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DAVID ESPO and JIM KUHNHENN | June 1, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., chats with supporters at the Kaslata Bakery in San Juan, as she campaigns on primary day in Puerto Rico, Sunday, June 1, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack Obama tantalizingly close to the Democratic presidential nomination.

The former first lady was winning roughly two-thirds of the votes as she continued a strong run through the late primaries.

Before cheering supporters, she predicted she would have more combined votes than her rival when the primaries end Tuesday night, claimed victories in key swing states and said that no contender will command enough delegates to claim the nomination.

"In the final assessment I ask you to consider these questions. Which candidate best represents the will of the people who voted in this historic election?" she said in an appeal to some 200 uncommitted superdelegates who hold the balance of power in the fight for the nomination.

"Which candidate is best able to lead us to victory in November and which candidate is best able to lead our nation as our president in the face of unprecedented challenges at home and abroad?"

Obama and his aides projected confidence, and even in defeat, he gained 17 delegates in Puerto Rico, leaving him 47 short of the 2,118 needed to clinch the nomination.

Contrary to Clinton, they predicted he was on track to gain a delegate majority shortly after the primaries in South Dakota and Montana, and questioned her popular vote claim. Her assertion includes estimates for caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington state, where no official candidate popular vote is available. It also includes the results from Florida, where no campaigning occurred, as well as Michigan, where Obama did not receive any votes because his name was not on the ballot.

Campaigning in Mitchell, S.D., the Illinois senator praised the former first lady in terms usually reserved for a vanquished rival.

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"First of all, Senator Clinton is an outstanding public servant, she has worked tirelessly during this campaign ... and she is going to be a great asset when we go into November," he told his audience. "Whatever differences Senator Clinton and I may have, those differences pale in comparison to the other side."

Obama's confidence in the outcome of the historic battle between a woman and a black for the nomination reflected the results of Saturday's meeting of the Democratic Party's rules and bylaws committee. Before an audience that jeered and cheered by turns, the panel voted to seat disputed delegations from Michigan and Florida, but give each delegate only one-half vote rather than the full vote sought by the Clinton campaign.

While the decision narrowed the gap between Clinton and Obama, it also erased the former first lady's last, best chance to change the course of the campaign.

With all precincts reporting, the Puerto Rico vote count showed Clinton with 263,120 votes, or 68 percent, to Obama's 121,458, or 32 percent.

A telephone poll of likely Puerto Rican voters taken in the days leading up to the primary showed an electorate sympathetic to Clinton _ heavily Hispanic, as well as lower income and more than 50 percent female. About one-half also described themselves as conservative.

Nearly three-quarters of all those interviewed said they had a favorable view of Clinton, compared to 53 percent for Obama. One-third said they didn't know enough about Obama to form an impression.

The survey was conducted Tuesday through Saturday for The Associated Press and the television networks by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. It included 1,587 likely voters with a candidate preference; sampling error was plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Obama had a total of 2,071 delegates in The Associated Press count, including 17 from Puerto Rico. He also gained the support of two superdelegates during the day.

Clinton has 1915.5, including 38 from Puerto Rico.

There are 31 delegates combined at stake in Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday, and Obama's high command sounded confident that enough superdelegates were poised to quickly climb on and deliver him the nomination.

There have been numerous statements by party leaders in recent days indicating they favor a quick end to the presidential race so the party can begin unifying for the fall race against John McCain, the Arizona senator who wrapped up the Republican nomination months ago.

And while Clinton's campaign said it reserved the right to challenge the decision concerning Michigan's delegates, Speaker Nancy Pelosi rushed out a statement Saturday night that congratulated the committee "for its good work."

The California Democrat has been neutral in the race, but also has been calling uncommitted lawmakers in recent days, urging them to issue their own endorsements soon after Tuesday.

Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, did not rule out the possibility that Obama will seat the Michigan and Florida delegations at full strength if he is the nominee.

"I think any nominee may make some decisions at some point regarding those delegations," he said on ABC's "This Week."

Clinton's campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe, appearing on the same program, declined to say what Clinton would do. "We'll see where we are when we finish up Tuesday," he said. "Then superdelegates will begin to move."

He, as well as Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson, said the former first lady had won more votes that Obama in the course of the primary campaign _ an argument she placed in a new television advertisement in South Dakota and Montana, and one she makes to undecided superdelegates.

Gibbs disputed that _ and Clinton's claim includes estimates for caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington state, where no official candidate popular vote is available. It also includes the results from Florida, where no campaigning occurred, as well as Michigan, where Obama did not receive any votes because his name was not on the ballot.

Clinton's campaign objected to the rules committee decision on Michigan's delegates, saying it had arbitrarily taken four delegates away from the former first lady and awarded them to Obama. As a result, officials said she may seek a decision on the issue by the convention credentials committee, which meets shortly before the convention opens in Denver.

Harold Ickes, a top adviser to Clinton, said on NBC's "Meet The Press" no decision had yet been made.

"I have not had a chance to talk with Senator Clinton at any length about it, and obviously this will be a big decision. But her rights are reserved," he said.

But one of her strongest supporters, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, sounded uninterested in a further challenge.

"I don't think we're going to fight this at the convention, because even were we to win it, unless it's going to change enough delegates for Senator Clinton to win the nomination, then it would be a fight that would have no purpose," Rendell said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

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Associated Press writer Danica Coto contributed to this report. AP Special Correspondent David Espo reported from Washington.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack ...
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Puerto Rico for Statehood? Having 263,120 racist, possibly racist, undereducated, educated, but deluded, irrational, misguided, misinformed, delusional and deranged voters in the midst, how could they ever become a state?

However, all of you 263,120 goofuses, please vote for McGovern in November. Feel free to feel as a Democratic person, for at one day, but, except for your needed votes, please stay the hell out of this trainwreck of a party. Oh, and please do help to keep Olbermann's ratings high, on the MSNBashClinton Network.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 06/02/2008
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Hillary sez: "As long as I have my committed supporters, I won't quit!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s&e

Now I know what she means by "committed".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 06/02/2008

singing .. "Don't cry for me Puerto Rico. The truth I can't I never thought much about you. All though my wild days. My mad campaigning. I kept my promise. I'll go the distance."

Hillary Evita Clinton ..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 06/02/2008
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Can't blame this one on the Bossa Nova.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 06/02/2008
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The Clintonistas lost the Primary election cycle because they ran the same kind of campaign that Bill won with in '92. One thing missing is Ross Perot who helped him win by taking votes from Bush the Sr. In '92 Window hadn't been introduced and most people didn't have home computers. Things have changed and the Clintoistas have not changed enough to keep up with the bottom up campaign that Obama won with.

Now it is time to accept the lost, Clintonistas. It is time to realize that Obama is our candidate and that McSame has sworn to overturn Roe vs. Wade if he wins because he doesn't plan to change anything the Bush Crime Family has set in motion. He said that in his acceptance speech. So all you libbers who have fought for Women's Rights for these fifty years, vote for McSame and throw it all away. It is like saying I am mad and I am going to beat myself on the head with a hammer to prove to you I am mad. Show us libbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 06/02/2008

If you didn't lie so much in your comment, and stuck to the facts (which I doubt you know) I would be inclined to ask your opinions about certain 'questionable' positions/statements/actions that Obama has done recently.
I'd be looking for some clarification, that stuck to the facts.

However, seeing that you don't seem to know any facts about anything makes me less interested in getting information from you.
You're just a talking point poster. Regurgitating whatever your handlers tell you to...

Nice hope and change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 06/02/2008
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For your information, the 25% of Libbers who are threatening to vote for McSame are not a majority. Most of the SDs who have changed from their original candidate have left the Clintonistas to go to Obama. If Hillary wants to count only the states that allow her to get a majority that fits her needs, she is disenfranchising millions who voted in caucus states. The Primary selection process is not based on popular votes and Hillary is lying about it anyway. I would have voted for her several months ago but her campaign has been shoddy at best. If you don't know the facts about '92 and '96 don't act as if you do. Most people who voted back then know that the only reason Bill carried the states in Appalachia is that Ross Perot was a strong third party candidate. I voted for him both times. Hillary is looking more desperate and more delusional all the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 06/02/2008
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There is no lie in that post. Bill Clinton won without a majority because of Ross Perot. Most people did not have computers in the early 90s. Windows came out in the mid 90s. McSame has sworn to do everything he can to overthrow Roe vs. Wade. McSame said he will not change anything the current admistration has going. Where is the lie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 06/02/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/02/2008
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NoSpin ..No matter how you spin it ...Hillary ran on platform of bull hockey ....And she was made to eat every bit of it ...Remember it will all be over Feb 5......Yet she is the now the party of change ...Yeah right ..... And runs for the people who have no voices ..She'll lose those voice as soon as they are no longer useful ...You can dig up all the REVs and other nonsense you would like ....But she'll never be able side step the vote for IRAQ change that and maybe she a ice cubes chance in the hot spot..Spin that!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 06/02/2008
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the title left out "as expected"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 06/02/2008
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Another step on the path towards a Pyrrhic victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 06/01/2008
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Heavens, the Bitter negativity crowd is out in droves today. What's wrong? Are you hurting for Hillary?

Look, folks. Hillary LOST the primary election cycle. There had to be a loser. She simply didn't run a campaign that was good enough to take it all. Okay. So what? It's politics, and politics is part game.

What's the bigger picture?

If you want a hundred years of US occupation in the Middle East, if you want continued Oil Wars, vote for McCain. If you always want to be looking over your shoulder when you travel abroad, vote for McCain. If you want your TV to be your only affordable mode of entertainment, vote for McCain. If you want continued corporatocracy, vote for McCain.

What the hell. No one's telling you how to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 06/01/2008

I don't want increased taxation and bigger government.
I want good international policy.
I want my civil rights back.

All three of these positions are opposed by Obama.
-His economic platform is unbalanced, and favors wealth redistribution. This is wrong for America
-His foreign policy blunders within the past year make me very concerned
-He voted for the 'Protect America Act' with it's 1000's of documented abuses. (August, 2007)

Way to go there buddy!

Unless he gets a much more moderate platform I'm voting for McCain.As much as I despise republicans, America needs a moderate. He's by far the most moderate candidate in a Obama/McCain election.

Obama's only hope is to reach the moderates.

So far his arrogance won't allow it. He finds excuses for everything. It's always an 'ism' excuse. That attitude of elitism can be evidenced in numerous comments that can be found here
And this is just one comment section. Look at the others and you'll see a pattern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 06/02/2008
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Hillary is part of the problem. She voted to allow Dubya to invade Iraq. Hillary is more of the same we have had for the past thirty years. Bill moved to the middle to meat Newt halfway and the Reagan, Bush the first, and Bush the criminal administrations have us completely off course. Hillary is not proposing change that will matter. She voted for the Kyl amendment. She is like Lieberman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 06/02/2008

So, Puerto Rico doesn't count - oh except for the 17 Obama delgates of course!.

"More Americans have voted for Hillary Clinton than anyone in primary history." - Taylor Marsh
And she has The Mexican American vote and the Puerto Rican (and Nuevo Rican) vote and the Elderly American vote and the Working Class vote and the Womens vote and the Union Vote and (yes despite the vile smears about her and Bill and the attempts to ostrosize them) some of the Black vote.

Obama beside the lock on the Black vote, has the Hollywood vote, Rock Star vote, the College Child vote and the Elitist vote.

Guess which is most important? Why am I reminded of this??
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. "
- Animal Farm by George Orwell

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 06/01/2008
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can they vote in the general election.and the rest of your post is talking points based on wishful thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 06/01/2008

GUAM couldn't vote in the general either -- yet you were all ecstatic when he won the
tiny caucus there. Try to be consistent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 06/02/2008

I'm glad that you made the distinction on your votes - working class and then the Mexican Americans, Blacks, etc.. - because in Clinton's book only white people are working class/hard workers.

Just like Nomobull mentions, Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general, neither does the Virgin Islands or Guam - two commonwealths that Obama won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 06/02/2008

Hillary Clinton has shown neck and neck in popular voter support , has shown she can win in key states important to a general election win and has a consistent Hispanics and Latino support across America. She also has the support of women and working class white voters and seniors. If Obama and democrats are smart they will insist on a dream ticket with Obama the Presidential nominee soon and Hillary as V.P
Atleast offer her the post - whether she accepts would be her decision. Together they can unite and defeat McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 06/01/2008

Oh Please
Hillary for President and Barak for VP
Maybe by 2016 he will have matured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/01/2008
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would you expect her to offer him the vp spot if the situation were reversed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/01/2008
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She is broke, deeply in debt, and staying in the race to take money from her delusional followers. If she quits, she has to start thinking about paying the debts she has incurred.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 06/02/2008

That would be tough to vote for. There's a lot of animosity between the two camps, and I'd have a hard time supporting her if he were on the same ticket.
Too much vitriol for my tastes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 06/02/2008
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Her vote to go to war did it for me. Showed her true colors; corporate enabler. Same as her association with Mark Penn and his Agra-business corporate clients that manage to get political laws passed that allow aid to Colombia's military regime at the rate of $2 billion/yr in so-called anti-drug war money that somehow ends up in para-military gangs that destroy peasant villages and crop production, which then ends up somehow, miraculously, benefitting those same Agra-business giants when they wheel right in and amass valuable, profitable land tracts for their own productions. Naturally, this creates an exodus of refugees, not unlike those of Moses who left their lands to seek refuge, that when they come to our shores we call "illegal alien". Not to mention that she cannot, even to this day, bring herself to say anything negative about Fortune-500, corporate America's irresponsibility in not paying taxes into the system of laws and society, the U.S., that gave it license to exist to begin with. Yr 2000, 90% of Fortune-500 corporations paid no taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 06/02/2008
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Can some one explain to me why Hilary can't run as an Independent ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 06/01/2008
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Nader offered her the VP slot but was advised that it would make in unelectable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 06/01/2008
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Because she needs a boat load of money to get her name on the ballot in each and every state. She won't be able to raise it and I doubt she'll be dipping into her pocket again.

BTW, it would be the last nail in her political coffin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 06/01/2008

#1 - it's too late to get on the ballot in several states
#2 - she doesn't have the money or backing
#3 - Ralph Nader already has a VP selected

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 06/01/2008

She's a democrat, and will have a future as a democrat. It would be futile to throw all of that away as an independent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 06/01/2008
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From what I understand, she can, but 4 states have "sore loser" laws that prevent candidates from switching parties between primary and general presidential elections (two of them being Texas and Ohio). I doubt she would do well without those key states under her belt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 06/01/2008
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Put me in a back room, pay me enough money, and give me enough time, and I'm sure I could twist the numbers enough to put any candidate ahead in the popular vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 06/01/2008

TX, FL, CA, NY, OH, PA, IN... all symbolic?

Say what you want, but TX, CA, NY, IN will all go for Obama without a problem in Nov.. PA and OH will be a problem because of race.. sad, but true.. FL is because of Israel and Cuba. Some Jews who are confused and Cubans who feel Obama will open talks with Fidel's regime.

In the end, the intelligent voters will make the right choice.. OBAMA!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 06/01/2008

Are you stupid? PA and OH are not racist states.

Sorry to burst your 'elitist bubble,' but that's just bullshxt.

Intelligent voters realize that fringe politicians are terrible leaders. That they're bad for America.

I hope you have therapy sessions lined up for November because you're going to need them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 06/02/2008
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SooKoo, I agree with your post for the most part, except that in Ohio they already had a black politician, Michael Steele--a Republican, in office. I think the demographics in this country are changing dramatically, increasing a minority's chance of election and diminishing the vote of those who vote on their emotions carried on their sleeves. One thing this year's voting trend showed is that Obama's strength lies exactly where the most votes come from; the big cities. I remember well in the late 70's and 80's how the big news was that minorities were crowding into the cities and finding few jobs and means of getting ahead. It's funny how that fact is now a strength to a minority leader. While there may be a few wackos out there who will never admit they are being sexist, or racist, in their scurrilous accusations against Obama, thankfully they are but a nuisance whose opinions are to be paid attention to almost as much as those of a has-been political commentator named Crystal, Rove, Morris, Gingrich, Perle, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 06/02/2008
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left wingers would be crapping in their shorts if obama won--ignoring another Clinton victory-their arrogant smirks will end up in their pants come november--if not Clinton--McCain!--watch ,you left wing hypocrites!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 06/01/2008

Thank you. Now drink your milk and go to bed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 06/01/2008
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:o)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 06/02/2008

I've been saying this for months.

Unless Obama gets a strong moderate, or decorated veteran he's got no chance in November.

He's not reaching the moderates, and has not changed his exceptionally liberal platform to reach them.

His hubris will be his undoing.

Shame too... he's a gifted speaker and I think his hearts in the right place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 06/01/2008
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yawn
isn't is siesta time for her???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 06/01/2008

When Obama finally pulls the nod for the nomination I don't want to hear anyone in the Obama camp crying about Gore's loss in 2000.
Clinton, just like Gore, won the popular vote. Just like Gore it was taken away from him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 06/01/2008

Not quite. In 2000 -- every state held their election in essentially the same way. In the primary, there are SEVERAL different ways to vote. By an open primary, a closed primary, a caucus even -- as they do in Texas and apparently have for several years -- a primary AND a caucus.
Further, the ONLY way Senator Clinton wins the popular vote is if the MI total is counted and NO VOTES are given to Senator Obama.
Finally, the popular vote doesn't count anymore in the primary as it does in the GE -- one uses DELEGATES, the other EVs.
Incidentally, whatever happened to that Constitutional amendment Senator Clinton said she was going to sponsor to abolish the EC and have the President be elected by the popular vote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 06/01/2008

Hillary will sponsor an amendment to abolish the Electorial College on the same day she delivers on her promise to the Puerto Ricans that she would make sure they get the right to vote in presidential elections if she is elected. No wonder she got so many votes there. Unfortunately for them, they do not understand her track record of empty promises to gain votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 06/01/2008

It doesn't change the fact that the candidate with the most popular votes lost in the primary.

Gore also won the popular vote.

You're using semantics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 06/01/2008
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Clinton, just like Bush in FL in 2000 , is stealing the popular vote by discarding and/or disqualifying a huge block of voters in MI who voted for(or would have voted for) Obama. Anyway, her vote count is not legitimate, or official, so it doesn't matter.

Discarding, disqualifying, ignoring, not counting.....do any of those terms ring a bell???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 06/01/2008
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not to mention conveniently excluding the popular vote in the caucus states. ---smoke and rovian mirrors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 06/01/2008

If the delegates in MI are being recognized then the votes must also be recognized.

Voters could have written in Obama.

She won the popular vote.

But continue to spin it as you see fit.

Just like Bush spun it in 2000, Obama supporters are spinning it today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 06/01/2008
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Huh? What are you babbling about? Gore lost to Bush in 2000 on an anti-Clinton backlash. That election was the Democrats to loose and they lost it because of the Clintons. Voters were sick of their drama. Since there won't be a Clinton in this year's election, there won't be any such distractions. The only thing that might make the two elections even remotely similar is that Obama will win (and win big) on the anti-Bush backlash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 06/01/2008

Can I have some of that kool-aid you're drinking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 06/01/2008
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