Hillary Gets Ruled and Bylawed

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First Posted: 05-31-08 08:48 PM   |   Updated: 06- 8-08 05:12 AM

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The Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee decision on Saturday to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations to the Democratic conventions with their voting strength cut in half is a major boost for Barack Obama, and a clear signal that the long and bitter fight for the nomination is on the verge of ending.

With the deck stacked against them, the Clinton forces may have had no choice but to abandon their demand that every Michigan and Florida delegate be seated with a full vote for each. In making the concession, the New York Senator not only settled for a net gain of just 26.5 delegate votes instead of 56, but gave up a crucial issue to take to the August convention in Denver.

"The Clinton campaign lost their biggest rationale for staying in the race," said California-based Democratic consultant Bill Carrick. "Any potential for Senator Clinton to pick up a large block of delegates is gone and the superdelegates will likely move to Senator Obama and end the race."

Jim Jordan, who managed John Kerry's 2004 presidential bid during its preliminary stages, was more explicit. "Even the Clinton folks acknowledged that this was their last gasp. So that's it. Time to turn to what matters, winning in November. And it's time for Senator Clinton herself to start salving the party's wounds."

Officially, the Clinton campaign declared that it was not giving up its right to appeal the decision of the Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) to the full convention over a relatively minor issue - four Michigan delegates given to Obama -- but, by accepting the resolution of the Florida seating issue without dissent, the campaign lost its strongest case.

Obama emerged from the RBC proceedings with a grand total of 2,052 delegates, just 66 short of the 2,118 required to win the nomination. Clinton has 1,877.5 delegates, 240.5 short of the number needed to win.

There are still three primaries to go -- in Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana. Polling shows Clinton holding a double digit lead in Puerto Rico, while Obama holds a comparable lead in South Dakota and Montana. The three jurisdictions will send a total of 111 delegates to the convention, so that it is possible Obama could reach the magic 2,118 by the end of the day Tuesday, but he is likely to also need additional support from superdelegates who are free to make their own choice of a candidate.

Shortly after the RBC completed deliberations, Clinton's chief strategists on the committee, Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy, declared that they may still fight over four delegates from Michigan:

Today's results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party's nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party's convention. The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly.
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We strongly object to the Committee's decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan's delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan. The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.

We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan's delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.

A credentials fight over four delegates would be just a blip on the screen compared to what could have been a convention floor battle over the seating of 210 Florida and 156 Michigan delegates.

Robert Bauer, counsel to the Obama campaign, noted that the committee decision "does remove one obstacle. It is not clear she [Clinton] will see it that way."

Jonathan M. Prince, deputy manager of John Edwards' failed presidential bid, said "everything that's going on now is (and should be) about dignified closure....there's no good guy and no bad guy and it's in everyone's interest for both candidates to leave the field with their heads held high - one having run a historic race and winning, ready to unite the party and move on to the real fight, the other having run a historic race and almost winning."

Similarly, Robert Borosage, president of the Institute for America's Future and co-director of the Campaign for America's Future, said "This is all but over." He predicted a scenario of, "the Clintons accept the inevitable. The convention is unified. Hillary Clinton works harder than any other surrogate to elect the ticket."

"There is a new sheriff in town, [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi," said Democratic media specialist James Duffy. "In my mind she is driving the bus, and she will drive it right over the Clintons and if they miss the fact they got run over, she will back up and run over them again."

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- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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Hey WWJD2

Here is the tape of Michelle saying whitey, just for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 06/01/2008
- NYCMami I'm a Fan of NYCMami 14 fans permalink

I love that clip

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/01/2008
- Gina322 I'm a Fan of Gina322 6 fans permalink

Wow, this actually made my skin crawl. And to think that there are millions of so called Dems that are planning to vote for this man in November. God save us all if he is elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 06/01/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 407 fans permalink
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Why? Ask any St. Louis Cardinal fan about "Whitey" Herzog. Ask any Yankee fan about "Whitey" Ford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 06/01/2008
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Which office i Michelle running for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 06/01/2008
- WWJD2 I'm a Fan of WWJD2 2 fans permalink

Hey Machu--love your posts. Namaste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 06/01/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Ah, Trolly Love! Isn't that precious?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/01/2008
- WWJD2 I'm a Fan of WWJD2 2 fans permalink

;- )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 06/01/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 407 fans permalink
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Picchu loves Machu

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 06/01/2008
- MizFlagPin I'm a Fan of MizFlagPin 22 fans permalink

Much like how McNutt hugged and clinged to Bush chest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 06/01/2008
- dhinds I'm a Fan of dhinds 28 fans permalink

At whatever point the identity of the DP's Presidential Candidate has been resolved, will the losing aspirant attempt to unite the party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/01/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

I fully expect Clinton to support Obama. She is a professional politician. She isn't Obama's or the party's problem. Her supporters are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 06/01/2008
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You always have been delusional!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 06/01/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 343 fans permalink
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She'd better, if she wants help from the party for legislation in Congress, and for her re-election campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 06/01/2008

Re-election? I imagine she will need help with the primary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 06/01/2008
- redisright I'm a Fan of redisright 4 fans permalink

What legislation, the only things she's co sponsored are naming statues, buildings and parks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 06/01/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

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Wont happen!

She will enthusiastically support and campaign for Obama and his VP choice!

A lot of you have taken the primary rhetoric far too seriously!!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 06/01/2008
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I actually do not want her to try. She is on the verge of totally being forgotten.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 06/01/2008
- WWJD2 I'm a Fan of WWJD2 2 fans permalink

The nominee will be settled on at the convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 06/01/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1658 fans permalink
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That's always the case. But, starting Wednesday, Obama will be the presumptive nominee. We must now focus on McBush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/01/2008
- neocon666 I'm a Fan of neocon666 72 fans permalink

The nominee will be settled on Tuesday; the sore loser(s) will postpone the actual pimp-slapping until the convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 06/01/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

No, WWJD2 is correct. No votes count until they are cast at the election.

Boy, you people really don't know the party rules, do you? Of course, the RBC doesn't either so I guess it is to be expected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 06/01/2008
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You are the worst turning apllicant I have ever seen!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 06/01/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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For the whiny little beiches that insist that no anti-Obama stuff gets posted:

Barack Obama is a evil Muslim who would sell his Grandmother into slavery to steal the nomination away from Hillary who was sent by God to redeme the Democratic paty and Obama is going to sell out Israel and invite terroitst to bomb every city in America!

I need to get to work. Back in a few hours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 06/01/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

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I like my burgers medium!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 06/01/2008
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This doesn't count. It has to come from someone with a track record of reactionary, bass-ackward comments, and they are out there (no names).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 06/01/2008
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Hey I think you would enjoy the comedy here...

If you have Showtime on Demand watch the special Doug Stanhope. Funny as ****. True comedy for me has no taboo, my tolerance for BS is another matter (and you know that I almost always find you funny, only to be clear.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 06/01/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 59 fans permalink
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You left out the part about Obama banning all professional sports.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 06/01/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1658 fans permalink
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The pro-NeoCon candidate is pretty much out of the way. Time to get ready and defeat the real NeoCon.

It's time to take our country back from the NeoCons, their enablers, and the corporatists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 06/01/2008
- Machu I'm a Fan of Machu 2 fans permalink

Ah! a commie lefty from India! Telling America how they should better themselves by becoming commies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/01/2008
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So, what brand do you smoke? Machu Picchu Gold or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 06/01/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1658 fans permalink
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Huh! India?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 06/01/2008

You're an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 06/01/2008
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McCarthy are you still alive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 06/01/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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The only good commie, is a Chinese commie...since they're financing our economy. Otherwise, those lousy commies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 06/01/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 343 fans permalink
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"Mrs. Clinton herself suggested on Friday that the contest would end sometime next week."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/us/politics/01dems.html?partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 06/01/2008
- Machu I'm a Fan of Machu 2 fans permalink

She didn't count of Obama stealing 4 delegates from her!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/01/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

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Shut Up!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 06/01/2008

Talk about a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Obama did the right thing by taking himself off of the Michigan ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 06/01/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1658 fans permalink
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I think her speech after the Tueday primary will be her concession speech. Starting Wednesday, we turn full attention to McBush, and so would Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 06/01/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 343 fans permalink
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I think she'll wait to concede until the supers weigh-in, but it will happen in the next 10 days or so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 06/01/2008

Mr. Ickes was "stunned" at the MI solution. The election had been hi-jacked! 4 delegates had been stolen!

All this while Mr. Ickes himself had voted to strip MI of ALL of its delegates and was being GIFTED more than half of them based on an entirely unsanctioned, invalid, flawed vote.

Chutzpah, thy name is Ickes and his ilk.

Legal Analysis: Why Ickes is Wrong & Should Resign
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/1/72643/08080/210/526590
Summary -
1 The Constitution does NOT apply
2 The Rules & Bylaws Committee did NOT determine the delegate allocation
3 Any bias was in Hillary"s favor
4 No votes were "stolen"
5 The Principle of "Flawed Reflection"
6 Credentials Committee Challenge
7 Validity of the Election Sanction by the State of Florida
8 Conflict of Interest

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 06/01/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

That's all lovely but the fact is that section 13a says uncommitted votes are just that and are to be treated as that. They never had a rule about taking votes from one candidate and giving them to another because who in their right mind would do that?

Obviously dailykos never read the charter. But, hey, YOU bought it so maybe others will, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/01/2008
- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 36 fans permalink
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This is for all you Hillary supporters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 06/01/2008

The VOTES didn't legally even exist, since the primaries were not sanctioned. The RBC generously opted, in the face of tantrums, to seat delegates anyway, and even agreed to do so as a reflection of bigus, unsanctioned primaries.

So you are arguiing from a point of fantasy. The fact that the "primaries" were considered AT ALL in allocating delegates was a GIFT to appease unreasonable, childish Clintonistas who didn't even care about the vote until it they thought it might help their cause politically...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 06/01/2008
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Whew! What a mess. Both the Democrats who set themselves up for this tempest and much of the comment on Huffpost. (some of you Huffies need to turn off your computers for a while.)

But, the Democrats - Why say you are not going to seat the delegates who represent the results of a primary that has blithely broken the rules, and then seat some of them? This all makes me wonder if the Democrats are capable of running the country any better than the Bush-ites have.
I am now petrified will the disgruntled Hilary supporters, outraged and in tears, vote for any Democrat in November? Or will McBush will by default?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 06/01/2008

On one post a couple of days ago someone used the 'slice the baby in half' metaphor and I wondered, would Hillary have stopped Solomon from cutting the baby in two?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/01/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

Would Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 06/01/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

The Democrats can't even run their own party much less the country. They've had 2 winning presidential candidates in 32 years and only 1 2-term president since FDR. And they've tried to run the 2 term president out of the party. You can quit wondering. You KNOW the answer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 06/01/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 59 fans permalink
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Democrats have had problems in recent years because people like you are allowed to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/01/2008

"But, the Democrats - Why say you are not going to seat the delegates who represent the results of a primary that has blithely broken the rules, and then seat some of them?"

Exactly, the crying Hillary supporters need to realize that the Florida part of the question was decided in Hillary's favor as far as the committee had the power to do. Florida petitioned the committee for 2 things: To accept a delegation apportioned by the results of a sham, no campaign, "beauty contest" primary election that all candidates had agreed would not result in apportionment of delegates, and also to change their voting penalty from the maximum allowable by rule (100%), to the MINIMUM allowable (50%). The committee agreed and allowed both of Florida's arguments. Hillary got as much of a win in Florida as is allowed by DNC rules.

In Michigan, Obama won, in the sense that Michigan asked the committee to let them toss out their own sham election and allow them to apportion their delegates in a more reasonable way reflective of each candidates' support in Michigan, and the committee let them do that.

There's nothing for Hillary to take to the convention, because each state's petition has been satisfied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 06/01/2008
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Oh please, you're no girl next door! Girl under the bridge or under Rush's multiple chins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 06/01/2008

Donna Brazile: "Mama Said 'Knock you out'"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/1/0154/43424/352/526448

paraphrase:

Mama told me to obey they rules and that an attempt to change the rules during the game is cheatin'.

Thus, the entire effort of the RBC and the outcome of its deliberations could on be seen as one of political generosity, since it was agreeing to change the rules for unity's sake only.

I would add that not following the rules, demanding the rules be changed, getting the rules changed in your favor and then still whining about the outcome is the definition of a "sore loser."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/01/2008
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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That was probably my most favorite quote from yesterday's meeting.

What a smackdown!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/01/2008
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I think you are bright enough to post a more original thought. I have seen this one a few times already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/01/2008
- Machu I'm a Fan of Machu 2 fans permalink

Don't take the nation from the Far right extremists and give it to the far left extremists.

We need moderation. We need the modreates Hillary or McCain for 2008!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/01/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1658 fans permalink
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Hey! Why not? Why stop at partial destruction of country? Let's go with McCain and let him finish what Bush started.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 06/01/2008
- Machu I'm a Fan of Machu 2 fans permalink

Instead of letting Obama bring in Osamas of the world to the table? Pffft!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 06/01/2008

If you call intending to bomb Iran and being overly slanted towards Israel moderate, than these "far left extremists" that you speak of can't be all that far to the left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/01/2008
- Machu I'm a Fan of Machu 2 fans permalink

Ah.... as per the far lefties, Israel needs condemnation and the Iranians some sympathy! How nice and clueless as usual!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/01/2008

McCain moderate?

The guy has shilled for Bush for 8 years!

Exactly which instance of the definition of moderation are you referring to when you apply it to a man who hugged the man who viciously mugged him in 2000, then participated in railroading the country into the worst foreign policy disaster since Viet Nam?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/01/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 407 fans permalink
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If you're the center, then I'm far left. And I'm in the center. Figure that inference out, if your mind is capable of discerning hyperbole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 06/01/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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You just took your keyboard that much closer to the scrap heap for no discernable purpose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/01/2008
- Machu I'm a Fan of Machu 2 fans permalink

O fcourse you Obamites are the far left commies. I knew that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 06/01/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

You'll have to speak to the RBC about that. They are the only ones I know who can take votes from one candidate and give them to another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/01/2008
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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You can't take away "votes" that she never had in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 06/01/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

CarlsV posts he is an Obama supporter. Guess what just because your an Obama supporter doesnt mean your posts aren't @ssinine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/01/2008
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You know that is BS. Please tell me your not at the same IP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 06/01/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

CarlsV posts he is an Obama supporter. Guess what just because your an Obama supporter doesnt mean your posts are @ssinine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/01/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

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"Guess what just because your an Obama supporter doesnt mean your posts are @ssinine."

Yeah!

I couldn't agree more genius!

Will the next intellectual Obamabrat lightweight please step up to the plate ... this fool has already struck out!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/01/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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You were an orphan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 06/01/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Yes we aren't all so perfect with a keyboard as you. What an accomplishment, perfection with a keyboard.
Ho humm, CarlsV bores me. After all his posts are simply to get attention and a reaction out of those who haven't seen his rubbish previously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/01/2008

Huffy Hillary hid the day

Unappeasable Hillary sulked

It was the though that they thought

they should not gift her the nomination

that made Hillary wicked and away.

She could not accept and move on.

- with apology to John Berryman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/01/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

Hummmmm

Your apologies should extend well beyond John Berryman..
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 06/01/2008
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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I have been over at Hillaryis44.com reading all the anti-Obama rhetoric over there. I noticed something rather funny. There are some links, one says "Why Not Obama?" and the another says "Why Hillary?"

I went to the why not Obama link first and there were many many reasons not to vote for Obama, mostly innuendo and quotes from right-wingers. I then clicked on the link that said why Hillary and the message I got is this page is under development and will be uploaded soon.

Even Hillary supporters can't come up with a reason to vote for her! Too damn funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 06/01/2008
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That is kind of funny

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 06/01/2008
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