Obama Competitive Against McCain With Key Voters

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ALAN FRAM | May 28, 2008 04:30 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Barack Obama is competing strongly against Republican John McCain for women, Catholics and other groups that have shunned him in the Democratic primaries but will be pivotal in this fall's presidential race, early polling shows.

Significant blocs of voters who have been closely contested in recent presidential elections _ or veered from one party to the other, making them true swing groups _ have leaned toward Obama's rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in the primaries. Besides women and Catholics, these include the elderly, the less educated and suburbanites, leading Clinton to argue she is her party's stronger candidate.

Even so, polls this month show the Illinois senator _ assuming he clinches the Democratic nomination _ leading McCain among women, running even among Catholics and suburbanites and trailing with people over age 65. Results vary by poll for those without college degrees. And though Obama trails decisively with a group that has strongly preferred Clinton _ whites without college degrees _ he's doing no worse than the past two Democratic presidential candidates.

"There's a huge philosophical difference between Republicans and Democrats," said Roberta Stewart, 60, of Olmsted Falls, Ohio, who prefers Clinton but will back Obama. "I have to vote for the Democrat and hope for the best."

Obama is doing well against McCain with groups he has dominated in the primaries. Polls show him leading the Arizona senator with young people and college graduates, though the results vary by poll among independents.

Obama's pursuit of groups that have eluded him in the primaries could be complicated by the strong emotions his lengthy competition with Clinton has aroused. In recent contests, only half her supporters have said they would vote for Obama against McCain.

Yet by Election Day, voters will be more focused on party identification and issues than they are now. Obama won't necessarily need majorities of the swing groups Clinton has dominated; rather, he'll need enough support so that when combined with the young, blacks and his other strong backers, he'll win.

Women have preferred Clinton over Obama by 7 percentage points in this year's Democratic primaries, according to exit polls of voters. When matched against McCain this month, Obama was ahead among women by 5 points in the Gallup Poll, 13 points in a poll by Quinnipiac University and 20 points in a survey by CBS News and The New York Times.

Women voted for John Kerry by 3 points in the 2004 election, but favored fellow Democrats Al Gore in 2000 and Bill Clinton in 1996 by larger margins.

White women are especially in play in November, and they have voted for Hillary Clinton over Obama by 24 points. Polling shows mixed results over whether Obama or McCain leads with this group.

They solidly favored President Bush in 2004, split evenly between Bush and Gore in 2000, and tilted toward President Clinton in 1996.

In addition:

_Though Obama trails Hillary Clinton by 25 points among Catholics in the primaries, he and McCain are dividing them about evenly in national polls. Catholics, a quarter of the 2004 electorate, backed Bush narrowly that year, leaned slightly to Gore in 2000 and heavily toward President Clinton in 1996.

_Obama leads McCain slightly among suburban residents, though he narrowly trailed Hillary Clinton with these voters. This group favored Bush slightly in 2004 and 2000, while President Clinton had the edge in 1996.

_People without college degrees are tilting toward Obama over McCain, though they have preferred Hillary Clinton in the primaries. Whites who haven't finished college have favored Clinton over Obama in the primaries by 30 points, and prefer McCain over Obama, by up to 20 points in the Gallup Poll. Yet that's in the range of recent Democratic losses with this group _ Bush won them by 23 points in 2004 and 17 points in 2000, while President Clinton and Republican Bob Dole split them about evenly in 1996.

_Obama trails Clinton by 24 points among voters age 65 and older. McCain is well ahead of Obama in the Gallup and Quinnipiac polls, but they're about even in the CBS/Times poll. The elderly leaned by small margins toward Bush in 2004, Gore in 2000 and President Clinton in 1996.

In an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll last month, about a quarter of Clinton supporters and one in six white Democrats who have not finished college said they would back McCain against Obama, with roughly a quarter of each undecided.

The exit poll data is based on responses from more than 44,000 voters in 33 states that have held Democratic primaries; nearly 14,000 people who voted nationally in 2004; about 13,000 who voted in 2000; and about 16,000 who voted in 1996. The margin of sampling error for each was plus or minus 1 percentage point, larger for some subgroups.

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Associated Press Director of Surveys Trevor Tompson and AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report.

(This version CORRECTS to show that Clinton, Dole split whites without degrees, not Dole winning narrowly in 1996.)

 
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Can some-one tell me WHY MI & FL went early?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 05/28/2008

The point in the bigger states going early was to insure that they have more of a say in the elections. The down side is that states with more people usually end up being Name Recognition votes instead of issues based votes.

This is the reason the DNC wanted smaller states to be loaded to the front....This allows for the people in the states to really get to know the issues and candidates before getting to the bigger states. The exposure in the smaller states also gives news exposure on the issues into the bigger states.

A fact that is not pushed is that it was actually Hillary Clinton supporters in the two states that went along with early vote. They knew that her name recognition would mean early wins and give her an advantage in gaining the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 05/29/2008

Barack, please do not wear that brown suit again, it does not do you justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 05/28/2008

Of course Obama is competitive with McCain with these voters. With the exception of the right wing ones, it's beyond comprehension that women would vote for McCain and let Roe v Wade be overturned and the antiwomen judges prevail in this country. McCain has made it clear that his political agenda is that of GWB, while the American public has made it equally clear that they want change, including an end ot the war which McCain has promised he will continue. Obama's economic agenda will resonate with voters, his transparency and accountability in government is something new and different from the Clinton/Bush eras, and I have no doubts that Americans of all stripe will support Obama once he's free to campaign against his opponent McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 05/28/2008
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This is even a better version: Hillary Clinton declaring victory by feb. 5th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WsPmZ1zDeA&NR=1

What about OH, TX, RI, VT, PA, MI, LA, VA, MD, MT, GU, PR et al?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 05/28/2008
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Kerry was strong against Bush with these same key voters. Don't believe the hype. If Obama maintains a position against equality, he will lose to McCain. We need a president who stands up for the little guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVeBq_M8_0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgZxP3aeN-Q

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 05/28/2008
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Kerry had no charisma and didn't stand up for himself in the swift boat catastrophe. Where have you been recently? Barack is for the LITTLE GUY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/28/2008

You folks who will vote for McCrazy if your dem. candidate doesn't get the nomination, you are just plain stupid. If it's because Hillary is a woman or Barack is PART black, to vote for McLame is 4 more years of Bush! Get over your crazy prejudices and get behind OUR democratic nominee, regardless of whoever gets it, because 4 years of Crash McSame is more war and there will be a draft. Think about that when you're in the voting booth. Do you want any of your kids dying for this insanity called Iraq? Not me and certainly none of my children or grand kids!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 05/28/2008

I wonder how different the polling numbers for Clinton would look if she wins the nomination by her own method possible now: forcing Michigan and Florida to seat their delegates in full while giving Obama almost none, and then having the oligarchs of the party overturn the primary winner with the super delegates.

How many black voters will sit out the election? What about young and college educated voters? Will their boycott cost the Democrats in Congress and on the state level as well? How long would black anger at such an obviously racist ploy last? Just this year, for a generation?

People wonder if Clinton voters would go back to Obama, but can you imagine black voters and college students voting for Clinton if she takes the nomination by hook or crook? Try explaining to Harlem voters that she just appeals better to Appalachian whites than Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/28/2008

Exactly, the two candidates have divided a party that could barely win to begin with.
Good luck to Democrats. Nice job DNC. Making the unlosable election losable

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 05/28/2008
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Clinton is disliked by Democrats and many, many other groups. She has never been a popular woman even when she was attached to one of the most popular presidents in history. She is divisive, ruthless and, at this point, given to histrionics. The African-American population, by now, has every reason to hate her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/28/2008

Great!
Obama is competive in a race that should be a slam dunk after the 8 years of Bush.
I don't care for Obama, but I will vote for him over McCain because I will never vote for a Republican for president.
I feel the Dems have little chance of winning with Obama.
I'm a white man from the The Bronx and I can't find anouther one here who will vote for Obama.
Like it or not his former rabble rousing preacher and angry wife make him unelectable to many white men.
I don't feel Obama will do well in the swing states that the last 2 elections have hinged on PA,OH, and FL.
Not to mention the fact that Obama needs to win over all of the Clinton supporters who are 1/2 of the party.
They made a Vietnam vet who volunteered lose to a draft dodging, lousy 1st term president.
Like it or not the Dems need someone who appeals to blue collar men in Ohio and PA who do tend to be somewhat racist.
It is sad that a site like this one I use to enjoy is now a Fox News for Obama.
Show the unflattering Hillary Pics and headlines and bash anyone who doesn't care for Obama, who cares if we're life long Dems.
Keep bashing the Clintons, Paul Krugman, James Carvelle, and anyone who doesn't care for Obama or like his chances of winning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 05/28/2008

r u bitter?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/28/2008

No I could care less if the nominee is Clinton I want a Dem I like and that can win by a landslide like they should because of the state this country is in you smug jerkoff. Exactly why Obama won't be winning over Clinton supporters WHO ARE 1/2 OF THE PARTY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 05/28/2008

Maybe he'll do a lot better without someone from his own party telling voters that he "can't win" every day.

Five months ago, Clinton had 30 point lead on Obama. Today, he leads her by 11 in the national Democratic primary polls.

Today, Obama leads McCain by 3-5 points in the polls. What will he do in 5 months after the DNC convention, the debates and the campaign? He made up 41 points over Clinton in that same span. He merely needs to hold ground to win now, and he is sure to pick up points when she finally accepts her fate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 05/28/2008

"Maybe he'll do a lot better without someone from his own party telling voters that he "can't win" every day."

Thank you for stating an obvious point that so many are missing. Any general election poll taken right now is invalid as long as HRC and her surrogates are still getting air time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 05/28/2008
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In your opinion, would enough of your neighbors be willing to support Hilary rather than Obama to help the Democrats win in the fall? Or was it all but guaranteed that the Dems would likely lose the moment it became clear their nominee would not be a white man? There's a lot of racism and sexism and I don't know which is stronger. Either way, I hope enough people know better than to vote for a continuation of the GOP's idiocy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 05/28/2008

I don't know.
But I do know that the way that the stuff about his preacher and wife is enough to turn off those blue collar whites in Ohio.
Claim they are bogus and untrue they are out they are deal breakers to many swing blue collar white voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/28/2008

"Like it or not the Dems need someone who appeals to blue collar men in Ohio and PA who do tend to be somewhat racist."

Maybe we should change the symbol of the Democratic party from a donkey to a burning cross. Do you think that would do it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 05/28/2008
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This goes on and on. The racist in the these states don't need to be appeased at the price of having a great president for a change. When will this Ku Klux Clan mentality end in this country? I am old and white in Alabama and I still love Barack Obama and consider him the hope for this nation. Many of my friends do too. If the racists in Kentucky, West Virginia and Lower Appalachia, (read Slobvia) get their way and vote in John McCain, then I hope Barack Obama will buy an island and form his own nation. I'll be the first to request citizenship there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 05/28/2008

Remember we have not even entered the general election yet. Thats a whole other ball game.

I think in about 5 months from now, after Obama and Mccain's weak political senses has beat Mccain senseless, these polls will look differently. What is important to remember is that Obama is still an unkown for a large swath of the population particularly the undereducated and 'low information' types. With increased media coverage of the issues I think we will see major electoral changes. I think Obama's eloquence versus Mccain's clumsy Bushesque intellectual prowis gives Obama a significant advantage in a drawn out race with enough times for the issues to be highlighted. What benefits Obama is he has a movie star type of charisma like Reagan or Kennedy but with the intellect and the youth to back it up. Obama has proven his ability to better his standing when given a chance. It has become nearly impossible for Mccain at this point to seperate himself from Bush and it is fairly clear Obama will be successful in linking Bush and Mccain(especially when Mccain is doing everything short of kissing the guy). And Bush's approval ratings drop daily.

It would be the opposite with Hillary. Over time her numbers against Mccain would drop especially amongst the low information types. When considering her tendancy to fudge the truth and her vote to authorize the Iraq war she would have difficulty in a general election campaign making the type of case that an Obama would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 05/28/2008

Obama beat Hillary 79% to 17% in Idaho on February 5, 2008

John McBush beat Ron Paul 70% to 24% YESTERDAY

What's wrong with McBush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/28/2008

Uneducated white people - the mainstay of the republican party for decades. Timid, myopic and gullible, along with a dash of sexism and racism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 05/28/2008

Great !!!
He's competitive after the Republicans have destroyed the country.
Why don't we have someone who should be a slam dunk against them?
I really don't care for Obama but, I will vote for him over McCain.
However, I don't think he will do well in the most important states that have been deciding elections like Ohio, PA, Florida.
I live in the Bronx and I have not run into white males who are voting for him.
Obama supporters ignore the fact that his former rabble rousing preacher and angry wife are to much to overcome to many voters who's votes would normally be ripe for the picking after the disaterous
Bush years.
White men wouldn't vote for a Vietnam vet who volunteered and chose the draft dodging, crap 1st term president instead.
Not to mention he has to win the Clinton supporters(who are 1/2 of the Democrats)
I am a true Democrat but I dislike a lot about my party right now.
To me this site and most who post on it is a Fox News for Obama, nothing but the most unflattering pics and headlines for Clinton or anyone who ctiticizes Obama.
Good luck to the Democratic party in a year we couldn't lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 05/28/2008

I'm just worried that she's goign to take this to the convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 05/28/2008
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Yeah, I think we can count on it. People who know the Clintons keep saying the don't think they will, but I have to wonder how well they know them, because I really believe that whatever happens Saturday about FL and MI she will appeal to the convention...meaning no answers, and 3 more months of having to listen to her!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/28/2008

Where "Key Voters" mean the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 05/28/2008

Victory = 270 electoral votes. Who's winning now? Start with the Bush-Kerry 2004 Rep-Dem electoral vote distribution. Then, go to RealClearPolitics.Com (Election 2008 Latest Polls). Dating back to early May, it lists polling results by various organizations* for PAIRS of head-to-head match-ups, McCain-Clinton and McCain-Obama, in 27 states**, some surveyed more than once. For each state, take the latest of the PAIRED outcomes and plug the commensurate apportionment of electoral votes into the Bush-Kerry template. As of May 28:

M - C - Tossup = 199 - 312 - 27. M - O - Tossup = 292 - 246 - 0.

In McCain v. Clinton, John flips no states; Hillary flips AR, FL, KY, MO, NV, NM, NC, and OH from red to blue. In McCain v. Obama, John flips MI from blue to red; Barack flips CO, IA, and NM from red to blue.

Other projections at Electoral-Vote.Com and FiveThirtyEight.Com as of May 28:

M - C - T = 194 - 327 - 17. M - O - T = 248 - 266 - 24.

M - C - T = 251 - 287 - 0. M - O - T = 265 - 273 - 0.

Average of projections:

M - C - T = 215 - 309 - 14. M - O - T = 268 - 262 - 8.

* Behavior Research Center. Deseret News. LA Times/KTLA. Mason-Dixon. Quinnipiac. Rasmussen. Research2000. SurveyUSA. Virginia Commonwealth University.

** AL-AZ-AR-CA-CO-FL-GA-IA-KS-KY-MI-MN-MO-MT-NE-NV-NH-NM-NC-OH-OR-PA-TX-UT-VA-WA-WI

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 05/28/2008
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Five months ago
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1/24/08

Clinton - 47
Obama - 31
Edwards - 12

* polls this far out don't mean squat

How about this; let's not have any Primaries or Caucuses. During the Dem. convention lets go to RealClearPolitics and look at the matchup polls and see which candidate it says has the best chance. And that one will be our Gal/Guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 05/28/2008
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