Unapologetic Hagee Says Hitler Statement Was "Mischaracterized"

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First Posted: 05-22-08 12:40 PM   |   Updated: 05-30-08 05:12 AM

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Pastor John Hagee said on Thursday that his controversial sermon, in which he said Hitler was fulfilling God's will for a state of Israel, had been "intentionally mischaracterized" and constituted a "gross example of bias." In a statement to The Huffington Post, he did not apologize for or distance himself from the sermon, saying simply that he had long grappled with how God "who controls what happens here on earth" could allow the Holocaust.

"To assert that I in any way condone the Holocaust or that monster Adolf Hitler is the biggest and ugliest of lies," Hagee wrote. "I have always condemned the horrors of the Holocaust in the strongest of terms. But even more importantly, my abhorrence of the Holocaust and anti-Semitism has never stopped with mere words."

The Huffington Post, which reported the story after it was first revealed by Talk To Action's Bruce Wilson, never wrote that Hagee condoned the Holocaust. Rather, the story, highlighting a more than two-minute section from the Reverend's sermon, The Battle of Jerusalem, noted that Hagee had posited that Adolph Hitler had been a "hunter" who was tasked with expediting God's will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.

In the passage in question, Hagee used biblical verse to make the argument that God's will had its influence on Nazism. His own words are below:

"'And they the hunters should hunt them,' that will be the Jews. 'From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the holocaust, you can't see that.


"Theodore Hertzel is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew who at the turn of the 19th century said, this land is our land, God wants us to live there. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said 'I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.' So few went that Hertzel went into depression. Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the holocaust.

"Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

In his statement, which was provided by Hagee's New York-based PR firm, 5W Public Relations, the pastor cited his career devotion "to ensuring that there will never be a second Holocaust."

"I have traveled the country teaching Christians to love the Jewish people and stand with Israel," he wrote. "Our ministry has given over $30 million for humanitarian causes in Israel. I founded Christians United for Israel to bring together all pro-Israel Christians into a movement that can support Israel during these very challenging times."

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But Hagee, in the past, has made equally controversial remarks regarding Hitler and the Holocaust. As Wilson noted, in Hagee's 2006 book "Jerusalem Countdown," the Reverend proposed the theory that "anti-Semitism, and thus the Holocaust, was the fault of Jews themselves -- the result of an age old divine curse incurred by the ancient Hebrews through worshiping idols and passed, down the ages, to all Jews now alive." He also wrote that "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."

Hagee's end-of-days evangelicalism, which holds that the Armageddon will come only when the Kingdom of Israel is established, has made him one of the country's most strident proponents of a strong U.S.-Israel relationship. He has advocated for an aggressive war with Iran and has opposed any Israeli military withdrawal from the West Bank.

In his statement, Hagee noted that: "I have traveled the country teaching Christians to love the Jewish people and stand with Israel. Our ministry has given over $30 million for humanitarian causes in Israel. I founded Christians United for Israel to bring together all pro-Israel Christians into a movement that can support Israel during these very challenging times.

"Many people have responded to the horrors of the Holocaust by abandoning their faith in a sovereign God. I, like many other Christians and Jews, have maintained my faith while seeking answers in the Bible for why this atrocity happened."

Also on Thursday, the Interfaith Alliance, a religious group claiming nearly 200,000 members, released a statement calling on Sen. John McCain to reject Hagee's remarks. "Senator McCain needs to tell the American people that he refutes these absurd and offensive comments that breed hate and send the wrong signal about America to the international community," the statement reads. "There is no place in public discourse for religious or political leaders to espouse this narrow-minded thinking and hatred."

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- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 50 fans permalink
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I wonder if he mentioned what Nazis he liked the best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 05/22/2008
- 57basque I'm a Fan of 57basque 107 fans permalink
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We are wrong in our support of Israel. Abraham would not have dropped the bomb on Sodom. Therefore, his children would not have need of the bomb. Israel has yet to except that they killed there last king. Not that I would want them to learn American Christianity. But when they do figure out that the Lamb was their king, they might find a way for peace in the Middle East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/22/2008

If you get your Biblical history correct, Abraham didn't drop the bomb on Sodom. God did, right after Abraham got his nephew Lot out of there. Many evangelicals believe that is a reference to the last days rapture of the church.

As, it was in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, so will it be in the days of the coming of the son of man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 05/22/2008
- 57basque I'm a Fan of 57basque 107 fans permalink
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Abraham would not have dropped it.
It will be just as in the days of the Lamb too. Can you see who the scribes and Pharisees are today? Michael who arises in Daniel 12:1 is the child of Revelation 12. But how ill we know who the 2 olive branches are who today's establishment may yet kill in Revelation 11?
I say that that does not have to happen. For these days have been shortened, as the Lamb said they would. One more point: it appears to me as if that great multitude which can not be counted, who go through a great tribulation will overcome too. So why don't we hear that kind of stuff on the TV?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 05/22/2008
- mojopo I'm a Fan of mojopo 12 fans permalink
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And yet, yet - Hagee is unwilling to understand that God did not orchestrate the Holocaust. It was men. That event was one of the most Godless things to have happened to humanity, sir, and there was no divine hand leading Hitler's way. How could you even think that? Hagee, you are repulsive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 05/22/2008
- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

McCain has rejected his endorsement. Something that took Barry twenty odd years to do.

Non-issue for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 05/22/2008
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BigLie, you certainly do not represent liberalism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 05/22/2008

Don't worry. We'll fid more issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 05/22/2008
- Mygirl I'm a Fan of Mygirl 6 fans permalink
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Another one under the Bus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 05/22/2008

Any bus that runs over a fat tub of lard like Hagee is going to need a major repair job on its suspension. And who is going to clean up the gargantuan grease spot that would be left?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 05/22/2008

Was that supposed to be funny?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 05/22/2008
- SugarMan I'm a Fan of SugarMan 4 fans permalink

HE DENOUNCES HIM AFTER BEGGING FOR HIS ENDORSEMENT....
McCain is an old senile lunatic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 05/22/2008

Every time I see this .... whatever he is, the phrase "Toad of God" pops into my mind. Anybody else have this problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/22/2008
- Artisbey I'm a Fan of Artisbey 3 fans permalink

How about "The Lord's Own Lardass!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 05/22/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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who are we to judge any other country's extreme religious craziness - our nation is being damaged beyond recognition by fundamentalism

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 05/22/2008

Mcsame has just officially denounced the Haggee endorsement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 05/22/2008

Moonbats-

This guy isn't McCain's pastor. Do facts or reality register with you at all? Clearly not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 05/22/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 50 fans permalink
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Whaddya say we treat him like he is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 05/22/2008

Dimwit


McCain chased him around for over a year seeking his endorsment. Nobody said he was little Jonny's preacher, just a symbol for his campaign. Mission Accomplished!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 05/22/2008
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Who said he was? The point is McCain sought this man's endorsement despite his well documented bigoted comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 05/22/2008
- HDR I'm a Fan of HDR 8 fans permalink

What registers is that while Hagee is not McCain's personal paster he did seek out his endorsement with a litany of compliments as to Hagee's achievements and positions. One is judged by the company one keeps, or should standards be different for Republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/22/2008

Oh no! You called me a moonbat! Now I have to reassess everything I've learned, every value I've acquired, every truth I've ever embraced in the last 5 decades. Moonbat! This is worse than anything! You are a very cruel and merciless person.

Moonbat! You really told me!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 05/22/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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This is without a doubt, the supreme actions of a true republican good Wrong Winger Christian.
But of course now that this is in the public arena, he will first say he was misquoted, then he will change his view and ignore anything in the past.

Also, just heard on MSNBC McWar has finally rejected this clowns endorsement. but unlike Obama did with Wright, MCWar waited until he had no choice. And Unlike Obama, McWars Spiritual adviser was not also his close family friend and fatherly figure for many years. Which anyone here with a AHole for a relative or close family friend knows its not the easiest thing to just dismiss them no matter how rude or wrong they are. Im not saying he is correct for not addressing this sooner, I am saying I understand how hard it could be. Its something seldom done these days, its called Cognitive thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 05/22/2008
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Problem is , is that if you were use your cognitive thinking and investigative Wright and Obaba, you would come the conclusion that Wright is right and Hagee wants toy destroy tho planet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 05/22/2008
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This is what a Nazi appeaser and apologist truly looks like!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 05/22/2008

It's also what a beached, rotting whale carcass looks like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 05/22/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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McCain just announced he is rejecting the endorsement of Hagee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 05/22/2008

That's a step in the right direction. Now we just have to get America to reject McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 05/22/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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word

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 05/22/2008

Now HuffPo needs to turn the laserbeam on Parsley.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 05/22/2008

Rejecting or renouncing?

heh heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 05/22/2008

Which is good, because at best this pastor issue will be a wash in the general election. Wright is neutralized by Hagee. Even though some of what Wright said actually is based on history (see the Tuskegee experiment) even if his extrapolations about AIDS are off the wall.

Maybe it will be a blessing in disguise (no pun intended) and both candidates will be able to talk about real issues instead. (Unless the general election debate is on ABC.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 05/22/2008

Isn't organized religion grand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 05/22/2008

No.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 05/22/2008

Here's the problem: what Hagee believes is really just classic Christian belief, carried forward in a logical fashion.

Christians hold that God is ultimately in control of everything, that all events unfold according to his divine plan, and that everyone's life has preordained purpose. In this framework, Hitler isn't just a psychotic, murderous despot. He's an extension of God's will on earth, since what ahppened *must* be part of the Plan.

Hagee is merely being consistent.

I don't believe in Gods or Devils. Hitler was a sick, vicious thug. What happened to the Jews was merely genocide in the name of religion and ideology. And Hagee, like most Christian theologians, has one foot in the Dark Ages. But there it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 05/22/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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Well since classic Christians always pick and choose what suites their currents thinking from the bible, and ignore the rest, many of this clowns followers , and other so called Christians ,will do the same here. Its selective religion, and very big here in the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 05/22/2008

You got that right and that is half if not the majority of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 05/22/2008
- zeiben I'm a Fan of zeiben 3 fans permalink

"Christians hold that God is ultimately in control of everything, that all events unfold according to his divine plan, and that everyone's life has preordained purpose."

Okay, this is so NOT what all Christians believe...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/22/2008
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Really? God isn't in control of everything? When did that change in the church?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 05/22/2008
- Raymondf I'm a Fan of Raymondf 4 fans permalink

You are right God gives you the ability, to run your own life. Only one thing you must answer to him on judgement day, and depending how you led your life will depend on you going to heaven or hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 05/22/2008
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Yahshua (Joshua, Moses' replacement) was ordered by God, according to the Bible, to commit holocaust on those dwelling in the promised land so that the Chosen Ones could go and live there. If the Bible is the word of God, then this makes God appear to be initiating genocide. If the Bible is the collection of a certain human viewpoint of what certain humans believed God was telling them to do, then they did what they did and blamed God.

I tend to give credence to there being a great deal more we don't know about anything than we think we know. and religion just proves my point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 05/22/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 157 fans permalink
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Thanks for bringing this up... I found that to be a bit disturbing myself. The Bible even remarks on the killing of women and babies (by the good guys, that is) and the killing of unarmed POWs. How can the followers of the Abrahamic religions justify this and tell us of a merciful God?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 05/22/2008
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I have watched Pastor Hagee on Television and seen some of his preaching. I can't say that I have seen 2000 sermons but more than 200 and so I would say that in the 200 I have never heard him preach anything out of character for Southern Baptist Doctrine. That does not mean that in this sermon, this single sermon, he touched on a point that seemed prickly. I didn't hear it.

If this is jump on the religious bandwagon and make the conservative John McCain seem outrageously right "reich" I don't think it will happen. He has a long standing policy that supports Israel and most, if not all, Southern Baptist doctrine supports Israel and believes that Jesus is the Jew's Messiah also. Clearly, this is an attempt to garner Jewish voters who are shying away from Obama and Rev. Wright rhetoric’s or aimed at those disgruntled democrats who are considering voting republican.

The analogy of hastening the recognition of Christ as the Jewish Messiah is closer to the biblical description of Judas, also a disciple, selling out Christ to hasten the formation of the kingdom of God. The doctrine is wrong in both cases. If Pastor Hagee's happened in the way it was described it was wrong theology and like I said, I've never in the 200 or so sermons seen a pattern of biblical preaching that supports “reich” thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 05/22/2008

I can't address the Southern Baptists per se, but I do know that among many christianist fundamentalists the "support" of Israel is based on certain "prophesies" about the establishment of a Jewish state. Another point on this continuum is all the Jews in Israel being recruited into the christianist lifestyle. They do not support the Jews' right to continue practicing their religion, but rather they want the Jews to convert, to eschew their own religion, and become christianists. Hagee is among those who believe and advocate this. It's not about any compassion or respect for Israel and the Jews. It's about his own wealth and power, and pleasing his piss-ant god.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 05/22/2008

You wrote: "They do not support the Jews' right to continue practicing their religion, but rather they want the Jews to convert, to eschew their own religion, and become christianists."

Care to substantiate that for me. As a minister for the last 25 years, I must have missed that part.

You wrote: "It's not about any compassion or respect for Israel and the Jews"

As Christians we are supposed to follow the promise of Abraham, "I will bless those that bless thee, and curse those that curse thee." Any Christians who understands his heritage understands that his principles were birthed from Judaism.
Point in fact, Jesus was a Jew.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 05/22/2008
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