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May 29, 2008 07:57 AM EST | AP

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Justin Vargas fuels up his truck which he uses for his work in carpentry and construction at a gas station in Half Moon Bay, Calif., Tuesday, May 27, 2008. Vargas fuels up his truck mostly with bio-diesel to save on expenses. He then tops off the tank with diesel. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

NEW YORK — The gasoline price record keeps getting broken with each passing day. AAA puts the national average for a gallon of regular at a record $3.95. It's jumped 35 cents in the past month and is 76-cents-a-gallon higher than a year ago.

If you need premium, it's also never been more expensive. The auto club says the national average for premium is $4.35. That's an 84-cent-a-gallon jump over last year.

Oil prices fell back Thursday ahead of a report expected to show U.S. inventories of crude and petroleum products grew last week.

Prices remained volatile, though, buffeted about by threats against Nigerian oil facilities, worries about falling gasoline demand in the U.S. and a strengthening U.S. dollar.

By midday in Europe, light, sweet crude contract for July delivery was down 65 cents at $130.38 a barrel in electronic trade on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

In London, July Brent crude fell 86 cents to $130.07 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange.

The Nymex July contract dipped below $126 a barrel Wednesday in New York before recovering to finish at $131.03, up $2.18. At its low in the floor session, oil was more than $9 off the record high it hit last week above $135 a barrel.

"Fears that soaring oil prices could damage demand continue to weigh on sentiment," said a report from research firm JBC Energy in Vienna, Austria.

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The reversal from the floor session's close came with a renewed strengthening of the dollar and ahead of the U.S. Energy Department's inventory report, to be released later Thursday.

In the last couple of days, the dollar has rebounded against both the euro and yen, receiving some support Wednesday when the U.S. Commerce Department said orders to American factories for big-ticket manufactured goods fell by a smaller-than-expected amount in April.

That was taken as a possible signal of a rebound in the slumping U.S. manufacturing sector and the dollar strengthened back above the 105 yen level, while the euro dropped below $1.56.

When the dollar declines, investors tend to buy commodities such as oil as a hedge against inflation. But a stronger dollar makes oil more expensive to investors dealing in other currencies, and the tendency usually reverses.

Also, a survey of analysts by Platts, the energy research arm of McGraw-Hill Cos., indicated that U.S. crude oil stocks were expected to have grown 750,000 barrels in the week ended May 23.

The Platts survey also indicated analysts were expecting a build in U.S. gasoline stock of 400,000 barrels, and a build in distillate stocks, which include heating oil and diesel fuel, of 800,000 barrels.

Prices were still being supported, though, by further threats against Nigerian oil facilities. Those threats led investors in the U.S. to at least temporarily set aside concerns about falling gasoline demand.

On Wednesday, the Nigerian rebel group The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta threatened new attacks on oil installations to mark the one-year anniversary of President Umaru Yar'Adua's inauguration. A weekend attack by the group on an oil facility cut about 130,000 barrels of the nation's oil production, according to Addison Armstrong, director of market research at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut, in a research note.

News of disruptions in Nigeria, one of Africa's largest producers and a major U.S. supplier, have helped push oil prices higher over the past year.

That contended Wednesday with the growing belief that U.S. demand for gasoline is falling as the average retail pump prices approaches $4 a gallon ($1.05 per liter). That belief was supported by two new surveys showing Americans consuming less gasoline.

Demand for gasoline fell 5.5 percent last week compared to the same week last year, according to the weekly MasterCard SpendingPulse survey. The survey also found that, on average, demand over the past four weeks is off 6.3 percent compared to the same period last year.

A separate CreditCards.com survey of about 1,000 people found that more than half have cut back on their driving due to high fuel prices.

In other Nymex trading, heating oil futures fell 2.08 cents to $3.8035 a gallon while gasoline prices were down 1.31 cents to $3.4345 a gallon. Natural gas futures rose 1.9 cents to $12.014 per 1,000 cubic feet.

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AP Business Writer Thomas Hogue in Bangkok, Thailand, contributed to this report.

NEW YORK — The gasoline price record keeps getting broken with each passing day. AAA puts the national average for a gallon of regular at a record $3.95. It's jumped 35 cents in the past month a...
NEW YORK — The gasoline price record keeps getting broken with each passing day. AAA puts the national average for a gallon of regular at a record $3.95. It's jumped 35 cents in the past month a...
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- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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If we restructured how far people live from where they work we could save more gas than all the prius's in the universe could.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 05/29/2008
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And how would you restructure that? Force people out of their homes and move them at gunpoint (figuratively, I hope) closer to their jobs? Or force them to take jobs (any jobs) closer to home, even if they have to change occupations?

Better focus on solutions that have some chance of working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 05/29/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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People will do it of their own free will if they can't afford gas. The current system of some people commuting several hours a day is outrageous. At no other time in history has a society been organized in such an ineffiecient way. During World War Two they rationed rubber, gas, sugar, even green paint. Change is painful but when the result of not changing becomes more painful then people start to think differently. They already are now, look at how much less people drove this last weekend than usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 05/29/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 160 fans permalink
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We're now paying for the last 50 or so years of spreading ourselves out in such an inefficient manner. It'll have to turn around and go back to "walking distance" and "mass transit" philosophies but it will take a hell of a long time to undo the self-inflicted damage. We could have had these advantages but the people who actually run things (yes, the big bad corporations... and I'm not just talking about during republican regimes) made bigger profits by convincing us they were commie plots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 05/29/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 51 fans permalink
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The change will be driven by market forces. Suburban sprawl was possible only during the era of cheap gas. That era is over. Properties close-in to jobs and shopping will gain in value and those out in the boonies will decline. Of course this process will take time and will involve some pain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 05/29/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 61 fans permalink
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If we restructured how far people live from where they work . . .

This restructuring will occur naturally as gas gets to 10 -20 dollars a gallon. People aren't dumb. They will abandon living in the boonies and move into town where the gas and jobs are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 05/29/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 22 fans permalink

Sounds communist. Dormitories for the masses? Let the rich live out in the country side as we toil away to support their lifestyles? Get in that breadline, peasant!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 05/29/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 286 fans permalink

It's called "mixed use zoning" Right now, most communities don't allow stores and homes to coexists, etc...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/02/2008
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"Fuel" prices are not going to come down. "Alternative" fuels could possibly be made cheaper, but we will not see these fuels in common use unless/until the oil companies gain control of all those sources and manufacturing. Once they have control, they can protect their profits and coincidentally, control the prices of these fuels as well.

Unless a magic invention surfaces that would eliminate the need for petroleum totally, don't expect any changes. Even then, if something were discovered that worked well, it would be resisted and/or buried by those whose profits relied on the status quo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 05/29/2008

The magic invention is called "hybrid car". Oil won't go away completely over night. After the peak it will shrink by about 4% or so a year. If you replace your car with a hybrid, you get a 50% advantage in fuel consumption. All else being equal that is enough to get you past the next decade. Then we talk about the future steps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 05/29/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

Further, I doubt that the oil companies will come out on top after Peak Oil, because most of them are in a state of denial and have convinced themselves that there are unlimited quantities of oil to be drilled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 05/29/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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My Harley gets 50 miles to the gallon. Some scooters get 90.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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Your approach is optimistic. I am not nearly as hopeful. It takes 20years to shift gears to a new technology. Hybrid autos will help to bridge the gap, but I fear it will not be nearly enough. Like you pointed out, our electrical grid needs major investment.

We are s crewed because we failed to start sooner. There will be a depression at the least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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The magic invention is ELECTRICITY. We need major investments here, including several hundred acres of solar panels in the deserts and a new DC backbone. Energy needs to be decentralized, as each home and business could have a solar roof.

In Spain all new commercial buildings must have solar panels generating a huge response in solar architecture and design with thin films and solar glass. These new technologies require a different approach to Power Inverters, for example, demanding a parallel low voltage system (as supplied by startup STG-V, or mainstream XTX) as opposed to the soon-to-be-obsolete and dangerous serial high voltage.

So investing in New Energy or electrical power stocks is probably the way forward. I am waiting for GE to dip below $30. GM is already near bottom and will probably rebound next year with the serious marketing and release of the new VOLT car. Oil shares are probably near or at peak. The market is already down and may yet crash yielding buying time for electrical stocks.

Any other suggestions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 05/29/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

Never mind... keep your hands over your head!

"Perhaps 60% of today"s oil price is pure speculation"

by F. William Engdahl
Global Research, May 2, 2008

"... given the unchanged equilibrium in global oil supply and demand over recent months amid the explosive rise in oil futures prices traded on Nymex and ICE exchanges in New York and London it is more likely that as much as 60% of the today oil price is pure speculation. No one knows officially except the tiny handful of energy trading banks in New York and London and they certainly aren"t talking."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

and:

"OPEC member Iran is storing about 25 million barrels of heavy crude oil in tankers in the Persian Gulf. The country expects to move the stored crude by the end of the second quarter or early in the third quarter, an official from the National Iranian Oil Co. said Wednesday.

"In other words, there is so little demand that they have completely used up their on shore storage capacity and don't expect to clear this inventory until October. Clearly it is time for Senator Byron Dorgan's Bill to raise commodity margin requirements. All of this talk from our President and others about third world growth being responsible for dramatically higher commodity prices is nonsense."

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/14/speculation_oil_prices/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/29/2008

"Perhaps 60% of today"s oil price is pure speculation"

The operative word there is "perhaps". He pulled a number out of his nose and wrote an "article" around it. If you buy into that kind of "research", you are killing yourself financially by believing that the price will eventually and magically go down by 60%. Of course, in reality it won't and you are, at best, waiting for the tooth fairy to bring you a gift.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 05/29/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

... and if you believe all those sweaty futures traders and oil execs aren't selling you and the country down the river for a few pieces of silver, you're living in BushWorld. Nothing "magical" about it... I figure every subpoena ought to be good for about a $5/barrel price drop, and each remand to the Federal pokey ought to bring a good $20.

Maybe you can vacation on one of those Iranian tankers... after they offload in the Fall at inflated prices, thanks to the good ol' boys on Wall Street.

The tooth fairy wears a moustache and swings a gavel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 05/29/2008

[sarcasm]Another ignorant leftist on the role of speculation in fuel prices:[/sarcasm]

http://www.mcadforums.com/forums/files/michael_masters_written_testimony.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/29/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

Bingo!

... but you'll never convince the reactionaries hell-bent on drilling in Grandma's flower bed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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It is HEAVY CRUDE that there is a shortage of refining capacity for. Refiners are scrambling to add a coker to handle this low end oil, but it is a major capital expense (hundreds of millions of dollars). There is extra profit in this unwanted lower priced oil, so refiners have initiative to upgrade.

READ:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4038#more

But the greater point is that you place all your faith and argument upon articles that have no sources, are little better than rummer and speculation, and are the minority opinion. While speculation is acknowledged and is a legitimate part of free markets, no expert is predicting oil to drop below $70 which is still 4 times higher than the year before this Bush/Cheney administration took office.

Talk about grasping at straws!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 05/29/2008

Right on, impeccably, precisely placed, guys! All of these links make this very clear - our top Joker encouraged more speculation in 2006 by allowing more loopholes for people with money, to trade futures all they want. Without ever touching or seeing or using a penny of what they buy and sell by the tankers, right?

Demand has barely increased while supply has plateaued. And prices have quadrupled. Who pulled THAT rabbit out of the hat? A remarkable macroeconomist like GWB? Spending $250 M/day in an effort to control oil prices in the Middle East? Yeah, Baby - you got it coming! WE got it coming, big time too!
Sorry guys, this part of Capitalism was condemned more than a 100 years ago by an old beard by name of Marx as "unproductive speculation".
And as long as we stay home and complain about it - sure that is convenient, absolutely, and very safe too (like internet sex) - it will take a price of gas in the teens to make anything happen. Would you all come around with an action plan - perhaps a license to allow electric cars, hybrid cars, air cars, in the US of A! As of right now they are all a ghost - we see them, we know about them, but somehow we can't get our hands on them.
Until Mass Media says that "Demand for Oil has shrunk" the speculatrs will keep playing their game, Gentlemen. That is what it will take to

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 05/30/2008
- leduck I'm a Fan of leduck 47 fans permalink
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ok -- this is getting annoying...
believe what you want folks..., there is just as much ignorance on the left as on the right.
look at a graph of world oil production please

rough numbers according to EIA, IEA and U.S. energy information
average world crude oil production in millions b/d per day (approximate numbers (I’m looking at some graphs, not tables)

2006 84.5 million b/d
2005 84.3 million b/d
2004 82.5 million b/d
2003 77.0 million b/d
2002 76.5 million b/d


2007 and 2008 are similar to 2006
world oil production rises until about 2005 and then plateaus
while world oil demand continues to rise

this is the main problem (though the falling dollar compounds the problem)
politicians b.s., lie and distort all the time
but the truth is out there if you’re willing to look

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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Please post link.

In 2007, American consumption fell by about 300,000 bpd. Chinese consumption increased by a whooping 14%. Russian PRODUCTION surprised the experts as it FELL. Some experts think that Iranian and Saudi oil fields are in decline.

Glowing news reports that the Saudis could increase production from 9.44mbpd to 11.5 failed to mention that only AFTER billions spent over the next several years, this was best guesstimate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 05/29/2008

www.theoildrum.com links to much of the data. Just ignore their survivalist section and the "wood burning oven discussing, tomato growing, home composting" Olduvaialists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 05/29/2008
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"but the truth is out there if you"re willing to look"

Ah no, sorry, but if you are looking at figures solely provided by the oil industry [an industry that isn't now nor ever has been transparent], then you know exactly what they wish you to know, despite your best efforts at research.

have a look at this instead:

http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/651928.html

And then this:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JE29Dj02.html

Between the two you begin to get a sense of the reality of what we are dealing with. Peak oil isn't a fantasy, but it isn't a current factor either.

Speculators are running the price up, and suppliers are equally engaged in the upward pricing spiral via production restriction; both are taking advantage of the situation. While it's not quite that simple, suffice it to say that oil suppliers will not allow the current bubble exist long enough to spur true, dedicated efforts to produce alternative energy sources.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 05/29/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

See above (where your head is pointing).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 05/29/2008
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In the real world, W's war effort is what is killing the supply--the military is the LARGEST consumer of petroleum. W's ignoring of alternative energy solution for seven years is killing us. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler have contributed by not seeing the light at the end of the oil...they should have been developing electric cars, fuel cells and hybrids. The congress should have REGULATED the auto industry and built an infrastructure for mass transportation of rail. Carter had it right by having solar panels on the White House roof.

Of course, Ronald Reagan tore them down in 1980. Imagine where we'd be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 05/29/2008

The US military makes up about 1.6% of total US oil consumption. That's hardly a deal breaker. If you fuel up your car, a pint of that or so goes to the military. So there goes that myth.

EVERY president after Carter slept on the energy issue. Gore might have done something, but then, he did not get elected... shoulda, woulda, coulda...

Toyota and Honda are offering very nice hybrids and small cars with superior mileage are being offered by ALL (non-luxury) car makers in the European market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 05/29/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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That's funn I remember that they use the same amount of gas as the entire civilian population of the states. Just with any smog controls on their vehicles. Anybody have a link with the correct information?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 05/29/2008
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Actually, there are quite a few nice hybrids and high mileage vehicles. We could all switch tomorrow. Except, of course, for that inconvenient little detail that those darned auto makers want us to actually PAY for the things. In order to take on a car payment, I'd have to be able to live in it, because I sure couldn't pay rent and buy a hybrid, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 05/29/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

You've got to love that some people are so anti-alternative energy that they will tear down an investment to prove it. Ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 05/29/2008

something to think about....

May 24, 2008
Whither the Price of Oil?
By John Mauldin
Why has the price of oil risen so much in the past few months? Is it a supply and demand issue as some believe; or is it because of an out-of-control futures market driven by the proliferation of commodity index funds and rampant speculation, as everyone tries to get in on the rise in commodity prices?

full story:
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/05/whither_the_price_of_oil.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 05/29/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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If this is the case, isn't some Congressional regulation in order?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 05/29/2008
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Why, yes, it is. At least part of the blame lies on the rampant efforts to deregulate the industry, cheered on courtesy of W and friends - who also have benefited mightily from soaring prices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 05/29/2008
- bgregs I'm a Fan of bgregs 4 fans permalink

Can somebody please explain this logic to me? I asked a gas station manager why he raised the price of gas when the oil went up, and he claimed that it was because he would have to pay more for gas in the future, so he had to raise the price to cover the cost in the future. Two days later the price of oil DROPPED, and I asked him why he didn't drop the price of his gasoline. His response? He had paid more for the gas in the tanks, so he had to keep the price up to cover the cost.

When I worked in the meat department of a grocery store as a kid, we weren't allowed to raise the price of beef if the price went up on the futures market. Whatever we paid for it, plus a reasonable markup, was all that we were allowed to charge our customers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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Read your own words and then contemplate why you WORKED for the butcher rather than owned your own business. Free Enterprise, remember?

In my business I quickly learned that low price was useless. I raised my markup substantially, lost my cheap-assed clients and was able to offer a much higher level of service with a much better level of client.

Free Enterprise, remember?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 05/29/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 51 fans permalink
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Apples-and-oranges comparison. Gasoline is a fungible commodity, not a service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 05/29/2008
- bgregs I'm a Fan of bgregs 4 fans permalink

Um..... Maybe because I was a teenager. Or maybe because I STILL don't make enough money where I work to be able to start my own business!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 05/30/2008

"Whatever we paid for it, plus a reasonable markup, was all that we were allowed to charge our customers."

There is no such terms as "reasonable markup" in economics theory. There ain't no such term in the law, either. Maybe you worked for some soft-hearted local store owner when you were a kid. But that hardly describes the reality in the business world.

Anyway, if the business I work for did not return 50% of revenue as a profit, I would feel that we had a bad year. We are, by the way, the cheapest among our major competitors (cutting their prices by 40-50% on average) and our customers love us for our quality.

But if I had to run a marginal business like a gas station where the profit margin is a few percent, at best, the one and only thing I would do on day one is to sell the business and invest the money in something else because almost any other type of commercial activity pays better than retail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 05/29/2008
- bgregs I'm a Fan of bgregs 4 fans permalink

I was working in the meat department of a grocery store. Reasonable markup was no more than anyone else was charging, and on average we were making around 5-7%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 05/30/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

The government takes on average $0.47 per gallon, while the Big Bad OILCOs take about $0.08 on average. Who's gouging who?

Open up drilling off the coast and anywhere else they can find it. The committee responsible for okaying such legislation just recently voted NAY to allow a bill to go to the Senate floor for a full vote opening up OIL SHALE in CO. The vote was along party lines 15 Dems NAY, 14 Repubs Yea. Go figure. The DEMS are playing this to the hilt, allowing all of us to suffer at the pump and elsewhere for short political gains. Congress MUST go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 05/29/2008
- bgregs I'm a Fan of bgregs 4 fans permalink

Please explain how the "Big Bad OILCOs" are only taking $0.08 out of a gallon. This is such bs that ANYONE can figure out that you don't know what you're talking about!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm........Yah, it's 8 cents for advertising in each gallon.

It does not matter how much oil is yet undrilled, it is not enough to meet our demand for one year. Oil shales take one barrel of oil to produce two barrels and waste 2 barrels of fresh water for every barrel of oil of oil produced.

REDUCE YOUR CONSUMPTION

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/29/2008
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Why use accurate numbers when you don't have to? It's Republican math LOL. According to the most recent figures I've found, somewhere between 8-10% of the cost of gas is profit. Pure profit, the "we've paid everything off and this is what's left" kind. Which translates into 36-40 cents of every gallons at the current $4 gallon average, not 8 cents per gallon.

Still doesn't sound like much, until you realize that that ISN'T all the oil companies get - remember, that's the PROFIT on every gallon. All those lovely high costs they keep telling you must be paid - the drilling, the exploration, the refining (those nifty ads telling you how wonderful they are), those things have all been paid already, by you, before the oil company takes their 40 cents.

Golly jeepers, now, doesn't that make it easy to understand why the oil companies need huge tax credits and incentives? Obviously they can't afford to stay in business...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 05/29/2008

Let me know when that magical oil shale oil hits the market. It hasn't for 50 years since the shale scam is under way. It's a but like that silver mine paper you got from your grandfather... it will be worth millions any day now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 05/29/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

Here, neocon... tip your bifocals on THIS, clear the cobwebs and see if you can remember what ELSE happened in 2003!

http://static.seekingalpha.com/wp-content/seekingalpha/images/OilPrices.GIF

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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Huffington Post uses a hot-word scanner to send posts for review before posting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 05/29/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

"Congress MUST go"

Are you advocating fascism or anarchy?

As a member of the younger generation, I am appalled by the short-sighted "open up drilling off the coast and anywhere else they can find it" mentality. Global oil supply is not limitless, and we need to start working on our next source of energy. If you are anti-Dems, I can put a free market spin on this too, if you like: higher oil costs will trigger interest in alternative energy sources, which could potentially save my generation and our children after the boomers have sucked up every last drop of crude and retired happily to the Hummer in the sky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 05/29/2008
- coyote4 I'm a Fan of coyote4 70 fans permalink
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We as in you and me, your mother and my father, our cousins and neighbors and the mailman. It's mea culpa time folks. I told you this years ago when Huffington first started up: repentance, sackcloth and ashes; then dry your tears and get off your ass and do something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 05/29/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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This is the type of thinking that got us in this mess. Come up with a stop gap solutions then panic the next time prices go up. Like after the crisis in 73 cars got smaller but as soon as gas went back down, back to the stupid bulgemobiles that people are still dumb enough to be driving around now. They are good only to use as planters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 05/29/2008

What in the world are you talking about?!?!

oil prices are not going down by any measure

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 05/29/2008

He is talking about short term market fluctuations. People who either don't understand the economy or have to write a daily column for a living do that a lot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 05/29/2008
- mike53 I'm a Fan of mike53 8 fans permalink

For those of you posting that are so passionate about greedy oil companies you can do something about it. If you invest in mutual funds make sure that none of them have oil company stock. You could be an investor in big oil and not know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 05/29/2008

True. But oil companies make money by exploration, leases on oil fields and by selling the oil and natural gas from those fields. They don't really care much about stock prices as long as they are profitable. So it really makes no difference to them if small scale stock owners start selling their papers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 05/29/2008
- mike53 I'm a Fan of mike53 8 fans permalink

My point was not about hurting the oil companies. It was if your going to complain about them make sure you don't own stock. Many in here complain about big oil..but a lot of working people own stock in these companies now. Its just not the rich anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 05/29/2008

Don't worry, the Democrats in Congress are pushing NOPEC legislation.
According to them, this legislation will solve all of our concerns.
Really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/29/2008
- mike53 I'm a Fan of mike53 8 fans permalink

Great. I won't sleep tonight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/29/2008

It's gonna kill OPEC! No seriously... they are laughing so hard already over there, it's only a matter of minutes before they topple over and suffocate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 05/29/2008

Then we will then launch our most devastating weapon at them.
Lawyers.
What the Breck girl doing now days?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 05/29/2008

W caused peak oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 05/29/2008

What's W?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/29/2008

I'm guessing George W Bush...aka 'Dubya'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 05/29/2008

I figure if push comes to shove, I can spend about $500 on gas a month (and still have plenty of money over for savings or fun). At the same time my Prius needs no more than 20 gallons a month for my typical commute. So as long as gas prices stay below $500/20gallon=$25/gallon, I will be cool. I believe this to be true for most middle class Americans (even though few will have much money left after footing that bill). So there is really no reason why gasoline could not go near or even over the $20/gallon mark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 05/29/2008

Typical, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you," attitude. You must be on drugs or something. Everything goes up with the price of oil. Trucks that ship goods to the marketplace have to pay more, driving up the prices for food and clothing and everything else you would buy. Home heating and cooling
costs go up.
Why do you drive a Prius if you are so fortunate to be able to pay $500.00 for twenty gallons of gas??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 05/29/2008

Don't mind him. He rarely says anything of substance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 05/29/2008
- Johnz52 I'm a Fan of Johnz52 5 fans permalink
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The ONLY reason pump rices are going through the stratosphere is GREED. We have heard for years a wide variety of reasons why gas prices rise. The bottom line is that Exxon, Mobile, Arco and the rest of the oil companies continue to post record profits. When a Senate subcommittee grilled oil company CEO's last week only one could "remember" what he was being paid. These elitist thieves need the same treatment the French gave their aristocracy back in 1789. Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years for income tax evasion and these criminals remain free to continue robbing the American public. I guess this is democracy at work. Execute the CEO's and nationalize the oil companies. You'd see the rest of corporate upper management that is exploiting American workers fall into place real quick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 05/29/2008

If you think oil companies are making too much money, start your own company taking less profits for your trouble, and drive them out of business. The fact is that in the 90's when oil was $11 per barrel, oil companies were hurting big time. A lot of the new exploration and investment into alternative fuels stopped dead in its tracks. Having booms and busts is part of the normal business cycle, and begrudging these companies of their profits during a boom is shortsighted. Why micromanage it all? We give the oil companies subsidies during the bad times and slap them with windfall profits taxes during the good. It's all unnecessary.

Neville Chamberlain ran for office advocating for "windfall profits" taxes in England. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 05/29/2008

Dude; "oil companies were hurting" ? Not hardly they were still making millions of dollars each quarter in profits. The truth is that Bushwa and company have allowed the oil companies to get greedy and hurt every one in this Country in one way or another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 05/29/2008
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What an absurd reply; as long as oil is at least $25/bbl,oil companies are making very good profits-when it's a $130/bbl, those profits are astronomical. I assure you that what you propose is quite doable--but you'd need a few hundred million in start-up capital to even play on that field.

Idiots like you embrace capitalism not as an economic model, but as a religion, and like all religious nuts, you will go to any lengths to justify yourself and the nonsense that you believe in so sincerely.

Unregulated capitalism is a moron's preferrred method of presumed gain, all the while knowing and not caring that millions will suffer when the boom finally busts. No sane, moral human being can justify such an approach, which is why the republicans are knee-deep in all forms of denial and self-deception; across the board, your ilk has embraced the trappings of justice and morality while falsely embracing all that stinks of depraved self-interest.

You'd best get yourself in order...this ballgame, and all aspect of how it is played, is going to change, and you are not going to like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 05/29/2008
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In one sentence you say they were "hurting," in another you mention the government subsidies. Way to contradict yourself, bozo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/29/2008
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naw, it's greed. The oil copies have posted huge profits yet again. It's a five letter word - greed.
Buy a bike. take the bus. It'll be better all around, you and the climate.
But, the reason the prices are going up is oil company greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 05/29/2008
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