Puerto Rico Primary: Clinton Wins

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DAVID ESPO and JIM KUHNHENN | June 1, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., chats with supporters at the Kaslata Bakery in San Juan, as she campaigns on primary day in Puerto Rico, Sunday, June 1, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack Obama tantalizingly close to the Democratic presidential nomination.

The former first lady was winning roughly two-thirds of the votes as she continued a strong run through the late primaries.

Before cheering supporters, she predicted she would have more combined votes than her rival when the primaries end Tuesday night, claimed victories in key swing states and said that no contender will command enough delegates to claim the nomination.

"In the final assessment I ask you to consider these questions. Which candidate best represents the will of the people who voted in this historic election?" she said in an appeal to some 200 uncommitted superdelegates who hold the balance of power in the fight for the nomination.

"Which candidate is best able to lead us to victory in November and which candidate is best able to lead our nation as our president in the face of unprecedented challenges at home and abroad?"

Obama and his aides projected confidence, and even in defeat, he gained 17 delegates in Puerto Rico, leaving him 47 short of the 2,118 needed to clinch the nomination.

Contrary to Clinton, they predicted he was on track to gain a delegate majority shortly after the primaries in South Dakota and Montana, and questioned her popular vote claim. Her assertion includes estimates for caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington state, where no official candidate popular vote is available. It also includes the results from Florida, where no campaigning occurred, as well as Michigan, where Obama did not receive any votes because his name was not on the ballot.

Campaigning in Mitchell, S.D., the Illinois senator praised the former first lady in terms usually reserved for a vanquished rival.

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"First of all, Senator Clinton is an outstanding public servant, she has worked tirelessly during this campaign ... and she is going to be a great asset when we go into November," he told his audience. "Whatever differences Senator Clinton and I may have, those differences pale in comparison to the other side."

Obama's confidence in the outcome of the historic battle between a woman and a black for the nomination reflected the results of Saturday's meeting of the Democratic Party's rules and bylaws committee. Before an audience that jeered and cheered by turns, the panel voted to seat disputed delegations from Michigan and Florida, but give each delegate only one-half vote rather than the full vote sought by the Clinton campaign.

While the decision narrowed the gap between Clinton and Obama, it also erased the former first lady's last, best chance to change the course of the campaign.

With all precincts reporting, the Puerto Rico vote count showed Clinton with 263,120 votes, or 68 percent, to Obama's 121,458, or 32 percent.

A telephone poll of likely Puerto Rican voters taken in the days leading up to the primary showed an electorate sympathetic to Clinton _ heavily Hispanic, as well as lower income and more than 50 percent female. About one-half also described themselves as conservative.

Nearly three-quarters of all those interviewed said they had a favorable view of Clinton, compared to 53 percent for Obama. One-third said they didn't know enough about Obama to form an impression.

The survey was conducted Tuesday through Saturday for The Associated Press and the television networks by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. It included 1,587 likely voters with a candidate preference; sampling error was plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

Obama had a total of 2,071 delegates in The Associated Press count, including 17 from Puerto Rico. He also gained the support of two superdelegates during the day.

Clinton has 1915.5, including 38 from Puerto Rico.

There are 31 delegates combined at stake in Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday, and Obama's high command sounded confident that enough superdelegates were poised to quickly climb on and deliver him the nomination.

There have been numerous statements by party leaders in recent days indicating they favor a quick end to the presidential race so the party can begin unifying for the fall race against John McCain, the Arizona senator who wrapped up the Republican nomination months ago.

And while Clinton's campaign said it reserved the right to challenge the decision concerning Michigan's delegates, Speaker Nancy Pelosi rushed out a statement Saturday night that congratulated the committee "for its good work."

The California Democrat has been neutral in the race, but also has been calling uncommitted lawmakers in recent days, urging them to issue their own endorsements soon after Tuesday.

Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, did not rule out the possibility that Obama will seat the Michigan and Florida delegations at full strength if he is the nominee.

"I think any nominee may make some decisions at some point regarding those delegations," he said on ABC's "This Week."

Clinton's campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe, appearing on the same program, declined to say what Clinton would do. "We'll see where we are when we finish up Tuesday," he said. "Then superdelegates will begin to move."

He, as well as Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson, said the former first lady had won more votes that Obama in the course of the primary campaign _ an argument she placed in a new television advertisement in South Dakota and Montana, and one she makes to undecided superdelegates.

Gibbs disputed that _ and Clinton's claim includes estimates for caucuses in Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington state, where no official candidate popular vote is available. It also includes the results from Florida, where no campaigning occurred, as well as Michigan, where Obama did not receive any votes because his name was not on the ballot.

Clinton's campaign objected to the rules committee decision on Michigan's delegates, saying it had arbitrarily taken four delegates away from the former first lady and awarded them to Obama. As a result, officials said she may seek a decision on the issue by the convention credentials committee, which meets shortly before the convention opens in Denver.

Harold Ickes, a top adviser to Clinton, said on NBC's "Meet The Press" no decision had yet been made.

"I have not had a chance to talk with Senator Clinton at any length about it, and obviously this will be a big decision. But her rights are reserved," he said.

But one of her strongest supporters, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, sounded uninterested in a further challenge.

"I don't think we're going to fight this at the convention, because even were we to win it, unless it's going to change enough delegates for Senator Clinton to win the nomination, then it would be a fight that would have no purpose," Rendell said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

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Associated Press writer Danica Coto contributed to this report. AP Special Correspondent David Espo reported from Washington.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack ...
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided, but largely symbolic victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary, the final act in a weekend of tumult that pushed Barack ...
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- live I'm a Fan of live 24 fans permalink
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supposedly the clinton camp had hoped for a turnout of over 600,000
next time a clinton person tells you how much clinton is needed, remind
them they she couldnt get out the vote in PR after her and her family
had practically lived there.

Those of us in the swing state of NM with a large hispanic polpulation
have moved on to a strong obama country!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 06/01/2008

Ummm.. Clinton won NM you dweeb... lol..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 06/01/2008

And it was a huge win too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/01/2008
- Gma11 I'm a Fan of Gma11 12 fans permalink

Onward - this is going to be a GREAT week!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 06/01/2008
- Rendon76 I'm a Fan of Rendon76 15 fans permalink
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Actually you know, I hope she had some great meals and drinks in Puerto Rico. I hope she had a really good time there and I hope Barack Obama uplifts the spirits of our nation into a new age of how politicians BEHAVE in Washington. You know where honesty is valued. Honesty can propel us to do some awesome things in our country. I'd really like that feeling that we were a great country again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 06/01/2008
- Scott1560 I'm a Fan of Scott1560 18 fans permalink

Just love how many of you LCD Dems don't even realize that PR has a vote. Just how far has the level of education fallen? Amazing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 06/01/2008

The Puerto Rico has no electoral votes. So they don't count in the GE.
And so what if some of them holla for Hillary at the convention? He is the nominee. Amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 06/01/2008
- Scott1560 I'm a Fan of Scott1560 18 fans permalink

Interesting how you enjoy the concept.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/01/2008

This is an explanation of how it works and no they do not get a vote in the general election..­....
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14860

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 06/01/2008
- richmc I'm a Fan of richmc 5 fans permalink

Yeah, they have a vote- a big, fat, meaningless, worthless vote. Why anyone spends a nickle down there is beyond me. Why not campaign in Venezuela? Or Nicaragua? Or Colombia? They have a vote, too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 06/01/2008

If they didn't matter there wouldn't be a primary.

Please try to placate your bitterness at Obama's resounding defeat in another way.

Maybe you could say, 'Hmmm... what's wrong with his platform? Why isn't he reaching the moderates?' Hmm... that would be intelligent and constructive.

So far you've got the antonym of those things going for ya. Good job and well done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 06/01/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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is she Ridin' Withu' Homies now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/01/2008
- Rendon76 I'm a Fan of Rendon76 15 fans permalink
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Cool their votes don't even count in the general election so what the hell is the point of Puerto Rico anyway? So retarded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 06/01/2008
- GabrielXL I'm a Fan of GabrielXL 16 fans permalink
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I'm still baffled that anyone, at this point in the primaries, can say they don't know enough about Obama. As has been said before, "...these people should not be allowed to vote".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/01/2008
- Softnsweet I'm a Fan of Softnsweet 9 fans permalink
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I know that he Puerto Rico really do not know. Obama was there twice. Clinton was here every day and night. She fine tuned them well. Also about a million of them are part of the constiuents of New York or something like that. They remind of of American Americans before we got the internet and start doing our own research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 06/01/2008
- RThM I'm a Fan of RThM 4 fans permalink

In case there is still even the slightest chance that anyone thinks this race wasn't all about the Clintons' egos, Puerto Rico should put that delusion to rest. This has not been about the Democratic Party or the sorry state of America under Bush and his minions. Here she is, still campaigning for Hillary in an associated commonwealth of the US whose people CAN'T EVEN VOTE IN NOVEMBER! She should have been plugging away for the party against McCain and Bush and she's concerned about pulling off a "symbolic" victory over a Democratic rival who's the presumption nominee ahead by 200 delegates! Geesh. Double geesh. Oh heck, TRIPLE GEESH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 06/01/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

RThm, It not her fault that she is delusional that's the side effects of her Meds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 06/01/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

Damn, another resounding defeat for Obama.

Hard to imagine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 06/01/2008

Hey JohnKemp, just a battle my friend. Just a battle. The war has already been won. Just think back to the stretch of 14 resounding defeats your candidate took in a row which cost her this election!!!!!! WOW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 06/01/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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And a desperately bad year all around for JohnKemp. Every cloud has a silver lining.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 06/01/2008

Hahaha.... true... obviously Obama has some huge holes in his platform. His arrogance, however large it may be and it's pretty frickin huge, still isn't large enough to fill them.
His ardent supporters don't see these holes because they're not living in reality.

At this point, unless things drastically change, November's going to be a painful shock for them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 06/01/2008
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Who cares this contest really is only a beauty contest. PR does not even vote in the general election. Next Hillary will be asking for a primary in Mexico to boost her bogus popular vote argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 06/01/2008
- richmc I'm a Fan of richmc 5 fans permalink

I know, and it really matters, too. PR is a great place to spend a bunch of money. Apparently, you can buy votes for T shirts down there. Very cost effective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/01/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

Looks like the mafia dons at the end hugging her. Those must be Bill's boys. She will still go on, she won't give up, not by the way she talks. She will NEVER be President, there aren't enough to vote for her. The young college kids, older people like me and the AA. Don't know what Obama's chances are, but, they are better than hers. We seen enough of her voters yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 06/01/2008
- lee4 I'm a Fan of lee4 3 fans permalink

The Clintons are beyond words in how they'll do or say anything to win. She has set women back in the way she ran her campaign as far as I'm concerned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 06/01/2008
- Scott1560 I'm a Fan of Scott1560 18 fans permalink

Count all the votes just as the Dems loved to claim back during them Bush/Gore days. Rules? Nah.......­the popular vote should count. What happened to those pie-in-sky beliefs? I do get a laugh whenever I visit here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/01/2008
- graffen48 I'm a Fan of graffen48 9 fans permalink
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Well, for one thing, Bushes name wasn't the only name on the ballot back then. There is the little matter of fairness when only one name is on the ballot because that candidate broke her signed pledge to follow the rules. Big difference between what happened in FL with Bush/Gore and whats happening now. Although I will agree with you on one point. In both cases cheating has occcured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 06/01/2008
- SpoxLogic I'm a Fan of SpoxLogic 21 fans permalink

Hey Noodles. In 2000, the FL votes were tampered with, hence the desire for a recount. The results of which gave the necessary delegates to the winner. Hence tis importance.
In the Dem primary, no one is contesting who won a any state.
The only reason why Clinton wants the total votes counted is so she can claim the over all edge in total popular vote. (Which is crazy since there were caucus states that didn't report ANY popular vote. Had the Dems demanded in 2000 what Clinton wants now, Gore would have won since I believe he won the popular vote.

Clinton is only using the "count all votes" refrain as a smoke screen to try and change the rules in the middle (or end) of the game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 06/01/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

Damn.

How many more times can the DNC's annointed one who is outspending Hillary by 3:1 and who is the MSM's darling get his ass handed to him?

It's getting to be routine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 06/01/2008
- greejambri I'm a Fan of greejambri 19 fans permalink

Well, after Feb. 5 Hillary Clinton got "her ass handed to her" about 11 times in a row. Since that time they've pretty evenly split the contests, although I think Clinton may be up 3 or 4 on Obama (I'm not really keeping count). I'll go out on a limb here and predict that Obama will win both contests this Tuesday, since he's favored. All in all Obama is ahead in delegates, superdelegates, popular vote, and number of states, and he's going to be the nominee, so let's just say your "ass getting handed to him" comment is a bit of hyperbole. I'm sorry your candidate lost. You must not be ready for the grief process yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/01/2008
- mesuki I'm a Fan of mesuki 12 fans permalink

Don't get too happy just yet...she was expected to win.What you need to ask yourself is what's wrong with your candidate? she had all the advantages going into this race,but she screwed it up.she had the Clinton name,millions of dollars,lots of supporters and all of that experience under her belt,but intelligent people saw through her lying and scheming so she lost. But Hillary being the narcissistic and arrogant person that she is will not admit it,just like her supporters. I'm glad that she lost,America will be better off without her as president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 06/01/2008
- live I'm a Fan of live 24 fans permalink
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Billary went through 200 million. she camped out there.
Considering your use of the word ass, as told by Ickes on saturday,
is ass the new motto of the clinton camp?
frankly i think it is fitting.
billary and her looney supporters have behaved like total asses.

have you seen the new video of Harriet Christian? are you going to distance yourself from this sexist and racist lunatic group?

btw, i am a white woman in her fifties from a working class family and i use to support hillary i never would now- she is beneath contempt.
and please dont tell me how you are going to vote for mccain i dont care!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/01/2008
- pacats I'm a Fan of pacats 4 fans permalink

Welcome aboard.

Obama 08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/01/2008

You again JohnKemp, you sound like one of those bitter people that Obama was refering too. It is simple why is is outspending her, she has NO MONEY!!!!!!!! These are just cosmetic victories. It should have been more rountine when she was getting her ass handed to her in states by 2 to 1. The war has been long over my delusional friend. Have a great day

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/01/2008

Hahaha.. true.. unless Obama gets a strong moderate this same phenomenon will happen in the fall.
Assuming he gets the nod, which could be questionable considering the recent primaries and his further 'ministerial issues' which has caused him to 'leave' the church he'd been going to for TWENTY YEARS.
I know, he's not doing it because of the election, there's something different going on at the church now.

hahaha... typical politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/01/2008
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What I find most funny are exit polls saying "I don't know enough about this candidate". That's shocking. That right there says, more than anything, why we had eight years of Bush. People are completely stupid and lazy.

How, in the internet age, can you not know enough about ANY candidate? You can go on any of their websites and read pages of information. You can research their voting records. You can view their speeches on YouTube.

How do people not know enough? Fucking unbelievable!

That being said, I'm looking forward to Tuesday as Obama wraps up the nomination!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 06/01/2008
- mesuki I'm a Fan of mesuki 12 fans permalink

Most of the problems that we've had in this election can be traced back to ignorant folks who voted not because they did their homework to find out about a particular candidate,but because they recognize the name of the candidate.­...How stupid is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 06/01/2008
- richmc I'm a Fan of richmc 5 fans permalink

Because uneducated illiterates are easy to control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 06/01/2008

No, not really. Try that with the Amish. Home schooled conservative christians.
You'll find that your assumption just makes you look like an axx. You're just another example of a pseudo-int­ellectual, that doesn't really have a clue...

What's important to 'common folks' are common things: taxes, gun control, civil liberties, strong national defense, affordable health care.

Most know how good they had it in the 90's under Bill Clinton, and they realize that whenever Hillary has questions she's going to ask her husband.
Whether you'd like to use sophomoric statements from these facts is your choice. I've read them all here, again and again.
Fortunately the Clintons live in the real world, and understand what so many of the 'internet tough talkers' don't understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 06/01/2008

My husband and I were talking about the same thing after the WV and KY primaries. I guess "one man - one vote" but geez! Of course if you lived where we live (Cincinnati) and only read the local paper and only listened to the local radio you would vote for, somehow, George Bush (McSame) for another four years. Education not only for politics, but for a variety of reasons is so important.

On to Denver!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 06/01/2008

Ok. Could someone tell me why the primary in Puerto Rico has any relevancy? They don't get to vote in the general election. The delegate math will not change. She could have won with 100% of the vote and it would not matter. Is it just so Geraldo can feel important.­...with "brother Craig?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 06/01/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

Huh?

Puerto Rico has more delegate votes than do many states.

It's another embarrrassment for Obama; losing the popular vote by a landslide & yet trying to claim "victory" because the bought-for delegates "support" him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 06/01/2008

So.....she still loses the delegate math.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 06/01/2008
- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

It doesn't have any real relevancy in the end. They can't vote in a general election. So really it doesn't matter how one does there since in the end they aren't needed. As for the suppose 2 million population Hilary didn't get a boost in that count. Not that it matters anyway. Sen. Obama is the democratic nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 06/01/2008
- johnwinner I'm a Fan of johnwinner 13 fans permalink

Nothing happened in PR that we weren't expecting. She will use it as another excuse to raise money from her cultists so she can pay off her debt. Shameful, disgusting. The most corrupt politician since the fall of Tammany Hall. "Sick" does not describe her, it only gestures at the depth of her insanity - and that of any fool hypnotized into following her fanatically. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/01/2008
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