Hillary Clinton Running For The Vice Presidency

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First Posted: 06- 5-08 08:18 AM   |   Updated: 06-13-08 05:12 AM

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Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position.

Both personally and through intermediaries, in an exceptionally direct appeal for a losing candidate, Clinton has openly signaled her interest in the number two spot - a post once said to be worth less than "a bucket of warm piss."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Clinton supporter and Black Entertainment Television network founder Robert Johnson said Clinton has authorized him and others to persuade Barack Obama to pick her.

"She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November," Johnson told the Post.

Hillary's approach violates the protocol of avoiding overt appeals normally associated with the vice presidential selection process. Asked how to conduct such a campaign, Jim Jordan, who served as John Kerry's campaign manager, responded "very, very carefully."

Traditionally, those seeking to be chosen by their party's nominee have tried to used more elliptical, methods of signaling their readiness to serve their country.

In 2004, for example, Gen. Wesley K. Clark, immediately upon ending his own bid for the presidency, endorsed John Kerry, telling Kerry's aides that the Massachusetts Senator was "my pick'' early on -- in a message whose meaning everyone understood.

Along similar lines that same year, Don Imus asked John Edwards ''You know, and I know, and everybody knows, you would be willing to take this in a heartbeat, so at what point would you be willing to say that?'' Edwards replied, ''I'm not going to say that on your show.''

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In one of the more bizarre events in the history of vice presidential selection, Mike Gravel, who ran for president this year, nominated himself for vice president at the 1972 Democratic Convention on the ticket with George S. McGovern, losing to Thomas Eagleton, McGovern's choice, 1741.81 to 225.38.

Republican lawyer Ben Ginsberg was dismissive of the Clinton-generated boomlet for herself. "It's such an individual decision by the presidential candidate that it takes a Hillary to do it."

Ron Kaufman, a top aide to former President George H. W. Bush -- who served as Ronald Reagan's vice president for two terms -- said there is one guiding rule that anyone interested in the post should follow: "If you drool, you lose."

Former congressman Jack Kemp in 1980 and 1988 campaigned hard and got nothing. "My old boss [George H.W. Bush] did not worry about it and did whatever the Reagan folks asked him to do, and it all worked out," noted Kaufman. "Gerry Ford's folks, in '80 put on a big campaign for Ford to be 'co-President.' That backfired."

In the more distant past, there were rare occasions when vice presidents were picked in open competition for delegate support at the national conventions.

Former Democratic Party and South Carolina Democratic chairman Don Fowler, who has an encyclopedic memory, noted two cases:

"In 1944, FDR did not want incumbent vice president Henry Wallace to be on the ballot. He left the field open; there was sort of a campaign between Harry Truman and Jimmy Byrnes of South Carolina. Truman won. In 1956, Adlai Stevenson threw open to the convention the selection of the VP. Senator Jack Kennedy ran against C. Estes Kefauver of Tennessee. Kefauver won."

Although it is certainly unusual for a candidate to begin publicly running for vice president before withdrawing from the presidential contest, this may be the moment when Clinton has the most leverage, presenting herself as the one person who could significantly heal the divisions now running deep in the party.

White women, especially older white women, are one of Obama's problematic constituencies and Clinton has done very well among them.

A survey conducted at the end of May by the Pew Research Center on the People and the Press found:

"Hillary Clinton continues to garner the majority of support among some segments of the Democratic base. In particular, 57 percent of white women favor Clinton as the party's nominee, while just 38 percent favor Obama....

"Obama's diminished popularity and support among white women may in part be an indication of a growing backlash against him among Clinton's women supporters. The survey finds that as many 39 percent of Clinton's female supporters believe that her gender has hurt her candidacy. In turn, favorable opinions of Obama have tumbled among women who support Clinton - from 58 percent in March to 43 percent currently."

These findings suggest that Clinton may right now be in the best position she ever will be to make the case that adding her to the ticket offers an opportunity to bring these Democratic voters back to the fold.

As speculation about Clinton's interest in the vice presidency spread, her campaign issued a statement designed to quiet the controversy:

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her. The choice here is Senator Obama's and his alone."


Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position. Both pers...
Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position. Both pers...
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On CNN he just said that the next time you hear something about the VP from him will be later, and he will be announcing who he will be picking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 06/05/2008

I think the BET President went out on a limb. You would not assign someone who you've ALREADY apologized for once, a non-politician, to make such delicate overtures. I believe Clinton that only she speaks for herself and that she is not seeking VP position.

Also - what about Bill's Foundation ? I don't want a repeat of Geraldine Ferraro's husband biz scandals!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 06/05/2008
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

No, Clinton should just get out of the way. Perhaps a chair on the invitation committee of tourism.

Free government tours for Americans' to the depleted uranium hot zones in Iraq for their learning experience
about the use of nuclear waste for amunition purposes now used in Americas' wars.

Rolf Krogsæther
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 06/05/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

David Gregory takes me to my ultimate sense of pissivity! Always telling Obama what he can and cannot do! Please David, your nose is sooo snotty!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 06/05/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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As each day passes her supporters move to Obama. She's pushing because she realizes she has a very narrow window. It's fast closing on her.

Her most fanatic supporters have already moved to Mccain - they don't want her to be VP.
McCain has a DemsforMcCain site up which is an altar to Hillary. They can go there and worship her.

More importantly - Obama will keep her sidelined with the thought of the vetting of Bill. I don't think Caroline Kennedy is going to cut either one of them any slack. By the time they might decide it's worth trying it will be too late....he­r base will have slipped away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 06/05/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

I still think OBama supporters aren't being realistic about Hillary's base. Some of them will vote for Obama, a lot of them, especially the women, and certain whites in certain battleground states will not, and I am sure there are others that won't vote at all or even resort to voting for McCain.

It isn't a given, that Obama is going to get a large majority of those voters.

Even though dopes like Keith Olbermann and Gene RObinson actually said on the Countdown show,

"Everyone knows that those 80,000 Hillary supporters are going to vote for Obama.'

Boy, what journalistic ability, Keith. How did you come about those numbers, smartie fat face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/08/2008

"Traditionally, those seeking to be chosen by their party's nominee have tried to used more elliptical, methods of signaling their readiness to serve their country."

But it is not traditional for the runner-up to command a huge constituen­cy--perhap­s as many as 18 million--who have already cast a vote for her.

Simple arithmetic tells me that Obama cannot win without Hillary's supporters. Now that he's the nominee, the question is: What is HE going to do about HER? -- Not the other way 'round!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 06/05/2008
- mebble I'm a Fan of mebble 4 fans permalink
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If Barack Obama chooses or is somehow forced to choose Mrs. Clinton as his running mate, a lot of his supporters are going to feel betrayed and will reconsider their support for him. It could very well ruin his chances of being elected. He will be viewed either as an insincere sell-out or a hobbled (knee-capped) candidate. It will produce a huge anti-climax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 06/05/2008
- TopDog I'm a Fan of TopDog 8 fans permalink
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Presumptive nominee Obama should announce he will not be picking a VP choice until August. That should calm everybody down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/05/2008
- Probus I'm a Fan of Probus 9 fans permalink
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After attacking Obama so many times so maliciously it is hypocritical for Hillary to want to be on the same ticket with him. It is also hypocritical for those people who trashed Obama for her to now want to "unite" the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 06/05/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Right, and no one, including Obama and his surrogates, ever attacked Hillary or Bill in this campaign primary.

Right, still spinning in the Twilight ZOne, I see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 06/08/2008

This was posted in the comments to a column about Mrs Clinton in The Telegraph:

This about sums up Mrs Clinton!

> Judy Wallman, a professional genealogical researcher, discovered that
> Hillary Clinton's great-great uncle, Remus Rodham, was hanged for
> horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889.
>
> The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows.
> On the back of the picture is this inscription: "Remus Rodham; horse
> thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed
> the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted
> and hanged in 1889."
>
> Judy e-mailed Hillary Clinton for comments. Hillary's staff sent back
> the following biographical sketch:
>
> "Remus Rodham was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory. His
> business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian
> assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in
> 1883, he devoted several years of his life to service at a government
> facility, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the
> railroad. In 1887 he was a key player in a vital investigation run by
> the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889 Remus passed away
> during an important civic function held in his honor, when the
> platform on which he was standing collapsed.­"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/05/2008
- Probus I'm a Fan of Probus 9 fans permalink
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After the way Clinton has treated Obama, particularly after her statement that RFK was assassinated in June there is no way that Obama would even consider her for the VP slot. His candidacy is about change, and she is part of the Washington establishment he ran against. Also, it is hypocritical for her to now want to be his VP considering she as recently as Tue night said that she was more electable than him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 06/05/2008

Plain and simple, if Dems want to win, Hillary MUS be in; otherwise, Obama won't have a slight chance agains McCain. Obama can't win in key States, and that's the fact. The reality is, without Mrs Clinton, he will be lost in the dark. IF I could vote, I, sadly will vote for McCain, but if Hillary is in I would vote for Dems, that's for sure, and beleive me, many, many are like myself. Asians, Hispanics, Women, and White voters still will vote for Hillary, and without the whole 18 million people supporting Obama, he will be finished since at the end of the day, the teenagers bandwagon will no longer there! Well perhaps will, and I bet less that 40% would do the same, and most independent will shift to McCain. The reason is these people, mostly supporting Reps at the beginning anyway, and they knew McCain couldn't beat Mrs. Clinton, that's why they jumped to the band-wagon to picked Obama, and at the end they would pitch Obama..! So, Americans, you picked the wrong candidate already, and you should wish your Black bro will see the light, and Dems would wake up and see reality. It shows now the real support already, McCain has broken his fund raising, and he will get more from now on! Replubicans era has to end to improve your country, your people, and your image around the World.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 06/05/2008

DIdn't you hear? Now she's "disavowing" any talk about VP and saying that she's not interested. Could've fooled me...I thought she SAID that she was interested just a day or so ago...I guess that was a "trial balloon" that got popped pretty quickly.

Hillary, time to cede the stage gracefully­...stop trying to grab headlines with your "Yes I am/No I'm not" psych! antics. This is exactly the kind of stuff that makes people afraid of a female president - the fickleness, the sulking, the self-pity party. And I say that as a woman because I've heard it all before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 06/05/2008
- missjabez I'm a Fan of missjabez 18 fans permalink
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I think Clinton would drag Obama down. His message is about us all working together to make the country better. Clinton is just all about Clinton and twentieth century machine-style politics. Clinton would constantly try to upstage and undermine Obama. Obama would have to be nuts to choose her as his running mate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 06/05/2008
- banats I'm a Fan of banats 4 fans permalink

The decision is ultimately Obama's. We should be ready to respect the decision that he makes. Coming as close as she did to the required number of delegates, Clinton does deserve consideration for the VP spot. She has the qualifications. As a public servant, she has served her country and her constituents well. If you voted for Obama, I assume that you trust him to make the right decision. At this point, it is counterproductive to continue to trash talk Clinton thereby alienating her supporters who will hopefully become future Obama supporters. And if she wants to do a little self-promotion, what's wrong with that? Isn't that how you get a job in the real world? I trust Obama. I don't think that his judgment will be clouded by someone who makes a case for themselves. And as a potential commander-in-chief, I think that he is capable of standing up to anyone who tries to bully him into a decision. All three of Abraham Lincoln's rivals for the Republican nomination ended up in his cabinet and the candidate that everyone thought would win, Seward, became a close confidential friend of Lincoln's and one of his best campaigners. Stranger things have happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 06/05/2008
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