McCain Has Rejected Goldwater Legacy, Says Granddaughter

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First Posted: 05-27-08 03:31 PM   |   Updated: 06- 4-08 05:12 AM

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John McCain is prone to tout himself as a "Goldwater Republican," the inheritor of a party and ideology that his Senate predecessor from Arizona, Barry Goldwater, helped shape decades ago.

But Goldwater's own family members say that, if the family patriarch were alive today, he would be sour on McCain and shudder at the kind of conservatism that the current GOP nominee is proposing.

"I don't know if he would recognize the Republican Party today," Alison Goldwater Ross, a registered Democrat and granddaughter of the 1964 GOP presidential candidate, told The Huffington Post. "I'm sure if we were to raise his ashes from the Colorado River... he would be going, 'What? This is not my vision. This is not my party.'"

Such bewilderment, Ross offered, would extend to McCain, the man who took over Goldwater's seat in the Senate in 1987 and currently is the GOP standard-bearer. The two Arizonans clashed on several occasions during their political careers. Goldwater, as documented in "Pure Goldwater," a book by the Senator's son Barry Jr., was depressed and angered by McCain's involvement in the Keating Five scandal. Later in his career, a rift developed between the two after McCain used Goldwater's name -- without his permission -- for fundraising purposes.

"My grandfather felt that he was deceived by McCain," she said. "Because he looked at McCain and said, here was this young guy who has a lot of potential in the Republican Party, who is coming through the ranks, and then he pulled something like this. My grandfather had to ask, 'Is this something I want to be close to?'"

That Goldwater's grandchild says McCain doesn't represent her grandfather's political tradition is not an insignificant revelation. McCain has, in the past, acknowledged a deep desire to impress the elder Goldwater and continue his conservative legacy. In his memoir, "Worth the Fighting For," McCain said of his predecessor: "I admired him to the point of reverence, and I wanted him to like me.... He was usually cordial, just never as affectionate as I would have liked."

And on several occasions, McCain has deliberately taken steps to position himself as the inheritor of the Goldwater revolution. In the final speech of his "biography tour," McCain traveled to the historic Yavapai County Courthouse, a location where Goldwater started all his bids for office.

The reality, some observers claim, is that McCain and Goldwater are two contrasting breeds of Republicans. Ideologically, Matt Welch writes in "McCain: The Myth of a Maverick," the two have a fundamentally different idea about the role and scope of the federal government. But, on a broader level, the Republican Party as a whole has shifter drastically away from Goldwater's vision.

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"I think, at the end of my grandfather's career, first of all he would be looking at what state we are in today with what Bush has done, and I think he would be just incredibly appalled," said Ross. "I think his head would be spinning. How in the world did we get ourselves in this state? How did this happen? What went wrong? Where did this Republican Party go?"

On the issues of Iraq, women's rights, and the separation of church in state, Goldwater's granddaughter says the gulf between Barry and McCain is vast.

"I don't think my grandfather would ever pander to the religious right like McCain did. That would get him angrier than anything. He believed in the division between church and state, he fought that constantly. And these guys are getting in there... religion is a wonderful thing but it does not have any place or purpose in politics," she said. "My grandfather was for women's rights. The idea that my body is mine, and what I want to do with it, I will do with it... McCain isn't of that mindset."

So, whom would Goldwater support if he were alive today? Ross, whose dissatisfaction with McCain was first expressed on the website of BraveNewFilms, wouldn't say. But she herself is "leaning towards" Sen. Barack Obama, despite believing that Sen. Hillary Clinton has gotten the short end of the stick in terms of press treatment because of her gender.

"Hillary, you know, was a Goldwater girl. And she has this great tenacity," Ross said. "Unfortunately, she has been directed in some ways that haven't really worked for her campaign... I really like what Obama is representing. I like the fact that if he becomes our next president, the walls will come down; people around the world will view the U.S. as a more enlightened, open-minded country. It will be, overall, an extremely positive mood."

John McCain is prone to tout himself as a "Goldwater Republican," the inheritor of a party and ideology that his Senate predecessor from Arizona, Barry Goldwater, helped shape decades ago. But Goldwa...
John McCain is prone to tout himself as a "Goldwater Republican," the inheritor of a party and ideology that his Senate predecessor from Arizona, Barry Goldwater, helped shape decades ago. But Goldwa...
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- wmbear I'm a Fan of wmbear 24 fans permalink

NOW THERE'S SOMETHING TO GET WORKED UP ABOUT...

If you recall the 1964 Goldwater for President slogan, it was, "In your heart you know he's right."

Those with other inclinations came up with the counter-slogan: "In your guts you know he nuts."

It pays to study the political history of this country...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 05/27/2008

I think it's very telling about the current state of the Republican Party that the Right is so consumed with how their candidates measure up to the "real" conservatives of decades past. Republicans seem to have their minds firmly focused on the past, not the present - let alone the future.

Goldwater was indeed a good man. But his great moment of influence was 44 YEARS AGO. Reagan's presidency ended 20 YEARS AGO. It's pathetic how Republicans pine for their perceived Golden Age (not nearly as golden as they pretend, of course - the Reagan boom was fueled by a debt spiral that is now poised to ruin the dollar and the economy). Get a grip, GOP.

Democrats have their problems, but they aren't stuck in an ideological straitjacket like the Right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 05/27/2008
- BlueOnBlue I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue 63 fans permalink
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"Republicans seem to have their minds firmly focused on the past"

Driving by way of the rearview mirror is at the heart of their philosophy. They don't "conserve" the future, they fear it. They "conserve" the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 05/27/2008
- wmbear I'm a Fan of wmbear 24 fans permalink

THEY HAVE THEIR MINDS FIRMLY FOCUSED...

On their wallets is more like....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 05/27/2008

1968 was the turning point for both parties and the beginning of a four decade slide to the bottom for our Democracy. Goldwater's Republican Party was taken over by the ultra right Southern Conservatives (Dixiecrats) that left the Democrat party in droves after the party took up the cause of equal rights for all Americans. This opened up a big hole for the extreme left to fill in the Democrat Party which resulted in minority status and a fractured base that has lasted until the current time. Centrist in both parties became prisoners to the corporate power and money that flowed in to fill the void over the next decade. Then they packed leadership positions in government with their minions and patiently waited for an event that would allow them to justify taking full control; they made their move on September 11, 2001; an historical event that parallels that of the Nazis setting fire to the German Reichstag to justify their assent to power in 1932.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 05/27/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 56 fans permalink
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Partial credit. I think you are right about the rightward (neo-rightward?) drift of the Republican Party, but the Democratic party was not taken over by left wingers. It had already shifted pretty far left by 1968. Bill Clinton came in (with the assistance of anti-neocon Ross Perot), and blurred the distinction between the Republicans and Democrats with his DLC inner party (sometimes referred to as Republican-Lite).

What we are seeing now is the collapse of the DLC and the emergence of a populist movement headed by Barack Obama. He is a pragmatist, not a lefty, as the right would like to paint him.

If you were really, really cynical, you could say that the Texas mob has screwed things up so bad that the Chicago mob has to take over, even if it means screwing over the NY mob that did nothing to stop Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 05/27/2008
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But McCain says he is a Goldwater Republican. He also says he is a maverick and doesn't surrender to some unknown entity in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 05/27/2008

McCain is so far from a Goldwater Conservative, I can't even believe he thinks that.
It sucks being a conservative for this election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 05/27/2008

God help this country if McCain because president. We have been punished enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 05/27/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Precisely right.

Should we take something as ephemeral as "facts" over Honest John's empty rhetoric?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 05/27/2008

Goldwater was a true conservative. His ideals probably line up for with Bill Clinton than anyone else presently. One can argue the merits of his philosophy, but he, unlike many repubs now, was a good man. Even something I disagree with (his view on the Civil Rights Act) was on a point that is hard to not respect (he famously said that the government cannot legislate morality).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 05/27/2008
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I am beginning to wonder if the divisive playbook of the GOP will in retrospect mark the beginning of the end of the conservative movement as we know it. Many say it began with Newt Gingrich’s polarizing “Contract with America”, which helped initiate the sharp divisions and contentious debates between the two parties. This was put into overdrive years later by Karl Rove with his emphasis on “divide and conquer” by creating (or manufacturing) wedge issues to pit Americans against each other which of course led to the emergence of talk radio ripe with hate and demagoguery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 05/27/2008

It sucks being a conservative. Who the hell am I supposed to vote for? Is it time to head for the Libertarian Party?

Goldwater was even a bit more moderate. McSame makes W look like a Rhodes Scholar and you KNOW what that means! UGGHHHH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 05/27/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

Shocked! Astounded! McCain ISN'T like Goldwater? You don't say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 05/27/2008
- H2O I'm a Fan of H2O 3 fans permalink

John McCain still can't escape the shadow of Barry Goldwater, Arizona's original straight-talking Republican presidential candidate.

McCain, who this year became the second Arizonan to clinch the top spot on the GOP ticket, last month paid homage to Goldwater as the state's "authentic maverick" in a speech on the steps of the historic Yavapai County Courthouse.

He was re-creating a scene long synonymous with Goldwater's political campaigns, especially his ill-fated 1964 run for the White House. The details were precise, right down to the sign on the podium. Goldwater once spoke behind a sign proclaiming "Prescott, Ariz., welcomes Barry." On April 5, McCain's placard parroted "Prescott, Ariz., welcomes John.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/05/04/20080504mccain-goldwater0504.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 05/27/2008
- ghd I'm a Fan of ghd permalink

“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” That statement by Goldwater in his acceptance speech at the 1964 Republican convention got him into real hot water. His opponents framed him as a dangerous extremist. At the time, I agreed. But as I revisit that quote 44 years later, I see the truth in it. Too bad Washington politicians weren't "extreme" in defending our common liberties from the onslaught of the Patriot Act. Too bad they were moderate or actually lame in pursuing justice against the atrocities of the Bush administration. And John McCain is included among them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/27/2008
- Skepticat I'm a Fan of Skepticat 60 fans permalink
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What probably hurt Goldwater was "defoliation of the forests with low yield nuclear weapons could well be done" - voting against the civil rights bill didn't help - nor did "sell the TVA for a dollar" - and similar statements.
Goldwater however had honesty, integrity and decency, qualities alas sadly lacking in most politicians - and these days almost extinct in his own party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 05/27/2008
- newshawk14 I'm a Fan of newshawk14 8 fans permalink

Just a thought, but my feeling was that this was one of the last campaigns where
clever bumper stickers had a major impact. The first that I recall was:
"In Your Heart, You Know He's Right",. The following week the democrats were
out with, "In Your Heart, You Know He's Nuts. The republicans then switched to
chemistry and came out with, "Au + H2O = 464" The democrats retaliated with
"Au + H2O = H2S. They were simpler, but more cleaver times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/27/2008
- newshawk14 I'm a Fan of newshawk14 8 fans permalink

As a liberal, my opinion doesn't really count in this, but do your get the feeling that Goldwater's
picture radiates integrity, where McCain seems to be McChimp?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 05/27/2008

I've been a flaming Liberal and brass collar Dem all my life, and I admired Goldwater enough that I used Conscience of a Conservative as a text in my "Literature of the Southwest" course (right next to Ed Abbey's Desert Solitaire). Reading The Real McCain, it's obvious that McC*n did not inherit Goldwater's decency, integrity, courage, and conscience. Even the tarted up "Maverick" years were all Goldwater style, no Goldwater substance. I don't know if I'd have ever voted for Goldwater, but I respected him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 05/27/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 38 fans permalink
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Anyone who thinks this current brand of conservatism is true conservatism needs to get a clue and read the book Reclaiming Conservatism. You might just learn something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 05/27/2008
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Perhaps the current brand of conservatism isn't the one you espouse, but enough of your small-c conservative friends backed it with their votes to elect big-government spendthrifts like Bush 1 and 2, and so many Senators and Congressmen I couldn't possibly name them all.

What's the point in being a "real conservative" if you elect people who make the so-called "tax-and-spend, big government Democrats" look like wild-eyed Libertarians?

"Get a clue", indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 05/27/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 38 fans permalink
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Good! I want McCain to be himself and not pander to anybody. I'm going to vote for him. I'm going to love sticking it in the eyes of the conservatives that got us into the mess we're in, and to the Democrats for acting like Republicans in their coronation of Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 05/27/2008
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 162 fans permalink
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Can't get enough of Bush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 05/27/2008

I don't follow your logic, if there is any here. Clone McBush does not deserve anybody's vote. Once I could have, but that was years ago, before enough information on him was available, especially in MSM. He couldn't carry Golwater's golf bag, let alone his legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 05/27/2008
- BlueOnBlue I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue 63 fans permalink
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Copy what you just wrote, Take a few months to cool off. Then read it again. You might find this process of self evaluation helpful in forming future opinions.

If this doesn't work, try a course on logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 05/27/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

No kidding... Thought it was an episode of Twilight Zone or something.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/27/2008
- DeSwiss I'm a Fan of DeSwiss 28 fans permalink
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And if that doesn't work, there's always Prozac.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 05/27/2008
- LawrenceL I'm a Fan of LawrenceL 2 fans permalink

Or she suffered a concussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 05/27/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 216 fans permalink

So the Goldwater family firmly rejects not only McCain, but the entire GOP. Nice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 05/27/2008
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

"My grandfather felt that he was deceived by McCain." McCain is a facade. He is not Republican nor Democrat. McCain is in it only for McCain. He will say or do anything. He will take any position or any side on any issue, depending upon how it will serve him at that moment. Neither party can count on him to deliver any promise or initiative.

Your article also hits another core point that the neocon Republican Party has nothing to do with the Republican party of Goldwater's time. I was involved in the 1984 Republican caucuses in Minnesota and fought first hand against the Christian Coalition take over. We lost. We were swamped by a well organized manipulated process that kidnapped the party platform. It only got worse from there as the neocons also got a foot in the door with Bush I as VP. Bush I infiltrated the Regan administration with many neocons that have since destroyed the party and country.

Barry Goldwater would openly condemn the group of neocon crooks that now run the Republican Party. He would openly and vigorously fight them. I gave up on the Republicans decades ago, but will continue to fight against them and the Democrats so the people can reclaim this country. Vote 3rd Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 05/27/2008
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"Vote 3rd Party."

I voted for Eledridge Cleaver in 1968. He sure was a great President!

If you want to "reclaim," this country by your votes, you will have to pass a constitutional amendment and change the form of government to a parliamentary form. Otherwise, pick a party and change it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 05/28/2008
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