Bill Kristol At AIPAC: Obama And McCain "Don't Actually Differ" On Iran

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First Posted: 06- 2-08 08:50 PM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political.

A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Israel Public Affairs Committee gasped in shock this morning when they heard Sen. John McCain attack his likely general election challenger Sen. Barack Obama in a speech at the group's annual policy conference. "That was the first time I've heard anyone call out another candidate by name [here]," said Aliana Greenberg, a campus AIPAC delegate and repeat conference attendee from the University of Pennsylvania. Another campus delegate told The Huffington Post he heard rumblings that AIPAC staffers are now nervous about what Obama's reception will be like among those in the crowd who cheered McCain's sharp speech today.

Corey Metzmen, also representing Penn as a delegate to the conference, said he is leaning towards Obama, and was of the opinion that "it might have been better if he [McCain] had been more consistent with previous speeches [here]" and not mentioned his opponent directly.

But partisan concerns seemed to be seeping into several aspects of the pro-Israel group's conference -- so much so that a note of bipartisan calm chimed in from what some might consider an unlikely corner. In an afternoon breakout session featuring Weekly Standard editor (and New York Times op-ed page neocon) Bill Kristol, panelists were repeatedly asked to divine the candidates' views on the Middle East by looking at their respective advisers.

Both Kristol and his Democratic counterpart Ambassador Marc Greenberg were at pains to remind their audience that they weren't official representatives for the candidates. Kristol eventually even found himself in the position of defending Obama's national security bona fides relative to past Democratic candidates. Comparing the policy gulf that separates Obama and McCain to national security differences between the two major parties in past cycles, Kristol told the crowd:

"There are actually no disputes of that nature...with the exception of Iraq this time. Obama's not for cutting the defense budget; Obama's not for pulling troops back from our forward positions around the world, with the exception of Iraq. Obama and McCain don't actually differ, at least on paper, even on Iran, where they're arguing about whether they would talk to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad or not -- and I think that's an important dispute. Still, at the end of the day, Obama doesn't say he would rule out the use of force. McCain certainly is committed as he said this morning to trying to increase economic pressure on Iran, which Obama has also talked about."

Of course there have been differences between the two candidates. Kristol brushed aside perhaps the greatest one: whether or not lowering the bar for diplomatic engagement might prove a tactical benefit for U.S. foreign policy. But beyond that, Obama opposed the recent Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which would have designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. While Obama says he shares that opinion of the group with McCain and others, he instead prefers a less deliberately bellicose approach to international relations.

But given the fact that some Obama opponents seem to believe his views are frighteningly distant from the mainstream, it was interesting to hear someone of Kristol's stature on the right make the case that the Illinois Democrat's differences from McCain are ones of degree and not kind.

Which is why Obama probably won't need to respond in explicit fashion to McCain's speech when he takes to AIPAC's stage on Wednesday. The group's campus delegates who spoke to The Huffington Post all agreed that the worst thing Obama could do would be to pander. "The fact of the matter is he's said everything right," one delegate admitted, suggesting all that remains is for the audience to believe what they hear.

In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political. A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Isr...
In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political. A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Isr...
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- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 154 fans permalink
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Is this the sign of a kinder, gentler neoconservative movement?

Or just a sneakier, more underground neoconservative movement?

Me, I'd vote for the latter...seeing as how PNAC http://www.newamericancentury.orgg) has gone offline, so you can no long easily review their documents - and their membership - when you want to tell somebody just who started the Iraq War and why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 06/03/2008
- slinkymom I'm a Fan of slinkymom 158 fans permalink
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Here's a link that can get you the 80 page PNAC document. This group happens to store stuff like this simply because it "disappears" from the internet.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 06/03/2008

I think a good point was missed; for Bill to say McCain believed as O'Bama shows they are frighten of losing that they know McSame is on the wrong side of the issue.

How is it they believe the same when McCain is alway ridiculing O'Bama's stance on foreign policy. Is he then ridiculing himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 06/03/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Trusting John McCain is your first mistake. He also made a pact with Obama not to attack each other on Memorial day and he BROKE IT!!! He said he wanted to run a respectable campaign and HE LIED. Excuse me he behave like the exciting Maverick he is.

So now Obama and McCain dont differ on Iran policy since when? Is someone flip flopping again.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/03/2008
- tdeg I'm a Fan of tdeg permalink

Bill Kristol always lies and is always wrong. Why should this time be any different?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 06/03/2008
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 64 fans permalink
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If Obama turns out to be more of the same, there are going to be a lot of pissed off people in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 06/03/2008
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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You bet, this shit of AIPAC is a revolving door to the same warmongering we hear all day from both parties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 06/03/2008
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 154 fans permalink
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lolll...let me see, what can the neocons get ouf of a statement such as Kristol's:

1) Taint Obama with faint praise from a PNAC neocon so that those who support Hillary sieze upon it as proof of whatever they care to argue

2) Simultaneous hedging of their bets - sufficient kissass to ensure a door remains open into Obama's Administration - particularly into his foreign policy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 06/03/2008

Then there won't a country left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 06/04/2008
- ReportThis I'm a Fan of ReportThis 7 fans permalink

Billy Kristol is such a halfwit -- because Obama "hasn't ruleld out the use of force" against Iran, Kristol concludes there is no substantive differences between Obama's and McCain's positions. Hey, Billy -- remember when the Poppy Bush administration failed to warn Saddam Hussein that Kuwait was within the U.S.'s zone of interest? Remember what happened? That's right -- Saddam invaded Kuwait. Which just goes to show, pal -- words do matter. And no responsible leader could or should publicly "rule out the use of force" as a policy option. To do so would invite certain aggression from our adversaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 06/03/2008
- drblack I'm a Fan of drblack 19 fans permalink

Kristol hasn't been right about anything. How does he keep a job and who the hell takes this guy seriously?
Kristol,and most other conservative pundits,are a joke. They are wrong 90% of the time.
Why do these guys have jobs?
The Corporate Media is nothing but propaganda for big money interests.
Only a fool watches TV news or reads these papers. It is a great way to be misinformed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 06/03/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

There's only two contries that Presidential candidates have to kiss up to:

Israel ------ They have to promise to defend... Even though Israel can look out for itself.

Cuba --- They have to promise to attack... Even though Cuba has not ki;led any Americans. We have diplomatic relations with Vietnam ever thought they killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. Hmmm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 06/03/2008
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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Good point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 06/03/2008
- Ariesjill I'm a Fan of Ariesjill 19 fans permalink

In his brief but astonishingly prolific time as Jr. Senator….Obama introduced legislation for full disclosure of businesses in bed---often indirectly, of course, with Iran.

It was defeated by the GOP….cause common….one of the biggies, apart from everything Phil Graham and his sleazoid bank now under bigtime scrutiny….is HALIBURTON. And those just for openers.

This filth is so much deeper than we know…it just makes yr head explode.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 06/03/2008
- Tommygun264 I'm a Fan of Tommygun264 224 fans permalink
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Can someone PLEASE remind me why anything Bill Kristol says is considered relevant? The man has not only been consistently wrong for the past decade, he continues to issue his opinions, treating those who rightfully question or oppose his position with a smug dismissive attitude which belies his ever lengthening list of gaffs, misstatements, half-truths and outright misrepresentation of the facts. Someone please tell me what Bill Kristol has done to earn his position and why his opinions should be given credence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 06/03/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 261 fans permalink
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This article is such complete BS on two counts.

First we are listening to the discredited Neo Con who lied us into Iraq, who should not be able to BUY airtime and has no credibility. This guy is telling us there is no diff between Obama and McCain?!

Then we are supposed to think that AIPAC is some kind of impartial and benign body of reasoned individuals when the Reality is they are totally in bed with the neocons, totally behind the Iraq war and Iran, if they can manage it.

They are the RIght Wing forces pushing us towards war, away from peace between Israel and Palestine.

AIPAC deserves more than a puff piece in the ;pages of huffpost. It deserves some major investigative journalist time.

So does Kristol. They need to be exposed so the American people can see how they have been HAD.

Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 06/03/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

Kristol knows McCain's weaker than Obama on foreign policy. Now he's pulling a Clinton-esque "remove all differences" move just like Hillary did in her desperate late-game swing to the Left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 06/03/2008
- Ariesjill I'm a Fan of Ariesjill 19 fans permalink

Wrong: Kristol know he ISN'T. That is why he is moved to what he is MOVED TO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 AM on 06/03/2008
- Ariesjill I'm a Fan of Ariesjill 19 fans permalink

I misread this just before and feel relieved & grateful my initial response got deleted. U R correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 06/03/2008
- JonSmiley I'm a Fan of JonSmiley 11 fans permalink

I wonder how many AIPAC members put loyalty to the US before their loyalty to Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 06/03/2008

Perhaps they don't view the two as contradictory?

I'm no fan of AIPAC, by the way, but I imagine that's how they see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 06/03/2008
- BARRISTER I'm a Fan of BARRISTER 19 fans permalink

The Oath of Allegiance is to THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not to Israel!!

It is contradictory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 06/03/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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They can persuade themselves of anything, but their actions and influence have inflicted enormous damage on US foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/03/2008
- courtb I'm a Fan of courtb 19 fans permalink

Why is it one or the other? There are many lobby groups out there for different types of Americans-including lobby groups for subcultures within the American culture. Where is your outrage for lobby firms hired out by other nations to lobby on their behalf. How many of John McCain's campaigners have been fired due to lobbyist ties to foreign countries. Do you question their loyalty?

I am a member of aipac and I have loyalty to both the US as my home country and Israel as the only safe haven for my people who have suffered thousands of years of persecution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 06/03/2008
- aaronr2000 I'm a Fan of aaronr2000 14 fans permalink
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You are right in that there are other lobby groups that pitches their country's interest to our government. What makes AIPAC unique and so egregious is that:

1. It is not registered as an agent of a foreign country

2. It uses its power and influence to push an UNCONDITIONAL support of Israel and its war mongering Middle East policies or ELSE our politicians faces almost certain expulsion from office.

3. To America's peril, it has successfully blurred the line between America's interest and its own interest. This is how it deflects anyone questioning its loyalty. "If I support Israel's interest, I automatically support America's interest" is its running theme. Pure unadulterated BS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 06/03/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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That's easy. NONE. It's time for real Americans to call for these people to be deported if they don't register a agents of a foreign power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 06/03/2008
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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Exactly, NONE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 06/03/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 293 fans permalink

Bill Kristol must be lying or deceiving, his lips are moving. Bill co-founded PNAC.INFO the Project for a new American empire. Bill is wrong and evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 06/03/2008
- laire I'm a Fan of laire 4 fans permalink

I think its pretty clear Obama and his team have a better understanding of who the real leaders are in Iran. I think Obama should go before AIPAC and talk about how to work with Israel and Syria which does not seem to be talked about that much. About 85% of the Muslim in world are Sunia and about 15% are Shite. Iran and Iraq are where the majority of the Shite are at. The Way Iraq was once a buffer for Iran, Syria can become that buffer. Iran is a persian country not Arab and the Syrians don't really like Iran but because we have had these policies we have made Iran and Syria allies. I hope he talks about supporting Lebenon and their fragile democray and how that helps Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 06/03/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 332 fans permalink
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Why help Israel, anyway? Israel has more than 150 nukes. They don't need help. If they can only make other people and countries their foes, rather than their friends, then it's ISRAEL's problem, not that of the USA. The US-president gets elected to help the citizen of the USA. Mind your own business, please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 06/03/2008
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