Clinton Rally Organizers: We'll Back Obama If He's Nominee

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First Posted: 05-30-08 02:10 AM   |   Updated: 06- 6-08 05:12 AM

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"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?"

The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken by one organizer of this weekend's planned demonstration outside the hotel where the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee is set to (maybe) decide the fate of Michigan and Florida's much-disputed delegates -- reflect the widespread sense of persecution that is currently felt among some prominent Democratic activists and fundraisers.

Largely female and supportive of Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, these political actors look upon a contest they view as essentially tied and are dumbfounded by the vitriol being directed not only Clinton's way, but at their own efforts to "count every vote" in all the Democratic primaries.

In a series of interviews with The Huffington Post, key figures connected to the WomenCount PAC -- one of the groups sponsoring this weekend's action -- each described this Saturday's rally (or "protest," depending on whom you ask) as reflective of small-d democratic values, and not as an expression of support for any particular candidate. But with the idea of counting Michigan and Florida's compromised polls at full strength seen by Sen. Barack Obama's supporters as a Trojan horse position that would lead to a continued Clinton campaign through the convention, that's proved to be far from an easy sell.

"We are not exclusive from Obama supporters at all," WomenCount communications director Rosemary Camposano insisted. Noting that while most members of the group are Clinton partisans, and that if the newly formed group had been created at the beginning of the primary process "we probably would have endorsed Clinton," Composano said the focus for now is on "supporting progressive ideas for women."

That, and counting all the votes from the controversial Florida and Michigan primaries. Regardless, Camposano said that the group has invited several prominent Obama backers to co-headline this Saturday's speaking lineup, but admitted they have not had any significant RSVPs on that score.

Still, they say their efforts have been a success, if for no other reason than the outpouring of support they've received from women who feel as intensely about this race as they have about any other in the past.

"When we formed WomenCount PAC, we had been hearing for several weeks a low rumbling of outrage, that it was not understood that women wanted to be heard and recognized in this race as an important voting block," Camposano said. "Instead we're constantly being cast as whining women. The PAC formed exactly two weeks and two days ago during a meeting in an office in New York, and we raised $250,000 in four days. ... It's been a massive viral thing, and I have not slept in two weeks."

But what particularly rankles some of the group's key backers is the sneaking sense that they're getting dissed by the Obama campaign. Earlier this week, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe seemed to characterize the group's efforts as an attempt to "create chaos" around the DNC meeting. For many of these women, his remark seemed of a piece with the systematic denigration of female political participation that inspired them to organize in the first place. Activist Jill Iscol said she found Plouffe's remarks "somewhat insulting," and that the message the group has sent out to demonstrators is that Saturday's event should be "a peaceful, fun day, during which we send a message to the DNC that they need to count every vote."

Sharp criticism of Obama advisers was, tellingly, a common thread among all those connected to this Saturday's rally who spoke to the Huffington Post -- one of whom even went so far as to describe Obama strategist David Axelrod as "Karl Rove on steroids." On ABC's This Week last Sunday, Axelrod predicted that, if for no other reason than to block pro-life Sen. John McCain, Democratic women would vote for the junior senator from Illinois this fall regardless of his choice for VP or how the question of Clinton's campaign is ultimately resolved. Another prominent fundraiser who asked not to be named described that attitude as "not helpful" in terms of getting the Clinton women on Obama's side if he indeed winds up being the nominee.

Not one of this weekend's key organizers sought to criticize Obama directly, however. Several even offered him praise. And paradoxically, given the level of distaste for Axelrod's assumption of their ostensible fall support, all of the WomenCount organizers predicted a fast Democratic healing should Obama emerge victorious -- but not, perhaps, for the same reasons Obama advisers anticipate.

Put simply, according to one activist: "Hillary will force us to back whoever is the nominee."

"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?" The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken ...
"You're not going to write that we're a bunch of hysterical women trying to create havoc, are you?" The tone is part weary, part sarcastic, and a little bit plaintive. The words themselves -- spoken ...
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- TheQuis I'm a Fan of TheQuis 3 fans permalink

The argument that Sen. Clinton is a stronger candidate against McCain because of the polling figures fails on the merits of why she's in this predicament in the first place. Didn't these same polls predict that Sen. Clinton would wrap up the primaries very quickly and that the race would be over before February Fifth which she has said herself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

I respect Sen. Clinton for her service to this country. But the evidence in this issue simply doesn't back her up. Can you find any person that would have thought that New England was going to lose the Superbowl?

Are we as a party, supposed to pick the best candidate to win the election or the best person to run the country. If you look at the way the campaigns have been run, with all due respect, I wouldn't trust Sen. Clinton to run my Ice Cream Parlor let alone America. She was ahead in the polls and had a larger war chest and now she's losing the election and she's in debt up to her ears. What evidence is there that she won't do the same with my hard earned tax dollars.

The Kennedy Assassination remark was the last straw. Imagine making that kind of mistake with the leader of Iran, who might have interpreted it is a veiled threat against his safety. Then she decides, no apology to that Leader is necessary. Wars have been fought for much less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 05/30/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 46 fans permalink
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The Democrats could easily solve this "dilemma" by simply choosing Hillary as V.P. running mate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/30/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Clinton would be a liability for Obama. 60% of Americans believe she is not trustworthy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 05/30/2008
- luvthelaw I'm a Fan of luvthelaw 4 fans permalink

How does she explain saying McCain would be better as Commander in Chief? I wonder if she will even be able to campaign effectively for him after that - so that rules her out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 05/30/2008

See Donna Brazille's piece - finally she's come out! It's marvellous stuff
Among other things,
"Why not? What would Democrats gain by taking this debate any further, especially when the party is now engaged in the kind of polarizing politics that we once denounced the GOP for using for partisan gain. What can be won by tainting the process, arguing the rules are now unfair, or worse, the Republican rule of winner-takes-all should have guided the Democrats as well? All this fuss is simply about saving face and waiting to see whether some awful thing tarnishes the presumptive nominee. It's shameful, short-sighted, mean-spirited and morally unacceptable. Now, I said it.

To my longstanding friends in the feminist community who have called out the media as being culturally sexist and misogynistic, it is time to help educate the American public about the corrosive impact of sexism in politics and elsewhere. But we can have this dialogue without using divisive language and political tactics that further threaten to divide our country and party. If another woman comes up to me in an airport and suggests Obama should wait his turn, I might scream, "Stop it!" This is not about who should be first, it's about who has the most delegates and who might make the best president of the United States.

http://www.donnabrazile.com/viewNews.cfm?id=27

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 05/30/2008

How, can you even ask that of him? What if the roles were reversed, do you seriously think she would ask Obama to be the VP and be honest with yourself? You've seen all the underhanded deeds she done to Obama to win this election? She nor Bill would make that offer because they wouldn't trust him with a 10 foot pole. They think he is a goodie, goodie and they wouldn't be able to do their closed door/underhanded deals. I seriously think she would make Bill the VP to keep the power in their family and don't forget about Chelsea, I'm sure there's a position waiting for her as well.

She doesn't bring anything to Obama's table; their views are different. She thinks McCain would be a better President and that was a significant hurtful statement against Obama. She thinks he's weak, she thinks he's naive, she thinks he's inexperienced, she thinks he's to young, she thinks he's an elitist, she doesn't respect him at all, and the reason for that is because this black man is standing in the way of what she wants, she works with lobbyist and he doesn't, she's inept with finances, he's brilliant which is what we need right about now. She is throwing this race to McCain, so once again; why would you ask Obama to put her on his ticket with all that in mind? Looking at those reasons if this was your campaign, would you put her on the ticket?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 05/30/2008

I think that's the only honest option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 05/30/2008
- janmB I'm a Fan of janmB 7 fans permalink

AFTER THE WIN IN IOWA --- HILLARY WAS ALL DONE ACCORDING TO THE OBAMA CAMP AND ECHO'D BY THE MEDIA. WE HEARD THIS FOR MONTHS WHILE WE STOOD BY OUR TV =S AND RADIO HELPLESS-LY LISTENING TO all THE SEXIST REMARKS ---AND SEEING THE INTERNET NASTINESS. FOR MONTHS we have been hearing that same prattle.
HEAR THIS. FOLKS We are Hillary's supporters not her puppets and WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA AT ALL. LET HIM LOSE.
Where is the democratic outcry over this latest insult by Pastor Wright's congregation who were clapping and cheering ? Seemed RACIST to me. Seemed hateful of women .
The BLACKS would never stand for this treatment of Obama but women are cheering in his behalf and then will wonder why they are abused by society---because THEY accept ABUSE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 05/30/2008
- TheQuis I'm a Fan of TheQuis 3 fans permalink

Who in the Obama Camp said she was all done? Yes there were some tv broadcasters that said she was in trouble, but no one said she was all done. She was the presumptive Nominee. You're quoting talking points instead of making critical arguments. After Obama's loss in NH those same pundits were saying HIS campaign was in trouble. So please get your facts straight.

Yes the words spoken at Trinity Church were racially tinged at best but the sting is taken out when the image of this "racist" was that of a White Roman Catholic Preacher. Sorry, you're not gonna scare white people with other white people acting racist. That would be like a black person getting upset with Larry Elder or Alan Keyes. Yes the comments were wrong, and yes there was a denouncement. But like you said about the RFK statement, move on.

Women are cheering for Obama because he has supported them on votes for reproductive rights and he has supported them on votes for equal pay. Hey has an identical voting record on women's issues as Sen. Clinton. The only thing missing i guess is the shared chromosome.

One final question, I've seen this as a pattern. Let's blame Barack for things other people have done. Can you point to the malice that Barack himself has put upon Hillary or America?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 05/30/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

Looks like the Hillary supporters who are left are illiterates too. We know who her "base" is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 05/30/2008

I know, I know, writing in all caps may make a point, but screaming and yelling is all we are getting from Hillary's supporters. I, as a woman of color, am appalled by the constant use of Blacks as the support mechanism of Barack's campaign for the Democratic nomination. I might be black, but I am also a woman. My color does not make me one without the other, but looking at the news, my color is all anyone sees - are we all gender neutral?

Most, if not all of my family and friends, came to Obama after their chosen candidate(s) had left the race. He may be the last male on the ballot in Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota (in Ohio, the original seven candidates were on the ballot - Dennis Kucinek requested his name to be removed), but what does that have to do with a sexist choice? I am sure there are other people (i.e. Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, etc.) that voted in the primaries and caucuses that have been held in the previous contests. Do you count them as also playing a race card?

To continue a movement based on racism or sexism will be the worse move for the Democratic party. The Republicans will unite behind their candidate (McCain), and in doing so, will start a barrage of hate emails, deceptive commercials, and corrosive literature before the general election. Arguing now will only hurt all candidates for public office in the November elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 05/30/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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"OBAMA THE GREAT" IN 08' !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 05/30/2008
- Lerk4 I'm a Fan of Lerk4 8 fans permalink

That's right... threaten ONCE AGAIN to vote for McCain. Do so, and be accountable to your daughters who you'll be sentencing to a horrific future. But that's okay... because it's all about YOU.

- a hard-working, middle-aged, white woman for OBAMA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 05/31/2008

I keep reading and hearing about a "unity ticket" with HRC as VP. Really. What does one do with Bill? How do you think HRC is going to act in her second-place role? Do you really believe she is not going to go behind President Obama's back to her buddies in the Senate and Congress and call in favors to get anything SHE wants approved through and to sabotage things she didn't have a hand in and don't laud her viewpoints? There will be no unity ticket if Obama is as smart as I think he is, because doing so would guarantee NO unity!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 05/30/2008
- LadyM9 I'm a Fan of LadyM9 3 fans permalink

After the assassination comment, Clinton can't be V.P. If you're Obama, you want a VP who wants to support you and help you run the country. You don't pick the person who is hoping that you get assassinated. There are plenty of other qualified Dems (both male and female) that he could pick for VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 05/30/2008
- cadbury I'm a Fan of cadbury 4 fans permalink

There is really only one resolution to the current mess: Unity ticket!

Let's be clear that there have been plenty of slights (real and/or media-driven) on BOTH sides. But seriously folks, this was/is a political campaign, not the freakin'Mickey Mouse Club! And now it's time for Hillary and Barack to kiss and make up. In most primary election scenarios, pairing these two talented, historic candidates would be a no-brainer. It should be here as well. Please don't tell me that Bill is the problem. Or that the Clintons will somehow engineer President Obama's demise. Or that she is too evil for the pure (!) Obama, and will undermine his message. What sheer and utter nonsense!

Hillary has won at least half of the votes cast in 2008 and almost half of the delegates. To heal rifts in the party, she MUST be offered VP; it should be up to her to decide whether or not to accept. PERIOD!

Campaign advisers, Dr. Dean, Senator Reid, and Speaker Pelosi: GET ON THE STICK AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN, SO WE CAN GET ON WITH IT AND WIN BIG IN NOVEMBER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 05/30/2008
- luvthelaw I'm a Fan of luvthelaw 4 fans permalink

She can't be on the ticket after saying McCain is better qualified to be CinC. That's why you shouldn't say thing like that about an opponent in a primary - you have to be able to walk it back so you can work with that person for the general, whether you win or lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 05/30/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

She demonstrated terrible judgement, then - and proved she is not commander in chief material, nor understudy for the same either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 05/30/2008
- cdub1991 I'm a Fan of cdub1991 61 fans permalink

The Imperial Presidency has become almost a given. Now, with Cheney, we have the emergence of the Imperial Vice-Presidency. The Constitution didn't even intend for the Presidency to be as powerful as it's become. That's applies an order of magnitude more for the VP position.

Party unity is nice and all, but it would be a major strategic error for Obama to choose Clinton as his VP running mate. I'm not even talking about whether she would be an asset to the ticket for the general election. And no, I'm not saying she's evil.

It would be a major error for Obama to create such a powerful secondary center of power in his administration. (I'm assuming he's going to win, which he will.) With the two Clintons working together, there would always be a question of who was really running the show. A great leader isn't afraid of having strong lieutenants, as long as they all know and accept that they serve at the President's discretion. I can't see the Clintons swallowing and reigning in their ambitions to serve in such a position. Obama's going to have enough to worry about without having to keep an eye to his back to see who's holding the letter opener.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 05/30/2008

Take a look at in a different way they Do have the same things they want to get dont it isnt like they are that far apart on policy. I think she would be a far better VP then some stuffed suit and will really be able to get things done when her and Obama get on their bully pulpits.
After 8 years of bush we need a strong combo in the white house to combat whatever comes our way and in that case Bill is really a plus because he knows the way to get things done on the world stage I might not like it but as a whole we could do alot worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 05/31/2008

The idea that this organization is not partisan is just trying to make women's voices hear is patently ridiculous, and as transparently false as Bush's lies about Iraq in 2002 and 2003. Please, stop insulting our intelligence. You're gung-ho Clinton partisans, own it with some dignity.

That said, the ideas that WomenCount profess to support are good ones. Once the primary purpose for this group's formation--which is emphatically NOT to make women's voices heard, but to advocate for MI and FL delegates on Clinton's behalf--is no longer needed, I hope they do get around to helping all women's voices be heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 05/30/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

Read post below on Suzie Tompkins Buell - she's behind the PAC - she's a multi-millionaire and a Clinton bundler.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 05/30/2008
- Exit I'm a Fan of Exit 10 fans permalink
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Even if you think Hillary was treated unfairly, you can not blame Obama for it. Blame Florida, Michigan, the media, Bill Clinton, or Howard Dean, not Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 05/30/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

The primary election mess in MI and FL was not done to Hillary. The superdelegates in those states voted to do that to their own states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 05/30/2008

Obama's campaign worked closely with the media, jumping on every word Clinton said and exaggerating, starting rumors, etc. Yes, Obama is in charge of his campaign, so he is to blame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 05/31/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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"supporting progressive ideas for women."

OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 05/30/2008
- Tommygun264 I'm a Fan of Tommygun264 218 fans permalink
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With all of Hillary Clinton's supporters busy planning demonstrations, Color Me Mine might go out of business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 05/30/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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Now that IS a sexist remark!

Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 05/30/2008

Geez people... It's over. On Wednesday, almost all of the superdelegates will have declared, Obama will have an over 250 delegate lead (currently he leads by 201), and he'll announce his full support for Hillary Clinton's appeal to the credentials committee that the FL and MI delegations be seated in full with no voting penalty. It's over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 05/30/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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Obama Supporters:

The DNC Rules committee meeting begins Sat. May 31 at 9:30 a.m. EST
Make a Statement!
Make a donation to Obama's campaign at 9:30 est.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 05/30/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

I will, and that will be my protest.

It also happens to be the last day of the May fundraising month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 05/30/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

Yep...all the money that Obama supporters would otherwise use to get themselves to Washington to protest should instead be channeled as a donation into Obama's campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 05/30/2008

What a great idea.

Perhaps if there is some way to donate to the DNC, mentioning our support for Obama and opposition to attemps to intimidate the RBC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 05/30/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

Great idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 05/30/2008
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

"Obama supporters should be nice to Hillary supporters."

Okay fine. I'll play nice if they do.

But if they insist on running around being hateful and vile, I am not going to stand there and take it as some kind of "punishment" for backing the winning candidate.

If anything, the losing side should show some freaking humility. The only reason Obama supporters are still going on about this is because we're still being ATTACKED. Sheesh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 05/30/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

"Obama supporters should be nice to Hillary supporters."

She could start behaving decently toward a rival Democrat any time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 05/30/2008

>"Obama supporters should be nice to Hillary supporters."<

Hillary supporters should be nice to Obama supporters if Hillary wants a future in politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 05/30/2008

Axlerod is not Rove on steroids. Rove is Axlerod with brain damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 05/30/2008
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If the 2000 election and the post elections days in Florida taught us nothing else, it's that what helped Bush and Republicans get away with the theft of that election was the Republican-driven protesting, the bullying, that wasn't met with counter-protesting. That sent a very clear message to the "deciders" (from the Miami-Dade registrars that stopped the ballot counting to the USSC) that the people who "wanted it more" was Bush and Republicans, and thus they should win, because if they don't get it they'll cause so much trouble, whereas the Democrats just seem to take it without fighting back.

If you think that Hillary Clinton won't be using the situation of only pro-Clinton supporters at that meeting to underscore her pitch the next few months to superdelegates and pledged delegates to vote for her, you'd better get ready for the surprise from out of nowhere when Hillary Clinton comes out of the Democratic Convention the party's nominee. And then get used to a Republican administration in the White House for a long time to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 05/30/2008
- RedWilma I'm a Fan of RedWilma 5 fans permalink

I really think we should do as the Obama campaign suggests. They seem to know what they're doing. They're very smart. They remember Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 05/30/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

What REAL journalist is going to point out that Hillary pledged to uphold the DNC rules back in September, that Obama begged FL and MI to reschedule their primaries so their votes would be counted, and that none of these people were freaking out about the voters' rights between September and, oh, last month when Hillary told them they should be freaked out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 05/30/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 78 fans permalink
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I'm a middle-aged, working class woman. Please, MSM, I beg you. Stop saying that Hillary speaks for me.

She completely and utterly DOES NOT.

Obama/Webb '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 05/30/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

Amen. I'm rural too - so add that to your demographics. Hillary does not speak for me - and as a matter of fact, it's been quite a long time since I've heard her speak much about women at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 05/30/2008
- zoetrope I'm a Fan of zoetrope 4 fans permalink
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I am a woman older than Hillary and from my POV, she has managed to be a great disappointment to our gender in this electoral process.
I have no interest in voting for a "street fighter" to be the President of our Nation.
I have no interest in electing anyone to the highest office in our land who has such difficulty communicating "what they really meaned to say".
Furthermore, at my stage of life I simply distrust anyone who thinks they have all the answers to everything.
Last but not least, why she thinks that the MIchigan delegates should be seated when Obama wasn't even on the ballot, completely enthralls me.

Something is really out of kilter here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 05/30/2008
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