Obama's Debt To Harold Ickes

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First Posted: 06- 3-08 02:30 AM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movements in which Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Harold Ickes, was a key player.

When Obama was barely three, Ickes took part in Mississippi Freedom Summer, helping the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party send a primarily black delegation to the 1964 national convention in Atlantic City.

After the Freedom Democratic delegation was denied seating by the virtually all white male Democratic Party establishment, Ickes -- then 24 -- went on to help organize the party's reformist Harold Hughes Commission, the precursor to the McGovern Commission.

The anger against entrenched power of the old-line Democratic Party intensified, and by 1968, young civil rights, women's rights, and anti-war activists were beaten in the streets of Chicago outside the convention hall, and the protests of dissidents were gaveled down by party bosses on the convention floor. The outrage gave birth to the Democratic Party's Commission on Party Structure and Delegate Selection, aka the McGovern Commission.

Writing in the January 1970 issue of Harper's about the '68 convention, McGovern described the "tumultuous floor debate, bloodshed and tear gas in the streets...it also evokes the image of rigged procedures, a political party assembled to reach predetermined decisions. The convention became the shame of the Democratic Party."

Coming out of the turmoil of the sixties, the 1972 McGovern rules, as they came to be known, radically altered the way Democrats pick their presidential nominees, opening up the political process by mandating proportional inclusion of previously excluded constituencies -- African Americans, voters under 30, and women.

All of the reforms adopted then, and modified over the years, have been in play this year, including the expanded role in party proceedings of blacks, women, and the young; the required use of proportional representation; and superdelegates.

One reform stands out particularly in Obama's march to victory: the much wider use of open caucuses as a key component of the nomination process. Caucuses differ from primaries in that participants must spend many hours in a complex rule-ridden bargaining process that determines how a precinct or ward will allocate its support among the presidential candidates.

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Now, some 36 years after the adoption of the McGovern rules, caucuses as a vehicle for the selection of convention delegates have empowered a key Obama constituency: young and relatively well-educated social-cultural liberals -- just the class of political activists that Ickes and the Clintons came out of and made salient.

In the arcane caucus procedures, with turnout ranging from only two to eight percent of the eligible Democratic electorate (compared to voter participation rates in primaries ranging from 20 to 35 percent), smart and strategically savvy party activists make up a disproportionately large share of participants.

"The caucuses made Obama, there is no doubt about it," argues University of Wisconsin political scientist Byron Shafer, the foremost expert on changes since the 1960s in the Democratic nominating process.

"Caucuses were the preferred institution of the reformers. The argument of the reform theorists was not about the gross bulk of participation, but about the character of the participation," Shafer said. In a primary, "you could go and vote, but it was limited: you pull the lever that was it. In a caucus, it wasn't that turnout would be lower, it was the quality of the turnout was higher."

It would be difficult to overestimate the consequences for Obama of Democratic Party reforms promoting caucuses. If the caucus states were eliminated, Obama would not be the one on the verge of declaring victory.

As of June 2, according to RealClearPolitics, Obama had a 157 delegate vote lead over Clinton, 2072 to 1915.

In the 14 states that picked some or all of their delegates through caucus systems this year, Obama won 400 delegates to Clinton's 193, a 207 delegate advantage that more than accounts for his overall delegate lead.

An analysis (pdf) published on TalkLeft found that total Democratic voter participation in the caucus states amounted to 1.1 million people, compared to the 32.4 million voters in Democratic primaries, a ratio of 30 to one. Caucus participants made up 3.2 percent of the total of 33.5 million primary voters and caucus goers combined.

In contrast to the relatively close results in most primary states, Obama won many of the caucus states by huge margins, often substantially exceeding 60 percent. As a consequence, he piled up large numbers of delegates in the relatively low turnout contests.

The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes. Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes.

Charles Stewart III of MIT did a separate analysis of primaries and caucuses with results similar to those of the Talk Left study, finding that in primary states, Clinton won 1,557.5 delegates, 16 more delegates than Obama's 1,521.5. In caucus states, Stewart found, Obama won 366 delegates, or 191 more than Clinton's 175.

In private, a number of Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in failing to recognize the profound impact of the caucuses on the delegate count.

"We just thought we'd win the primaries, and the caucuses would follow along," one key Clinton strategist said. "It's on the top of the list of things we'd like to do over."

Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movemen...
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- rh654 I'm a Fan of rh654 14 fans permalink

If Obama owes Ickes for all of those changes...

Then doesn't Hillary have some blame for Ickes?

How Ironic that on of Hillary's front people is responsible for helping bring about changes that lead to helping Hillary lose...

But in the end - with 35 years of Experience how in the world did Hillary just completely fail to grasp the Caucus process and with the resources she had - the name - the husband - and everything else - how did she let this election slip through her fingers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 06/03/2008

Thank You, Bwanna, thank you!
If Ickes hadn't started the ball rolling, McGovern would have. Can anyone honestly remember how pissed so many Democrats were in '68? Same now, except the Clinton Machine are the entrenched, entitled establishment that wants to 'dictate'. Ickes has spoiled what little clout he's groomed outside of the beltway in so much the same way B.Clinton tried to credit Johnson above M.L.K.. Move over, Modern Dixiecrats; Looks like Denver is the new Chicago. Or rather it will look like it on YouTube, at least. I was too young to go to Chicago in '68; And I'm not white enough to feel safe there (or most other places in this country) now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 06/04/2008
- PaulLoeb I'm a Fan of PaulLoeb 11 fans permalink

Speaking as someone who lives in the Caucus state of Washington, I'd be careful to put too much wait on the caucus-vs primary spin. Clearly it helped Obama in some states, like Idaho and Kansas, but in Washington, we'd have probably voted similarly to Oregon, in fact more favorably to Obama, since our population is slightly more multiracial, younger and more educated, all demographics which lean Obama. And while Obama might have lost 1 or 2 delegates to his margin, his lead would have likely ended up close to the same. I also really object to the TalkLeft (a rabid pro-Clinton site) talking about "voter suppression" in the caucuses.

There are some real issues for people who work, but caucuses are also incredible party-building mechanisms in terms of enlisting new donors and volunteers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 06/03/2008

Well yes. But we in WA also had BOTH caucus and primary. Obama won BOTH. Handily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 06/03/2008
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 289 fans permalink
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Amen, Citizen. I have participated in caucuses in both Iowa and Washington state. One is surrounded by one's neighbors. One is not rude. What "voter suppression"?! At every caucus i have ever attended one struggles to make sure every neighbor is heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 06/03/2008

I don't thinks he(Edsell) was talking about voter supression, but lack of participation. Whether you think that caucuses are good or bad, it is clear that fewer people participate in them. I'll read again, but I don't think that Mr. Edsell took a side in the article. I thought it was very informative.

By the way, I see the positive and negatives of caucuses. Those are the current rules, so Obama has nothing to apologize about. He and his campaign did a great job of organizing in those states. That is one contributing factor that allowed him to win the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 06/03/2008
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Hoisted upon his own petard! Poetic Justice rears it's beautiful head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 06/03/2008

Thanks for this reminder about Harold Ickes and the Mississippi Freedom Summer. My takeaway is that contrary to the message coming from many Clinton supporters we often do better when we let the young lead. Those Clinton supporters who write here about wisdom that comes from old age forget that as we age we are more likely to become vested in the world as it is rather than continuing to believe that our efforts can remake the world as it should be. As the part of the campaign ends, it is the idealism of younger Americans who worked their asses off for Obama in Iowa when no one thought he had a chance that I will most appreciate. It is the young kids of all races who talked and talked to their parents and grandparents until some of those elder were able to overcome all that they believed about what a Black man could/should be able to achieve and cast a vote for Obama that I will rememember. I count on these young Americans to continue to push older Americans including Barack Obama further than we might feel comfortable going with respect to gay rights, the almost reflexive use of the military to solve foreign policy challenges, and a host of other issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 06/03/2008
- Agnim I'm a Fan of Agnim 6 fans permalink

YES!

Obama is mere caricature!

Someone else earned Obama's Harvard Law Degree for him. tsk tsk

Obama owes everything that he is to others and not to his enormous amounts of innate qualities and abilities.

Because a highly intelligent and highly educated man acts so down to earth, little minds are inclined to be dismissive of his enormous skills. The relatively little minds come across as being ignorant/unmindful that they are dealing with someone who is their intellectual superior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 06/03/2008

Got a link?

If not, PLEASE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 06/03/2008
- kas70 I'm a Fan of kas70 24 fans permalink
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You want a link to prove something ridiculous yet rampant: that people tear down those they feel are smarter (insert: prettier, handsomer, taller, more popular, etc.) because they feel inadequate in themselves? You didn't learn this in grade school?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/03/2008

You can't figure this out without a link? Sounds a little sad to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 06/03/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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Here's your link, Agnim - (learn something of value) : www.barackobama.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 06/03/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 584 fans permalink
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A link??

Agnim is expressing an informed perspective about our nature as human beings, and it is a perspective that is both shared and experienced by many of us.

Throughout this primary, many of Senator Clinton's supporters and surrogates have relentlessly diminished Senator Obama's intellect and skills by suggesting that his achievements are not of his own doing, but the result of someone or something else other than himself. For example, Geraldine Ferraro suggested that he's winning, not because of his own skill and talent, but because he's black. Whites are voting for him because of guilt and blacks are only voting for him because he's black, are arguments that seek to suggest that we couldn't possibly be voting for him because we believe him to be the better candidate with the greater potential to be the leader of our country and the leader of the free world. Those who have engaged in this perverted way of explaining Senator Obama's accomplishments are reluctant to see him as someone who is either their intellectual equal or intellectual superior and have therefore been willfully dismissive of his innate gifts as a human being .

People are very often intimidated by the intellect and skills of others, particularly by those whom they are accustomed to seeing as inferior to themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 06/03/2008
- hokulele I'm a Fan of hokulele 2 fans permalink

You're comparing apples to oranges in the states you chose to compare. Are you saying all caucuses are elitist? I was a participant in the history you write about. H Ickes was and continues to be elitist. Saying he is responsible for Obama being able to run for president is obnoxious at best. You are under the sway of the Clinton fuzzy math. Get a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 06/03/2008

Why are all these people going way out of their way (MSM) to act like Hillary is owed something.
I'm listening right now to Obama bowing-down to Clinton and kissing Her butt, as opposed to JERKS cutting-off-their-nose-to spite-their-face. That was C. Todd of MSNBC talking that crap.
I say B.S., People will do what they want to do regardless.

In order for the Clinton's to maintain any standing in this party (I don't think they care.) they need to NOT make an effort to tear the party up.
I think Obama kissing Butt to them is a cop-out. This guy DID NOTHING wrong, they DID EVERYTHING WRONG. Not His fault! They never had to run a contest on principles, just on popularity, 4 if I'm not mistaking?

I say, people that care about our nation, better get busy. Maybe Obama IS or IS NOT the answer to our problems.
I see through the MSM B.S., DON"T YOU?

Coping out to cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face politics is: APPEASMENT. The enemy is just that, no matter what party they are from.
Lets respect women, the less-educated, Latinos, Hard-working-WHITES (Hillary's facts) and anything else they choose to claim, that are willing to allow another 4 years of S..t drowning this country.

I'm not hoping for a decent candidate, we have one. What's going to be is going to be!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 06/03/2008
- ched I'm a Fan of ched 10 fans permalink
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Whoever Ickes may have been once upon a time, he bore absolutely no resemblance to the petulant, scowling, cynical son of a b**ch who lied and spun on an hourly basis throughout this campaign in pursuit of the power he and the clintons had lost and felt entitled to regain by any means necessary. It is entirely fitting that the self-absorbed boomers who came of age in the 60's spouting platitudes about peace and love only to sell out at the first opportunity should be displaced from power by one of the kids who took their message to heart and who leads an army of their grandchildren demanding better than the likes of Ickes and the Clintons have been willing to offer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 06/03/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr. 83 fans permalink

Absolutely right. Know who Ickes reminded me of more than anyone? Tarik Aziz. "No, the claims that (BOOM!) American troops are now in Baghdad are (WHOOSH!) just propoganda (KABLAM!)"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 06/03/2008
- hoodrat I'm a Fan of hoodrat 27 fans permalink
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Spike Lee made a caricature of people like Ickes, Tubbs, Wolfson, McAuliffe: RADIO RAHEEM! MSB, thanks for reminding me of Aziz. Couldn't remember his name when comparing the "talking heads" earlier in campaign. But bro., the shoe sure fits : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 06/03/2008

Ickey is still ICKY THOUGH. He is an idiot at times....He just needs to shut his mouth and cry because he will not be in the administration....BOO HOO Obama doesn't owe this idiot anything. He was part of the race baiting in WVA AND KY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 06/03/2008
- obamagal I'm a Fan of obamagal 50 fans permalink
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Please do not tar us all with the same brush. There are many baby boomers, like myself, who positively abhor the nasty campaign tactics, sense of entitlement, lies, playing race and gender cards, that took place the last 5 months.

Truthfully, and with all due respect, I don't think it much matters what age one is. One is either an ethical, caring individual, or one is more self-serving. That, imo, is the better metric to use.

Someone who fits completely into Hillary's core group - 55, white, female. Obviously, an Obama supporter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 06/03/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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I'm a baby boomer too - he wasn't painting us all with the same brush, only the ones who succumbed to the love of Power -VS- the love of Higher Ideals & Ethics.
The ones who sold out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 06/03/2008
- Fati I'm a Fan of Fati permalink

Absolutely love you Obamagal. You are dead on the mark here. You go Girl! Thanks for straightening us all out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 06/03/2008
- kas70 I'm a Fan of kas70 24 fans permalink
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Ched, extremely well said - bravo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 06/03/2008
- N8Ma I'm a Fan of N8Ma permalink

Absolutely. Without question many of the great and good in the Clinton camp started out true progressives, fighting for justice and equality every step of the way. Things got nasty when it seemed the crowd that ran the Democratic party in the 90s might have to cede it to a new generation. What's that saying about Power corrupts?

I'm grateful for everything the Clintons have done to improve Arkansas, New York, and the United States as a whole. I'm grateful that Harold Ickes fought to broaden representation in the Democratic Party. But what are they doing for the good of the country now? Fighting tooth and nail to hold on to power, refusing to cede it because Obama's not ready, he didn't wait his turn.

When Bill Clinton went on Rush Limbaugh I knew it was all over for them, and I thought of Ezekiel 18:24, which says

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 06/03/2008

Here's another thing about Ickes. He helped develop the Super Delegates in 1980.

You know why this Civil Rights person developed it? Two words.

Jesse Jackson.

That's right. Ickies and co. came up with the idea of the Super Delegates on the off chance that Jesse Jackson would win the delegates and the nomination of the Democratic party, the SD's would overrule it all.

So the Clinton supporters who complain about the SDs, realize, it's another Ickes plan that backfired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 06/03/2008
- bujeeboo I'm a Fan of bujeeboo 6 fans permalink

It's a shame that these people don't hang on to the idealism of their youth. They trade it in exchange for power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 06/03/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 06/03/2008
- pilgrim7 I'm a Fan of pilgrim7 11 fans permalink

Could'a. Should'a. Would'a. Rules are rules. Pre-1972 rules in effect 36 years ago are irrelevant to existing rules governing the 2008 nominating process. Clintons, Ickes, etc., no longer like the rules Ickes himself initiated 36 years ago because those rules do not favor the candidate who today is losing according to existing rules, and they feel somehow entitled to change the rules at whim midway in game without due process.

*On _February 2, 2007_, the Democratic Party published "Call for the 2008 Democratic National Convention",[4] the rules governing the convention. There will be 3,409.5 pledged delegates, those committed to vote for a particular candidate, selected by primary voters and caucus participants. There will be about 823.5 unpledged delegates, those free to vote for any candidate, colloquially known as superdelegates, for a total of about 4,233 delegates, requiring 2,117 votes to constitute a majority of the convention.[5] The superdelegates consist of DNC members, Democratic Congress members and Governors, and other prominent Democrats.[6] The final number of superdelegates will not be known until the convention.[7]

The pledged delegates are allocated among the states according to two main criteria: 1) proportion of votes each state gave the candidate in the last three Presidential elections; and 2) percentage of votes each state has in the Electoral College. Fixed numbers of delegates are allocated for Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Democrats Abroad.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_National_Convention

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 06/03/2008

Point of interest from an article written on Huffington Post recently:
"You-bet-your-ass" Ickes, lost to be head of the DNC to Howard Dean for this election season. Certainly this, in part, has fueled his anger and bombast. Ickes' power and corrosive type of politics is waining big-time -- along with his clients': Senator Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/03/2008
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

Thank you for referencing this.

The unfortunate thing is that some of HRC's supporters are literally unable to face truth.

I posted a detailed and very factual accounting of the MI/FL issues. It was actually very unbiased. It included links to unaltered video and credible news sources (or as credible as one can get.)

I was called a troll and told to "come back when you learn basic facts", and that until I did, everything I said would be considered fiction.

It was surreal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/03/2008
- indc I'm a Fan of indc 20 fans permalink

Each caucus delegate represents at least 10 other voters.... so the types of calculations reported in the article are not exact and may be very unrepresentative. There is a weighting factor for caucuses which is not applied above.

The Obama campaign cannot be faulted for making the correct strategic choices in seeking delegates. If the rules were different, its strategy would have been different and the results reported would likely have been different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 06/03/2008

I see it as ironic actually. It's highly ironic that someone who developed the caucus system got outmaneuvered because of it. The difference between the two campaigns (and why HRC and her people feel it was stolen from her) is that Obama won this by strategy. HRC had a strategy that only went until Super Tuesday and forgot the very system Ickes helped develop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 06/03/2008
- rowzeer I'm a Fan of rowzeer 13 fans permalink

They feel he stole it because they thought she was entitled to it. They felt she had it won, but they underestimated Obama and that's why they feel it was stolen. Because they never imagined anyone else as the candidate. They thought it was in the bag. You snooze you lose

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 06/04/2008

Ickes create a mess ------ and the Clinton campaign wants someone else to CLEAN UP their mess.

The kicker ---- THEY profess to be more professional and electable. Wow!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 06/03/2008
- Verified I'm a Fan of Verified 14 fans permalink

The idea that Obama or any other brown or black or other person in the US owes anything to Ickes seems to me to be the height of arrogance. I'm white and I worked for civil rights and women's rights and children's rights but I don't think any of the people whose rights I fought for owes me anything.

I fought for human decency and justice and to make my country, as Obama says, a more perfect union. The only person who owes me anything is our brown daughter who happens to owe my husband and I a lot of college loans! But seriously, please think about how patronizing is the point of view that Obama should consider his inalienable right to full citizenship as anything but self-evident. If anyone owes anything to Ickes, it is the apathetic white Americans who let him work for justice when they should have been out there doing the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 06/03/2008
- hoodrat I'm a Fan of hoodrat 27 fans permalink
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Oh I don't know ma'am, I think you ( and Ickes, or anyone else that fights for justice), deserve the respect due. Simply BECAUSE it was those like you, that our plight was even heard by MSM, or that we now have "meat" on those inalienable rights. Don't sell yourself any less important than Medger Evers, Rosa Parks, or the last Great Orator that graced our people - MLK. Ickes just had a well organized team - beat him and his preferred candidate, with his own rules. Something that would upset most rulemakers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 06/03/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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You too, deserve respect, for your consciousness that so many of us (regardless of color) have fervently wanted to move past the surface issues & give the more deserved core issues the real "voice".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 06/03/2008
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