Obama seals nomination: 'This is our moment'

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TOM RAUM and NEDRA PICKLER | June 3, 2008 11:49 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., waves at a election night rally in St. Paul, Minn., Tuesday, June 3, 2008. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Cheered by a roaring crowd, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois laid claim to the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday night, taking a historic step toward his once-improbable goal of becoming the nation's first black president. Hillary Rodham Clinton maneuvered for the vice presidential spot on his fall ticket without conceding her own defeat.

"America, this is our moment," the 46-year-old senator and one-time community organizer said in his first appearance as the Democratic nominee-in-waiting. "This is our time. Our time to turn the page on the policies of the past."

Clinton praised Obama warmly in an appearance before supporters in New York, although she neither acknowledged his victory in their grueling marathon nor offered a concession of any sort.

Instead, she said she was committed to a unified party and would spend the next few days determining "how to move forward with the best interests of our country and our party guiding my way."

Obama's victory set up a five-month campaign with Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, a race between a first-term Senate opponent of the Iraq War and a 71-year-old former Vietnam prisoner of war and staunch supporter of the current U.S. military mission.

And both men seemed eager to begin.

McCain spoke first, in New Orleans, and he accused his younger rival of voting "to deny funds to the soldiers who have done a brilliant and brave job" in Iraq." Americans, he added, should be concerned about the judgment of a presidential candidate who has not traveled to Iraq yet "says he's ready to talk, in person and without conditions, with tyrants from Havana to Pyongyang."

McCain agreed with Obama that the presidential race would focus on change. "But the choice is between the right change and the wrong change, between going forward and going backward," he said.

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Obama responded quickly, pausing in his own speech long enough to praise Clinton for "her strength, her courage and her commitment to the causes that brought us here tonight."

As for his general election rival, he said, "It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush 95 percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year. It's not change when he offers four more years of Bush economic policies that have failed to create well-paying jobs. ... And it's not change when he promises to continue a policy in Iraq that asks everything of our brave young men and women in uniform and nothing of Iraqi politicians."

In a symbolic move, Obama spoke in the same hall where McCain will accept the Republican nomination at his party's convention in September. Campaign officials, citing the local fire marshal, put the crowd at 17,000 inside the eXcel Energy Center, plus another 15,000 outside.

McCain addressed a smaller crowd by design, an estimated 600 in his audience and another 600 outside.

One campaign began as another was ending.

Clinton won South Dakota on the final night of the primary season; Obama took Montana.

As is his custom, he placed a call to the former first lady to congratulate her on her victory. He left a message on her voicemail asking for a call back, said Linda Douglass a senior campaign adviser.

Only 31 delegates were at stake in the two states on the night's ballot, the final few among the thousands that once drew Obama, Clinton and six other Democratic candidates into the campaign to replace Bush and become the nation's 44th president.

Obama sealed his nomination, according to The Associated Press tally, based on primary elections, state Democratic caucuses and support from party "superdelegates." It takes 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination at the convention in Denver this summer, and Obama had 2,151 by the AP count.

Obama, a first-term senator who was virtually unknown on the national stage four years ago, defeated Clinton, the former first lady and one-time campaign front-runner, in a 17-month marathon for the Democratic nomination.

His victory had been widely assumed for weeks. But Clinton's declaration of interest in becoming his ticketmate was wholly unexpected.

She expressed it in a conference call with her state's congressional delegation after Rep. Nydia Velazquez, predicted Obama would have great difficulty winning the support of Hispanics and other voting blocs unless the former first lady was on the ticket.

"I am open to it" if it would help the party's prospects in November, Clinton replied, according to participants who spoke on condition of anonymity because the call was private.

Clinton's comments raised anew the prospect of what many Democrats have called a "Dream Ticket" that would put a black man and a woman on the same ballot, but Obama's aides were noncommittal. "We're not in the presidential phase here. We're going to close out the nominating fight and then we'll consider that," David Axelrod, Obama's top strategist, told reporters aboard the candidate's plane en route to Minnesota.

McCain's criticism of Obama referred to a vote last year in which the Illinois senator came out against legislation paying for the Iraq war because it did not include a timetable for withdrawing troops. At the time, Obama said the funding would give President Bush "a blank check to continue down this same, disastrous path."

Obama previously had opposed a deadline for troop withdrawal, but shifted position under pressure from the Democratic Party's liberal wing as he maneuvered for support in advance of the primaries.

The young Illinois senator's success in winning the nomination amounted to a victory of hope over experience, earned across an enervating 56 primaries and caucuses that tested the political skills and human endurance of all involved.

Obama stood for change. Clinton was the candidate of experience, ready, she said, to serve in the Oval Office from Day One.

Together, they drew record turnouts in primary after primary _ more than 34 million voters in all, independents and Republicans as well as Democrats.

Yet the race between a black man and a woman exposed deep racial and gender divisions within the party.

Obama drew strength from blacks, and from the younger, more liberal and wealthier voters in many states. Clinton was preferred by older, more downscale voters, and women, of course.

Personality issues rose and receded through the campaign:

Clinton's husband, the former president, campaigned tirelessly for her but sometimes became an issue himself, to her detriment.

And Obama struggled to minimize the damage caused by the incendiary rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an issue likely to be raised anew by Republicans in the fall campaign.

Obama's triumph was fashioned on prodigious fundraising, meticulous organizing and his theme of change aimed at an electorate opposed to the Iraq war and worried about the economy _ all harnessed to his own gifts as an inspirational speaker.

With her husband's two White House terms as a backdrop, Clinton campaigned for months as the candidate of experience, a former first lady and second-term senator ready to be commander in chief.

But after a year on the campaign trail, Obama won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, and the freshman senator became a political phenomenon.

"We came together as Democrats, as Republicans and independents, to stand up and say we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come," he said that night of victory in Des Moines.

As the strongest female presidential candidate in history, Clinton drew large, enthusiastic audiences. Yet Obama's were bigger. One audience, in Dallas, famously cheered when he blew his nose on stage; a crowd of 75,000 turned out in Portland, Ore., the weekend before the state's May 20 primary.

The former first lady countered Obama's Iowa victory with an upset five days later in New Hampshire that set the stage for a campaign marathon as competitive as any in the past generation.

"Over the last week I listened to you, and in the process I found my own voice," she told supporters who had saved her candidacy from an early demise.

In defeat, Obama's aides concluded they had committed a cardinal sin of New Hampshire politics, forsaking small, intimate events in favor of speeches to large audiences inviting them to ratify Iowa's choice.

It was not a mistake they made again _ which helped explain Obama's later outings to bowling alleys, backyard basketball courts and American Legion halls in the heartland.

Clinton conceded nothing, memorably knocking back a shot of Crown Royal whiskey at a bar in Indiana, recalling that her grandfather had taught her to use a shotgun, and driving in a pickup to a gas station in South Bend, Ind., to emphasize her support for a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax.

As other rivals fell away in winter, Obama and Clinton traded victories on Super Tuesday, the Feb. 5 series of primaries and caucuses across 21 states and American Samoa that once seemed likely to settle the nomination.

But Clinton had a problem that Obama exploited, and he scored a coup she could not answer.

Pressed for cash, the former first lady ran noncompetitive campaigns in several Super Tuesday caucus states, allowing her rival to run up his delegate totals.

Merely by surviving Super Tuesday, Obama exceeded expectations. But he did more than survive, emerging with a lead in delegates that he never relinquished, and he proceeded to run off a string of 11 straight victories.

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Cheered by a roaring crowd, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois laid claim to the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday night, taking a historic step toward his once-improbable ...
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- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 157 fans permalink

This is one Democrat who does not want Hillary on the ticket. Fact of the matter is, I don't want Hillary to have any appointment from the Obama administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 06/04/2008

Well ... Few can trust her now but lets not be too harsh.

how about Ambassador to Puerto Rico???

... Ambassador to Appalachia???

.... Bigot Czar???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 06/04/2008
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Laughing, in spite of myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 06/04/2008
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LOL post of the day..Ambas­sador to Appalachia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 06/04/2008

I like ambassador for Peurto Rico, but I feel a bit more charitable. Maybe the Head of Health Care, the Zarr of healthcare. Maybe, if she could agree to be a little more cooperative. What saddens me most about watching her over these past months, was seeing her break down, and as she went, stir her fans up more and more until they are increasingly looking like a frenzied mob more than a group of respectable democrats showing support for their candidate. When they were shouting "Denver. Denver" at her rally last night, she didn't bother to correct them. Her bahaviour is, frankly despicable!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 06/04/2008
- undecidee I'm a Fan of undecidee 4 fans permalink

I think that Obama should offer her a post in his adminstration as a Health care czarina. I think he would offer Edwards a position as a poverty czar so why not a czarina.

But, I don't think that he should offer her the VP spot. Too many people are still upset with her for it to be a good thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 06/04/2008
- gjoh I'm a Fan of gjoh 6 fans permalink

Congratulations, Barack!

Congratulations, Obama Campaign! Well done!

Congratulations, Obama Supporters and Fundraisers! Way to go!

On to the White House! YES WE CAN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 06/04/2008
- sixletters I'm a Fan of sixletters 11 fans permalink
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Kathleen Sebelius as VP!!!!
Kathleen Sebelius as VP!!!!
Kathleen Sebelius as VP!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 06/04/2008
- McFlipFlop I'm a Fan of McFlipFlop 14 fans permalink
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Ted Strickland, Governor of Ohio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 06/04/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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I've been saying that for six months. She's perfect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/04/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

Hear Hear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 06/04/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

I prefer the attack dog Kucinich for VP. That would turn everything on its head. I would love to see him going after McCain. The airwaves would sizzle.

I like Sebelius too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 06/04/2008
- marlainWA I'm a Fan of marlainWA 7 fans permalink

I agree, I want Kathleen to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 06/04/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 157 fans permalink

Stubborn seems to be HRC's outstanding characteristic. Same with Bush and McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 06/04/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Matthew Yglesias on McCain's speech last night:

One -- McCain is a very bad public speaker.

Two -- it's interesting that he's shifted his aesthetic from his old black and white "fascist" aesthetic to a new green and white Islamofascist aesthetic.

Three -- despite the general badness of his speaking manner, McCain does have highs and lows. You can tell that he gets excited, personally, when talking in a generic way about how America is awesome. But when he waxes about reforming government institutions, it's obvious that McCain is bored and not at all the kind of person who's inclined to immerse himself in the details of these kind of issues.

Four -- even McCain's audience doesn't seem to like this speech.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/mccains_speech.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 06/04/2008
- riley85 I'm a Fan of riley85 2 fans permalink

Congratulations to all the Obama supporters--but especially to the African Americans. I know Obama has made you very proud and you deserve this wonderful breakthrough in history.

Congratulations to the 18 million people, especially the women, that dreamed of a woman president.
Our best qualities as women-patience, resilience, and perseverance will lead us one day to a woman president. It was not meant to be Hillary at this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 06/04/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

Good Lawd .... O was absolutely ... well, I'm just awestruck at that man's knowledge and his ability to speak clearly to every damn body, every damn where and at any damn time!

O just gave yet another important message at AIPAC ... if ya missed it ... so, so sorry!!The applause was deafening ... standing ovations repeatedly!!

He is truly SPECIAL .. and America ought to be glad!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 06/04/2008

He was truly wonderful.­..just damn!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 06/04/2008
- McFlipFlop I'm a Fan of McFlipFlop 14 fans permalink
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Yes, an extremely strong speech, and well received. This man will be President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 06/04/2008
- bongogirl I'm a Fan of bongogirl 3 fans permalink
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I heard the speech; and to sum it up, as my little niece often asserts, OBAMA IS AWESOME!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 06/04/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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It was a great speech. I just don't like his Jerusalem policy. But hey, you can't agree with a person 100% of the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 06/04/2008
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I agree. His speech was brilliant, but I couldn't disagree with Obama more about some of the things he outlined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 06/04/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

I hear you ... but to war for eons is not to live, not to prosper ... generations are losing their babies ... who will be left at this mindset to maintain Jerusalem.­.. the babies are dying!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 06/04/2008
- Mike4Obama I'm a Fan of Mike4Obama 34 fans permalink
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I encourage everyone to watch his AIPAC speech once its posted on you-tube. He has a very clear and strong stance on mid-east policy that I believe most Americans can agree with.

Truly and inspiration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 06/04/2008
- DebofMD I'm a Fan of DebofMD 14 fans permalink
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The deepest, heart-felt congratulations Senator Barack Obama (soon to be President Obama). I am SOOOOOO proud of you and your family. Keep on fighting the good fight.

Obama '08

Yay!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 06/04/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 119 fans permalink
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Senator Obama just said, Jews and Blacks have a deep history of fighting for Civil Rights and Equality and must stand shoulder to shoulder to fight against racism and hatred (I'm paraphasing).

Now it's time for the Master Race Baiter to speak. I would hate to have to follow Senator Obama's speech on anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 06/04/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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How long before Hillary challenges Obama to a debate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 06/04/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 06/04/2008
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Will Obama concede?

I know he has won more states, more delegates, more votes, and has mathematically clinched the nomination, but Hillary hasn't decided that he has won yet.

Shouldn’t it be up to her to decide if Obama has won?

He should concede. He should do the right thing for Hillary and her rabid supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 06/04/2008
- arspar183 I'm a Fan of arspar183 4 fans permalink
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That's funny!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 06/04/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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If she gets on the ticket somehow, she'll be behind Obama for the State of the Union, debating him as he attempts to speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/04/2008

LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 06/04/2008
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 315 fans permalink
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I read somewhere McSame is using Hillary's remarks on his ads. A ticket with her as VP, using her own words to defeat the ticket? Please Obama choose somebody loyal to the country, the party and you. Seblius, Webb, Edwards, Hagel. There are so many to choose from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 06/04/2008
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Don't forget Richardson. Shores up two MAJOR "problem areas" for Obama: foreign policy and the Hispanic vote.

We've already got a historic candidate. Let's make it a historic TICKET!!!!

Obama/Richardson - Yeah, that's the ticket!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 06/04/2008
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No member of the GOP will be loyal to our party and Webb is only a recent conversion.

If gender is critical to voters, to soothe the emotions of Hillary's fans then Sebelius is it,

but if experience and loyalty are to be respected, Richardson is the best choice for US.

John Edwards would be more effective, raising people over corporations and restoring

the rule of law as our next Atty General.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 06/04/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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Hillary missed a great opportunity last night to repair her image.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 06/04/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

She made history alright. The most tactless, classless and graceless losing speech ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 06/04/2008

wait til she speaks in denver
go hilary!!
dont give up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 06/04/2008
- Grazziella I'm a Fan of Grazziella 25 fans permalink
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I honestly thought that she would. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but then MSNBC reported that Obama called to congratulate Hillary on her win in South Dakota and.....

he had to leave a message and ask her to call him back.

I was beside myself when that was reported. Maybe I didn't catch it when she spoke, but did she even congratulate Barack in her speech in NY last night?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 06/04/2008

Clearly, Hillary Clinton is using her supporters as a form of extortion to obtain the VP spot. This is both despicable and totally reprehensible! Senator Obama's campaign should bare in mind that caving into such a demand would only make him look weak, indecisive and inexperienced - something no doubt Senator McCain will exploit in the upcoming election. McCains talking point will be if Senator Obama can't stand up against Hillary Clinton's demands, how can he hold his own against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? That being said, Senator Obama should offer Senator Clinton a respectable position in his cabinet and call it a day. And he should take heart that Hillary's so called 'army' of supporters are first and foremost democrats who will soon do what's best for the party and not what's best for Hillary Clinton. If not, then it won't be Senator Obama's doing if the Democrats fail to win the White House - it will be Hillary Clinton's fault and her legacy will go down in infamy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 06/04/2008

I agree. CNN is already reporting that the Republicans are using Hillary's infamous "I have experience, McCain has experience, Obama has a little speech..." speech in a campaign ad against Obama. You cannot have a VP that said things like that. Sorry Hillary, your own actions are the reason why you cannot be VP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 06/04/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 111 fans permalink
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it was written by the same lobbying firm, most likely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 06/04/2008
- Merckx I'm a Fan of Merckx 20 fans permalink
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Uh, it's called politics.

Hillary Clinton just won more primary votes than any American in U.S. Presidential race history.
She not only earned a right at the table, she is needed there.
I will be a strong supporter of Obama, but kicking Hillary to the curb is not the way to win in November.
Vice President might not be the best place for her, but somewhere working on Heath care, she should be involved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 06/04/2008

I hope that he does not fall into the mistake of having Clinton, and all her baggage, as a VP. It will go against all the things he is fighting against in Washington, and quite frankly, McSame will haunt him for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/04/2008
- mystic I'm a Fan of mystic 18 fans permalink

"Hillary's so called 'army' of supporters are first and foremost democrats who will soon do what's best for the party "

I'm not so sure I agree with you. Many of Hillary supporters, I'm not sure how many, are Israeli firsters who put Israel above America, and these extremists and fanatics think Obama would be too fair and balanced to the Palestinians, and that's the last thing they want, a two State solution would be death for Israel they believe. They WOULD vote for McCain hands down if Hillary were out of the way. They have paid millions to AIPAC t (and thence to Hillary) to ensure Israel is "protected" (which means that the genocide against the Palestinians should continue). To this let's-bomb-Iran crowd, people like President Carter similarly are regarded as the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 06/04/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 216 fans permalink

The bad part is that her supporters are letting themselves be used, yes USED, as bargaining chips in her game of chicken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 06/04/2008
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 21 fans permalink

Indeed! Hillary's "supporters are letting themselves be used" !
Like the enablers of an alcoholic family member - destruction of sanity. Hard choices based on reality take a back seat to false hope and faith. It's the demise of the soul -it's called denial and that is tragic!
Superdelagates must not enable the myth of Queen Hillary and annouce reality that Obama is our new leader and send hillary to rehabilitate her demons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 06/04/2008
- eej I'm a Fan of eej 8 fans permalink

Obama picked up 26,000 more than Hillary in Montana. She picked up 6,000 more than Obama in South Dakota.

Her flying monkeys are still telling the lie about the popular vote. You know, the one that throws out four caucus states and ignores 30,000 write-in votes for Obama in addition to his 40% uncommitted in Michigan.

How can they lie like this? Are they all sociopaths? And why don't the interviewers correct them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 06/04/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

The question really is why the msm doesn't nail her on that!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 06/04/2008

Don't forget to subtract the Hillary votes that came from Rush's Operation Chaos Republicans. They are thought to have been as many as 120,000 in 4 states.

Republicans causing mischief shouldn't count either!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/04/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 77 fans permalink

Operation Chaos Hilla-Cain votes should be considered treason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 06/04/2008
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Rush should be prosecuted. Rules should be changed so that it would be harder for people to disrupt the parties election. I am also in favor of semi-independent parties within the Rep.and Dem. parties so the public can know exactly where their politicians stand so they can't just switch positions or be ambiguous about their positions. The public deserves to better know where there politicians stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 06/04/2008

Glad you mentioned the popular vote; I was just about to post about this. Last night (I think it was CNN) reported that before the last couple races Hillary had 3,000 more votes - using the Clinton Math (which gives Obama ZERO votes from MI, and zero from all the caucuses he won ) . So I made it a point to look at the final voting numbers when 100% of the Montana & South Dakota votes were in, and Obama clearly has more votes, even by her "metric." My numbers are a little bit different than what you got though, eej , FWIW . At least from looking at the vote count before I went to bed last night (this morning) , when 100% of S. Dakota was in, I was seeing that Clinton had about 11, 000 more votes than Obama for that state. Checking the CNN website today for the Montana results with 100% in, it says Obama got 102,373 votes to Clinton's 74, 792 votes - a win of over 27,000 votes (pretty close to what you said). So by The Clinton Math (and my calculations of it) , Obama wins the popular vote by (27K - 11K = 16K lead from 2 states, minus the 3 K alleged Clinton edge prior to those 2 states' primaries) 13,000 votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 06/04/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Hillary's people are now saying she may need as long as 2 weeks to "adjust".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 06/04/2008
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