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DAVID ESPO and JIM KUHNHENN | June 1, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., chats with supporters at the Kaslata Bakery in San Juan, as she campaigns on primary day in Puerto Rico, Sunday, June 1, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack Obama tantalizingly close to the Democratic presidential nomination.

The former first lady was winning roughly two-thirds of the votes as she continued a strong run through the late primaries.

Before cheering supporters, she predicted she would have more combined votes than her rival when the primaries end Tuesday night, claimed victories in key swing states and said that no contender will command enough delegates to claim the nomination.

"In the final assessment I ask you to consider these questions. Which candidate best represents the will of the people who voted in this historic election?" she said in an appeal to some 200 uncommitted superdelegates who hold the balance of power in the fight for the nomination.

"Which candidate is best able to lead us to victory in November and which candidate is best able to lead our nation as our president in the face of unprecedented challenges at home and abroad?"

Obama and his aides projected confidence, and even in defeat, he gained 17 delegates in Puerto Rico, leaving him 47 short of the 2,118 needed to clinch the nomination.

Contrary to Clinton, they predicted he was on track to gain a delegate majority shortly after the primaries in South Dakota and Montana, and questioned her popular vote claim. Her assertion includes estimates for caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington state, where no official candidate popular vote is available. It also includes the results from Florida, where no campaigning occurred, as well as Michigan, where Obama did not receive any votes because his name was not on the ballot.

Campaigning in Mitchell, S.D., the Illinois senator praised the former first lady in terms usually reserved for a vanquished rival.

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"First of all, Senator Clinton is an outstanding public servant, she has worked tirelessly during this campaign ... and she is going to be a great asset when we go into November," he told his audience. "Whatever differences Senator Clinton and I may have, those differences pale in comparison to the other side."

Obama's confidence in the outcome of the historic battle between a woman and a black for the nomination reflected the results of Saturday's meeting of the Democratic Party's rules and bylaws committee. Before an audience that jeered and cheered by turns, the panel voted to seat disputed delegations from Michigan and Florida, but give each delegate only one-half vote rather than the full vote sought by the Clinton campaign.

While the decision narrowed the gap between Clinton and Obama, it also erased the former first lady's last, best chance to change the course of the campaign.

With all precincts reporting, the Puerto Rico vote count showed Clinton with 263,120 votes, or 68 percent, to Obama's 121,458, or 32 percent.

A telephone poll of likely Puerto Rican voters taken in the days leading up to the primary showed an electorate sympathetic to Clinton _ heavily Hispanic, as well as lower income and more than 50 percent female. About one-half also described themselves as conservative.

Nearly three-quarters of all those interviewed said they had a favorable view of Clinton, compared to 53 percent for Obama. One-third said they didn't know enough about Obama to form an impression.

The survey was conducted Tuesday through Saturday for The Associated Press and the television networks by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. It included 1,587 likely voters with a candidate preference; sampling error was plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Obama had a total of 2,071 delegates in The Associated Press count, including 17 from Puerto Rico. He also gained the support of two superdelegates during the day.

Clinton has 1915.5, including 38 from Puerto Rico.

There are 31 delegates combined at stake in Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday, and Obama's high command sounded confident that enough superdelegates were poised to quickly climb on and deliver him the nomination.

There have been numerous statements by party leaders in recent days indicating they favor a quick end to the presidential race so the party can begin unifying for the fall race against John McCain, the Arizona senator who wrapped up the Republican nomination months ago.

And while Clinton's campaign said it reserved the right to challenge the decision concerning Michigan's delegates, Speaker Nancy Pelosi rushed out a statement Saturday night that congratulated the committee "for its good work."

The California Democrat has been neutral in the race, but also has been calling uncommitted lawmakers in recent days, urging them to issue their own endorsements soon after Tuesday.

Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, did not rule out the possibility that Obama will seat the Michigan and Florida delegations at full strength if he is the nominee.

"I think any nominee may make some decisions at some point regarding those delegations," he said on ABC's "This Week."

Clinton's campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe, appearing on the same program, declined to say what Clinton would do. "We'll see where we are when we finish up Tuesday," he said. "Then superdelegates will begin to move."

He, as well as Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson, said the former first lady had won more votes that Obama in the course of the primary campaign _ an argument she placed in a new television advertisement in South Dakota and Montana, and one she makes to undecided superdelegates.

Gibbs disputed that _ and Clinton's claim includes estimates for caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington state, where no official candidate popular vote is available. It also includes the results from Florida, where no campaigning occurred, as well as Michigan, where Obama did not receive any votes because his name was not on the ballot.

Clinton's campaign objected to the rules committee decision on Michigan's delegates, saying it had arbitrarily taken four delegates away from the former first lady and awarded them to Obama. As a result, officials said she may seek a decision on the issue by the convention credentials committee, which meets shortly before the convention opens in Denver.

Harold Ickes, a top adviser to Clinton, said on NBC's "Meet The Press" no decision had yet been made.

"I have not had a chance to talk with Senator Clinton at any length about it, and obviously this will be a big decision. But her rights are reserved," he said.

But one of her strongest supporters, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, sounded uninterested in a further challenge.

"I don't think we're going to fight this at the convention, because even were we to win it, unless it's going to change enough delegates for Senator Clinton to win the nomination, then it would be a fight that would have no purpose," Rendell said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

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Associated Press writer Danica Coto contributed to this report. AP Special Correspondent David Espo reported from Washington.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack ...
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack ...
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- amanda85 I'm a Fan of amanda85 108 fans permalink

Why the heck do they have a primary in PR if these guys can't vote in the presidential election?

It doesn't make any sense to this Canadian girl...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 06/01/2008

Who cares. Wednesday morning, it'll be over. RE: Obama's problems with pastors, white folks, Latinos, old folks, the media --- did I leave anyone out? Obama will win by a landslide in November!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 06/01/2008
- darker I'm a Fan of darker 40 fans permalink

Indeed. Puerto Ricans are as self-hating racially as many others in S.Amer. and Caribbean. Voting black is a no-no. But Obama is HALF WHITE. Everybody is racist. Go figure it out, stupid.

Republicans would love Obama to win. A person of color(!) opens the door to the Republicans' next candidate: GEORGE P. BUSH, son of Jeb and Mexican wife.

Republicans want corrupt corporate Bush world all over again. Let's hope Obama slams "potential Bush world" so hard, it falls off the plant Earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 06/01/2008

I watched the different networks today and yet again these so-called reporters kept repeating that Obama has a Latino problem, Catholic problem, white problem, women problem and so on. How come no one is saying that Hillary has a BLack problem? Do they believe that Hillary or Mccain could win without the black votes? Or the black votes are not worth mentioning? As far as I know,only Americans are allowed to vote in an election.But the way the reporters have it divided,one would think that the voters are all foreigners. Black voters, White voters, Hispanic voters,educated voters, women voters ,Blue -collar workers,White -men, Young voters,etc: etc: etc: GEEZ! I t hought these were all American voters! Stop being so divisive. We are all one and the same people.We come in different shades,but that's about it. We face the same problems. Four dollars for a gallon of gas!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 06/01/2008
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no it's jut that hillary and mcCian plan on throwing out the black votes like the republicans did in florida 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 06/01/2008
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also....it is the tactic of the oppressor or "the man": divide and conquer; keep people distracted by letting them fight each other that way they can continue with their corrupt system of govt....which does nothing but pilfer money from the little guy.

i emailed a friend who is (gasp!) a republican and will vote for mccain,... he is still a friend even though i heap tons of abuse on him for voting against his best interest....but none the less we have one thing in common we are both caregivers of mothers that are in a nursing home....and i asked him the other day (i know how expensive the home my mom is in is) who paid for the home....?

ehrmmm...long pause.....­medicaid..­.i called him a communist and he really had no come back.

the point is that some people don't connect the dots even when they are staring them in the face -like a loved one being cared for by the govt....there is nothing wrong with that or having a govt that is humane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 06/01/2008
- ishok I'm a Fan of ishok 9 fans permalink

Hillary promised them STATEHOOD!
How's that for pandering?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 06/01/2008

Why not? Why shouldn't they be a state?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 06/01/2008
- graffen48 I'm a Fan of graffen48 9 fans permalink
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The people of Puerto Rico decide that for themselves, and they have voted against it 3 times in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/01/2008
- BrianZ I'm a Fan of BrianZ 3 fans permalink

You make it very difficult to adhere to my policy of not personaly attacking posters here.

As is clearly noted in nearly ALL articles relating to this subjet neither Clinton nor Obama took a stand on PR statehood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 06/01/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

Why is Hillary still trying to steal the nomination - she is lying again - she does not have the popular vote - she is one who wants to twist the truth - who wants a president who is a liar and tries to fool those voters who are not aware - Obama has won the delegates, the popular vote and he has more superdelegates - Hillary saw she was losing and began her divisive strategy to divide based on gender and race - that's exactly what she did - now she wants to lie to the public by saying she was not given Florida and Michigan even though the DNC told her and she agreed that the votes and delegates would not count - those people who are voting for Hillary and her surrogates must be as twisted and deceitful as Hillary -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 06/01/2008

"Promised" them statehood?
All PR has to do to get statehood is ASK for it.
THEY are the ones who keep voting it down.
And there's even a segment of PR's population that wants them to be an independent country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 06/01/2008
- kappa08 I'm a Fan of kappa08 77 fans permalink
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**yawn** I'm bored with her trivial wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 06/01/2008
- graffen48 I'm a Fan of graffen48 9 fans permalink
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While Clinton plays in Puerto Rico, Obama sets up rallies and continues to go after McCain & Co. for his factual errors about Iraq. He talks to people about American jobs in South Dakota at a rally. Now, who is "ready to lead on day 1"??? Who is acting like a leader and a president, and who is busy partying down in Puerto Rico?? Hmmm.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 06/01/2008
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One thing people have not noted is that the DNC horribly overestimated the pledge delegates that were given to Puerto Rico. It looks like the Puerto Rican primary will have less than 400,000 total votes and they got 55 delegates in a open primary. A real state like OR with only 52 pledge delegates had a closed primary and had over 630,000 votes. What a wast of time and money and frankly delegates for a meaningless beauty contest. Puerto Rico should lose many pledge delegates and go back to be a caucus like they were in 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 06/01/2008

and I'm sure you'd be saying this if Obama had one by a 2:1 margin.

LOL...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 06/01/2008
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It was just a silly primary no matter who won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 06/01/2008
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 162 fans permalink
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They can't vote in the GE. Hillary is just trying to move the goalposts for her idiot fans who do not want to accept defeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 06/01/2008
- HanFeiTzu I'm a Fan of HanFeiTzu 2 fans permalink

Great news Hillary. Time to move from New York to Puerto Rico. They love you; we don't!

PS: How long did it take you to memorize those three Spanish words?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 06/01/2008
- amanda85 I'm a Fan of amanda85 108 fans permalink

"PS: How long did it take you to memorize those three Spanish words?"

She still remembers a famous Taco Bell commercial... ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 06/01/2008
- Hattie I'm a Fan of Hattie 7 fans permalink

See, it's just this kind of c**p that makes me hate some of you Obama people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 06/01/2008

yo soy loca?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 06/01/2008
- RedBirdy I'm a Fan of RedBirdy 5 fans permalink

I think many should reconsider their comments about Puerto Rico not being important. We know they can't vote in the GE, but don't offend the many Puerto Ricans that are in the states, and CAN vote in the GE. Don't send the message that they're unimportant. They'll be sure to send an even louder message in the GE and vote McCain or not at all. I don't pretend to be an Obama supporter, but we all know we'll have John McCain as a presdent if BO can't get the latino voters on his side. So, like I said, no, they can't vote in the GE, but they're just as important to the strength and diversity of this country as the rest of us in the 20 states, district and territories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 06/01/2008
- graffen48 I'm a Fan of graffen48 9 fans permalink
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Ah yes, John McCain really has latino voters interests in mind........

This whole concept of threatening to vote for McCain in the general is quite puzzling to say the least. So, because they are "offended", you are saying people will vote for a candidate who is completely against their interests, values, and principles??? Wow, that really accomplishes a lot!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 06/01/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

Hillary is making a big deal out of Puerto Rico in order to remind the puerto ricans in american not to vote for Obama in the general election - she is a really deceitful woman - she hates that Obama beat her in delegates so she doing as a scorn woman does - see how she can keep nagging, harassing and baiting him - As a woman, I know what she's doing - she wants him to throw up his hands and do everything she wants - she wants him to get down on his knees and beg her to be his vp - she wants to demasculate him - she wants to degrade him - all that she can do - those things that she refused to do to Bill Clinton after he humiliated her in the 1990's - she's taking all that stuff out on Obama - did you hear how she said, I have won the popular vote and Obama has maintained his status with the delegates won - she would not even acknowledge that he is leading in delegates - yet in the last two weeks, Obama has been praising her in many ways - she an evil, jealous woman -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 06/01/2008
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C'mon People
Puerto Rico IS NOT A STATE
They Don't vote in the "real" election
It's just Hillary Grasping At Straws Again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 06/01/2008

Mrs. Clinton....we have to swear Mr. Obama in now please let go of the bible and step back....but Bill promised me I could be president....he promised me. Where's Terry?...Where's Howard? They told me I won.......they told me I won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 06/01/2008
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Does this mean that her NEW YORK SENATE SEAT IS SAFE?


Already considering she has the Harriet Christian's from Manhattan and the Puerto Ricans' still telling Hillary "Ti quiero Hillary" I like you Hillary, I guess Hillary's Senate Seat is Safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 06/01/2008

Deck chairs. Titanic. 'Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 06/01/2008
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The reason the pledge delegates matter and the "popular vote" does not.

First off we are a representative democracy set out in the constitution by the founding fathers. There are hundreds of years of political theory behind this philosophy but it was basically established to elect a government that reflects the will of the people.

Second pledge delegates in the Democratic nomination represent the total number of Democrats who voted in the last election from each state compared with the total Democratic voters overall.

Third primaries and caucuses are like comparing the proverbial apples and oranges. Take two states MI and MO for example which have an equal amount of 72 pledge delegates each.

MN caucus had 211103 total voters.
MO primary had 802102 total voters.

Also open and closed primaries are not equal either. On average open primaries have a 20-30% higher turnout than closed primaries because in some open primaries like OR Independents as well as Democrats can vote and in many open primaries like VA independents and Republicans can vote as well as Democrats.

Fifth many contests do not vote in the general election like Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands and Guam.

Sixth MI was a flawed primary that did not fairly reflect the will of the people. That's why the RBC had every right to award delegates based on the best available data for each candidate. This is why the concept of fair reflection exists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/01/2008

amazing the 'presumptive nominee" got 32% of the hispanic voters...

with impressive numbers like that ... he is sure to outdo mcgovern as the biggest loser in the general..

BTW obamabots have you heard that MA is in play for the Fall...

Given their 1st hand experience of how their 'words hope change" governor and obama chum turned out... - its no wonder that MA will go red again just as they did for regan twice....

it will be hilarious to see kerry + kennedy + obama betting thrashed in MA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 06/01/2008

Yes, I am sure you will all be laughing if McCain gets in and continues Bush's White House tactics - more war without end, more war funding at the expense of domestic programs, more wire tapping and taking away of our privacy. Then there's the Supreme Court judges that will be retiring soon & need replacing; I'm sure you will be so happy with McCain's choices.

McCain will cover up and cover for all of Bush's antics, Cheney's and crew. They will never be held accountable for their actions.

McCain's campaign seems to be full of lobbyists, so I'm sure his White House will be heavily influenced by corporate America too at the expense of the rest of us.

Then there's the war with Iran that McCain will start. After all, he has to finish Bush's legacy for him.

So rave all you want to right now those of you who were not happy with the DNC decision on Saturday, but come November think long and hard before casting your vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 06/01/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 149 fans permalink
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CNN mentioned today that Bill and other Dem nominees lost the final primaries after winning the nomination. It happens. I don't know where you heard MA is in play. If we were to base the winner on polls from five months before Hillary would have kicked Obama's butt. She was ahead by 20 to 30 points everywhere. If you are going to base you assumption on polls from today Hillary wins by a lot and Obama wins by 13 pts. In fact, the Dem states don't appear to be in much danger with Obama as the nominee. Yet, did you notice that the Obama McCain spread in MS is just 6pts?

The stupid argument so many are making today is that only Hillary can get some votes. When there are two good candidates people vote for one over the other. When there is one candidate and McCain do you honestly believe that not one Hillary voter will vote for Obama. If Hillary supporters want to vote for McCain they get the country they deserve. Unfortunately you take the rest of you with us to Republican Hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 06/01/2008

...Obama has a double digit lead in MA according to the most recent polls. I...I guess that's in play.

You know what actually IS in play though? VA, MS, CO, even smaller states like Montana, Alaska, the Dakotas...

...so much for being a McGovern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/01/2008

Even Clinton deservers more dignified supporters than juvenile tantrum-throwers such as yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 06/01/2008
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