Obama's Debt To Harold Ickes

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First Posted: 06- 3-08 02:30 AM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movements in which Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Harold Ickes, was a key player.

When Obama was barely three, Ickes took part in Mississippi Freedom Summer, helping the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party send a primarily black delegation to the 1964 national convention in Atlantic City.

After the Freedom Democratic delegation was denied seating by the virtually all white male Democratic Party establishment, Ickes -- then 24 -- went on to help organize the party's reformist Harold Hughes Commission, the precursor to the McGovern Commission.

The anger against entrenched power of the old-line Democratic Party intensified, and by 1968, young civil rights, women's rights, and anti-war activists were beaten in the streets of Chicago outside the convention hall, and the protests of dissidents were gaveled down by party bosses on the convention floor. The outrage gave birth to the Democratic Party's Commission on Party Structure and Delegate Selection, aka the McGovern Commission.

Writing in the January 1970 issue of Harper's about the '68 convention, McGovern described the "tumultuous floor debate, bloodshed and tear gas in the streets...it also evokes the image of rigged procedures, a political party assembled to reach predetermined decisions. The convention became the shame of the Democratic Party."

Coming out of the turmoil of the sixties, the 1972 McGovern rules, as they came to be known, radically altered the way Democrats pick their presidential nominees, opening up the political process by mandating proportional inclusion of previously excluded constituencies -- African Americans, voters under 30, and women.

All of the reforms adopted then, and modified over the years, have been in play this year, including the expanded role in party proceedings of blacks, women, and the young; the required use of proportional representation; and superdelegates.

One reform stands out particularly in Obama's march to victory: the much wider use of open caucuses as a key component of the nomination process. Caucuses differ from primaries in that participants must spend many hours in a complex rule-ridden bargaining process that determines how a precinct or ward will allocate its support among the presidential candidates.

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Now, some 36 years after the adoption of the McGovern rules, caucuses as a vehicle for the selection of convention delegates have empowered a key Obama constituency: young and relatively well-educated social-cultural liberals -- just the class of political activists that Ickes and the Clintons came out of and made salient.

In the arcane caucus procedures, with turnout ranging from only two to eight percent of the eligible Democratic electorate (compared to voter participation rates in primaries ranging from 20 to 35 percent), smart and strategically savvy party activists make up a disproportionately large share of participants.

"The caucuses made Obama, there is no doubt about it," argues University of Wisconsin political scientist Byron Shafer, the foremost expert on changes since the 1960s in the Democratic nominating process.

"Caucuses were the preferred institution of the reformers. The argument of the reform theorists was not about the gross bulk of participation, but about the character of the participation," Shafer said. In a primary, "you could go and vote, but it was limited: you pull the lever that was it. In a caucus, it wasn't that turnout would be lower, it was the quality of the turnout was higher."

It would be difficult to overestimate the consequences for Obama of Democratic Party reforms promoting caucuses. If the caucus states were eliminated, Obama would not be the one on the verge of declaring victory.

As of June 2, according to RealClearPolitics, Obama had a 157 delegate vote lead over Clinton, 2072 to 1915.

In the 14 states that picked some or all of their delegates through caucus systems this year, Obama won 400 delegates to Clinton's 193, a 207 delegate advantage that more than accounts for his overall delegate lead.

An analysis (pdf) published on TalkLeft found that total Democratic voter participation in the caucus states amounted to 1.1 million people, compared to the 32.4 million voters in Democratic primaries, a ratio of 30 to one. Caucus participants made up 3.2 percent of the total of 33.5 million primary voters and caucus goers combined.

In contrast to the relatively close results in most primary states, Obama won many of the caucus states by huge margins, often substantially exceeding 60 percent. As a consequence, he piled up large numbers of delegates in the relatively low turnout contests.

The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes. Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes.

Charles Stewart III of MIT did a separate analysis of primaries and caucuses with results similar to those of the Talk Left study, finding that in primary states, Clinton won 1,557.5 delegates, 16 more delegates than Obama's 1,521.5. In caucus states, Stewart found, Obama won 366 delegates, or 191 more than Clinton's 175.

In private, a number of Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in failing to recognize the profound impact of the caucuses on the delegate count.

"We just thought we'd win the primaries, and the caucuses would follow along," one key Clinton strategist said. "It's on the top of the list of things we'd like to do over."

Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movemen...
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But aren't these the same caucuses that got Bill Clinton as a nominee for two presidential elections.


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Had enough of these ' What If's' and the 'woulda shoulda coulda's'


It's not like the HRC campaign didn't know that a caucus was going to occur in a state until the day of the election. Obama successfully played the game that existed. Even when he loss a 'popular vote' he knew how to maximize the number of delegates he received in a state by concentrating on the districts that had an odd-number of pledged delegates so if he Won it he would get an extra delegate. It's all about the delegates not the popular vote. BHO ran a brilliant campaign and if the game was differenct he would have run a Different brilliant campaign. Period !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 06/03/2008
- Bobzmcishl I'm a Fan of Bobzmcishl 42 fans permalink
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Woulda, coulda, shudda - Clinton's strategists had the same information as the Obama team, yet did nothing to counteract the caucus strategy of Obama. Nor could they raise the small denominations that Obama could. Nor did Clinton use the internet the way Obama did. Clinton was outfoxed at every step of this process by a far superior Obama team. That's the kind of organization it will take to beat the Republican's in November. Obama is the right candidate for the Democrats. They will cream McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 06/03/2008

This is an interesting article and Sen. Obama is certainly not the only one who has benefited from Mr. Ickes's past contributions. Unfortunately, as Sen. Obama suggested in Denver on Jan 30/08, see

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/01/obama-to-voters.html

the Clinton campaign appears to prefer building a bridge back to the 20th century rather than look to the future.

See also the June issue of the Atlantic about Sen. Obama's Silicon Valley connections. It really isn''t just about the money; it's understanding where things are going and grabbing on. Hindsight v. foresight. Sen. Obama wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 06/03/2008
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 43 fans permalink

In Grant Park, in Chicago, during the '68 convention we knew it was time for "entrenched power" to step aside for "young blood" and it is that time again. Mr. Ickes has been corrupted by the same politics he once despised and he and his rhetoric have damaged the Party and the chances for real progressive change in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 06/03/2008
- jacqmac I'm a Fan of jacqmac 15 fans permalink

Yep! We sure did! And you know what else? I'm waiting for whatever the planet is that sent Barack Obama to come and ask for him back! We don't DESERVE someone like him! I mean why should we want someone in the White House who is well nigh incorruptible (he has publically and privately REFUSED PAC and special interest money), he interrupted a speech in SD for a minute or so while someone who had fainted in the crowd to get help and even asked for assistance FOR that person from the podium and THEN admonished the people standing in the sun to 'take care of themselves', I don't think he really believes that going to church makes one a Christian anymore than going to a garage makes one a car, he worked tirelessly in the South End of Chicago as a community organizer even while saddled with huge educational debt, he is RATIONAL and COMPASSIONATE to a FAULT. He certainly CAN NOT be from this planet. However, while we are waiting for his home planet to request that he be returned, it will be GREAT to call him Mr. PRESIDENT!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 06/03/2008
- lorla I'm a Fan of lorla 12 fans permalink

If you were in Chicago in 68, I admire you for the protest and the force it had on ending the war and changing politics.
I bet you long to see something similar today.
Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/03/2008

The only problem with being an alumni of the '68 convention is that we have lived to see our hopes destroyed and any progress forgotten.

We didn't really end that war, it took until 1975 to completely exit that stage, and then we watched Dick Nixon trash the Presidency and had to live through a Bush rerun.

So far, the only thing missing this time has been young people willing to say enough. I'm hoping this is their peaceful revolution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 06/03/2008
- hawkseye I'm a Fan of hawkseye 3 fans permalink

Nixon wond the election with promises of a secret plan to end the war. He didn't, and another 25,000 young men and women died in Vietnam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/03/2008
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Yet another boomer who had the opportunity to continue the "good" fight, but sold his soul to big buisness. They did such wonderful things in the 60's and 70's...and some continue that work and philosophy, but other's...for whatever reasons, decided that money, greed, and power were all too seductive and sold this nation out. IRAQ and NAFTA will stand as their monument of shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 06/03/2008
- souris I'm a Fan of souris 11 fans permalink
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.................well, maybe, but watching a peevish Harold Ickes holding his breath, and stomping his feet like a four-year-old brat last Saturday [at the Rules meeting] over 4 delegate votes, reduced him to nothing more than a Billary [political] hack......................"we're going to take it to the convention....whaaaa...........whaaaa.........whaaaaa"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 06/03/2008

For Harold Ickes to have been such a "formidable" force in MS history in regards to the democratic party, we have NEVER heard of him. He was NEVER taught in ANY of the MS history courses that we took--in junior high, high school or college. Must not have been that major.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 06/03/2008
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

Well, far be it from me to defend Ickies, but that could easily be a failing of the education system. I'm personally morally offended by the vast amount of truly important information that was never taught to me at any level of schooling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 06/03/2008

As a historian and now a physician, there are things that are deemed important. If Ickes were a central figure in the shaping of the DNC in MS, he would have been mentioned. I can assure you that it has nothing to do with the "failing of the education system." He was nowhere near a Fannie Lou Hamer, James Meredith, James Chaney, Andrew Goldman, Michael Schwerner, etc. That’s why he was NEVER mentioned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/03/2008
- bosd I'm a Fan of bosd permalink

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It is very interesting to see how the corporate media wants yo to believe their news while the people who approve these textbooks want yo to believe their history. On a side note, u think the media is bad? Look at what they are teaching the kids in HS these days. Look at how they approve these textbooks. I do not know what's worse. Being lied to as an adult or being lied to or have the real truth held from you as a child while in school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 06/03/2008
- bosd I'm a Fan of bosd permalink

Things have changed now in what they teach in school pre-college. When I was in HS, and I grew up in a very liberal county yet we were never taught about Malcolm X. I saw his name mentioned one, maybe 2 times in my textbook but it of branding him a fiery revolutionary. The textbooks would have you believe he was inconsequential because he was hardly mentioned in the textbooks.

Just like with the corporate media today, textbooks do not teach the whole truth. Or they leave certain things out. Take Woodrow Wilson for example. Until college, I thought he was this great president, this great leader. All I ever read about him was about WWI and the League of Nations. OK, that's great and all, but do history textbooks teach that Wilson and his wife were big time racists? Wilson brought segregation to the federal level. So all these states, who had segregational practices, had to do was point to the federal government. Also, you know, maybe the Vietnam War would never have happened if Wilson had not refused to talk to Ho Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh made overtures to Wilson for help in setting up the fledgling democratic government. He was seeking advice from Wilson and asking for US aid. Wilson gave Ho Chi Minh the cold shoulder, and thus he was forced to turn to other powers that were sympathic to his cause. Imagine if the US had given aid to Vietnam back then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 06/03/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

HUH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 06/03/2008
- drzoon I'm a Fan of drzoon 15 fans permalink

AND the Clean Air Act... AND the FDIC.... AND The ADA...

This country ... the whole country... benefited from the Civil Rights Act... just like Mr Obama.. and he just like us

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 06/03/2008
- majorteddy I'm a Fan of majorteddy 7 fans permalink

What Harold Ickes did at the time he did to satisfy his own conscience. And that is good. That is what he should have done. But to say that Obama owes him anything is false. Obama has won the majority of delegates fair and square. Obama owes his supporters. harold Ickes has not been a supporter. He has lied and spun halftruths throughout the campaign. He and many other Clinton people have tried to delegitimize Obama's wins in the eyes of the nation. They are not honest with themselves and the country. Obama owes them nothing for something they may have done a long time ago, possibly for higher motives, but ind the end because it was the right thing to do. Should we be commended for doing what is that which people of conscience should do?Maybe. But he has given Obama nothing, in fact cancelled out what good he once did. Obama owes him nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 06/03/2008
- lbrillante I'm a Fan of lbrillante 7 fans permalink

Excuse me but the part that is sadly mistaken here is that Hillary is going to concede. She is planning to declare victory tonight. She is planning to state that she has won' by her math 'the popular vote.

From my perspective the popular vote cannot be used as a measurement in this nomination process because the Florida and MIchigan elections were tainted by the ruling of the DNC, the bod of authority, that they would not count. This led to very real 'voter supression' and 'supression voter choice'. This and the fact that counting caucuses via popular vote is not possible. make an argument for the popular vote by either candidate just not 'real'.
The votes are translated into delegates. I say that Senator Obama needs to get his delegate number much higher and the superdelegates need to be emphatic with Senator Clinton that they will NOT switch their votes and then MAYBE 'if we are lucky' she will get out of the race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 06/03/2008
- janex I'm a Fan of janex 4 fans permalink

This shows that Hillary Clinton is underprepared to lead the nation.

She did not bother to read and understand the rules because she did not think they would apply to her. This nomination was her to lose, and she did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/03/2008
- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 23 fans permalink

This is an intellectually sloppy analysis. In all the caucus states where Obama dominated, Clinton decided not to contest the race because of her "big states" theory.

In the two states where Obama decided not to compete (KY, WV) Clinton enjoyed the same lopsided results as Obama. The real key to Obama running up the delegate score in caucus states was that Clinton let him do it without any opposition - it is not the product of any particular feature of the caucus process vs. the primary election.

There is nothing to support the assertion that if those contests had been primary elections that the results would have been significantly different. In order to make that connection, you really have to compare apples and oranges - and then discount the number of workers bringing in the harvest as being significant to the end yield.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 06/03/2008
- Bobbygoode I'm a Fan of Bobbygoode 47 fans permalink
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WELL, CLINTON OWES A DEBT TO LIMBAUGH Well, a little. One of Sen. Clinton's numerous recent last gasps as to why she's staying in and deserves the nomination is because of the bogus "popular vote" argument. How much of the vaunted 17 million vote count - that specious figure being part of her pathos - is augmented with "operation chaos" Republican voters in assorted open primaries, dispatched by Rush Limbaugh and others?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 06/03/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Thanks for the review of who Ickes once was. It is clear that with the Clintons, he lost his values and his way, becoming a stratigest for their brand of instiutionalized, dirtry, dishonest, corporate serving politics.

To suggest Obama owes anything the Harold Ickes is ridiculous. Spin spin spin. All of Cinton's mean spirited attack dogs are running for cover.

Ickes has done is best to damage and destroy Obama simply because he had the audacity to challenge the Clintons. If Ickes had his way, the Bush-Clinton era of poltics as war would continue, serving the corporate-profiteering special interests that are Ickes meal ticket.

In the balance of history, Ickes as done as much harm as good. His recent dispicable behave is what most will remember about him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/03/2008
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