Hillary Clinton Running For The Vice Presidency

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First Posted: 06- 5-08 08:18 AM   |   Updated: 06-13-08 05:12 AM

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Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position.

Both personally and through intermediaries, in an exceptionally direct appeal for a losing candidate, Clinton has openly signaled her interest in the number two spot - a post once said to be worth less than "a bucket of warm piss."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Clinton supporter and Black Entertainment Television network founder Robert Johnson said Clinton has authorized him and others to persuade Barack Obama to pick her.

"She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November," Johnson told the Post.

Hillary's approach violates the protocol of avoiding overt appeals normally associated with the vice presidential selection process. Asked how to conduct such a campaign, Jim Jordan, who served as John Kerry's campaign manager, responded "very, very carefully."

Traditionally, those seeking to be chosen by their party's nominee have tried to used more elliptical, methods of signaling their readiness to serve their country.

In 2004, for example, Gen. Wesley K. Clark, immediately upon ending his own bid for the presidency, endorsed John Kerry, telling Kerry's aides that the Massachusetts Senator was "my pick'' early on -- in a message whose meaning everyone understood.

Along similar lines that same year, Don Imus asked John Edwards ''You know, and I know, and everybody knows, you would be willing to take this in a heartbeat, so at what point would you be willing to say that?'' Edwards replied, ''I'm not going to say that on your show.''

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In one of the more bizarre events in the history of vice presidential selection, Mike Gravel, who ran for president this year, nominated himself for vice president at the 1972 Democratic Convention on the ticket with George S. McGovern, losing to Thomas Eagleton, McGovern's choice, 1741.81 to 225.38.

Republican lawyer Ben Ginsberg was dismissive of the Clinton-generated boomlet for herself. "It's such an individual decision by the presidential candidate that it takes a Hillary to do it."

Ron Kaufman, a top aide to former President George H. W. Bush -- who served as Ronald Reagan's vice president for two terms -- said there is one guiding rule that anyone interested in the post should follow: "If you drool, you lose."

Former congressman Jack Kemp in 1980 and 1988 campaigned hard and got nothing. "My old boss [George H.W. Bush] did not worry about it and did whatever the Reagan folks asked him to do, and it all worked out," noted Kaufman. "Gerry Ford's folks, in '80 put on a big campaign for Ford to be 'co-President.' That backfired."

In the more distant past, there were rare occasions when vice presidents were picked in open competition for delegate support at the national conventions.

Former Democratic Party and South Carolina Democratic chairman Don Fowler, who has an encyclopedic memory, noted two cases:

"In 1944, FDR did not want incumbent vice president Henry Wallace to be on the ballot. He left the field open; there was sort of a campaign between Harry Truman and Jimmy Byrnes of South Carolina. Truman won. In 1956, Adlai Stevenson threw open to the convention the selection of the VP. Senator Jack Kennedy ran against C. Estes Kefauver of Tennessee. Kefauver won."

Although it is certainly unusual for a candidate to begin publicly running for vice president before withdrawing from the presidential contest, this may be the moment when Clinton has the most leverage, presenting herself as the one person who could significantly heal the divisions now running deep in the party.

White women, especially older white women, are one of Obama's problematic constituencies and Clinton has done very well among them.

A survey conducted at the end of May by the Pew Research Center on the People and the Press found:

"Hillary Clinton continues to garner the majority of support among some segments of the Democratic base. In particular, 57 percent of white women favor Clinton as the party's nominee, while just 38 percent favor Obama....

"Obama's diminished popularity and support among white women may in part be an indication of a growing backlash against him among Clinton's women supporters. The survey finds that as many 39 percent of Clinton's female supporters believe that her gender has hurt her candidacy. In turn, favorable opinions of Obama have tumbled among women who support Clinton - from 58 percent in March to 43 percent currently."

These findings suggest that Clinton may right now be in the best position she ever will be to make the case that adding her to the ticket offers an opportunity to bring these Democratic voters back to the fold.

As speculation about Clinton's interest in the vice presidency spread, her campaign issued a statement designed to quiet the controversy:

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her. The choice here is Senator Obama's and his alone."


Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position. Both pers...
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- shallyv I'm a Fan of shallyv 2 fans permalink

john edwards ought to be picked as v-p as he would be the best choice for the next democratic presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 06/07/2008
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Just say NO to HRC for veep.
Obama & Webb in 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 06/07/2008

At her Baruch College event in NYC just a few days ago, Hillary Clinton added her name to a Major League Baseball that was inscribed by the famous New York Yankees catcher Yogi Berra with the quote: “It ain’t over till it’s over.” Bill Clinton also signed his name to the ball. A photo of it can be seen on ebay. This Yogi Berra quote summarizes the essence of the Clintons’ drive to win and their spirited campaign style. Don’t count them out from politics..­.just yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 06/07/2008
- HGS111 I'm a Fan of HGS111 2 fans permalink

Whenever I think about the argument by Hillary that she is the stronger candidate I'm reminded of a bumper sticker from way back in the 60's I guess. I had one on my old VW. It read " I may be slow but I'm ahead of you "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 06/07/2008
- kira181 I'm a Fan of kira181 3 fans permalink

So -- her official statement is trumped by Robert Johnson's statement? Automatically?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 06/07/2008
- AnnieinOR I'm a Fan of AnnieinOR 24 fans permalink

Obama supporters are not the only ones to point out why Hillary would not be a great veep

WALL STREET JOURNAL:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121269958227749853.html?mod=todays_columnists

RECOIL ELECTION

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 06/07/2008
- emory I'm a Fan of emory 3 fans permalink

5 years ago who would have thought that woman have come so far in being equal to men that they would strap a bomb to themselves in the middle east, or been arrested not once but a half dozen times for child molestation as school teachers. Or run a national presidential election campaign like Karl Rove.

It reminds me of a bumper sticker from the 80's that said

"YES WOMAN BELONG IN THE HOUSE,
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTITIVES AND
THE WHITE HOUSE"

The problem is that in the quest for equal rights some women didn't learn the most important lesson
They could from men, as opposed to how to be powerful like a man, but how to not make the same mistakes that men are blamed for. Control!!!!!!!
So, here the lesson is:

WHOEVER SEEKS POWER SHOULDN'T HAVE IT!!! ALSO WHOEVER SEEKS TO BE IN CONTROL OF OTHERS HAS NO SELF CONTROL.

Try to not forget what women are credited with community cooperation and compassion
Don’t be in such a hurry to be men its not all its cracked up to be, take it from one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 06/07/2008

#1 Hillary is not in step with Obama's views on Iraq or NAFTA.

#2 Hillary carries a lot of baggage with her, er make that Billage.

#3 Selecting John Edwards or Bill Richardson for VP makes more sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/06/2008

I agree with you USApatriot, Hillary should not be Obama's VP for very sound reasons no matter what the Hillary bias press corps is serving us in the media. First, Obama need to do what every president has done, that is, put together a cabinet with people whom you can trust, people who will be loyal and supportive, not one who might stab you in the back. Her bitterness against Obama runs too deep. When Obama became the nominee of his party everyone, including Bush, came forward and congradulated him, but not Hillary. She has an ax to grind and would love to grind it as VP, particularly in Obama's back. She has managed to convince herself and her supporters that the only road to the presidency is through her. With that mind-set I would not trust Hillary with Hillary. She need to come to her senses and realize that this country and the VP slot can survive without her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 06/06/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

Futuristic, I agree with you The Clintons need to get over themselves.

Senator O needs a chance to relax and enjoy his victory for a mintute

After he does that he then can look over his list absent HIllary and make
his choice. What's the rush? He has until August.


OBAMA/RICHARDSON 08 GOD BLESS YOU SENATOR O

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 06/07/2008
- PNG I'm a Fan of PNG 51 fans permalink
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1) Hillary garnered 48.1% of the POPULAR vote, to Obama's 48.2%. In straight numbers, this comes out to a narrow victory of just over 46,000 votes nationwide for Senator Obama. Choosing anyone other than Clinton would be comparable to handing over ardent Clinton supporters to McCain.

2) Obama has "baggage" of his own: one being his overly-conciliatory manner with corporate lobbyists. McCain currently is being bean-bagged for this in the media, but as we head into the General, this could be the bone of contention that may work against Obama himself.

3) Neither Richardson nor Edwards have the latitude or familiarity with the voting public to assume the No. 2 spot. If the likes of Edwards were chosen, he is viewed as too weak, not being able to have even clinch his own state in the Democratic Primary (Obama won South Carolina in double-digits). Richardson is too obscure, and although well-spoken and informed, he lacks voter credential to sway Pro-Clinton supporters to be convinced to support Obama.

...The other half of this equation in re-commandeering the white house is adding Clinton to the ticket, despite her egregious past, her aloofness, lack of likability among young voters, and her polarizing persona. The whitehouse can NOT be taken without Clinton on the ticket.

And they both know it. So should YOU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 06/07/2008
- mjc I'm a Fan of mjc 10 fans permalink

So well put, PNG. However, as a Clinton supporter, I am not even sure I want her to be part of his administration. Think she would stymied at almost every step on putting plans she really wants to be part of the "change"; universal health care is a real need in this country and Hillary knows it. As you say taking the WH will be very difficult for Obama, simply because the mean machine of the Repugs will be working overtime to "get him". If you think Clinton had, or has baggage, check out Obama's associates. Forget about the DNC Clinton hatred; they are mostly jealous losers. The Repug's "swift boaters" will uncover every nasty thing they can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/07/2008

1) I'm not Obama, but if it were left up to this Mama, I'd tell HRC and her supporters to go ahead and vote for John McCain. That .1 percentage is the difference between a winner and an also ran.

2) HRC and her supporters are trying to hijack the veep position. The Democrats who voted for Obama paid for his election, not the lobbyists.

3) The name recognition you are groping for is connected to William Jefferson Clinton. If Hillary Rodham Clinton had not been married to Bill when he was in the WH, we would be saying Hillary, who?

I think the WH can be won by Obama and anyone else but HRC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 06/07/2008

I disagree strongly - Clinton on the ticket is more of a liability than an asset. Between the way she ran her campaign, the Clinton baggage, her lack of ethical behaviour throughout the campaign, I really can't see it working. He needs someone who has the same ideals he does - and that is not Clinton. In addition, Bill comes with the package - and neither one of them would be willing to take a back seat to the President (which they would have to do),

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 06/08/2008

I disagree strongly - He needs someone who has the same ideals he does - and that is not Clinton. Clinton on the ticket is more of a liability than an asset. Between the way she ran her campaign, the Clinton baggage, her lack of ethical behavior throughout the campaign, I really can't see it working. In addition, Bill comes with the package - and neither one of them would be willing to take a back seat to the President (which they would have to do),

Not only that, many of us will not be all that quick to forget her RFK 'A' word remark...c­ontrary to what the Clinton's think, this is NOT something that will be forgotten by November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 06/08/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

PNG: Anyone with half a brain, would realize that Obama CAN"t WIN without Hillary on the ticket.

I hope she doesn't take the spot. I will still be ambivalent about pressing the lever for a man who is such much LESS qualified than his VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 06/08/2008
- BardEric I'm a Fan of BardEric 10 fans permalink

After reading this piece and several pages of the comments that follow; I am srtucj by two burning questions:
1) If Barack and Hillary cannot put aside their differences and do what is clearly the best thing fof the party, then how did we ever expect either of them to be able to reach across the isle and form a tru bi-partisian govenrment that has the best interests of middle class America at heart, as each of then professed to desire upon the primary trail?
2) If the supporter camps of both candidates cannot also put aside said differences and/or "hard feelings" the campaign may have genrated, how then are we not hypocytes when we say we expect our govenrment to do so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 06/06/2008

Go vote for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 06/07/2008
- BardEric I'm a Fan of BardEric 10 fans permalink

Funny!! you should try taking that comic streak on the road...Vot­e for McSame? Not in this lifetime.. .But that doesnt mean Obama gets my vote by default either. If you would like your candidate to win (which IS almost certainly in the best interests of the nation) you might want to consider NOT antagonizing HRC's support base with you "wit" (or lack thereof). Thank you for emphasizing my point about the seeming in-ability for my fellow dems to get along with anyone with any viewpint differing from their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 06/07/2008

The first thing Obama should do if he wants to win in November is to ignore the advice of commenters on liberal blogs. Hillary brings women. Women make up more than half the electorate. With women Obama will win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 06/06/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Well one thing is for sure, he sure needs to ignore the advice of this blog and his supporters on this blog.

They will only mean his downfall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/08/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 48 fans permalink

Hillary loses youth, blacks, independents and moderate Republicans. There are millions of women voters who support Obama. If the lunatic fringe elderly feminists want to vote for McCain, there you go. We'll blame the nose-less wonders for the overturn of Roe v Wade. If he wants a woman vp, he should look at Sebelius and Napolitano, both competent, well liked governors in red states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/08/2008

i wonder if those women supporters know the meaning of the phrase: NO means NO !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 06/05/2008

Yes, the argument that Clinton is needed as VP is based on the preposition that Obama is a weak candidate. This really kneecaps Obama.

to agree is to say Obama is a weak candidate. This all puts Obama in a weak position no matter what! Wow.

With support like this who needs enemies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 06/05/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 34 fans permalink

Choosing his major rival is a sign of self confidence. A necessary willingness to delegate comes together with choosing strong characters. My immediate reaction was to reject the idea of this "dream ticket" but after thinking about it, I think it might work. Hillary would not have the power of a Dick Cheney. She would sit outside some of an Obama administrations policy making, but the post -- seemingly a place to retire her political ambitions -- might give her a special prominence in American society.

Hillary has always admired Eleanor Roosevelt and we remember her saying how she felt Roosevelt's spirit. Being Vice President gives her a place where she can pick up Eleanor Roosevelt's causes like social justice, citizen impowerment, and health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/06/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 123 fans permalink
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If Obama doesn't pick Clinton as his running mate, he doesn't stand a chance of being elected POTUS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 06/05/2008
- Wingit I'm a Fan of Wingit 8 fans permalink

The new leader of the democratic party says there will be no more PAC money or lobbyist money in the party. Howard Dean will stay on. The leadership of the party has changed. The Clinton's can leave now with our gratitiude for all they have done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 06/05/2008

Agreed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 06/08/2008
- rooks I'm a Fan of rooks 29 fans permalink
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I will tell you what, if he does pick Hillary his message of "Change we can believe in" will turn into
"Change we used to believe in." Also, politics is also about gestures and signals, doing what is right at the right time, dealing with outcomes not in your favor for your party. Has she done that? He has accomplished something no one has in the history of our country and she hasn't acknowledged that yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 06/05/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

This entire primary season and the things done by Obama and his surrogate and campaign, pretty much washes that "Change we believe in Crap right down the drive.

Give me a break. What a bunch of bull.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 06/08/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 73 fans permalink
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How can Obama, who refuses all lobbyist and PAC money, have a VP whose husband is a PAID lobbyist for a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT?

Bill was paid $800,000 from the Colombian government be their lobbyist for CAFTA. How can Hillary be on the ticket with that, their comingled money, the business deals Bill won't divulge details of, the missing 2007 tax return, and the library donors list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 06/05/2008
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Is that true?
So now the Colombians have an interest in 'helping' the Clintons get into the White House?

That is frightening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/05/2008
- Probus I'm a Fan of Probus 9 fans permalink
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It would be unwise for Obama to pick Clinton simply because she is part of the Washington establishment he is running against. If anything she would be a liability not an asset. He defeated her for the dem nomination and doesn't need her to win the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 06/05/2008

after lies and spite to him , mean he is just coward weaknes cant stand up without her mean he is cant stand with iran, mean he is just old politicans mean he just as bad as her mean he is suck up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 06/06/2008
- Wingit I'm a Fan of Wingit 8 fans permalink

John Garner, FDR's first vice president was forced on him. In the end Garner wound up lobbying against FDR's programs and promoting his own. In 1944 Garner actually ran against FDR. The two could never get along and that was a drag on the FDR presidency. That's why FDR didn't care in 1944 who was vice president; anybody was better than Garner. We don't need that to happen again. The first day of HRC's vice presidency will be her first day of campaigning to unseat Obama in the 2012 election and run again. Haven't we been through enough in this election cycle without asking for it to happen again?.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 06/05/2008
- banats I'm a Fan of banats 4 fans permalink

Personally, I trust Obama to make a good decision. I don't think he will be forced into anything he doesn't want. It may include Clinton; it may not. Whoever it is, there will be pros and cons, just as there are pros and cons about Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 06/05/2008
- KeysDan I'm a Fan of KeysDan 23 fans permalink

It is the time to celebrate the nomination of Senator Obama as our party's standard bearer and to be good winners, not bad whiners. The primary was a close one in delegate votes from primaries and caucuses, with super delegates, essentially, breaking the tie in keeping with the rules. The pillorying of the runner-up has included everything short of lassoing and pulling down Mrs. Clinton's inaugural ball gown mannequin at the First Lady exhibit at the Smithsonian. Although I may be speaking too soon, the week is not yet over. The objective for some, it appears, was to defeat, if not crush Mrs. Clinton, rather than to be sure to elect Senator Obama. For others, especially the media, the goal is garner controversy and continue the "horse race" in some manner. Senator Obama is our candidate, McCain is the Republican­s.. Our energy needs to go toward party unity and the election of Barack Obama as president of the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 06/05/2008

Today, I sent the following email to Sen. Obama:
"Will the black male presidential candidate reject the white female, who received the greater popular vote and lost the delegate count by 6%, as his running mate?
If rejection is the answer, can the Democratic party win the White House?
Don't be so arrogant as to believe the polls which ask, "Would you vote for a black man for President?" Who would admit to being a bigot to a pollster?
You can win and win big for the Democratic party with Hillary as the VP candidate.
Do you want to be the President of the United States, or do you just want to be the first "Black Man" to run for that office?"

What other VP candidate couold help elect more Democratic Senators and Representatives into the halls of Congress?
What Republican VP candidate could win a debate with Hillary Clinton?

Obama/Cinton ticket would blow the Republicans out of the water!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 06/05/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Yes, it isn't brain surgery. Whether Obama supporters like it or not, it is the only way he is sure to win the presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/08/2008
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