Obama's Debt To Harold Ickes

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First Posted: 06- 3-08 02:30 AM   |   Updated: 06-10-08 05:12 AM

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Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movements in which Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Harold Ickes, was a key player.

When Obama was barely three, Ickes took part in Mississippi Freedom Summer, helping the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party send a primarily black delegation to the 1964 national convention in Atlantic City.

After the Freedom Democratic delegation was denied seating by the virtually all white male Democratic Party establishment, Ickes -- then 24 -- went on to help organize the party's reformist Harold Hughes Commission, the precursor to the McGovern Commission.

The anger against entrenched power of the old-line Democratic Party intensified, and by 1968, young civil rights, women's rights, and anti-war activists were beaten in the streets of Chicago outside the convention hall, and the protests of dissidents were gaveled down by party bosses on the convention floor. The outrage gave birth to the Democratic Party's Commission on Party Structure and Delegate Selection, aka the McGovern Commission.

Writing in the January 1970 issue of Harper's about the '68 convention, McGovern described the "tumultuous floor debate, bloodshed and tear gas in the streets...it also evokes the image of rigged procedures, a political party assembled to reach predetermined decisions. The convention became the shame of the Democratic Party."

Coming out of the turmoil of the sixties, the 1972 McGovern rules, as they came to be known, radically altered the way Democrats pick their presidential nominees, opening up the political process by mandating proportional inclusion of previously excluded constituencies -- African Americans, voters under 30, and women.

All of the reforms adopted then, and modified over the years, have been in play this year, including the expanded role in party proceedings of blacks, women, and the young; the required use of proportional representation; and superdelegates.

One reform stands out particularly in Obama's march to victory: the much wider use of open caucuses as a key component of the nomination process. Caucuses differ from primaries in that participants must spend many hours in a complex rule-ridden bargaining process that determines how a precinct or ward will allocate its support among the presidential candidates.

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Now, some 36 years after the adoption of the McGovern rules, caucuses as a vehicle for the selection of convention delegates have empowered a key Obama constituency: young and relatively well-educated social-cultural liberals -- just the class of political activists that Ickes and the Clintons came out of and made salient.

In the arcane caucus procedures, with turnout ranging from only two to eight percent of the eligible Democratic electorate (compared to voter participation rates in primaries ranging from 20 to 35 percent), smart and strategically savvy party activists make up a disproportionately large share of participants.

"The caucuses made Obama, there is no doubt about it," argues University of Wisconsin political scientist Byron Shafer, the foremost expert on changes since the 1960s in the Democratic nominating process.

"Caucuses were the preferred institution of the reformers. The argument of the reform theorists was not about the gross bulk of participation, but about the character of the participation," Shafer said. In a primary, "you could go and vote, but it was limited: you pull the lever that was it. In a caucus, it wasn't that turnout would be lower, it was the quality of the turnout was higher."

It would be difficult to overestimate the consequences for Obama of Democratic Party reforms promoting caucuses. If the caucus states were eliminated, Obama would not be the one on the verge of declaring victory.

As of June 2, according to RealClearPolitics, Obama had a 157 delegate vote lead over Clinton, 2072 to 1915.

In the 14 states that picked some or all of their delegates through caucus systems this year, Obama won 400 delegates to Clinton's 193, a 207 delegate advantage that more than accounts for his overall delegate lead.

An analysis (pdf) published on TalkLeft found that total Democratic voter participation in the caucus states amounted to 1.1 million people, compared to the 32.4 million voters in Democratic primaries, a ratio of 30 to one. Caucus participants made up 3.2 percent of the total of 33.5 million primary voters and caucus goers combined.

In contrast to the relatively close results in most primary states, Obama won many of the caucus states by huge margins, often substantially exceeding 60 percent. As a consequence, he piled up large numbers of delegates in the relatively low turnout contests.

The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes. Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes.

Charles Stewart III of MIT did a separate analysis of primaries and caucuses with results similar to those of the Talk Left study, finding that in primary states, Clinton won 1,557.5 delegates, 16 more delegates than Obama's 1,521.5. In caucus states, Stewart found, Obama won 366 delegates, or 191 more than Clinton's 175.

In private, a number of Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in failing to recognize the profound impact of the caucuses on the delegate count.

"We just thought we'd win the primaries, and the caucuses would follow along," one key Clinton strategist said. "It's on the top of the list of things we'd like to do over."

Barack Obama stands on the brink of capturing the presidential nomination in large part because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movemen...
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- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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Edsall, you're not only a tool; you're a SHAMELESS tool.

Harold Ickes will go down in history as a spliced clone of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater, Democratic style.

The real question that journalists need to tackle is how does someone who ALLEGEDLY has believed in the great ideals of the Democratic policy in history throw in with sociopaths who actually don't?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 06/03/2008

Harold, is a perfect example why prescriptions should NOT be filled over the phone. If Hillary, Bill and Terry, don't remind you that pretence is a dangerous by-product of drug abuse, then nothing will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 06/03/2008
- HerbTee I'm a Fan of HerbTee 94 fans permalink
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What bothers me in this article is not about Harold Ickes. What bothers me is African Americans are too often placed in positions of being “thankful” or “beholding” for our own Constitutional and civil rights and we collectively owe one individual or an institutional body alone for those rights. This article sounds as if Blacks owe the DNC for exercising rights we already had, but couldn’t enjoy. Obama personally owes nothing to Ickes or the DNC for the Constitutional and civil rights he already had on paper, but others had to fight and die for before he could claim those rights. If we lived in a “perfect” country, there would have been no slavery and we all would’ve started and grew together on equal footing. But that’s not the case and Blacks are still struggling for equal footing.

Besides, where were Ickes and the DNC on “Bloody Sunday” at the Pettus Bridge in Selma, AL? Where were Ickes and the DNC during the lunch counter sit-ins, the freedom rides to AL and MS where the murders of Chaney, Goodman, Schwerner and Mrs. Lizzuo took place? Where were Ickes and the DNC during Bull Connor’s police dog and fire hose attacks on Blacks in Birmingham?

Well, you folks get the picture. Blacks already had those rights but were prevented from claiming and benefiting from them. So why should Obama now be thankful to Ickes or the DNC for rights he already had to run for office with any party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 06/03/2008
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This is really shocking:

"Clinton strategists now acknowledge that they made a disastrous, if not fatal, mistake in failing to recognize the profound impact of the caucuses on the delegate count."

Did Clinton have no one around her with basic math skills? Anyone with a grade school education ought to be able to master simply addition. I shudder to think what would have become of the American economy if these people had seized the reins of power. They'd probably have driven the US into a depression and handed the nation to the Republicans for a generation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 06/03/2008
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

It wasn't math skills, per se. It was over-confidence.

She expected the primaries to give her such an insurmountable lead that the caucus results wouldn't matter.

I don't know about you, but this election season has really driven home (for me, at least) the lesson that one should *never* ever EVER eeeeeeeeeever underestimate the competition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 06/03/2008
- ZsaZsa I'm a Fan of ZsaZsa 41 fans permalink

I agree. The failure to compete in caucus states was probably the biggest mistake of all the mistakes the Clinton campaign made. Not only is the first state on the schedule a caucus state, but the big wins Obama got in the Super Tuesday caucus states kept him in it, despite losing CA, NY, NJ, MA, AZ, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 06/03/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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She forgot what was (later) to become her main message : Every vote counts. Caucus too.
See, early on, she didn't care too much about that.
She just wanted her fame & her name to outweigh actually having to "plan & work" for an honest vote.
Obama didn't have that advantage, fame or name (in fact he had a "funny" name) -
The consistency of his character & ethics won out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 06/03/2008
- bxr I'm a Fan of bxr permalink

Very well researched and written.
As one who 'was there' for many events described, this article is a well-grounded must read to get a true sense of how today got here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 06/03/2008
- Keith52 I'm a Fan of Keith52 39 fans permalink
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"...because of Democratic Party reforms initiated by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s -- movements in which Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Harold Ickes, was a key player.'

And he's just as happy to throw it all in the garbage if it doesn't suit his personal agenda. What a jerk. Tell him to go work for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 06/03/2008
- anthonylee I'm a Fan of anthonylee 4 fans permalink
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So do you also reject the concept that the Ickles of today has become the very "Old Line Power Brokers of the DNC" that he despised and moved to disenfranchise back in '68?

. . . . . I smell a "hypocrite" in the likes of Ickles, his actions in support of Hillary and recent arguments surrounding seating the Fl & MI Delegations attempted to negate everything he supposedly stood for and worked to achieve.

Which Ickles should be our guide the young and inspired Ickles of '68 (who believed in equal treatment for all - according to established rules) or the more evolved/mature Ickles of today (who attempted to justify no consequence or punitive action be taken for breaking said rules established to provide fairness)? The latter is a slippery slope into Anarchism, which is far from the form of government to which the DNC purportedly embraces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 06/03/2008
- AgathaX I'm a Fan of AgathaX 13 fans permalink
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I agree that the caucuses worked as they were designed to work. However, I get tired of the argument that Obama would not have won if only the rules had been something other than what they are. Obama's entire decision to run was made based on the rules as they exist. He assessed it, developed a plan for it based on his own capabilities and then decided to run. If the system had been different he may have decided that this was not his year. If the system had been different he may have had a different strategy. This is not to say that he would have been successful under every scenario, but imposing different rules after the person has played their game and assuming they would have played it the same way under the different rules is just nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 06/03/2008

The analysis here is kind of poor. There are no "votes" in a caucus so comparing "vote" totals for primaries and caucuses reveals a serious flaw in the methodology of the comparisons. This is also what's wrong with Hillary Clinton's focus on the "popular vote" in a primary system which, first, elects delegates from every state rather than candidates, and second, uses caucuses to select delegates in several states.

The analysis leaves out several important factors. Maybe Barack Obama is more popular in the caucus states due to other factors than the simple fact that they have caucuses. Barack Obama won in both Washington, a caucus state, and Oregon, an all mail-in primary state.

Maybe caucuses more accurately reflect the will of the Democratic Party members in the states where they are held. It would certainly be possible for a Republican to participate in a caucus, but doing so requires considerably more gumption than merely checking a box on a primary form.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 06/03/2008
- StaggerLee I'm a Fan of StaggerLee 4 fans permalink
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I'm a Obama supporter, I voted for him. After reading this a question has come to mind, would Iowa have gone to Obama had it not been a caucus state? I think he might very well have lost Iowa had it been a primary state. If he loses Iowa the whole race changes. African Americans said after Iowa that they felt a black man actually could win having won in a mostly white state. The press, for better or worse, were star struck after he pulled that one off.
I'm glad he won, he will be better for the country than Hillary, however I feel it will be an uphill battle and the Obama supporters must know that the job is only fractionally complete, the real battle begins with the forces of evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 06/03/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

the polls are showing that obama would take iowa now. but you're right - the struggles are over and now it's war. but this is one war that is worth fighting for - the soul of America. It has more to do with John McCain and George Bush than Obama. I love this country and I want my country back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 06/03/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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After everybody gets over the "Drama" that this has been, it'll be a choice between McCain & Obama.
It'll just take a bit of relaxation this Summer. Hillary's folks will come to feel the calmness & stability that Obama displays in running for Office, in contrast to the total Drama that Hillary was, week after week.

The choice will be so radical, any true Democrat who doesn't vote for Obama will be - well ....a fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 06/03/2008
- rowzeer I'm a Fan of rowzeer 13 fans permalink

Exactly so the question is: Is HRC going to be on the side of good or the side of evil? Will she not support Obama hoping for his loss and another chance in 2012? or will she support him in a sincere fashion?

If she takes it all the way to the convention ruining Obama's chances of winning against McCain, she must realize she'd also be ruining an chance of her running in the future. If McCain can run at 109, HRC can do it in 8 years, she not what alot of people think of as old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 06/04/2008
- DebofMD I'm a Fan of DebofMD 16 fans permalink
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And whatever happened to Hillary releasing her 2007 tax returns?? And what happened with Obama's passport breach? Funny how things are being overlooked.

And Harold Ickes doesn't impress me. I judge based on recent actions. And his have been horrid. Obama doesn't owe him anything. That's ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 06/03/2008
- jazkiljok I'm a Fan of jazkiljok 3 fans permalink

When you're young and an outsider, you are an idealist who seeks inclusiveness and fairness. When you're old and entrenched you prefer to use the mechanisms of power to keep the idealists out. In the end Ickes will feel good about this one coming back to bite him... it is what he originally worked for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 06/03/2008

This is utter RUBBISH! Picking a point in the past and making it fact doesn't change my point of view in any instance. If we back then would have practiced what we preached ... all men and women for that matter are created equal Ickes would never have found himself in a position to fend for the rights of former slaves, also women today would not find it so astonishing watching Hillary run for president. We have so much to be better at and this race basically showed us the way. The country again is split this time not Bush/Gore style but Race/Gender voting and that is the shocking reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/03/2008

...and HRC is fanning the gender (and some race) flames while Obama is trying to put them out... i'm so disappointed in the Clinton's...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 06/03/2008
- aceholiday I'm a Fan of aceholiday 4 fans permalink

oh yeah, thanks to the white man for doing everything. mlk, malcolm x, etc. were just pony players

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 06/03/2008
- DebofMD I'm a Fan of DebofMD 16 fans permalink
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exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 06/03/2008

Thanks for the reminder of Ickes' brave and honorable background. One might mention, too, that he suffered serious physical injury that Mississippi Freedom Summer, and that his father was FDR's Sec. of the Interior and implemented much of the New Deal.

I think you really overstate your main point, though, about Obama's advantage in the caucus states, though, when you write, "If the caucus states were eliminated, Obama would not be the one on the verge of declaring victory."

If there were only primaries--and there's a good case that there should be, since caucuses effectively exclude people who have less time off from jobs--then Obama's campaign would surely have adjusted their strategy accordingly.

So, we don't really know what the effect of the race would have been do we?

Nor do we know just how badly served Clinton was Mark "What's this 'proportional' business?" Penn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 06/03/2008

Thank Master Ickes fo' he let da black man have a piece o' da pie.

What a bunch of BS. I judge Ickes by his words recently. If Ickes could go back in time and retract every positive thing he had done for race relations, I think he would. That's sad.

Now maybe the Ickes and the Clintons should work on creating Super-dooper delegates for 2012 to make sure that this never happens again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 06/03/2008
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

I just spat my iced latte all over the monitor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 06/03/2008

I flung my frappucino.

Know what's funny? Hillary's team doesn't dare call Obama "uppity," that old code word for blacks who think they have some power and are moving up. Oh, no. They say "elitist!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 06/03/2008
- walsenberg I'm a Fan of walsenberg 16 fans permalink

that was funny... what a visual,but "iced", brrrr...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 06/03/2008

I'm sure Ickes was sincere back then when he did all this good stuff. How he is today just shows that he has learned how to be purchased. Or at the very least, rented.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 06/03/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

Thanks for the informative piece - but what it leaves out is a lot. Harold Ickes in Mississippi must have been a man with vastly different values that the man who spoke on Saturday - on a day and at a time when my our country desperately needed unity. Instead of taking an honorable stance, he threatened to carry his ruthless tactics on to yet another committee. instead of thinking about what is best for this country and our children, he myopically positioned for one political candidate. Whatever he did in the past is overshadowed by what he did and what he said in this campaign season.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 06/03/2008

Isn't it sad when someone becomes the exact thing they were once fighting against?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 06/03/2008
- Hare I'm a Fan of Hare 30 fans permalink
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Sad yes, but it is a choice. I find myself in a position I used to disdain when I was young. It does not mean I am this person, I don't let it change my ethics and moral behavior, and I refuse to become (like) my worst enemy. I use it to help those I could not help before I got here. Icky man just got forgetful, lazy and maybe got tired of fighting, sometimes I do get a little tired myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 06/03/2008
- lincheryl I'm a Fan of lincheryl 6 fans permalink

Reminds me of one of my favorite songs by U2--Peace on Earth. One of the lines says "you become the monster so the monster will not take you." Apparently, it happens to a lot of people, including Ickes. I have a feeling that it will not happen to Obama. When he and Michelle were on her show when he was a Senator and not running for President, she asked him how he was going to keep his integrity and optimism. He pointed at Michelle and said "this lady will pull me back into place whenever I even start to think I have special privileges, etc." She asks him just who he thinks he is. From the sound of this daughters, as they get older, I think they will also. It's good to know he has someone to be a touchstone to reality close by, especially a loving one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 06/03/2008
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