Bill Kristol At AIPAC: Obama And McCain "Don't Actually Differ" On Iran

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First Posted: 06- 2-08 08:50 PM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political.

A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Israel Public Affairs Committee gasped in shock this morning when they heard Sen. John McCain attack his likely general election challenger Sen. Barack Obama in a speech at the group's annual policy conference. "That was the first time I've heard anyone call out another candidate by name [here]," said Aliana Greenberg, a campus AIPAC delegate and repeat conference attendee from the University of Pennsylvania. Another campus delegate told The Huffington Post he heard rumblings that AIPAC staffers are now nervous about what Obama's reception will be like among those in the crowd who cheered McCain's sharp speech today.

Corey Metzmen, also representing Penn as a delegate to the conference, said he is leaning towards Obama, and was of the opinion that "it might have been better if he [McCain] had been more consistent with previous speeches [here]" and not mentioned his opponent directly.

But partisan concerns seemed to be seeping into several aspects of the pro-Israel group's conference -- so much so that a note of bipartisan calm chimed in from what some might consider an unlikely corner. In an afternoon breakout session featuring Weekly Standard editor (and New York Times op-ed page neocon) Bill Kristol, panelists were repeatedly asked to divine the candidates' views on the Middle East by looking at their respective advisers.

Both Kristol and his Democratic counterpart Ambassador Marc Greenberg were at pains to remind their audience that they weren't official representatives for the candidates. Kristol eventually even found himself in the position of defending Obama's national security bona fides relative to past Democratic candidates. Comparing the policy gulf that separates Obama and McCain to national security differences between the two major parties in past cycles, Kristol told the crowd:

"There are actually no disputes of that nature...with the exception of Iraq this time. Obama's not for cutting the defense budget; Obama's not for pulling troops back from our forward positions around the world, with the exception of Iraq. Obama and McCain don't actually differ, at least on paper, even on Iran, where they're arguing about whether they would talk to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad or not -- and I think that's an important dispute. Still, at the end of the day, Obama doesn't say he would rule out the use of force. McCain certainly is committed as he said this morning to trying to increase economic pressure on Iran, which Obama has also talked about."

Of course there have been differences between the two candidates. Kristol brushed aside perhaps the greatest one: whether or not lowering the bar for diplomatic engagement might prove a tactical benefit for U.S. foreign policy. But beyond that, Obama opposed the recent Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which would have designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. While Obama says he shares that opinion of the group with McCain and others, he instead prefers a less deliberately bellicose approach to international relations.

But given the fact that some Obama opponents seem to believe his views are frighteningly distant from the mainstream, it was interesting to hear someone of Kristol's stature on the right make the case that the Illinois Democrat's differences from McCain are ones of degree and not kind.

Which is why Obama probably won't need to respond in explicit fashion to McCain's speech when he takes to AIPAC's stage on Wednesday. The group's campus delegates who spoke to The Huffington Post all agreed that the worst thing Obama could do would be to pander. "The fact of the matter is he's said everything right," one delegate admitted, suggesting all that remains is for the audience to believe what they hear.

In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political. A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Isr...
In today's hyper-partisan environment, it's like you can't hold a conference in the nation's capitol without things getting all...political. A few supporters of the studiously bipartisan American Isr...
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- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Obama knows that Iran is Shia. McCain, not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 06/03/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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I'm really confused. Of course Obama and McCain differ on Iran. So Kristol is LYING, but he's lying WHY? To support Obama? To support McCain?

This is really confusing. I think Kristol has totally lost it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 06/03/2008
- vernonbc I'm a Fan of vernonbc 3 fans permalink

He's lying in order to make McCain not look so out to lunch on his foreign policy. If he said Obama was wrong, he'd be playing up the difference between Obama and McCain which would only make McCain a less likely winner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 AM on 06/03/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 330 fans permalink
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He is hedging his bets. After November, he may well be unemployed. Nothing better than reach some olive branches - just in case...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 06/03/2008

Wow, very interesting statements. I'll be interested in hearing how Obama's speech goes. So far he's pretty much trounced McCain in foreign policy so if he beats McCain here... that's it... McCain's foreign policy expertise platform is gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 06/03/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 153 fans permalink

Very interesting. Perhaps Kristol is concerned that the backlash against what Bush did in the Knesset will be duplicated with a backlash against McCain at AIPAC.

It does seems that the Republicans are in Permanent Campaign Mode, and the way they campaign isn't kosher.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 06/03/2008

WTF does anyone care what clueless Billy Kristol has to say. The fool thinks Sunnis and Shiites can get along and anyone who thinks differently is just plan silly.

What has this moron in a Brooks Brothers Suit gotten right in the last five years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 06/03/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 181 fans permalink

Wow, that's a stretch. Obama and McCain are actually the same on Iran because while McCain doesn't quite promise that he'll invade Iran, Obama doesn't quite promise that he won't invade Iran. You see? They're so similar!

Other than that, it sure seems like Kristol was actually trying to help Obama with the pro-Israel hardliners. Folks, I'm beginning to believe that we're underestimating the extent to which the right wing was more aligned with the Bush syndicate than neoconservative ideology in and of itself and how much they dislike and distrust McCain.

Something funny is happing. The men behind the curtain are pulling the strings for Obama. They only care about their fortunes in the global economic markets, so they must believe that Obama's internationalism will be better for the global economy than McCain's isolationism. Barack Obama is the chosen one. The plans to arrange for his victory in November will be coordinated later this week at the Bilderberg Group meeting. The Murdochs and Kristols of the world will be there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 06/03/2008

Weirdly enough, I kind of agree with this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 06/03/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

no wonder McCain does not want to speak to countries to resolve problems. This article says that the decorum is to leave the slam politics at the door.
A bit of research would have told McCain that he was traveling the wrong road.

Diplomacy, another thing that McCain does not understand. This kind of experience we do not need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 06/02/2008
- firewmn I'm a Fan of firewmn 63 fans permalink
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A vote for McThird-Term is a vote for four more years of McWAR..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 06/02/2008
- Smaiyna I'm a Fan of Smaiyna 6 fans permalink
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Bill Kristol must be smoking something!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 06/02/2008
- noamjunior I'm a Fan of noamjunior 86 fans permalink

Kristol seems to be setting in motion the ineveitable backpedaling McCain will likely perform when the GOPers realize that about 20% of Americans want a president to take an overly-agressive stance towards Iran, like McCain is currently articulating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 06/02/2008

Do neo-cons attend school or do they just buy degrees? There is no difference in saying that we need to talk to Iran and we need to bomb Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 06/02/2008

He's saying the difference is, should we talk before or after bombing? Obama would talk first, then bomb; McCain, the reverse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 06/03/2008

And you see no difference in that? Sorry but spin it anyway you want but there is no similarity in those scenario's. Diplomacy first, this has always been the way and it has worked pretty darn well in the past. Look what we got with bombing first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 AM on 06/03/2008

So Obama is in agreement with McCain on his views on Iran. Then this article captures Obama's beliefs about Iran. I am amazed we now can read McCain's remarks on Iran and know Obama is in full agreement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/02/2008

Obama. Doesn't. Pander.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 06/02/2008
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LMAO, sure they don't fellow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 06/02/2008

Kristol is defending Obama? I am really getting confused now.. .or is this the groundwork for the Great Flip Flop?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/02/2008
- laylahb I'm a Fan of laylahb 5 fans permalink

This one better--Drudge for Obama. Two pieces inferring that Drugelikes him and is holding back on the vitriol. Drudge. Obama. Non-sequitor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 06/03/2008
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