Obama's Debt To Harold Ickes

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First Posted: 06- 3-08 02:30 AM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movements in which Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Harold Ickes, was a key player.

When Obama was barely three, Ickes took part in Mississippi Freedom Summer, helping the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party send a primarily black delegation to the 1964 national convention in Atlantic City.

After the Freedom Democratic delegation was denied seating by the virtually all white male Democratic Party establishment, Ickes -- then 24 -- went on to help organize the party's reformist Harold Hughes Commission, the precursor to the McGovern Commission.

The anger against entrenched power of the old-line Democratic Party intensified, and by 1968, young civil rights, women's rights, and anti-war activists were beaten in the streets of Chicago outside the convention hall, and the protests of dissidents were gaveled down by party bosses on the convention floor. The outrage gave birth to the Democratic Party's Commission on Party Structure and Delegate Selection, aka the McGovern Commission.

Writing in the January 1970 issue of Harper's about the '68 convention, McGovern described the "tumultuous floor debate, bloodshed and tear gas in the streets...it also evokes the image of rigged procedures, a political party assembled to reach predetermined decisions. The convention became the shame of the Democratic Party."

Coming out of the turmoil of the sixties, the 1972 McGovern rules, as they came to be known, radically altered the way Democrats pick their presidential nominees, opening up the political process by mandating proportional inclusion of previously excluded constituencies -- African Americans, voters under 30, and women.

All of the reforms adopted then, and modified over the years, have been in play this year, including the expanded role in party proceedings of blacks, women, and the young; the required use of proportional representation; and superdelegates.

One reform stands out particularly in Obama's march to victory: the much wider use of open caucuses as a key component of the nomination process. Caucuses differ from primaries in that participants must spend many hours in a complex rule-ridden bargaining process that determines how a precinct or ward will allocate its support among the presidential candidates.

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Now, some 36 years after the adoption of the McGovern rules, caucuses as a vehicle for the selection of convention delegates have empowered a key Obama constituency: young and relatively well-educated social-cultural liberals -- just the class of political activists that Ickes and the Clintons came out of and made salient.

In the arcane caucus procedures, with turnout ranging from only two to eight percent of the eligible Democratic electorate (compared to voter participation rates in primaries ranging from 20 to 35 percent), smart and strategically savvy party activists make up a disproportionately large share of participants.

"The caucuses made Obama, there is no doubt about it," argues University of Wisconsin political scientist Byron Shafer, the foremost expert on changes since the 1960s in the Democratic nominating process.

"Caucuses were the preferred institution of the reformers. The argument of the reform theorists was not about the gross bulk of participation, but about the character of the participation," Shafer said. In a primary, "you could go and vote, but it was limited: you pull the lever that was it. In a caucus, it wasn't that turnout would be lower, it was the quality of the turnout was higher."

It would be difficult to overestimate the consequences for Obama of Democratic Party reforms promoting caucuses. If the caucus states were eliminated, Obama would not be the one on the verge of declaring victory.

As of June 2, according to RealClearPolitics, Obama had a 157 delegate vote lead over Clinton, 2072 to 1915.

In the 14 states that picked some or all of their delegates through caucus systems this year, Obama won 400 delegates to Clinton's 193, a 207 delegate advantage that more than accounts for his overall delegate lead.

An analysis (pdf) published on TalkLeft found that total Democratic voter participation in the caucus states amounted to 1.1 million people, compared to the 32.4 million voters in Democratic primaries, a ratio of 30 to one. Caucus participants made up 3.2 percent of the total of 33.5 million primary voters and caucus goers combined.

In contrast to the relatively close results in most primary states, Obama won many of the caucus states by huge margins, often substantially exceeding 60 percent. As a consequence, he piled up large numbers of delegates in the relatively low turnout contests.

The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes. Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes.

Charles Stewart III of MIT did a separate analysis of primaries and caucuses with results similar to those of the Talk Left study, finding that in primary states, Clinton won 1,557.5 delegates, 16 more delegates than Obama's 1,521.5. In caucus states, Stewart found, Obama won 366 delegates, or 191 more than Clinton's 175.

In private, a number of Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in failing to recognize the profound impact of the caucuses on the delegate count.

"We just thought we'd win the primaries, and the caucuses would follow along," one key Clinton strategist said. "It's on the top of the list of things we'd like to do over."

Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movemen...
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- oldcitizen I'm a Fan of oldcitizen 5 fans permalink

Harold Ickes could have done himself, Hillary Clinton and her supporters a big favor by admitting that he was angry and frustrated with himself for first having played an instrumental role in establishing the caucus process as an alternative to primary elections, and second for having spearheaded the move to punish Michigan and Florida by not seating their delegates. Personally, I thought his "rage" over the "high jacketing" of four delegates (2 votes) was posturing for the most hysterical members of the sorest losers in his choir that did nothing to further their candidate's campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 06/03/2008
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 74 fans permalink
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This undermines the whole EXPERIENCE argument that HRC was trying to con folks with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 06/03/2008

From what I have seen playout, the sad reality for Senator Clinton is that her campaign was fatally flawed from the outset. It was only once they realized they were in a real fight that they canned Mark Penn and then Harold Ickes and Terry McAuliffe and Geoff Garin came to the forefront.

While both Ickes and McAuliffe have vexed me (as I am a passionate supporter of Senator Obama), I have great respect for the effectiveness they have shown in helping Senator Clinton turn around her campaign.

The course correction came too late, but Senator Clinton finished this campaign as a MUCH stronger candidate.

If Senator Clinton shows the grace I expect her to in conceding this tough loss, and if she fervently and tirelessly campaigns for Senator Obama (as I expect her to), then she will still have a bright future in the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 06/03/2008

HRC has a long history of learning her lessons too late...

- acting like an aloof northerner during Bill Clinton's first ill-fated term as governor of Arkansas
- stonewalling information on Whitewater in a way that turned what should have been a minor embarrassment into a full-fledged scandal,
- concocting a Rube Goldberg health care plan in private wonk sessions and then stubbornly refusing to adapt it despite warnings from allies in Congress - in the process blowing the best shot we've ever had at reforming health care in the U.S. and making it untouchable for another 14 years
- remaining unapologetic about voting for the Iraq war
- sticking too long with a bunch of infighting loyalists who blew through $100 million and ran out of money by Super Tuesday before realizing she might just need the caucus states

I've been watching the Hillary show for 30 years, and it always plays out the same. Her stubborn intractability inevitably lands her tail in a crack, she performs a loud and long rendition of the indignant victim routine, and then she quietly readjusts after it's too late to do anyone else any good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 06/04/2008
- stringer I'm a Fan of stringer 8 fans permalink

Agreed, excellent lesson. But Ickes real gift to Obama came when he threatened to take the Rules Committee ruling to the Credentials committee. That, combined with Ickes own over-the-top, angry performance in front of said committee, was the last gasp of any notion Hillary Clinton held of appeal. After that it was clear any such move would only be a movement to ruin the Party. Hence, that was when it really ended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 06/03/2008
- Belisarius I'm a Fan of Belisarius 31 fans permalink
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Ickes was once described by the NY Times as "Bill Clinton's Garbage Man".

Ickes started out idealistic but soon lost his way. He was fired by Bill Clinton in 1997 as the sacrifice for the scandal about selling access to the white house. This was one of the many, many Clinton scandals that contributed to HRC's 50% negatives nation wide.

Here is the article about Ickes from the NY Times titled "Bill Clinton's Garbage Man". The title pretty much says it all.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804EED81438F932A1575AC0A961958260

I hope BO is never tainted by such a man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 06/03/2008

Thanks for the history lesson, and for the breakdown of caucus states versus primary states, very clearly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 06/03/2008
- Brillig I'm a Fan of Brillig 11 fans permalink

So does the fact that Ickes did the right things THEN, mean he now has the right to pretend that all the things HE fought for are NOTHING, now that HIS PREFERRED CANDIDATE didn't play the game to WIN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 06/03/2008
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 253 fans permalink
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Have no doubt, this line of thinking is part of a first foray meant to destroy the caucus system as "unfair". Iowa made Obama. The party machine is foaming at the mouth with ire. "Leftists", according to the party bosses, marched into the Iowa caucuses and kidnapped the process. Funny... because what these "leftists" looked like in Johnson County: University students, their professors and professional people...w­hite, white, white. In Blackhawk county: old white ladies, red-necked farmers, union workers, out of work blue-color workers and the African American community of Waterloo. It mattered not that the Clinton's owned the Democratic party for decades. Oh... the party bosses hate it! The nerve of Iowa farmers overturning their designs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 06/03/2008
- eladora I'm a Fan of eladora 9 fans permalink

Is Obama black? I think it is time for everyone to just say he is our candidate and get behind him and push the repubs over the edge. Let this site be the one to get over the black thing --- red and yellow green and white--- lets go take our country back .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 06/03/2008

Does anyone else want to vomit when Harold Ickes has his shirts unbuttoned down nearly to the navel revealing his creepy old man chest?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 06/03/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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He WAS pretty gross. It was like he got out of bed without washing his face, shaving or combing his little wisps of hair in place. What does he look like when he's NOT in front of the entire country ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 06/03/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 279 fans permalink
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So you 3 people are thinking about looks over substance????

Why both comming to the Huff then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 06/03/2008
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The other day on CNN I swear Ickes had hickies on his "redneck".­.. sorry I ment to say neck whatever!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 06/03/2008

The entire premise that he owes Ickes, directly or indirectly, anything is ridiculous. He tailored a strategy to win based on the current system and rules. Had another system been in place he would have developed a different strategy. The single mindset and "only one path" mindset is typical of Clinton and her crew, not Obama. Have journalists become so pathetic in their search to create a sensational piece (Oh my Barack owes Ickes!) that they ignore the realities of life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 06/03/2008
- kiga I'm a Fan of kiga permalink

I don't suffer from "abused woman syndrome" with nowhere to go. DNC has this wrong. This time, I have the strength to leave this relationship and not vote for "Donald Duck" as I have for the past 2 times. Hillary has won more votes and Obama has stolen the nomination by stealing the caucuses. I, for one, will not reward a cheater with my vote, I don't care if Hillary tells me to vote for him; this is bigger than Hillary! I am sick of DNC producing an out of touch, elite, loser every 4 years and will write her in (I already have asked for absentee ballot, so I can do that).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 06/03/2008
- admiralj I'm a Fan of admiralj 3 fans permalink

Hillary HAS NOT WON MORE VOTES, please get the facts straight and do not listen to what this woman says, its not a true statment.
She is only saying this to try and stay in the race and raise more campaign money to repay her debts. If she had run a very good campaign like Obama did she would not be in debt 30milion$. Obama has competed in the same states as Hillary and still has money left????? Makes you wonder who would be better at reducing the National Debt.
Please go out and vote for McSame because a write-in vote for Hillary is just the same as "Being a Republican". If you love her that much wait until 2016 she can run again then, only ask her to READ the rules for campaiging.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/03/2008
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How do you steal a caucus?

And why are there so many people that are willing to rant about the supposed disenfranchisement of FL & MI that seem to be quite cheerfully willing to ignore the preferences of the people living in caucus states?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 06/03/2008

I was wondering the same thing! The DNC approved and sanctions caucuses. In fact, wasn't it Bill Clinton who *urged* Texas voters to "vote early and often", meaning, that they should vote for Senator Clinton, then go caucus for her? Why the heck is it that now the caucuses are suspect? I don't understand this at all.

I would also venture to say that the DNC doesn't "produce" a candidate - the voters, delegates, and superdelegates VOTE for the candidate.

I'm also not sure what you're implying, kiga, by saying that "this is bigger than Hillary" - what is? Do you truly think that the voices raised for Senator Obama are less important than those raised for Senator Clinton? Do you truly think that subverting the ruies of the DNC and causing derision, disarray, and confusion will truly help Senator Clinton?

I can only say that if all of us would think - and think HARD - about Presiden Kennedy's exhortation "ask not what your country can do for you...ask what you can do for your country" that everyone in the US - Democrats and Republicans alike - would be better off.

I'm sick of the divisions in this country by party affiliation - Senator Obama is the first and best champion of this election in urging the ending of division and truly supporting common goals. C'mon - let's work together to rebuild our nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 06/03/2008
- wotcanisay I'm a Fan of wotcanisay 5 fans permalink

What Harold Ickes did in the sixties was what needed to be done.

If Obama benefited as a result, Amen!

Instead of gloating on Harold Ickes' shortsightedness - if it can be called that - one should compliment Harold Ickes for being so progressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 06/03/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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Yeah, a compliment for what he used to be, once upon a time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 06/03/2008

Yup, that was then, this is NOW. He had an opportunity to join a progressive cause similar to the one he was so fond of back in the 60s. He chose to support an establishment candidate instead. It's ok. He can still change, and come over to the Progressive side again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 06/03/2008

Blame the caucuses.

What many of these "privileged [white] kids with connections" fail to realize is that this woman was a fatally-flawed candidate from the start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 06/03/2008

Senator Obama has won this nominating contest by following the rules. There is no way to determine whether he would have won had the rules been different. Since his campaign studied the rules and followed them to victory, we can make the assumption that had the rules been different, Senator Obama's campaign would have mastered those different rules and still come out ahead.

Remember, Senator Clinton's key delegate strategist, Mark Penn, thought that the California primary was winner take all (which it is not and has not been in decades).

Perhaps kudos should be given to Senator Obama's team for actually understanding and following the arcane rules set up by Harold Ickes, and others, instead, of suggesting that "but for" these rules Senator Obama would not have won. In the end, the later is an argument that is incapable of being proven and seems absurd in light of how each campaign strategized based on (or in spite of) the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 06/03/2008
- PaulLoeb I'm a Fan of PaulLoeb 11 fans permalink

PS--you could also say that Clinton benefitted massively by the front-loaded schdule, where he had viritually no time to campaign in key super Tuesday states to close the gap. From Iowa, when Americans really began taking his campaign seriously, he only had time to make 1 visit to New York and 3 to California, with many of the latter's votes being case via early voting before the Kennedy endorsement and his massive Oprah rally in LA.

So I"d be wary about saying the structure of the campaign benefitted Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 06/03/2008
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