefs and actions seem good, and because sociology reveals how desperately most people will follow even reprehensible orders as long as they are received from an authority figure--the more trusted, the further they'll go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 05/24/2008

http://www.pubrecord.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=8

501(c)3 Violating, Obama Bashing Message from Pentagon Connected Ministry

By Chris Rodda
The Public Record
May 22, 2008

Published in : Nation/World

The almost incomprehensible attack on Barack Obama below is excerpted from a "Sermon of the Month" by Dr. Cecil Todd, founder of Revival Fires International, a 501(c)3 ministry which, "at the request of the Chief Chaplains of the Pentagon," has been shipping Bibles to Iraq, via military airlift, since 2003.

Excerpts from "Who I Want In The White House!"
By Dr. Cecil Todd

Today, a fierce political battle rages across our nation, as once again the American people will be choosing who will lead our country as President, for the next four years!

The top contenders in this race are Hillary Clinton, Barack Hussein Obama and John McCain -- all three of these Presidential wannabe"s are U.S. Senators..

As a servant of the most high God, I beg you, "Do not vote for a "baby-killer," or a promoter of the homosexual life-style or someone who will sell-out our freedoms as a nation and as Christians! That does narrow down the candidates!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 05/22/2008

wouldn't it be nice to have hagee and wright debate about who is right with god.one support israel and the other does not.that will very interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 05/22/2008

They do debate it every Sabbath Day! One preaches that Jesus Christ the Nazorean, is the Messiah, God's only Son, The only way to the Father is through Him. He preaches that Jesus Christ, born in Behtlehem, was a Rabbi, taught in the synagouge's in Israel, performed more miracles than is able to be expressed, was betrayed by one of His followers, was tortured and murdered for no crime. He preaches that Jesus Christ died, was buried and three days later actually rose from the dead.

Pastor Hagee also preaches that Jesus Christ, by doing what He did, earned for all mankind, a forgiveness for all sin; provided they repent and accept the Father, His Son Jesus and understand and accept the Holy Spirit. By doing so, any human that accpets Jesus, IS SPARED FOR THE WRATH OF GOD THE FATHER, for Adam and Eve's Sin and rejection of God. Pastor Hagee preaches One God, in three Divine Persons, Forgiveness of sins and the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.

Pastor Jereimah Wright, according to his web site and the few spots where he preaches, social activism, empowerment of African American peoples only, and does not Preach, that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.


The second most wonderful thing that our Creator has done for us, He also invented or brought into being; Free Will. You are totally free to reject God or accept Him.

It's up to you to decide, and BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR, your decisions!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/24/2008
- mitch4822 I'm a Fan of mitch4822 3 fans permalink

Hello, folks: God, as sovereign , sometimes allows circumstances in order to to straighten poeple out, especially those who go on as if they are the masters of their fate. Rev. Hagee is a Christian, and he is trying to explain his understanding of the Scriptures re the "last days" and of how and why the Jews were persecuted by Hitler. In Peter's wirting to the Jews "scattered abroad," their faith became stronger whilst being persecuted; again, at times God allows people to go through trials for his glory (to turn them back to the one true God.)
( i.e., God used King Nebuchanazzer of Babylon, the Assyrians, Egypt, and a host other nations to chasten the Jewish nation for their idolatry and disobedience... When they asked His forgiveness he always forgave them and is till forgiving anyone who asks for His forgiveness of thier sins.
Lets not be too harsh with Rev. Hagee, the Scripture declares: "the natural man does not understand the things of God, they are foolishness to him." meaning: (Only spiritual people can discern/understand spiritual things) Its no use Rev. Hagee try to explain to the world what he meant, they will not understand..only Christians have a clue.
The Scripture declares that theJewish nation will suffer persecution until Crhist returns; this is what Rev. Hagee means, now don't tell me I am anti-Semitic. I am stating my own understanding of the Sfriptures. I love the Jewish people; Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 05/22/2008

If a god would allow newborn babies to be thrown into crematory ovens, followed immediately by their mothers; if a god would allow small children to be forced to squat all day in a field, in the hot sun, then shot as the sun set; if a god would allow entire villages, even infants and toddlers, to be machine gunned; if a god would allow millions of human beings to be enslaved to grease the machinery of a war-making, corporatist economy; if a god would allow any of that, then that god is a piss-ant and not worthy of a scintilla of respect, let alone worship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 05/22/2008
- FatJoe I'm a Fan of FatJoe 2 fans permalink

We don't love you back. You will never understand Jewish culture until you understand that 99% of us are smart enough not to treat Bronze Age campfire myths that PEOPLE told each other as the literal "Word of G-d."

You will never actually love Jewish culture until you join the grand majority of us (and I hope the majority of practicing Christians) in treating as few things as possible as sacrosanct, in questioning all authority, especially folks who allege that they have divine authority. Baruch Spinoza is a far more important Jewish prophet than any of those ancient maniacs who wandered around a desert region that seems to drive everyone who goes there absolutely nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 05/22/2008
- cuchulain I'm a Fan of cuchulain 54 fans permalink

Spinoza rocks. As the young kids might say. Have you read Rebecca Goldstein's Betraying Spinoza. Excellent book. He was an intellectual hero, and walked the walk. Risked his life to remain true to the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 05/22/2008

To glaze, cuchulain & FatJoe --

Brilliant posts, all 3 of you. Saved me a bunch of typing, and increased my perpective. Thanks, and keep spreading the TRUE "good word".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 05/22/2008
- cuchulain I'm a Fan of cuchulain 54 fans permalink

Personally, I am baffled that anyone would want to worship the god of the bible, if they believe he actually did the things those myths and legends say he did. I can understand getting a lot from the bible, if a person takes those myths and legends AS myths and legends, searches for metaphor, poetry, allegory and so on. But if a person believes there actually was a genocide at Jericho as described, if a person really believes their god did all of those sick things to Job, or "hardened Pharaoh's heart" to prolong the death and destruction of Jew and Egyptian alike, why would ANYONE worship such a god?

And the above is only a small part of it. All told, if one believes in the literal truth of the bible stories, their god is responsible for the slaughter of millions, often for no other reason than an angry, vindictive, jealous fit. Add to all of that "Judgment Day," and a literalist actually worships the king of all genocidal maniacs, as billions of human beings will be murdered . . . . most of them simply for believing in other deities or in no deity.

Again, why would ANYONE worship such a horrible being? I think it says far more about the believer than about the stories themselves. If a person takes them literally, they really have no way out. That means they actually worship a genocidal madman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 05/22/2008
- glaze I'm a Fan of glaze 6 fans permalink
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You know, I wouldn't care if you worshipped sugared cigarrette butts. Real history, not just Holy Book stories, shows that the problems begin when 'enlightened' zealots force their beliefs (political, religious, whatever) on some others. I DARE you to find any conflict in history that didn't use this pattern.
I DARE you to try reading something besides the bible and any related claptrap. I could write a book too, and claim it as the only TRUTH. And MY book would have the same objective claim to the truth as YOURS. "MINE was written by God! How do I know? MY BOOK SAYS SO! LOOK, IT'S RIGHT HERE ON PAGE 21! THAT PROVES IT!"
Let me clue you in to something: most so-called deeply religious people are deluded fantasists, suffering the attacks and temptations of the Evil One (boogie, Boogie, BOOGIE!!!) all their lives, on the promise that their Supreme Being will make those bad ol' bad guys suffer... in the NEXT world, of course... You're pretty much on your own till then. "You guys will get YOURS! (SNIFF, SNIFF) You'll see!"
Bearded Invisible Man Worship? Been there, done that, nothing to see here. Keep your sugared cigarette butts to yourself. I mean it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 05/22/2008
- darthmaul I'm a Fan of darthmaul 22 fans permalink

This guy is a nut case, plain and simple. Give him money and power and the right circustances, and you have the equivalent of Osama bin Laden. It's just another side of the Zealot coin. I've heard this guy talk. Everything he says he justifies with the bible. I'm sure it's selective to support his views. These people are dangerous and why the founders wanted a separation between church and state

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 05/22/2008
- lainey I'm a Fan of lainey 52 fans permalink

God is love. God is love. God is love. Anything to the contrary isn't of Him. Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 05/22/2008

And God knows you'll find a lot of that here. Well, until you disagree with someone. Then you are the devil incarnate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 05/22/2008
- Raymondf I'm a Fan of Raymondf 4 fans permalink

Vrey well said.lainey

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 05/22/2008
- Binx101 I'm a Fan of Binx101 30 fans permalink
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Indeed.

For precisely what you just said - if you cannot observe that loving distinction - from a religious party - the obvious answer is they are lying and pretending to be religious. You said if very simply. You are wise and correct.

I have been in the company of religious people on their turf, around the globe. I'm talking about living in their homes and existing in their existence. The John Hagees - The Rod Parsleys - even I'm said to the insane Pat Robertson who used to be a fine teacher - the combatant and extremist mullahs - the violently cheering rabbi's - all are the anti-thesis of the brand the pretend to represent.

My word was purposely selected because their existence has little to do with God.

The most invigorating conversations I have ever had were with truly religious people. I'm not particularly religious, although I have much greater theological training than the average bear. That being said - Lainey's comment speaks volumes.

A day will come, when a National dope-slap moment will occur as people from Coast to Coast are rescued from the National Hypnosis that has hidden behind the tenets of Christianity and Conservatism. They're going to find out they 've been robbed of their dignity and their money and they are going to be very angry - because even when they knew better they were afraid to step away.

Binx101
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 05/22/2008
- Stokes I'm a Fan of Stokes 8 fans permalink

Hagee, Bush , Cheney and McCain ought to read in the Book of Habakkuk chapter 2 verses 8-12
" Since you have plundered many nations all that remains of peoples will plunder you, for you have shed men's blood and ravished the country , the city and all who live in it. Trouble is coming to the man who grossly exploits others for the sake of his house to fix his nest on high and so evade the hand of misfortune. You have contrived to bring shame on your house by making an end of many peoples you have worked your own ruin for the stone from the very walls cries out and the beam responds from the framework. Trouble is coming to the man who builds a town with blood and founds a city on crime."

( There is more to scripture than the Book of Revelation. Our Heavenly Father, God of Love, loves all of His children. Jew or non-Jew.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 05/22/2008

That said, Its just another great reason to not trust in government or humanity. I'll take God every time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 05/22/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 177 fans permalink
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Introduce me (literally, that is, not metaphorically... I want to shake hands) and I'll take him too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 05/23/2008

the whole gist of Hagee's position in the modern evangelical church is nonsense. can't anyone challenge the premise of what it is he stands for??? the revelation of st john has already happened .... the Christian church has dominated the world for the last 1000 years, it's enemy (the Roman Empire) - defeated. We are not to be caught up in the air to be with God (the rapture) - that is a Christian myth. We can wait for the anti-Christ forever, but in a script that is just full of metaphors, it's not exactly clear where this individual will appear - if at all. One cannot give the reigns of education on this matter to a classic bible thumper like Hagee. He knows exactly what he's doing... look at the starry eyes of his congregation. Do you know that they are actually pushing a "inside the life of" on this guy?? - talk about the cult of personallity. Look at that pathetic kid of his that's following in Daddy's footsteps. Are these comments a little harsh? - you bet - do they deserve it? absolutely. Should McCain have cut him loose? - yup. Do I love Jesus? - with all my heart...and that's why I'm attacking Hagee... like the money changers in the temple - God hates to be miss -represented. And that is what Hagee does - and I hate it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 05/22/2008
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dwcolda,
why should I read anything that was written in the past by men with long beards and fruitful minds.
The books is just that much wishful thinking how the world should be that was created by God.
What garbage.
if there was such a God, why than did He create animals that live by killing other animals.
Why would he have allowed 800 000 people to be slaughtered in Rwanda in 90 days.
Don't give me that crap that they have sinned.
The worst people on earth are Christians and Moslems who, under the name of God have killed millions of people.
I am ashamed to live in this age where human beings find it necessary to kill each other.
We can only begin to hold our heads up when all killing stops.
You don't even adhere to the commandment "Thou shall not kill" because you are nothing but a blood lusting cave man.
I believe in nature, that is my church.
President Bush is a cold blooded killer for the sake of power and oil.
McxCain will follow in his footsteps if he would win the election.
We dems have enough of the reps running the country in the ground and are not ashamed to have their war in Iraq financed by Chinese money; how low can you sink.
The EU as well as Russia and China will surpass the US as world power and the US will be a fourth runner up unless the democrats take over

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 05/22/2008
- bobwalters I'm a Fan of bobwalters 42 fans permalink

I think CommanderWhitehead is onto something! I have NO problem with people believing whatever the hell they want to believe about a deity, end-times, holy retribution, or any of that other Revelation mumbo-jumbo. Just keep it out of the government, as you would keep any other contagious disease out of the public sphere...and keep it on a sufficiently short leash as to absolutely prevent any ability to impose it on anyone other than those who choose to believe it.
Get rid of its obscene tax exemptions! At one time in the recent past, the Roman Catholic Church was the richest corporation in the world -- a status achieved and sustained by significantly un-Christian means. Presumably, the Southern Baptist Convention and the LDS/Mormon Churches were/are not far behind. The so-called "mega-churches" -- fundamentalist/right-wing reactionary, theocracy-advocating institutions -- (see the Pat Roberson/Jerry Foulwell goups) are all about money, power and social control -- not religion...except the religion of war, empire and the almighty dollar, peso, bolivar, real, pound, shekel, rupee, ruble, whatever!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 05/22/2008
- repearwo I'm a Fan of repearwo 50 fans permalink
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It is hard when you have to live by the same standards that you impose on others. Hagee sets in his studio babbling all kind of opinions dressed to look like theology with no consequence. If you comb through his absurd interpretation of the Bible over the years you will find nuggets like him saying that the European Commonwealth, then only 10 members was the Antichrist mentioned as I believe a 10 headed beast or some such nonsense. Then there were 11. Oops.

People like Hagee thrive on the willing ignorance of a large part of the public. He does not speak the word of God, it is not even theology, it is propaganda pure and simple using God as the Transference figure to confer authority upon the garbage he spews.

People like Hagee and Pat Robertson are messengers of Hate. Where there is Hate God does not abide. What is of God is of Love and what is not of Love is not of God.

People who are disenfranchised by the political system, and people left behind in the rising tide of corporate wealth, seek some hope for the future and this charlatan offers them a false promise of heaven and takes what little money they have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 05/22/2008

What this country needs is an atheist President. I'd much rather have a leader who is guided by awesome logic and awesome reason than one who is guided by an awesome god.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 05/22/2008

Medvedev has room for you over there in the former Soviet Union and I bet Kim Jong mentally is taking apps too if you like.

Well, bye!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 05/22/2008

No thanks. I'm an American and I like it that way. I'll play the hand I'm dealt. I'm not saying that I wouldn't vote for someone who believes in a god, only that I'd like to have the chance to vote for someone who doesn't. We have a long, long way to go before we evolve to that level of rationality and intelligence.

We live in a violent, chaotic, unpredictable universe. That frightens a lot of people (not me--I embrace the chaos and surf it like a wave) so they create gods and cling to them in fear, hoping that their gods will protect them. It's kind of like how people reflexively put their hands in front of their faces in car crashes, thinking that will save them. It won't. Neither will spooks and phantoms.

As for your good bye, it's rather premature. Unless you're willing to kill me (and you're welcome to try), I'm going to be here for a long, long time. At least that's the plan. Chaos and uncertainty may intervene. Oh well, it was a good ride.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 05/22/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 177 fans permalink
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I'm with you. I see your comment has already brought an extremist out of the woodwork before I got here! Probably a lot more will be calling you (and me!) "comrade" before the day is much older!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 05/22/2008
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where can I vote for such a President ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 05/22/2008
- faust2001 I'm a Fan of faust2001 3 fans permalink

Just makes me prouder to be an atheist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 05/22/2008
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Power to the people faust2001.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 05/22/2008

Amen!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 05/22/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 177 fans permalink
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Me too... God bless us atheists!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 05/22/2008
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As a dedicated Atheist I, nevertheless have to make the following observation:

With friends like John Hagee, God doesn't need any enemies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 05/24/2008
- billkarwin I'm a Fan of billkarwin 24 fans permalink
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I think it was Stevie Wonder who said, "You believe in things that you don't understand, and you suffer. Superstition ain't the way."

Hagee is operating from the premise that everything that happens on earth carries God's stamp of approval. He doesn't consider that there might be exceptions to this rule.

You don't have to abandon your faith in God's sovereignty to accept that the Holocaust was the act of evil men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/22/2008
- jazkiljok I'm a Fan of jazkiljok 3 fans permalink

i'm beginning to think if God's got a plan- it's safer not to be in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 05/22/2008

It is a personal choice. You don't have to. Put your HOPE in government. They surely won't fail you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/22/2008

I put my hope in me. I put my hope in the people I love and trust. I put my hope in the things that I know to be true and reliable. That leaves gods and governments out of the picture. I am my own god.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 05/22/2008
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At least the government exists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 05/22/2008
- Raymondf I'm a Fan of Raymondf 4 fans permalink

you must be an atheist then

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 05/22/2008
- little I'm a Fan of little 3 fans permalink

Let's see, in 2000 Mccain harshly criticized Hagee, fast-forward to 2000 and he begs for his endorsement, now he denounces him again?!! What gives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 05/22/2008

It was a ruse to appease the evangelical base. We were not fooled by it anyway. Most of us have no respect for McCain anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 05/22/2008
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