Sources: DNC Florida Compromise Reached, Michigan Deal On The Table

digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - Sources: DNC Florida Compromise Reached, Michigan Deal On The Table stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS


First Posted: 05-31-08 09:37 AM   |   Updated: 06- 8-08 05:12 AM

I Like ItI Don’t Like It
Dnc

The Democratic Party's Rules and Bylaws Committee is close to reaching a deal to seat the entire Florida and Michigan delegations, each with half of its vote, according to multiple sources.

Sen. Hillary Clinton would gain a net of approximately 28 delegates - not enough to seriously threaten Obama's national delegate advantage. Sources said both campaigns were willing to hammer out an agreement along these lines.

Two officials, including a high-ranking member of the Florida delegation, confirmed that DNC members reached an agreement last night and will seat the state's entire delegation but give each delegate half a vote. The result of the Florida deal would be a net gain of 19 delegates for Clinton, though there is no word yet on how the state's superdelegates will be allocated. It is, the official says, a compromise that Sen. Barack Obama will accept. "There will be theater but not much fight."

The Michigan compromise, details of which must still be worked out, would give the majority of delegates to Clinton, who won 55 percent of the vote in the state's primary. Those with knowledge of the RBC's inner workings say the potential deal involves all of the candidates who took their names off the state's ballot voluntarily agreeing that the now-uncommitted delegates would go to Obama. The Illinois Democrat, accordingly, would receive 40 percent of delegates. Clinton nets roughly nine delegates on Obama under this scenario.

Democratic sources believe the Michigan proposal stands the greatest chance of passing: it would pacify Sen. Carl Levin, who has demanded that his state's non-sanctioned January primary be fully honored; and it would circumvent the Clinton campaign's insistence that party rules prevent simply assigning all of Michigan's uncommitted delegates to Obama.

In addition to Obama, Sen. Joseph Biden, former Sen. John Edwards and Gov. Bill Richardson all removed their names from the Michigan ballot. The Clinton campaign has contended that it would be against party rules to simply determine that all "uncommitted" voters were backing Obama. The floated compromise would resolve that dispute.

Tad Devine, a veteran Democratic strategist who helped craft the delegate selection rules, says that such a compromise would be "based on the broad grant of authority under the charter of the [Rules and Bylaws Committee]." In other words, he said, the deal would rest on the agreement of all the relevant campaigns and Democratic leaders, not any specific party rules.

Another Michigan compromise -- splitting the state's delegates 50-50 between Obama and Clinton - was three votes shy of receiving majority support from the Rules and Bylaws Committee, The Huffington Post was told.

The Democratic Party's Rules and Bylaws Committee is close to reaching a deal to seat the entire Florida and Michigan delegations, each with half of its vote, according to multiple sources. Sen. Hill...
The Democratic Party's Rules and Bylaws Committee is close to reaching a deal to seat the entire Florida and Michigan delegations, each with half of its vote, according to multiple sources. Sen. Hill...
Report Corrections
 
Comments
6112
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: « First ‹ Previous 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 (102 pages total)

If this somehow results in Hillary winning the nomination, it will be a pyrrhic victory for her. There are too many independent-minded Americans who are livid about the 2000 and 2004 elections, and would regard these machinations as the equivalent of electoral fraud. She wouldn't stand a chance.

Don't be surprised if Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and other right-wing media sources start pounding the table in Hillary's behalf here. They know it's McCain's only hope for winning in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 05/31/2008
- RoSull I'm a Fan of RoSull 5 fans permalink

IF Hillary did get the nomination, I will write in my vote for Barack Obama on November 4th.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/31/2008

Ditto. I don't reward thieves by voting for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

ummm another great day

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/31/2008
- Boris I'm a Fan of Boris 9 fans permalink

Wait..what is that sound? It is coming on stronger..okay 'move the goal posts, move the goals posts'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/31/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 86 fans permalink
photo

"unless the rules and bylaws committee promises to strip Iowa and New Hampshire of their privileged status in 2012."

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) has said the dispute over delegates in Florida and Michigan has exposed a flawed nominating system, and he is proposing sweeping election reform.

Nelson would divide the nation into 6 rotating interregional primaries that will give large and small states a fair say in the nomination process. Primaries would be conducted on rotating dates ranging from March to June, taking the place of the current early-voting states, Iowa and New Hampshire. The dates initially would be set by a lottery system for the 2012 election and would rotate positions in successive elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 05/31/2008

I can't believe how mad I am that this is an issue at all. The rules were agreed on. Whether they were fair or not, they were agreed on. At the most, we can use it as an opportunity for how to handle this in the future, but what is the point of rules. And also, does anyone really think that Clinton would be fighting this "seriously important" human rights voting issue if she wouldn't benefit from it. makes me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/31/2008

I personally thing that was a bad move. Theres no other possible compromise for MI. Its not called a democratic election,if you only had one person on the ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/31/2008
- nibblybits I'm a Fan of nibblybits 15 fans permalink

Or when you tell the electorate beforehand that their candidate is not on the ballot.

Why don't the RBC committee just play recordings of Hillary back in the fall when she admits many many times that those two primaries will not count and don't mean anything. Use her own words against her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 05/31/2008

"Its not called a democratic election,if you only had one person on the ballot."

It's called the democratic republic of Vietnam or Cuba presidential election.

Happens there all the time. If Clinton gets her ways, we'd be just like one of those edens, and she'd fit right in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 05/31/2008
- lakeqi I'm a Fan of lakeqi 7 fans permalink

Clinton's argument for seating all of the delgates is that she's white and can win the white vote in the general, and that her being president is the only thing that makes her life worth living, being married to a man who doesn't love her and all. Don' t look for things that don't exist, like logic and fairness from a neo con enabling serial triangulator. She and her supporters are cheaters, its really that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/31/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 226 fans permalink
photo

What in the hell does her marriage have to do with anything? I am her supporter, am not a cheater, and am in fact BEING cheated. You are doing Mr. Obama no favors by posting thoughts like these.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 05/31/2008
- SaulGood I'm a Fan of SaulGood 33 fans permalink

how are you being cheated?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

how to you propose to deal with states that move their primaries up against the rules?

I guess we don't have to deal with them at all, we can just start holding primaries earlier and earlier until we are selecting the candidate years prior to the election. Hell why don't we get the whole century over with, we can vote for 12 year olds that show promise for the 2052 election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/31/2008
- NYCMami I'm a Fan of NYCMami 14 fans permalink

Your thoughts on HRC initially giving her ok for FL and MI not having delegates seated?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 05/31/2008

The reason she continued with that serial cheater,she learnt how to cheat from the master.Bill promise to make her president the last he was caught cheating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 05/31/2008

"What in the hell does her marriage have to do with anything? "

Do you think if Hillary ran for dog catcher as Hillary Diane Rodham, with her current campaign style, she'd get elected?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 05/31/2008
- 3Gs I'm a Fan of 3Gs permalink

Wow, someone finally said it. I've got ten bucks that says the Clinton's divorce soon after this campaign is concluded. I hold to the belief that the rules were broken in an attempt to circumvent the accepted Dem voting protocal and there should be consequences for MI and Fl bad behavior. Rewriting the rules is fine for the next election, but this reeks of state level anarchy. Hillary really blew it putting her name on the MI ballot, and compaigning in FL. She simply blew her credibility, first saying it was OK to discount the votes as invalid, then doing an about face when it suited her needs. A lot of her behavior during the campaign really stinks. I don't want a president like her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 05/31/2008

Oh, please. I remember (in 2001) the choruses of "they'll get a divorce as soon as the inauguration is over." Hasn't happened yet.

You know, maybe, just maybe, Hillary has forgiven Bill and maybe, just maybe, Bill is sorry for and has atoned for his past behavior. People (even the worst criminals) are capable of that and do do that.

I am not a Hillary supporter, but I am just so tired of the marital speculation. Leave your criticisms to her political life (there's plenty there, folks) and leave the personal out of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/31/2008
- peachfuzz I'm a Fan of peachfuzz 12 fans permalink
photo

Neither election is legit imo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/31/2008
- SaulGood I'm a Fan of SaulGood 33 fans permalink

nope. i went into that booth believing my vote wouldn't count, and that definitely tainted my vote bc i voted for my candidate even though he had dropped out the week before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

I have always thought that this is the most fair solution for FL. Obviously MI is more complicated but that being said in no way should Hillary be the only candidate that gets delegates from MI. That would be a third world election like in Cuba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/31/2008
- nibblybits I'm a Fan of nibblybits 15 fans permalink

It's not really. They knew the rules and broke them. Fine to half the pledged delegates, but their supers should be stripped of 100% of their votes, since it's the leaders of the state parties who caused this big mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

Popular vote reality check.

Popular Vote Total 16,690,219 49.1% 16,229,691 47.7% Obama +460,528 +1.4%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,024,303 49.1% 16,453,553 47.5% Obama +570,750 +1.6%

Popular Vote (w/FL) 17,266,433 48.3% 17,100,677 47.8% Obama +165,756 +0.5%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,600,517 48.3% 17,324,539 47.6% Obama +275,978 +0.7%

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 17,266,433 47.5% 17,428,986 47.9% Clinton +162,553 +0.45%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,600,517 47.6% 17,652,848 47.7% Clinton +52,331 +0.14%

The most fair popular vote count by far is including FL and estimating the popular votes in IA, NV, ME and WA and not including MI. That gives Obama an insurmountable over 275,000 popular vote lead. Puerto Rico should not count because they don't vote in the general election. There will be far less than 275,000 in the actual states left in MT and SD. This rightly will give Obama the most states won, the most pledge delegates, the most super delegates, the most total delegates and the popular vote victory. Don't let Hillary make her bogus popular vote count stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 05/31/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 226 fans permalink
photo

The most fair popular vote count would be to count all votes cast, and see who the winner is, but you don't like that answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 05/31/2008

You're totally right. No one in Michigan really wanted to vote for Obama anyway, so the 0 primary votes for him must be accurate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 05/31/2008

It's the delegates, stupid. Your candidate knew that before this whole process began. And she failed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/31/2008
- JoeLib I'm a Fan of JoeLib 10 fans permalink
photo

I don't like that answer because the nomination process isn't about the popular votes, it's about delegate counts apportioned by legislative districts. These were the rules from day one, and just because you don't like the outcome of the game, you can't change the rules at the end.

And the whole "popular vote" argument from Clinton is utter bullsh*t anyway. She's only counting primary states, because caucus states don't count... or was it big states, or swing states?.. no wait! It was big swinging primary states with votes voted for Clinton during a new moon divided by the cube root of the number of pants suits owned by each candidate multiplied by the...

Please. Hillary needs to grow up and admit that she was out-campaigned and just move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

By your own definition then the popular vote argument is invalid because they did not count the votes in IN, NV, ME and WA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 05/31/2008
- msmaggie I'm a Fan of msmaggie 10 fans permalink

Estimating the popular vote based on caucus results is bogus. It's a completely different process and no reasonable person would extrapolate from caucus to popular vote.

I am a Hillary supporter but I have to say that the process is driven by delegates, not popular vote, so it really isn't relevant. The question isn't will Hillary have the popular vote, the question is who has the delegates. Obama folks should be savvy enough not to be drawn into this argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

I agree with you in principle the popular vote argument is completely bogus because comparing votes in all the caucuses and primaries is like comparing apples and oranges. I'm just making my argument to many Hillary supporters because they will try to delegitimize Obama's nomination by using the bogus popular vote argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 05/31/2008

Who gives a flying Freak about the popular vote?

Popular votes wins nothing, under your system, it's delegates, and electoral votes in the general that matters, if popular vote counted, Gore would be president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/31/2008

I simply don't understand the Clinton argument for seating the MI pledged delegates. Surely she cannot honestly believe that Obama would have gotten ZERO pledged delegates in an ordinary primary—particularly one where his name actually appears on the ballot.

I'd like to hear from a Clinton supporter about why we shouldn't consider that suggestion totally disingenuous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/31/2008
- suekzoo I'm a Fan of suekzoo 3 fans permalink

I agree. I live in Michigan, voted for "Uncommitted" in order to support Obama. Why should my voice not be heard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 05/31/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 226 fans permalink
photo

I live in Florida and voted for Clinton to support Clinton. Why should my voice not be heard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 05/31/2008
- PlantGod72 I'm a Fan of PlantGod72 46 fans permalink
photo

Because you didn't vote for Clinton! Didn't you get the memo from Campaign headquarters??

Only Hillary votes are worth counting and fighting for!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/31/2008

That word uncommitted sums up Obama to a "T". One hundred votes or more of present is his senate record. Don't think the republicans will not sue that against in the next few months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/31/2008
- lakeqi I'm a Fan of lakeqi 7 fans permalink

I live in Michigan also,and I didn't vote because I was told that the delegates wouldn't be seated. Clinton supporters are such shameless cheats. As far as Carl Levin's threats to appeal at the convention unless Iowa and New Hampshire lose their privileged status:hasn't he learned his lesson? Sure fight against New Hampshire and Iowa, but don't do it to Hilary Clinton's advantage and Barrack Obama's disadvantage. Hilary couldn't give a rats ass about New Hampshire or Iowa, but she's the only one who will benefit from any trouble at the convention. She wants Obama damaged beyond repair so she can come back in 2012. Little does she know she can't win if the Black vote doesn't turn out for her,and believe me we take grudges to the grave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

Your error is in assuming that there is any honesty in the Clinton claims.

Her only goal is to wrest the nomination from Obama---and she has shown that she is willing to cheat to do so.

Failing that, she will damage him as much as possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

She knows she can't win the nom, but she can position herself to say, "See? If you had only nominated me instead of him, we would have won in November." She is trying to ensure Obama's loss in the general election of 2008 so she can run again in 2012. If Obama wins, he'll likely have two terms, which would put her close to 70 years old when his second term ends. This would put her at a disadvantage if some young whippersnapper Republican is in the race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

If her base of older white women don't turn out and support Senator Obama in the general election and she isn't able to rally them and convince them that staying home or voting for McCain would be a terrible mistake, she will be blamed for Obama's loss and will have no chance in 2012 to win the nomination. She will be the Ralph Traitor of 2008. You saw what happened after Traitor cost Gore the election. In the following elections his vote total dropped to basically nothing.

If that's what Hillary Clinton wants to do then she can bookend the Clinton's legacy of this debacle with her husband's sexual addiction and impeachment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 05/31/2008
photo

You can argue that FL was a valid election, but in no way was MI a real election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 05/31/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Not really. Voters were told the primary election would not count, but in FL there was a property tax measure that interested people came out to vote for. People did not come out in droves to vote for Hillary as she claims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 05/31/2008

By definition FL elections were not legal!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 05/31/2008

In any case, both MI&FL primaries were skewed: no campaigning so the most voted would be the most well-known candidate and we knew who! ALL voters knew before the primaries that their votes would not count. Before IO and NH, Clinton told people there that votes in MI&FL count for nothing. EVERYONE played by the rules then. BUt NOW, Clinton needs votes so she is fighting for them. There are no logical reasons to count them after the skewed primaries. If she wants to fight she should have done it beforehand, not now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 05/31/2008
Page: « First ‹ Previous 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 (102 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect