Wartime PTSD cases jumped roughly 50 pct. in 2007

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PAULINE JELINEK | May 27, 2008 11:44 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The number of troops with new cases of post-traumatic stress disorder jumped by roughly 50 percent in 2007 amid the military buildup in Iraq and increased violence there and in Afghanistan.

Records show roughly 40,000 troops have been diagnosed with the illness, also known as PTSD, since 2003. Officials believe that many more are likely keeping their illness a secret.

"I don't think right now we ... have good numbers," Army Surgeon General Eric Schoomaker said Tuesday.

Defense officials had not previously disclosed the number of PTSD cases from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Army statistics showed there were nearly 14,000 newly diagnosed cases across the services in 2007 compared with more than 9,500 new cases the previous year and 1,632 in 2003.

Schoomaker attributed the big rise over the years partly to the fact that officials started an electronic record system in 2004 that captures more information, and to the fact that as time goes on the people keeping records are more knowledgeable about the illness.

He also blamed increased exposure of troops to combat.

Factors increasing troop exposure to combat in 2007 included President Bush's troop buildup and the fact that 2007 was the most violent year in both conflicts.

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More troops also were serving their second, third or fourth tours of duty _ a factor mental health experts say dramatically increases stress. And in order to supply enough forces for the buildup, officials also extended tour lengths to 15 months from 12, another factor that caused extra emotional strain.

Officials have been encouraging troops to get help even if it means they go to civilian therapists and don't report it to the military.

"We're trying very hard to encourage soldiers and families to seek care and to not have them feel in any way, shape or form that we're looking over their shoulder or that we're invading their privacy," Schoomaker told a group of defense writers.

Noting that stigma is a problem in American civilian society, not just the military, he said, "I think that's the preferred way to do it."

The accounting of diagnosed cases released Tuesday shows those hardest hit last year were Marines and Army personnel, the two ground forces bearing the brunt of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Army reported more than 10,000 new cases last year, compared with more than 6,800 new cases the previous year. More than 28,000 soldiers altogether were diagnosed with the disorder over the last five years, the data showed.

The Marine Corps had more than 2,100 new cases in 2007, compared with 1,366 in 2006. More than 5,000 Marines have been diagnosed with PTSD since 2003, the data showed.

Navy officials who would have data on Marine health issues did not return a phone call seeking to confirm the numbers released by Schoomaker's office.

Schoomaker said he believes PTSD is widely misunderstood by the press and the public _ and that what is often just normal post-traumatic anxiety and stress is mistaken for full-blown PTSD.

Experts say many troops have symptoms of stress, such as nightmares and flashbacks, and can get better with early treatment.

The Pentagon had previously only given a percentage of troops believed affected by depression, anxiety, stress and so on _ saying up to 20 percent return home with symptoms of mental health problems. A recent private study estimated that could mean up to 300,000 of those who've served have symptoms.

The Veterans Affairs Department said recently it has seen some 120,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who have received at least a preliminary mental health diagnosis, with PTSD being the most common diagnosis at nearly 60,000.

An undisclosed number of troops also go to private care providers who are part of the huge military health care system. Schoomaker noted that National Guard and Reserve troops often go home to communities where there is not a veterans facility nearby.

"We're working very hard with the VA and with the National Guard and Reserves to get a better feel for, a grasp on, how big this is," Schoomaker said, adding that over time officials will be able to collect data and get "a better feel for, handle on, the numbers."

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WASHINGTON — The number of troops with new cases of post-traumatic stress disorder jumped by roughly 50 percent in 2007 amid the military buildup in Iraq and increased violence there and in Afgh...
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- gcallaghan I'm a Fan of gcallaghan 52 fans permalink
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Why do republicunts hate our troops so much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 05/28/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 266 fans permalink
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Noe if they all had other priorities they would not have this problem.

Eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 05/28/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 266 fans permalink
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I guess they can stand behind all the Vietnam vets that have the same problem and no one cares

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 05/28/2008
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 158 fans permalink
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You know, the media depicts the effects of combat trauma all the time but nobody recognizes it. Remember the last Die Hard movie? It turns out the gun-toting hero of a decade ago is now morose, is divorced, is estranged from his daughter, and is considered to be an unstable nut by his coworkers. Remember the play 'Streetcar Named Desire'? Stanley Kowalski was a boozing unappreciated WWII vet with a chip on his shoulder, winds up raping his sister-in-law and shows no remorse. Not to mention the first Rambo flick. We've incorporated the permanently damaged self-destructive veteran into the popular culture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 05/28/2008

And the only thing further from the truth is a well informed public via the media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 05/28/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 266 fans permalink
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40,000 Troops Who Are Not From The Bush/Cheney/Romney Gene Pool With Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome Since 2003

0 Troops Who Are From The Bush/Cheney/Romney Gene Pool With Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome Since 2003

Very telling stats on many levels

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 05/28/2008
- ruddie I'm a Fan of ruddie 16 fans permalink

I hate to add a negative spin to this conversation.. but..
Of course theres 50,000 plus who are dealing with PTSD.
And most of them will be looking for life-long disability payments
from the govt. I mean, why not be smart, start the legal process early.

I saw the tape yesterday of some vet talking about his 'kills'.
It made me sick. A sociopath and a murderer.. and this is the
face America is supposed to be so proud of.
And some marine in the comments cheering him on with a
hoo-rah... 'were trained to be killers'.

From G. Bush to Abu Garab... Have we all lost our fucking minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 05/28/2008
- booker52 I'm a Fan of booker52 32 fans permalink
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The military trains these kids. He is someone who needs help to understand and unwind now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 05/28/2008

I have a trainer who is an ex-Marine who served three tours of duties and was being called up to go back into the Marines. I got him out helping him with letters. He's bright. His friends weren't so lucky. Six went back into the Marines. Three were killed and two injured. Some of his friends fates were... (1) A marine who served, can use medical marijuana on regular basis. Because he has the urge to go out and start reliving the Iraq experience on the streets of L.A. (2) Another came back, got into drugs, became a male porn (straight) star and is now being tried for rape. (3) Several others are drug addicts. George W. Bush should be tried for war crimes, crimes against humanity and publicly executed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 05/28/2008
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This thread has been hijacked and valuable discussion and comments have been lost in irrelevant discussions and a few idiot trolls.

It's to bad because this is an important discussion that needs to come into the light of day.

As a Vietnam veteran, though I did not serve in Vietnam, I have become used to being pushed into the shadows lost and forgotten. The men I saw and treated upon returning from Vietnam now walk the streets of all of our major cities.

And now, I see the same happening to our Iraq veterans. Don't let it happen again. These men deserve better. Can we revive this thread and have a real discussion? I know there are many veterans, from Vietnam and Iraq, who have stories we need to hear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 05/28/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 53 fans permalink

PTSD is real, denial will not change it.

Cannabis Therapeutics Successfully and economically Treats PTSD.

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change the Federal Laws and allow for this Effective Alternative Therapy to help our Soldiers...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 05/28/2008
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 158 fans permalink
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Yeh, Those of us old enough recalled how being perpetually stoned 'helped' the mental health of our returning Vietnam Vets. Yeh, right. I have a better idea than turning soldiers into dead heads. GET OUT OF THE FRICKIN' WAR!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 05/28/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 53 fans permalink

It is NOT about being "stoned". it is about effective medical treatment. Cannabis Therapy is Not for Every Body, but for those who would realize benefit from it, let them use it, safely and legally!

We Have to Stop this habitual, cruel treatment of our soldiers. use them up and toss 'em away?

NO, it is way past time for change. Did you learn Nothing from Viet Nam?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 05/28/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

As with all classes of illness, our awareness of symptoms has resulted in increased diagnosis. As an example, what used to be 'bad behavior' or a lack of discipline in children is now ADD and can be medicated. Adults are now medicated for ADHD for a lack of focus. That being said, is the rise???? of PTSD attributable to our past ignorance of such an illness or our awareness of certain symptoms looking for a disease or illness?

If there were very 'few' cases from past generations fighting WW1, WW2, and Korea, is it generational? Cultural? Societal? Global Warming????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 05/28/2008
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 158 fans permalink
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There were not 'very few cases' of PTSD in previous wars. Remember Jack Kerouac coined the phrase 'beatnik' not for a musical beat but for young returning WWII vets who had been 'beaten down' by their war experiences. Many of the famed gunslingers of the Wild West were traumatized survivors of the Civil War. The excellent book 'Achilles in Vietnam' compared PTSD among Vietnam vets with PTSD symptoms evidenced in Homer's The illiad! The only difference now is we've got a catchy acronym for the damage done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/28/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Oh really, tell me how many PTSD cases there were? Anecdotal stories of 'gunfighters' won't do........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 05/28/2008

Let's put it out on the table: I have PTSD and am medicated for it. It is not a "joke", or a "generational" problem. It is a psychosomatic condition that totally whacks the "fight or flight" response of sufferers. The medication, often times, is as debilitating as the disorder itself.

As for your comment regarding PTSD in previous wars, I can tell you that there were actually prescribed courses for treating "combat fatigue" or "battle stress" in many of the wartime Med. Dept. manuals during WWII. Information on how to handle "stress cases" appeared en masse in numerous Med. Dept. publications around 1944. Trenchfoot and "combat fatigue" were two of the main reasons why infantrymen were pulled off the line and sent to casualty clearing stations in NW Europe in 1944-45.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/28/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Since 4-5 million men served in WW2, how many untreated PTSD cases went untreated? How did it effect society? Greatest Generation wise??? Makes you wonder.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/28/2008
- TrevorAlan I'm a Fan of TrevorAlan 4 fans permalink

Hey, true neocons don't believe in PTSD, they just call it slacking. So there are stories of military doctors LITTERALLY being told, ordered by superiors, to simply STOP diagnosing it for any reason.

So Bush has a new plan that's part of the GI Bill he favored. He's going to find descendents of Gen. Patton to go around slapping those soldiers. A true neocon Republican answer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/28/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

Leave it to the Bushwhacker to cover his trail as usual. Keep the people misinformed and unknowledgeable of the TRUTH. Government as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/28/2008
- Bluedog12 I'm a Fan of Bluedog12 15 fans permalink

If military personnel are on their third or even fourth tour is it post or current stress syndrome? Post denotes a past event. Many of our people are rotating in and out of combat multiple times. We need to engage in defining the reality of recurring stress and combat exposure which is why we need to rethink the definition of PTSD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 05/28/2008

How many had this in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 05/28/2008
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Millions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 05/28/2008
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CBS just had a big report focusing on what Lt Col Dave Grossman started with his big book 'On Killing': the single most telling predictor of PTSD was a soldier's having killed somebody. As both reports emphasize, during wars prior to Vietnam less than a quarter of troops actually even fired at the enemy. To fix that the US started kill-training in the late 60's.
How does that actually work? One element is the dehumanizing stereotype of the enemy. It works while they're 'in country' because the difference between their buddies and the enemy/populace is black and white. When they get back they lose that orientation, and the reality of their kill seeps in along with the danger of retribution from someone who can't be detected.
Military won't treat what they won't admit is the problem
What we need are vouchers for EVERY vet who served in a combat zone that they can use for quality mental health care in total privacy. And Nuremberg trials for everybody in the Republican party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 05/28/2008
- doneflyin I'm a Fan of doneflyin 34 fans permalink

Oh, just 10s and 10s of thousands but it wasn't called PSTD.

After the Civil War it was called Melancholy. WWI it was Shell Shocked. WWII it was Battle Fatigue.
Korea was probably still Battle Fatigue.

I honestly think the condition was just ignored during and after Vietnam until the Vietnam vets starting ending up on the streets and in homeless shelters.
Then PSTD became the new term to describe this medical condition that results from severe trauma.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 05/28/2008
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 27 fans permalink

doneflyin, I concur 100%
What the American government has done to our Vets is a black mark on our history. No serviceman or woman should be homeless, or without superior health and mental health care without a stigma attached to it. War is never worth the consequences. I hope the US foreign policies change quickly and we stop trying to control and bully other countries. Our fifteen minutes are up. We have to do right for our Veterans. Unfortunately, some of our finest young people have paid a price much too high for the oil companies and others who have made out financially over spilled blood of our brothers and sisters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 05/28/2008
- saami I'm a Fan of saami 32 fans permalink

Untold numbers of GI's had PTSD in those wars; they were called fakes, cowards, shell shocked, battle fatigue and other cruel things. General George Patton slapped a soldier in the face for his cowardace....he had PTSD. My dad killed himself as a result of his PTSD from WWII and Korea. He tried to get help but no one recognized PTSD until 2 months before his suicide. We must stop this war. There is no glorious victory to be had. We had destroyed Iraq and need to get the hell out and let them try to rebuild their country (with our financial help.) Contrary to the old saying, Might does not make right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 05/28/2008
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This is one of the reasons that the true cost of the Iraq war is unknown and unknowable - the hard budget dollars and interest paid to settle the debt is a drop in the bucket compared to criminal war related manifestations such as:

- Individual lives torn apart by death or injury
- Families torn apart due to loss or injury
- Reconstruction of infrastructure
- Rebuilding the government
- Rebuilding the military
- New wave of radicals vowing revenge
- Loss of civil liberties and rights to privacy
- Suppressed market of ideas
- Lost opportunities
- Lost good will and trust
- Decades of recovery
- Investigations and trials

And so forth and so on...oh the folly of man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 05/28/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

Oh God, no wonder we have no money and have lost most of our moral compass also. I can't believe human beings are acting so crazy here lately. It's like their minds are being mutilated with the garbage they are receiving over the boob tube and through the so-called media. So many are so lost, right along with all the debt you itemized above. Distressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 05/28/2008
- booker52 I'm a Fan of booker52 32 fans permalink
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Ya don't think it's these repeated deployments do you?? Bush and Co should be ahamed of themselves, but then again they shamless!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 05/28/2008

btw, that company also includes the Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 05/28/2008
- rroy I'm a Fan of rroy 8 fans permalink

I continue to find it strange how the media and we,the public,continue to be bombarded with pitty and adulationj for "our brave troops',while we show little to no concern about the travails of the people who are suffering under our troops(and our,as tax payers)occupation!
Does any American Organization,private or tax payer funded,ever have an article describing the trauma and stress of the people of Iraq?
How often to we see or hear of what Iraqis go through when Iraqis have their villages bombed by American Jets and helicopters?How often do we hear about how Iraqi Families are decimated by retaliatory action of our forces when actions are taken by Iraqis who resnt our occupation?
" Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome"what about the couple of million Iraqis who suffer from it?Does anybody in America give a s#!t about them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 05/28/2008

The Iraqi's have had the equivalent of 1666 events comparable to the loss of life on 9-11.

5 million (deaths and in refugee-status) divided by 3000 (9-11 losses) = 1666

Shame on the US. Shame on those that participated in this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 05/28/2008
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