Obama's Debt To Harold Ickes

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First Posted: 06- 3-08 02:30 AM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movements in which Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Harold Ickes, was a key player.

When Obama was barely three, Ickes took part in Mississippi Freedom Summer, helping the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party send a primarily black delegation to the 1964 national convention in Atlantic City.

After the Freedom Democratic delegation was denied seating by the virtually all white male Democratic Party establishment, Ickes -- then 24 -- went on to help organize the party's reformist Harold Hughes Commission, the precursor to the McGovern Commission.

The anger against entrenched power of the old-line Democratic Party intensified, and by 1968, young civil rights, women's rights, and anti-war activists were beaten in the streets of Chicago outside the convention hall, and the protests of dissidents were gaveled down by party bosses on the convention floor. The outrage gave birth to the Democratic Party's Commission on Party Structure and Delegate Selection, aka the McGovern Commission.

Writing in the January 1970 issue of Harper's about the '68 convention, McGovern described the "tumultuous floor debate, bloodshed and tear gas in the streets...it also evokes the image of rigged procedures, a political party assembled to reach predetermined decisions. The convention became the shame of the Democratic Party."

Coming out of the turmoil of the sixties, the 1972 McGovern rules, as they came to be known, radically altered the way Democrats pick their presidential nominees, opening up the political process by mandating proportional inclusion of previously excluded constituencies -- African Americans, voters under 30, and women.

All of the reforms adopted then, and modified over the years, have been in play this year, including the expanded role in party proceedings of blacks, women, and the young; the required use of proportional representation; and superdelegates.

One reform stands out particularly in Obama's march to victory: the much wider use of open caucuses as a key component of the nomination process. Caucuses differ from primaries in that participants must spend many hours in a complex rule-ridden bargaining process that determines how a precinct or ward will allocate its support among the presidential candidates.

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Now, some 36 years after the adoption of the McGovern rules, caucuses as a vehicle for the selection of convention delegates have empowered a key Obama constituency: young and relatively well-educated social-cultural liberals -- just the class of political activists that Ickes and the Clintons came out of and made salient.

In the arcane caucus procedures, with turnout ranging from only two to eight percent of the eligible Democratic electorate (compared to voter participation rates in primaries ranging from 20 to 35 percent), smart and strategically savvy party activists make up a disproportionately large share of participants.

"The caucuses made Obama, there is no doubt about it," argues University of Wisconsin political scientist Byron Shafer, the foremost expert on changes since the 1960s in the Democratic nominating process.

"Caucuses were the preferred institution of the reformers. The argument of the reform theorists was not about the gross bulk of participation, but about the character of the participation," Shafer said. In a primary, "you could go and vote, but it was limited: you pull the lever that was it. In a caucus, it wasn't that turnout would be lower, it was the quality of the turnout was higher."

It would be difficult to overestimate the consequences for Obama of Democratic Party reforms promoting caucuses. If the caucus states were eliminated, Obama would not be the one on the verge of declaring victory.

As of June 2, according to RealClearPolitics, Obama had a 157 delegate vote lead over Clinton, 2072 to 1915.

In the 14 states that picked some or all of their delegates through caucus systems this year, Obama won 400 delegates to Clinton's 193, a 207 delegate advantage that more than accounts for his overall delegate lead.

An analysis (pdf) published on TalkLeft found that total Democratic voter participation in the caucus states amounted to 1.1 million people, compared to the 32.4 million voters in Democratic primaries, a ratio of 30 to one. Caucus participants made up 3.2 percent of the total of 33.5 million primary voters and caucus goers combined.

In contrast to the relatively close results in most primary states, Obama won many of the caucus states by huge margins, often substantially exceeding 60 percent. As a consequence, he piled up large numbers of delegates in the relatively low turnout contests.

The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes. Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes.

Charles Stewart III of MIT did a separate analysis of primaries and caucuses with results similar to those of the Talk Left study, finding that in primary states, Clinton won 1,557.5 delegates, 16 more delegates than Obama's 1,521.5. In caucus states, Stewart found, Obama won 366 delegates, or 191 more than Clinton's 175.

In private, a number of Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in failing to recognize the profound impact of the caucuses on the delegate count.

"We just thought we'd win the primaries, and the caucuses would follow along," one key Clinton strategist said. "It's on the top of the list of things we'd like to do over."

Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movemen...
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Thanks for the caucus forum.
I think Obama won in the caucuses because they are where you discuss the issues, trade ideas, and get to know each candidate. Everyone in the world knew Hillary Clinton. But via the caucus format Obama was introduced to people who might otherwise have voted -- for all intents and purposes -- in a vacuum (a primary). When the candidates were fully discussed, Obama was the thoughtful choice.
Each candidate, therefore needed to be well organized with informed surrogates to articulate their candidate's message to the gathered. Obama was/is better organized.

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Ickes may have been a trailblazer as this article indicates, but his performance last Saturday at the Rules and Bylaws Committee was far from stellar, in fact, I found it very bizarre:
Afterall, it was Harold Ickes, as a sitting member of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, in August 2007 who voted "yes" to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates for going out of order and conducting, what even James Roosevelt (the co-chairman) called, a "non-event­." I find this a devastating fact considering Ickes cries for a reversal of Saturday's vote. --He's old politics now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 06/03/2008

You are what you resist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 06/03/2008
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I resist handsome intelligent hunks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 06/03/2008
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Me too, like the plague.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 06/03/2008
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Thanks for that insight into the primary-caucus balance in this year's Democratic primary.

And thanks even more for the reminder of those images of Chicago cops with billy-clubs enforcing the dictates of "the virtually all white male Democratic Party establishm­ent."

"The anger against entrenched power of the old-line Democratic Party intensified, and by 1968, young civil rights, women's rights, and anti-war activists were beaten in the streets of Chicago outside the convention hall, and the protests of dissidents were gaveled down by party bosses on the convention floor."

In the FLIP-FLOP that DEFINES the Democrat Party this past 8 years, even the nominal "outside of power" "opposition" Democrat Party has been.... ALIGNED WITH THE PRO-WAR, TAX-CUTS FOR WEALTHY, gluttonous energy consumption agenda of the radical right Republican Party.

Hillary Clinton is the new face of that Establishment wing of the party. She voted to authorize the Iraq war & unapologetic for her vote; she doubled-down on that vote with her Kyle-Lieberman vote. And to drive her AUTHORITARIAN message home, she voted to criminalize - to throw in prison - those who might burn the flag in protest of that authoritarian, ruthless, disenfranchisement establishment.

Her supporters have DONE NOTHING over past 8 years to right the disenfranchisement of thousands of (often minority) voters in 2000... yet now they are screaming & crying about disenfranchisement (as DNC rules affect FL & MI voters)!!

The above in one sentence? - Hillary Clinton is Joe Lieberman in a skirt....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 06/03/2008

I think that's why you can still find a lot of Black Republicans in the south. I get tired of everyone assuming that all blacks are democrats.­..especial­ly in the south. You can never truly understand the struggles of the black vote...whi­le in the south.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/03/2008

I have to disagree with the notion that Sen. Barack Obama owes Mr. Ickes anything, when it comes to the duty and responsibility of that ALL members of this republic carry, in upholding with integrity, the standards of democracy by which we profess that ALL are created EQUAL and endowed by their creator with the same rights inherent to their human dignity that ALL are entitled to, regardless of their skin color.

It seems that democracy summons Mr. Ickes to reflect on what role ethics plays in upholding the very principles, and spirit of the democratic process, that insures the protection and preservation of the PROCESS remaining - DEMOCRATIC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/03/2008
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After being denied basic fundamental rights for hundreds of year, rights that others enjoyed without persecution, Blacks still owe a debt?

EXCUSE ME......i think i understand the gratitude issue but to say Obama owes Ickes is offensive to both Blacks and Whites. If not, it should be.

Mr.Edsall you probably meant well when you provided this history lesson but the message i took from it is, we have crossed one more hurdle thanks to the good intention and work of "Blacks and Whites" working together to right a wrong. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/03/2008

This well written argument on behalf of Harold's honor and integrity, does not excuse the hypocrisy he so blatantly displayed in his RBC performance -- nor his efforts to further divide the party by threatening to take the RBC's decision to the convention.

It was because of Harold Ickes arguments and vote, that the RBC ruled in November to fully sanction FL and MI ... not partially as the DNC charter recommends, but fully. Again, this was Harold's doing.

Out of respect to voters of FL and MI, both those who cast votes and those who did not -- and in the interest of party unity and victory in November, the RBC voted to overturn the decision Ickes pushed in November, and voted to ensure the delegations would be seated.

For Ickes, then to end the day, playing on the emotions of the Clinton supporters, by rallying them to defect the party, filling the room with chorus rounds of "Mc-Cain, Mc-Cain" was nothing short of treasonous.

For him to continue down this path would only further destroy any honorable legacy you can argue on his behalf, but that choice is only his to make.

For his, and all our sake, I pray, he chooses wisely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/03/2008
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It seems Ickes failed to recognize that Hillary had an advantage w/ more RBC members (13) favoring her - they saw fit to use a Democratic resolution to the problem -
So once again you're got Obama (who doesn't whine) at a disadvantage - it was the decency of the RBC members that led to the decision that made HRC & her camp whine yet again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 06/03/2008

Obama owes Harold Ickes his middle finger stuck way up in the air! Please-gimme a break!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/03/2008

And I second that motion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 06/03/2008
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Copy that1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 06/03/2008

Harold Ickes looks like a child molester.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 06/03/2008
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You are pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 06/03/2008
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How can that be?

He's not a republican

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/03/2008

I would have said alcoholic, but I am sure that all of them have knocked a few back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 06/03/2008
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Really??

Does he look like these child molesters?

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 06/03/2008
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Barack Obama does not owe Harold Icke a damn thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 06/03/2008

Blacks owe nothing to any party. Remember, the south was overwelmingly Democratic during the civil rights struggle. The bottom line is the people achieved civil rights (or at least were working on it) not politicians who were slow to act and then only in their own self interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 06/03/2008

Actually, when LBJ signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 he said that his signature would cost the Demcratic Party the south. He was right, it did. But it was still the right thing to do. Even though the white bigots that still ran the South went on to join the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 06/03/2008
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Isn't it amazing that this came full circle for Ickes.

He began as a dragon slayer - only to adorn himself as a dinosaur, unwilling to relinquish the chalice of power to the next generation of reformers - and - at the same time throwing in with a product of the NY Democratic Machine patronage above principle.

Sure - everyone owes Harold Ickes thanks for his good work then - and everyone who cares to, should offer him their discontent for replacing principle with patronage.

If anyone knew better it was Ickes.

Today we wrote about what we suspect he's up to right now.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 06/03/2008

Personally, I think the more interesting aspects, especially considering that "popular vote" canard being touted by the Clinton campaign (and ignoring that Ickes voted to flat-line the MI and FL primaries as RBC member) really have to do with a couple of things having nothing to do with caucuses.

1. The "popular vote" tally that "put Clinton over the top" came from a couple hundred thousand voters in Puerto Rico that can not vote in the fall.

2. If you subtract the cross-over Republican votes Hillary has received since Texas (most of whom will be voting McCain, as they well knew when they mischief-voted), that "popular win" disappears. Meaning? 5% Texas Republicans gave her a 3% win there. Then there was the 5% in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, West Virginia (and I know I'm forgetting a couple of other five percenters), then the whopping 15-18% in Mississippi.

On that point, if you only subtract the ones who admitted to exit pollsters they were voting McCain in the fall then, all of a sudden, Obama wins both Texas and Indiana. Gone. Poof.

Being from Michigan, I'm not even going to wade into my dark feelings about their statements disenfranchising my voice and those of many, many friends by saying Barack has no support (no votes) here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 06/03/2008

"If anybody knew better it was Ickes." Can't put it any better than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 06/03/2008
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Your Elders keep guding you along thru life thats why it took so long for the Republicans to nearly destory the USA. Your Elders have been fighting them for you. Now it is your turn!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 06/03/2008
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As posted previously -

Why does the Black candidate owe the Dems for enacting rights African Americans should have had all along?

Shouldn't the Dems owe Blacks for consistanly voting them into the white house?
No Democrat has won since '68 without the Black vote.

This post reminds me of the PGA big wigs trying to change the rules after Tiger won his first Masters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 06/03/2008

Thank you.....th­e very idea disturbs me deeply :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 06/03/2008

I was bewildered by the article but you, my friend, you make sense...an­d you are short winded- common sense always is! Great !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 06/03/2008
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This post reminds me of white people quite sincerely declaring their lack of racism, but showing that "subtle" racism still is prevalent in this country - sadly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 06/03/2008
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As in any house foundation, you gotta identify & find the "dry rot" - then you can effectively get rid of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 06/03/2008
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I am so sick of hearing people point fingers at blacks and say, "How could you vote against her after all she's done for your community?!"

The underlying sentiment in that statement - even if the person saying it doesn't *realize* it - is just incredibly insulting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 06/03/2008

I live outside the loop, so could someone please explain what the "all she's done for your community" is exactly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 06/03/2008
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Great post, sepia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 06/03/2008
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And the point of this posting is...that Obama ran a better, smarter campaign than Senator Clinton.
There is one thing to appreciate about caucuses, and that is the ability to take on the pre-ordained candidate backed by the big money (corporate interests) with smaller numbers of smarter people.

Thank you Harold Ickes, and here I thought you were simply a disrespectful loser after your RBC performance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 06/03/2008

Hillary camp played the big states card and lost. OB camp, more organize, better stratagy, played all states by DNC rule and never attempted to move goal post for politcal convience.

'If you want to know what kind of president I will be, just watch and see how I run my campaign.'­, Obama(maybe slightly misquoted, but the gist of the state remain ture.) He hvae ran a most ideal campaign even to hillary's amazement.

Won or loose, let the candidate with the most delegate take the plate and move forward. You may be impressed by what will develope.

Obama 08!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!! Now that's a ticket in history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 06/03/2008

Sen. Obama's campaign may well be the most ideal but it was also the smartest. Check out this article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200806/obama-finance

It is just one of many discussing how the Obama campaign is organized (which the campaign really does not go out of its way to explain because why give away all your secrets).

This article is very good and has a couple of LOL moments. Did you know it is possible to download 12 different Obama ring tones?

Ideal is icing on the cake. Smart is the cake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 06/03/2008
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