Clinton Rally Organizers: We'll Back Obama If He's Nominee

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First Posted: 05-30-08 02:10 AM   |   Updated: 06- 6-08 05:12 AM

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"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?"

The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken by one organizer of this weekend's planned demonstration outside the hotel where the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee is set to (maybe) decide the fate of Michigan and Florida's much-disputed delegates -- reflect the widespread sense of persecution that is currently felt among some prominent Democratic activists and fundraisers.

Largely female and supportive of Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, these political actors look upon a contest they view as essentially tied and are dumbfounded by the vitriol being directed not only Clinton's way, but at their own efforts to "count every vote" in all the Democratic primaries.

In a series of interviews with The Huffington Post, key figures connected to the WomenCount PAC -- one of the groups sponsoring this weekend's action -- each described this Saturday's rally (or "protest," depending on whom you ask) as reflective of small-d democratic values, and not as an expression of support for any particular candidate. But with the idea of counting Michigan and Florida's compromised polls at full strength seen by Sen. Barack Obama's supporters as a Trojan horse position that would lead to a continued Clinton campaign through the convention, that's proved to be far from an easy sell.

"We are not exclusive from Obama supporters at all," WomenCount communications director Rosemary Camposano insisted. Noting that while most members of the group are Clinton partisans, and that if the newly formed group had been created at the beginning of the primary process "we probably would have endorsed Clinton," Composano said the focus for now is on "supporting progressive ideas for women."

That, and counting all the votes from the controversial Florida and Michigan primaries. Regardless, Camposano said that the group has invited several prominent Obama backers to co-headline this Saturday's speaking lineup, but admitted they have not had any significant RSVPs on that score.

Still, they say their efforts have been a success, if for no other reason than the outpouring of support they've received from women who feel as intensely about this race as they have about any other in the past.

"When we formed WomenCount PAC, we had been hearing for several weeks a low rumbling of outrage, that it was not understood that women wanted to be heard and recognized in this race as an important voting block," Camposano said. "Instead we're constantly being cast as whining women. The PAC formed exactly two weeks and two days ago during a meeting in an office in New York, and we raised $250,000 in four days. ... It's been a massive viral thing, and I have not slept in two weeks."

But what particularly rankles some of the group's key backers is the sneaking sense that they're getting dissed by the Obama campaign. Earlier this week, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe seemed to characterize the group's efforts as an attempt to "create chaos" around the DNC meeting. For many of these women, his remark seemed of a piece with the systematic denigration of female political participation that inspired them to organize in the first place. Activist Jill Iscol said she found Plouffe's remarks "somewhat insulting," and that the message the group has sent out to demonstrators is that Saturday's event should be "a peaceful, fun day, during which we send a message to the DNC that they need to count every vote."

Sharp criticism of Obama advisers was, tellingly, a common thread among all those connected to this Saturday's rally who spoke to the Huffington Post -- one of whom even went so far as to describe Obama strategist David Axelrod as "Karl Rove on steroids." On ABC's This Week last Sunday, Axelrod predicted that, if for no other reason than to block pro-life Sen. John McCain, Democratic women would vote for the junior senator from Illinois this fall regardless of his choice for VP or how the question of Clinton's campaign is ultimately resolved. Another prominent fundraiser who asked not to be named described that attitude as "not helpful" in terms of getting the Clinton women on Obama's side if he indeed winds up being the nominee.

Not one of this weekend's key organizers sought to criticize Obama directly, however. Several even offered him praise. And paradoxically, given the level of distaste for Axelrod's assumption of their ostensible fall support, all of the WomenCount organizers predicted a fast Democratic healing should Obama emerge victorious -- but not, perhaps, for the same reasons Obama advisers anticipate.

Put simply, according to one activist: "Hillary will force us to back whoever is the nominee."

"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?" The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken ...
"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?" The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken ...
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- mickeyrat I'm a Fan of mickeyrat 2 fans permalink

Please, let's make sure Obama wins. As a life-long opponent of Roe v. Wade, I can't WAIT until McCain gets elected, appoints a couple of more pro-life judges, and that despicable decision will be reversed.

Obama all the way (up till election day!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 05/31/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

The tow-truck is on its way to pull Johnny out of the latest ditch into which he's done another half-gainer. By the time November rolls around, McCain will be a parlor joke.

Hope you have a good sense of humor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 05/31/2008
- Pyfagorus I'm a Fan of Pyfagorus 159 fans permalink
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What, do you own a wire coathanger factory or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 05/31/2008

Is it only me, or do others feel that not one comment made by the women quoted in this piece was logical? In other words, I don't understand anything that they said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 05/31/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Hillary really is doing a disservice to these women by making them spend their money and take their time for a lost cause.

Hillary is such a user.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 05/31/2008

"Are we as a party, supposed to pick the best candidate to win the election or the best person to run the country"? Both!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 05/30/2008
- Sixtwo I'm a Fan of Sixtwo 2 fans permalink

Inherent in the "best candidate" is the "best person"! Is this not one and the same? Distinction?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 05/31/2008
- TheQuis I'm a Fan of TheQuis 3 fans permalink

George W Bush was a great campaigner. But He hasn't been the best commander in chief. There are many examples of people in business that are great at building companies and horrible at running them, Wayne Huizenga comes to mind.

Part of the job of the President is to be good at campaigning but that doesn't necessarily mean they are the best at handling the day to day functions of he office. Unfortunately there is no way to know if someone will be great at being the president until they're actually the president. It's not a job that you can get a whole lot of experience at before you take it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 05/31/2008

No...CEOs of companies are not necessarily the best person..meaning everyone likes him/her...but they might be the most logical best candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 05/31/2008
- TheQuis I'm a Fan of TheQuis 3 fans permalink

That being the case it's very difficult to make a case for Sen. Clinton, whom i greatly respected before this campaign, with either of those criteria.

Trying to make a decision about which candidate will win the election by looking at the polls has proved to be unfruitful at best. According to polling Sen. Clinton should have wrapped this whole nomination wrapped up by February 5th. Which she state herself. At one point Sen. Clinton actually had 70 percent of the black vote. But once the campaigning actually started and the voting occurred polls were proved very wrong.

Now looking at a campaign as a microcosm of a presidency. Sen. Clinton has fewer delegates (which is the measuring stick of victory) even though she started the race with more money and more delegates banked (remember she had 96 super delegates banked before IA). With an advantage of cash and name recognition she still has been brought to the brink of defeat. The fact that Obama "hasn't closed the deal" is a credit to how far behind he started this campaign.

Without the benefit of either candidate campaigning in Florida or Michigan they both end up being nothing more than name recognition polls. And in Senator Clinton running virtually unopposed in michigan she still had only 55% of the vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 05/31/2008
- mickeyrat I'm a Fan of mickeyrat 2 fans permalink

wrong, stop lying, Hillary never had over 50% of Democratic support. If she was supposed to win more easily, why did so many pols jump into the race. I realize as an Obamabot you th ink you're brighter than everyone else, but, come on, you think you're brighter than all those Dems who jumped into the race?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 05/31/2008
- Sixtwo I'm a Fan of Sixtwo 2 fans permalink

For the record, I am a woman. It's a dam if you do, and a dam if you don't. I applaud the Obama camp for showing professionaism, and respect for the DNC meeting tomorrow. WomenCount PAC organized for the sole purpose of DEMONSTRATING tomorrow to try to influence the committee to "change the rules" in the middle of the stream--a bunch of "hysterical women"! Demonstrating is not a viable vehicle to get the nominating rules changed. Hillary needs to return to Congress; and, begin the process of getting the rules changed by 2012. Florida and Michigan broke the rules and must pay a penalty, compromise of some sort is a right solution to recognize the voters because of what happed to them by the powers to be. Furthermore, who would want a Commander-in-Chief who cannot run an effective/efficient campaign to lead the country! Her campaign has shown instability in its focus--flip-flopping and many other undesirable characteristics. PEACE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 05/30/2008

geraldine ferraro was just on orielly making a case that barack obama is racist and sdexist ... way to reunite the party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 05/30/2008
- mickeyrat I'm a Fan of mickeyrat 2 fans permalink

since he has played the race card repeatedly, I don't see anything the matter with the claim.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Wait till November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 05/31/2008

seriously think before you talk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 05/31/2008

Well...so ...that's her opinion and I admire that she will stand up and say what she sees. Michelle Obama is such a hard core racist...don't you think that has rubbed off on Obama since she rules the roost and thus the country....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 05/31/2008

Do you progressiveamerican believe a "hard core" white racist would wed a person half black?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 05/31/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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Simply,


----- > A Mess!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 05/30/2008
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I don't know why the Obama supporters are seen as anything negative for supporting him. I would have loved to elect a woman president, but I just don't support HRC. I appreciate that people love their candidates, but I couldn't love her if I wanted to. Sorry..... She's far too undiplomatic for me, and I have been watching since 1992. I don't want to steal anyone's thunder or hurt anyone's feelings, but I simply adore Barack Obama. I think he's the answer to our nation that is swiftly declining. We need a savvy diplomat to bring our status in the world to a much higher level. Hillary is too stubborn and unyielding for my concerns. We need an empathetic government. We are just starting to be free of the 8 years of oppression we have had to endure. If I am wrong about Barack, I will be his worst critic, but I don't think I am!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 05/30/2008
- TheQuis I'm a Fan of TheQuis 3 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 05/30/2008
- Siren I'm a Fan of Siren 3 fans permalink

awesome video, its spot on young hillary is nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 05/31/2008

I will be there passing out my pant-suits.com coupons.

cash in while the getting is good.

Thanks Hillary for bringing pantsuits back from the dead.
The ladies luv you.

http://media.point2.com/p2a/htmltext/df6d/f663/1b99/df82c6ed10804db6f7ff/original.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/30/2008

ahh come on I myself hope obama picks her as VP I really cant stand her ,but lets face it we need her and bill to clean-up 8 years of bush mess .I see with her we will have a smart bulldog as vp and bill can sweet talk anyone and we need that to repair our standing in the world.

Since Obama will be the pres i dont see them hurting him but helping and in the long run we will have a real team for the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 05/30/2008
- TheQuis I'm a Fan of TheQuis 3 fans permalink

Remember folks, POLLS are POLLS!!! They don't necessarily reflect what will be the actual choices of the electorate. Remember A year ago Senator Clinton was ahead in practically all the polls and held 70% of the African American Vote.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/16/poll.2008/index.html?eref=rss_politics

Reading that article, you'll also see that Rudy Guiliani was the presumptive Republican Nominee. There's a huge difference about what happens when the games actually count for real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 05/30/2008
- johnwinner I'm a Fan of johnwinner 13 fans permalink

Lying Dixiecrats; no one needs them. The secret no democrat is admitting: Looking at the demographics, Obama wins without any Hillary support at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 05/30/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 49 fans permalink
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I don't think that's true. She got half the votes. All those Democrats weren't dixiecrats, nor racist, nor any of the other epithets that were hurled their way in the heat of the moment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 05/30/2008
- luvthelaw I'm a Fan of luvthelaw 4 fans permalink

It's true that she got almost half the vote (even tho the pop vote doesn't count) but those votes are not all lost to Obama. Many of those who voted for Hillary early on have switched to Obama. Many others who support her are willing to support him in the general. And by November, many others will have gotten over their disappointment and will see that McCain is too much Bush to let him into the WH.

In the worst case scenario, if 40% of Hillary supporters refuse to vote for Obama, that would come to about 7 million votes. Of course, I'm sure Obama would love to have them all but it isn't a number that can't be overcome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 05/30/2008
- johnwinner I'm a Fan of johnwinner 13 fans permalink

the real democrats among them will vote the democratic nominee - I was referring to the Clinton Cultists, who will vote McCain if not Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 05/30/2008

I think this is a good site for electorial map, and they update it daily:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 05/31/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Hillary did not get half the votes. To arrive at that magical number she has to discount four whole states, give herself some ludicrous number from FL and MI, and count Puerto Rico which does not vote in the general election.

She does not have the women, either - just a few of the women.

And if you subtract the votes she got from Operation Chaos... well, you do the fantasy math Hillary's way if you wish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 05/31/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Really. There are demographics that show Obama wins without ANY Hillary support all.

Where is that link? I would like to see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 05/30/2008

That's B.S. You can't ignore over 17 Million votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 05/31/2008

Sir i implore you to show me the map!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 05/30/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Do you comprehend that the Republicans have not even begun to campaign against Hillary? They have a huge box of scandals and she has been running essentially unopposed by either Obama or McCain.

If Hillary steals this nomination, the Republicans will rip her to shreds. Her ephemeral electoral map will be shredded, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 05/31/2008
- thedirtman I'm a Fan of thedirtman 18 fans permalink
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Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Missouri. Obama rolls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 05/31/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 49 fans permalink
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I've waited a long time for a "revolution". Silly me, I thought we were going to get it with Al Gore. You should've seen my arguments with Bush supporters. They were all about "rich old white men running everything". There's no way I'm going to vote for McCain. Oh, I played with the thought for awhile. It would certainly poke a stick in the eyes of every Rush Limbaugh conservative. But no, I've been waiting for the next FDR all my life. We've got so many problems that we need to solve and only the Democrats are going to address them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/30/2008
- yrerbendr I'm a Fan of yrerbendr 3 fans permalink

Great thought. My Dad was a FDR Republican. All my life I have listened to him praise FDR. I have been waiting for the President that would claim my support in this way; someone who could speak, think, and lead the country like FDR. Only time will tell if this season's Democratic candidate (and it is reasonable to believe it will be Obama - he certainly can speak and think) will rise to the challenge. It is hard to imagine, but I know for a fact how many Republicans hated and still hate FDR and his policies. Changing the course of the Republican polilcies is going to be a brutal fight. This why we - the Democrats - must unify.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 05/30/2008
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It seems to me that Axelrod was giving them the benefit of the doubt, thinking them to be rational, loyal democrats- or at least protective of women's rights.

Apparently, if they are offended by this, then they have the same 'if you don't nominate who I want, I'm going to throw a tantrum' mentality.

Let's wait and see what happens saturday. I have a feeling it won't be the happy, happy, joy, joy type of gathering this woman claims it will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 05/30/2008

TBTSword, I am with you on the comments of Axelrod. For the life of me I can't see why any woman would be offended by that! He said, anyone who wants a woman's right to choose should stick with Obama.
How is that offensive? Anyway, I have given up trying to understand some of these women. Thank god most women even if they support Hillary are as sensible as the women supporting Obama.
That is a good common ground that will translate into Obama getting the majority of the woman vote come November.
There is no doubt in my mind, the election will be a landslide in favor of Obama. And the Democratic party, of which I am not a part usually(as you figured out I am an Independent who will be voting Democratic this year straight down the ticket), will be united.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/31/2008
- Liam617 I'm a Fan of Liam617 2 fans permalink

What is up with the closing remark about women will vote for Obama when Hillary forces them to do so??? Free will, anyone? Anyone?

My main point for writing: I think some of the comments from Hillary supporters quoted in this article (as well as some replies posted here) show the degree to which their feelings have been hardened and their minds closed. How can anyone say that Axelrod's point (that, at a minimum, by November women will contrast the competing positions on Roe and see Obama is better then McCain) is patronizing or sexist or whatever...? Some people are showing that they are all too willing to take offense at anything and everything because it allows them to rationalize Hillary's inability to win the race. Everyone is a sexist. Everything Obama or Axelrod says is elitist or patronizing or marginalizing of women. Please.

Hillary lost the race (or, at least, the end game is in motion and the race will be over for her in the next week). Many of her supporters are angry and will be for a while, but if they value their interests and those of the country, they ought to support the Dems in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 05/31/2008

Axelrod's arrogant comment just shows how out-of-touch Obama's campaign is with certain groups. Obama is not the uniter he's cracked-up to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 05/31/2008
- luvthelaw I'm a Fan of luvthelaw 4 fans permalink

Does anyone know what time the meeting starts tomorrow?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 05/30/2008

It's on C-Span from 9am to 1pm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 05/30/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Some people are donating to Obama's website as the meeting is in progress - our own little peaceful protest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/31/2008

I'm going to the Native American casino and spend some of my stimulus check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 05/31/2008
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