Clinton Rally Organizers: We'll Back Obama If He's Nominee

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First Posted: 05-30-08 02:10 AM   |   Updated: 06- 6-08 05:12 AM

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"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?"

The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken by one organizer of this weekend's planned demonstration outside the hotel where the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee is set to (maybe) decide the fate of Michigan and Florida's much-disputed delegates -- reflect the widespread sense of persecution that is currently felt among some prominent Democratic activists and fundraisers.

Largely female and supportive of Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, these political actors look upon a contest they view as essentially tied and are dumbfounded by the vitriol being directed not only Clinton's way, but at their own efforts to "count every vote" in all the Democratic primaries.

In a series of interviews with The Huffington Post, key figures connected to the WomenCount PAC -- one of the groups sponsoring this weekend's action -- each described this Saturday's rally (or "protest," depending on whom you ask) as reflective of small-d democratic values, and not as an expression of support for any particular candidate. But with the idea of counting Michigan and Florida's compromised polls at full strength seen by Sen. Barack Obama's supporters as a Trojan horse position that would lead to a continued Clinton campaign through the convention, that's proved to be far from an easy sell.

"We are not exclusive from Obama supporters at all," WomenCount communications director Rosemary Camposano insisted. Noting that while most members of the group are Clinton partisans, and that if the newly formed group had been created at the beginning of the primary process "we probably would have endorsed Clinton," Composano said the focus for now is on "supporting progressive ideas for women."

That, and counting all the votes from the controversial Florida and Michigan primaries. Regardless, Camposano said that the group has invited several prominent Obama backers to co-headline this Saturday's speaking lineup, but admitted they have not had any significant RSVPs on that score.

Still, they say their efforts have been a success, if for no other reason than the outpouring of support they've received from women who feel as intensely about this race as they have about any other in the past.

"When we formed WomenCount PAC, we had been hearing for several weeks a low rumbling of outrage, that it was not understood that women wanted to be heard and recognized in this race as an important voting block," Camposano said. "Instead we're constantly being cast as whining women. The PAC formed exactly two weeks and two days ago during a meeting in an office in New York, and we raised $250,000 in four days. ... It's been a massive viral thing, and I have not slept in two weeks."

But what particularly rankles some of the group's key backers is the sneaking sense that they're getting dissed by the Obama campaign. Earlier this week, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe seemed to characterize the group's efforts as an attempt to "create chaos" around the DNC meeting. For many of these women, his remark seemed of a piece with the systematic denigration of female political participation that inspired them to organize in the first place. Activist Jill Iscol said she found Plouffe's remarks "somewhat insulting," and that the message the group has sent out to demonstrators is that Saturday's event should be "a peaceful, fun day, during which we send a message to the DNC that they need to count every vote."

Sharp criticism of Obama advisers was, tellingly, a common thread among all those connected to this Saturday's rally who spoke to the Huffington Post -- one of whom even went so far as to describe Obama strategist David Axelrod as "Karl Rove on steroids." On ABC's This Week last Sunday, Axelrod predicted that, if for no other reason than to block pro-life Sen. John McCain, Democratic women would vote for the junior senator from Illinois this fall regardless of his choice for VP or how the question of Clinton's campaign is ultimately resolved. Another prominent fundraiser who asked not to be named described that attitude as "not helpful" in terms of getting the Clinton women on Obama's side if he indeed winds up being the nominee.

Not one of this weekend's key organizers sought to criticize Obama directly, however. Several even offered him praise. And paradoxically, given the level of distaste for Axelrod's assumption of their ostensible fall support, all of the WomenCount organizers predicted a fast Democratic healing should Obama emerge victorious -- but not, perhaps, for the same reasons Obama advisers anticipate.

Put simply, according to one activist: "Hillary will force us to back whoever is the nominee."

"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?" The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken ...
"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?" The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken ...
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- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Thanks for your support but there is no If about this. When he is the nominee when. I just dont understand why people think Hilary can with the popular vote she cannot its comparing apples and oranges.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 05/30/2008

Carol-- I honestly believe that this is something that the media is trying to drum up as a wedge issue. I have talked to many Hillary supporters lately and the ones I have talked to realize that this primary season is all but over and Barack Obama will be the nominee and have they will vote for Barack in the fall. It is paramount that as democrats we realize that we all need to come together and stop being so hateful on these blogs. We have the Republicans to beat in the fall-- a war to end, an economy to save, bridges and roads that need repaired, schools that need our attention-- and we all need to come together to get this done.

Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/30/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 221 fans permalink
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It is hard to be conciliatory when TRUE elistis like the woman from Martha's Vineyard come on and slime Obama supporters as being the ones who are elitists and for stealing from the Clinton's glory stash. It saddens me that the Huffingtonpost has not seen fit to have a female columnist to rebut these outlandish accusations. (Maybe there has been one or two and I just missed them, but it seems to me that the modal female columnist here has been somebody touting Hillary...at least in the past 6 weeks or so). There have been plenty of male columnists pointing out the absurdity of the Clintons' claims, but those just give Bill fodder for his accusations of misogyny and disrespect.

I am beginning to feel like a one-person vigilante group taking on these women whenever they come here to spew. I suspect I am on the verge of being thrown from this site because I just can't take it anymore when they continue with their paranoid baloney about poor Hillary, poor themselves, bad Obama, bad Obama supporters picking on poor little Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 05/30/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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"But what particularly rankles some of the group's key backers is the sneaking sense that they're getting dissed by the Obama campaign. Earlier this week,"

Who cares? Either stand up for what you believe in or stand down. Why does it matter what the Obama campaign says about you? Honestly, these groups sound less and less like real feminists the more I hear from them. Personally, I think this rally is going to reflect badly on Clinton, but if that's what they want to do, then at least have some self-confidence about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 05/30/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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That said, I appreciate the willingness to support Obama. It's the first time I've heard that statement from any group officially supporting Clinton. It's very much appreciated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/30/2008
- NavyMom44 I'm a Fan of NavyMom44 4 fans permalink

My issue is not supporting Obama, but explaining to my 12yr with a high IQ that breaking the rules is NOT ok....these women should know the majority of schools has assignments regarding elections. This year my sons along with with his team has concentrated on the "lies" instead on the history, so we spent the majority of this semester trying to instill, again, that lying is NOT acceptable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 05/30/2008
- Charmed I'm a Fan of Charmed 31 fans permalink

Now they are mad because Obama supporters will NOT be out there acting a fool with them. They will have the camera's all to themself come Saturday. I can't wait to see this dog and pony show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 05/30/2008
- sanywhere I'm a Fan of sanywhere 2 fans permalink
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i know that some misguided obama supporters are going. it is a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 05/30/2008
- Charmed I'm a Fan of Charmed 31 fans permalink

sanywhere, I really hope they wouldn't do that. I'm guessing at this point some republicans will pretend to be Obama supporters just to keep the foolishness going but one interview from them will show they are not real supporters especially since they can't get an official RSVP from any of his supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 05/30/2008
- rinpochet I'm a Fan of rinpochet 49 fans permalink

It's rather amusing that now Hillary wants to "count every vote" while when she signed that pledge to not campaign in FL or MI and that their votes wouldn't count, she was fine with that.

These women have short memories. They don't see that this demonstration is ONLY about Clinton power. Apparently ALL the Hillary supporters such as Ickes pushed this through originally and now have the chutzpah to support demonstrations against it?????

These women are being used by Hillary and don't have the sense to see it. Doesn't do much for promoting a positive view of our intelligence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 05/30/2008
- emmaspeaks I'm a Fan of emmaspeaks 3 fans permalink

They want a woman as president. They have no concern for what Hillary will or will not do after. She is not good for her word...and she's 'my way or the high way." They don't care about her tactics, they just want a woman president. The concern is not for the country or anything else of importance. Having a woman president is not going to put our country in a better position in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 05/30/2008
- sanywhere I'm a Fan of sanywhere 2 fans permalink
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wow, the morning is so much better at blogging than the night people. i agree, good point. i think that is what we have been given for so long, no choice that we are used to picking a candidate for title-democrat, republican, woman, black. this is the first year since i could vote that i am excited by my choice. obama is the only one that will make the country better. that is what is infuriating about all of this nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 05/30/2008
- UpstateNY I'm a Fan of UpstateNY 46 fans permalink

Chris Matthews said something interesting this morning - You have to separate wanting a woman President (which I do) from wanting Hillary Clinton as President (which I don't).

Hillary Clinton is not a good candidate - she just isn't. Not because she is a woman - because she is Hillary Clinton and would not be electable because of all her admitted 'baggage', because of the 8 years of a Clinton administration that got so little done (we still didn't have health care at the end of their 8 years), because of her lack of a clear message (she was all over the place until she found her 'voice'), because she was willing to pander (gas-tax holiday - hear any more about that?), because she was willing to lie (Bosnia sniper fire), because of the way she handled her campaign (so poorly that they seemed to believe the primaries were winner-take-all) and the way she handled her finances, because of her whining when she was behind and accusing Obama of whining when she was ahead, because she thinks is okay to use a real issue of discrimination against women for her own selfish purpose.

For all those reasons (and more), Hillary Clinton is not my choice. The fact that she is a woman is not enough to change that! Thankfully, we now have many qualified, honorable women who would make a wonderful Presidential nominee. I look forward to having them run and to supporting them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/30/2008

I find it ironic that they want to count votes from Puerto Rico (not a state, no votes in the EC) but not from Iowa.

Can a "count every vote" person please xplain that to the rest of us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 05/30/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 55 fans permalink
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"If" he is the nominee?

Welcome to the 'camp' that is going to support election of President Obama - we need all the help we can get.

However - the 'IF" is a bit unrealistic - unless Obama self-destructs he IS the nomine. I still wish the nominee was Kucinich,... but I can work with the idea of a President Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/30/2008
- Deparis I'm a Fan of Deparis 25 fans permalink

You go pal, my first dog in this fight was Congressman Kucinich. When he lost, I did not whine about it and so didn't he. It's called losing with grace. Now I am a strong believer in the candidacy of Sen. Obama and I will work very hard to make sure that he is our next President. These women are just a bunch of bitter losers; not that women issues is not an agenda to support, but allowing themselves to be manipulated and misled by Sen. Clinton just shows how misinformed and stupid they are. You can cry sexism or misogyny all you want, but I wouldn't shy away from calling them who they truly are. I have women in my life or around me who will do better than this bunch and their leader. Hillary has been living with the illusion created over the years by media hypes that she was a strong politician, her bubbles have burst and now we know who she truly is. Politics is not about mastering policies' details, it's more about mastering the electorate, communication, charisma and leadership. Policies' details is left to advisers and Sen. Clinton should have understood the coded jab when Sen. Obama told her during a debate that he looked forward to her also advising him. Sen. Clinton will make a fine legislator or cabinet advisor or Secretary in an administration. Leadership is not her good suit and it's about time she understands that.

Deparis

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 05/30/2008

"Put simply, according to one activist: "Hillary will force us to back whoever is the nominee.""

that's a pretty scary statement. why not just say "we don't think for ourselves, we take direction from hillary"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 05/30/2008

And if Hillary doesn't force you to support the Democratic nominee, you won't vote for Obama and the interests of women? Are you forgetting about Roe v. Wade and the possibility of Supreme Court nominees. How about good schools for your children and grandchildren? Do you like paying over four dollars per gallon for gas? Another war in the Middle East that could take more of our loved ones? The list goes on. By not supporting the Democratic nominee, splitting the votes, or whatever, you are essentially electing McCain. Think about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 05/30/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 221 fans permalink
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Yes, but there is "support" and then there is "SUPPORT." Hillary and Bill showed up at the conventions in both '00 and '04 and sucked all the air out of the auditorium...who could forget Bill's long walk down that long hallway and how DRAMATIC that was. But, afterwards, their absense from the campaigns of the candidates who ought to have followed them into the White House was conspicuous. It was as though they were sitting on their hands and hoping for a Bush victory to keep the seat in the Oval Office warm for her. If her supporters have any concrete memories of either Clinton campaigning with any verve or sincerity for either Gore or Kerry, please tell me where or when this happened.

My guess is that what Hillary means by "support" is that they will stop saying bad things about Obama and try to win back some respect from Democrats in the senate and from the party leaders. There seems to be a lot of rampant Clinton-disgust going around right now, and the cold shoulder she got when she appeared on the senate floor recently might just be the tip of that particular iceberg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 05/30/2008

I am a strong Hillary supporter and this statement is nonsense. She nor any
one else will EVER convince me to vote for Barack (worship ME or else)
Obama. He is GWBush in democratic drag. A narcisscistic megalomaniac.

You Obama folks are the ones who take the orders and you know it.
Obama is a child leading children. He's the one who played the racism
card to good effect. Straight out of the Rove playbook. Hit your
opponent on their strengths.

Why don't you check out how he got his start in politics, in Chicago,
and then get back to me about how he's going to change the political
climate in DC. Yeah, he'll change it to Chicago style politics.

You all act as if she's getting in the way of the Second Coming.

I will not fall in line and support the creepy Obama. However, when I
get in the voting booth and vote for McCain (while holding my
nose and voting Dem down ballot) I will do like Obama does: I'll make
that mark "with reservations".

And I am fully aware of Hillary's failings.

You can call me all the viscious names you like. I no longer care.
And remember, my vote counts as much as yours does.

When Obama gets the nomination that's the moment I join the
Green Party. I want no part of any organization with him as it's
leader. And I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/30/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Great post.

"He is GWBush in democratic drag" That's what I have been thinking all along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 05/30/2008

Fine "sweetie" if you won't vote for him. That is your right as an American...but, because you won't vote for him, it won't change the fact. The fact that he will still be the Democratic nominee. Some of you Hillary supporters sound like spoiled brats. You know how when your kid asks you for a soda pop and you tell them no they can't have a soda but, offer them juice instead because it's what's best for them, then they throw a tantrum and tell you if they can't have the soda, they don't want anything. This is what you guys sound like. Get over it already!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 05/30/2008

Someone .......Please sound the TROLL ALERT. They are all amongst us seeking to sow discord. And you know who you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 05/31/2008
- TheShadow I'm a Fan of TheShadow 12 fans permalink

I also found the statement that the previous poster ebtide pointed out pertaining to "force" as a very odd. To those ladies who would rather fight than switch, I say:

Go ahead, vote for McCain, or stay home on Election Day out of spite. You reap what you sow, and the Supreme Court appointees that McCain will appoint will make sure you pay for your emotional (yes, emotional) ignorance for the rest of your lives, and the lives of your children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 05/30/2008

You DO know that Obama voted to confirm Roberts, Bush appointee to
the Supreme Court, don't you? Roberts is not exactly a pro choice justice.

But Obama voted to confirm "with reservations". That made it ALL better.

Figure it out. Obama will sell you out in a minute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 05/30/2008

What the hell do these female Clinton backers expect? How dare they complain! Why are they surprised at the impatience and hostility emanating from the Obama camp? Do they really think it was acceptable for Hillary Clinton to throw all that crud at Barack Obama and his campaign simply because she wanted to become the next President of the United States, and to take such an attitude of entitlement to it? Hillary Clinton has run a very, very dirty campaign. I wonder if she realises that overseas she has left people, especially women, feeling shell-shocked, embarrased and absolutely disgusted. The whole point of having women in high office is so that they can bring with them the noble feminine aspects and utilize them to change society and make it more balanced and humane. Embodying all that is the worst in human character in order to attain such high office turns the whole objective into pointless rubbish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 05/30/2008

i agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 05/30/2008
- DocJerome I'm a Fan of DocJerome 22 fans permalink

I too, concur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 05/30/2008

Ditto!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 05/30/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

Good comment, sarasoon. Especially the sentence beginning "The whole point of having women in high office . . ."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/30/2008
- Thabit I'm a Fan of Thabit 21 fans permalink

Well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/30/2008

This information is contrary to what I find posted on the HillaryClinton.com blog. Among themselves they are pledging to disrupt the event, and be as loud as possible, not to settle for a compromise in vote count, to take it to the convention etc. One person who suggested that they stay quiet was quickly overridden by the mass of supporters who want to force Hillary down everyones throat. There is much anger and hate of Obama on the site. Certainly nothing about acceptance of another candidate besides HRC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 05/30/2008

I wonder if they have hired Leni Riefenstahl to make a documentary of it. "Triumph of the Women."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/30/2008

Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" was overwhelmingly tedious and blindly arduous of Hitler; I'm finding Sen. Obama's supporters similarily tedious and blindly arduous.

And the act of affiliating anyone who is opposed to Sen. Obama to a Hitler propagandist actually , in itself, reflects the Nazi propaganda strategy. It also reflects Pres. Bush's progandist strategy. It doesn't reflect a spirit of "hope" or "change." But I guess it does reflect Sen. Obama's strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 05/30/2008

Then they will just be playing into the same tone as the Clinton campaign has used most of this primary season. Our country needs someone who plays by the rules and maintains a calm demeanor. Obama has shown his strength under fire. Clinton has not! That will not sit well with the Superdelegates. Most of them have already gone Obama's way, and I have to believe that the way Hillary has run her campaign is the main reason for this. She has not been rational and that is now passed on to her supporters. I have to give some of her supporters credit for seeing the writing on the wall. I heard last night that Ickes (sp.?) took two other campaigns to the convention, and both of those candidates lost in the general election. He is bad news!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 05/30/2008
- ebbtide I'm a Fan of ebbtide 16 fans permalink

"Hillary will force us to back whoever is the nominee." ????????

Force seems to be Hillary's chosen style.

I would guess this is going to backfire. Indeed, sarcastic, plaintive or weary, hysterical is how many will see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 05/30/2008
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