McCain's New Anti-Obama Line Borrowed From Attack Ad

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First Posted: 05-28-08 06:39 PM   |   Updated: 06- 5-08 05:12 AM

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John McCain has gleefully pounded Barack Obama in recent days for having traveled to Iraq only once since he entered Congress. But his arguments virtually mirror those used in a new attack ad by an independent conservative group, adding to the perception that there is a coordinated effort between McCain and the outside groups that his campaign has sought distance from.

On Wednesday, McCain ripped into Obama during an appearance in Reno, Nevada, claiming the Illinois Democrat lacked the leadership to navigate international waters in times of war. The language he used was telling (emphasis added below).

"Senator Obama has been to Iraq once. A little over two years ago he went, and he has never seized the opportunity, except in a hearing, to meet with General Petraeus, with General Petraeus! My friends, this is about leadership and learning," McCain said. "Now, why is it that Senator Obama wants to sit down with the President of Iran, but hasn't yet sat down with General Petraeus - the leader of our troops in Iraq?"

Last Friday, the organization Vets for Freedom, a non-partisan pro-Iraq war organization, released an advertisement attacking Obama with the same language.

"Obama wasn't available to meet with us [combat veterans]," Sgt. Garrett Anderson (Ret.) of Illinois' Army National Guard says to the camera. "But we weren't surprised. Because he hasn't once, sat down one-on-one with our in Iraq, Gen. Petraeus. Worse, he hasn't been to Iraq in two-and-a-half years. He's unwilling to get the facts on Iraq, yet he is willing to travel to Iran to meet with their leader or anyone else who hates our country. The question for America is, if Barack Obama won't listen to us, who will he listen to?"

Message coordination between like-minded candidates and interest groups is hardly a novel concept in politics. In fact, around the same time as McCain's speech, the Republican National Committee started a clock tracking the number of days it has been since Obama visited Iraq.

But the Arizona Republican has positioned his campaign as a decidedly distinct entity from groups that dabble in attack politics. He has even implemented an internal campaign ethics policy that restricts campaign officials from collaborating or serving with these very organizations.

"No person with a McCain Campaign title or position may participate in a 527 or other independent entity that makes public communications that support or oppose any presidential candidate," the new policy reads.

Already there are questions about the firmness of that pledge. As the Huffington Post reported last week, Sens. Joseph Lieberman and Lindsey Graham, both of whom hold chairs for the McCain campaign, are also on the board of advisers of Vets for Freedom.

In response to the onslaught of attacks, the Obama campaign - taking the hook of former White House press secretary Scott McClellan's new book - shot back.

"On the day after the former White House press secretary conceded that the Bush administration used deception and propaganda to take us to war, it seems odd that Senator McCain, who bought the flawed rationale for war so readily, would be lecturing others on their depth of understanding about Iraq," said Obama press secretary Bill Burton in a statement. "Senator Obama challenged the President's rationale for the war from the start, warning that it would divert resources from Afghanistan and the pursuit of Al Qaeda and mire us in an endless civil war. Senator McCain stubbornly insists on pursuing the failed Bush policy..."

John McCain has gleefully pounded Barack Obama in recent days for having traveled to Iraq only once since he entered Congress. But his arguments virtually mirror those used in a new attack ad by an in...
John McCain has gleefully pounded Barack Obama in recent days for having traveled to Iraq only once since he entered Congress. But his arguments virtually mirror those used in a new attack ad by an in...
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How many times has MCCain been in Iraq...... and he hasn't learned anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 05/29/2008
- nerakami I'm a Fan of nerakami 14 fans permalink

Yet he opposed the GI Bill. Please go fly a kite and stop thinking we are as silly now as back then when we allowed Bush in the White House. Your problem McFlipFlop is that we've been kissed by George Bush's kiss of death AND NOW WE'RE FULLY AWAKE!!!. Bad news for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 05/29/2008
- JXJASON I'm a Fan of JXJASON 10 fans permalink

I am a veteran. I was on active duty in the US Navy from June 1963 to June of 1965; stationed on a naval air base in Newfoundland, Canada. I do not need to talk to Generals about Iraq or go to Iraq to learn what is going on there. I learn a lot by watching news shows on ABC, NBC, CNN and BBC. I also pick up a lot of information on the internet on CBC, BBC, The Asia Times, the Arab News (an excellent site, if you want to know what is happening in Saudi Arabia and other parts of the world), and Yahoo, Reuters, AP, and The Huffington Post.

Most of John McCain's comments about everything are asinine. John McCain's song "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" was the dumbest, and most irresponsible thing I have heard a politician say in my entire lifetime!

I could have been sent to Vietnam. I was lucky...th­e Navy released me from active duty and I went home to N.Y City. I visited the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington DC. , over 10 years ago, and I was 300 feet away from it when I started to cry. I couldn't help but feel the anguish of the familys who lost

I am crying now folks... Have to stop here.

You understand what I am talking about. Peace is better than war.

OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 05/29/2008
- MrKINOKO I'm a Fan of MrKINOKO 11 fans permalink
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Thank You.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 05/29/2008

Of course peace is better than war. That fact is why sometimes we have to fight. It is not a choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 05/31/2008

This is all the republicans have?? Weak. Weak. Weak. McCain is clearly going to lose this presidential election. It is the economy stupid and ir is also endin g the war. People want to hear how we are going to get out of Iraq not this silly stuff McCain is trying to change the subject on. Left wing 527s needs to begin hitting McCain on:

- votes against the minimum wage eight times - I hope the unions hit him on this big time
- vote against SCHIP
-;lack of support for universal healthcare
-wasted lives and money in Iraq
- link McCain to Bush every chance they get
- wants to privatize social security

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 05/29/2008

Votes against VA benefits for the people he wants to send into battle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 05/29/2008

Check out this website... It shows that the info in that ad is untrue:

http://vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1359

Here is a snippet of what they say:
"Earlier today, VFF released a video of SPC Kate Norley chiding Senator Obama on not visiting Iraq since 2006. A cursory search of SPC Norley yields a Stars & Stripes article on her work in Iraq. The date? April 22, 2004. For those keeping score at home, 2004 is two years less than 2006, the same exact time frame Norley uses to dispute Obama's views on Iraq since his 2006 visit to the present day.

The video is full of half truths and convenient stretches, notably the go-to phrase of the century, 'the surge worked.' Norley expresses her shiny outlook so positively that it sounds like a laundry list of reasons to leave Iraq immediately:

-Attacks are down 70%
-The civil war is over
-The Iraqi government has made much political progress
-al Qaeda has been decimated
-The iraqi Army is taking on rogue militias across the country.

So we can leave, right?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 05/29/2008
- AMJordan I'm a Fan of AMJordan 27 fans permalink

As Rachel Maddow has pointed out more than once, for McCain it's either safe enough to stay or too dangerous to leave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 05/29/2008
- toby25 I'm a Fan of toby25 3 fans permalink

Maybe a borrowed line but a very true one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 05/29/2008
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Didn't Obama just question Petraeus along with MCcCain and Clinton?

Now I'm saying he shouldn't return to Iraq, in fact Obama just stated he may return before November.

Let's be clear though:

1. We still need to execute an exit strategy for Iraq

2. Iraq needs to take financial and military responsibility of their country - yes, draft there people if need be

3. There is no way Iran and the rest of middle-east countries will not be involved

4. We need to inproove our international reputaion, by changing our diplomacy, not continuing down an intolerant and arrogant path that doesn't work and the rest of the world look down on us

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 05/29/2008
- AMJordan I'm a Fan of AMJordan 27 fans permalink

There are problems with our international reputation that go far beyond Iraq. I seem to remember in the summer of '01 Colin Powell running around to places like Australia and New Zealand and basically bullying our allies.

I knew we were in trouble then and nothing that has happened in the past eight years has changed my assessment. Repulsives are supposed to be able to do Foreign Policy. Bush couldn't negotiate with a six-year old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/29/2008

McCain is totally misleading in saying: “why is it that senator Obama wants to sit down with the president of Iran, but hasn't yet sat down with General Petraeus - the leader of our troops in Iraq?"

Obviously Obama plans to speak to his leading military commanders, before he makes any sort of major diplomatic moves in the middle east, but that goes without saying. Barack has said his pull-out in Iraq will be based on feedback from the generals.

How stupid does McCain and he pro-Likud Neocon backers think the American People are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 05/29/2008

So how does Likud come into this argument?

Your bigotry is a shining beacon to antisemites everywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 05/29/2008
- pbfishtaco I'm a Fan of pbfishtaco 12 fans permalink
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Are there any political parties in Israel besides the Likud Party? Do I think the Likudniks are a bunch of Hawks? Does that make me anti-semitic too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 05/29/2008

Perhaps you would like to think about how long Israel would remain an independent state without massive injections of American Aid from both the government and private citizens. We, all of us, must learn to talk to each other and, more importantly, listen to each other. There is little doubt that Israel is besieged, but if the Saudis (the same ones responsible for 9/11) could no longer count on excessive oil revenue, they (and the other middle oil state dictatorships) and the Israelis would have to... you guessed it; talk to each other. Does this sound like 'Gravity's Rainbow'. We are financing both sides, and who is taking the profits?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 05/29/2008

How can Obama run a campaign urging me to give him my vote when he does not take the time to thoroughly investigate what is happening in Iraq? Is ti that he only listens to Nancy's line? She will say we are losing even when we win. For her it is all politics. She is an insult to all our man and women in the service and to the families of those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 05/31/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

No fool like an old fool. You're a tired old dinosaur Mcbush, exactly what we DON'T need!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 05/29/2008
- tomsfork I'm a Fan of tomsfork 14 fans permalink

All very nice, Mr. McCain, but, to quote an old political operative, "It's the economy, stupid!" I could care less about Obama's foreign policy credentials. I just wanna know, are you going to continue the failed economic policies of the Republicans, or are you going to return this country to economic stability?

Talking about foreign policy in a bad economy is the best way to lose an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 05/29/2008

Funny how many Vietnam vets aren't terribly keen on McCain as president.­..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 05/29/2008
- JXJASON I'm a Fan of JXJASON 10 fans permalink

Thanks for the link. This was another good story on why John McCain should not be President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 05/29/2008

COme on now, did anyone expect him to come up with an ORIGINAL thought?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 05/29/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 239 fans permalink
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Sorry, but the fact that McCain is using virtually the same language doesn't prove "that there is a coordinated effort between McCain and the outside groups that his campaign has sought distance from." Any more that someone stealing material from a book proves that he helped write it.

I am not sticking up for McCain, I just point out that you'd need more than this to get him on working with a 527 group.

He may well be doing so, but as I've said....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 05/29/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 47 fans permalink

Well, Lieberman and Graham, neither of whom have ever been accused of being ethical or principled men, have resigned from the group producing the ads so that negates your argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 05/29/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 239 fans permalink
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No, it doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 05/29/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 71 fans permalink
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obama doesn't need to talk to petraeus to know what he'll say. All he has to do is listen to a bush war speech and he'll have petraeus' opinion.

As for mcsame, I don't call him mcsame because I think he's DIFFERENT from bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 05/29/2008

If Vets for Freedom were truly interested in FREEDOM, then wouldn't they also be interested in liberating THE TRUTH concerning HOW the United States ended up engaging in a war in Iraq that has now been conveniently blamed on faulty "intelligence", rather than the ugliness of lies that cost 4,000+ young Americans the loss of their lives and their loved ones?

How many children of veterans now live in single parent families?
How many surviving veterans continue to battle for basic decent medical care after the sacrifices they gave for their country - whose leaders lied to them?

But John McCain wants to talk about "why is it that Senator Obama wants to sit down with the President of Iran, but hasn't yet sat down with General Petraeus - the leader of our troops in Iraq"?

How many American families have suffered from this travesty pitting nationalism and loyalty against LIES about national security threats to this nation?

Is a conscience required in order to cross the commander in chief threshold?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 05/29/2008
- rextrek I'm a Fan of rextrek 34 fans permalink
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Oh yea..and Vets families who are on FOOD STAMPS, have had to go to FOOD BANKS...ha­ve had thier Homes FORCLOSED ON while they're in Iraq.....h­omeless Vets,with Poor or little Health Care....an­y Vet that Votes for McCain needs thier head examined..­but of course, they'll have to make an appt. with the V.A. and be PUT on a WAITING LIST FOR THAT TOO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 05/29/2008

Vets for freedom seek freedom from reality, hope and peaceful future. Anyone who does not come to them on bended knee is a traitor to their ideals and fantasies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 05/29/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 52 fans permalink

Obama should start citing the number of days its been since McShame authorized this phoney war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 05/29/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 23 fans permalink
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OR the number if times they said we where making such wonderful progress that turned out to be total lies:

Bush, November 2005: "Iraq is making incredible political progress."

Bush, October 2005: "Iraqis are making inspiring progress."

Bush, September 2005: "Iraq has made incredible political progress."

Bush, April 2005: "I believe we're making good progress in Iraq."

Bush, March 2005: "We're making progress."

Bush, September 2004: "We're making steady progress."

Bush, July 2003: "We're making progress. It's slowly but surely making progress."

I gave up keeping track in of the lies 3 years ago, how can some people STILL beleive them when they say "this time we really really really mean it".

"VOTE FOR AMERICA, OBAMA 08"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 05/29/2008
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