Hillary Clinton Running For The Vice Presidency

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First Posted: 06- 5-08 08:18 AM   |   Updated: 06-13-08 05:12 AM

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Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position.

Both personally and through intermediaries, in an exceptionally direct appeal for a losing candidate, Clinton has openly signaled her interest in the number two spot - a post once said to be worth less than "a bucket of warm piss."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Clinton supporter and Black Entertainment Television network founder Robert Johnson said Clinton has authorized him and others to persuade Barack Obama to pick her.

"She said if asked to do this, she must accept because she believes that it is in the best interest of the party that the party come together and win in November," Johnson told the Post.

Hillary's approach violates the protocol of avoiding overt appeals normally associated with the vice presidential selection process. Asked how to conduct such a campaign, Jim Jordan, who served as John Kerry's campaign manager, responded "very, very carefully."

Traditionally, those seeking to be chosen by their party's nominee have tried to used more elliptical, methods of signaling their readiness to serve their country.

In 2004, for example, Gen. Wesley K. Clark, immediately upon ending his own bid for the presidency, endorsed John Kerry, telling Kerry's aides that the Massachusetts Senator was "my pick'' early on -- in a message whose meaning everyone understood.

Along similar lines that same year, Don Imus asked John Edwards ''You know, and I know, and everybody knows, you would be willing to take this in a heartbeat, so at what point would you be willing to say that?'' Edwards replied, ''I'm not going to say that on your show.''

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In one of the more bizarre events in the history of vice presidential selection, Mike Gravel, who ran for president this year, nominated himself for vice president at the 1972 Democratic Convention on the ticket with George S. McGovern, losing to Thomas Eagleton, McGovern's choice, 1741.81 to 225.38.

Republican lawyer Ben Ginsberg was dismissive of the Clinton-generated boomlet for herself. "It's such an individual decision by the presidential candidate that it takes a Hillary to do it."

Ron Kaufman, a top aide to former President George H. W. Bush -- who served as Ronald Reagan's vice president for two terms -- said there is one guiding rule that anyone interested in the post should follow: "If you drool, you lose."

Former congressman Jack Kemp in 1980 and 1988 campaigned hard and got nothing. "My old boss [George H.W. Bush] did not worry about it and did whatever the Reagan folks asked him to do, and it all worked out," noted Kaufman. "Gerry Ford's folks, in '80 put on a big campaign for Ford to be 'co-President.' That backfired."

In the more distant past, there were rare occasions when vice presidents were picked in open competition for delegate support at the national conventions.

Former Democratic Party and South Carolina Democratic chairman Don Fowler, who has an encyclopedic memory, noted two cases:

"In 1944, FDR did not want incumbent vice president Henry Wallace to be on the ballot. He left the field open; there was sort of a campaign between Harry Truman and Jimmy Byrnes of South Carolina. Truman won. In 1956, Adlai Stevenson threw open to the convention the selection of the VP. Senator Jack Kennedy ran against C. Estes Kefauver of Tennessee. Kefauver won."

Although it is certainly unusual for a candidate to begin publicly running for vice president before withdrawing from the presidential contest, this may be the moment when Clinton has the most leverage, presenting herself as the one person who could significantly heal the divisions now running deep in the party.

White women, especially older white women, are one of Obama's problematic constituencies and Clinton has done very well among them.

A survey conducted at the end of May by the Pew Research Center on the People and the Press found:

"Hillary Clinton continues to garner the majority of support among some segments of the Democratic base. In particular, 57 percent of white women favor Clinton as the party's nominee, while just 38 percent favor Obama....

"Obama's diminished popularity and support among white women may in part be an indication of a growing backlash against him among Clinton's women supporters. The survey finds that as many 39 percent of Clinton's female supporters believe that her gender has hurt her candidacy. In turn, favorable opinions of Obama have tumbled among women who support Clinton - from 58 percent in March to 43 percent currently."

These findings suggest that Clinton may right now be in the best position she ever will be to make the case that adding her to the ticket offers an opportunity to bring these Democratic voters back to the fold.

As speculation about Clinton's interest in the vice presidency spread, her campaign issued a statement designed to quiet the controversy:

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her. The choice here is Senator Obama's and his alone."


Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position. Both pers...
Hillary Clinton has, in effect, converted her presidential campaign into a bid for the vice presidency, an unprecedented move and a high-risk gamble for a candidate in her position. Both pers...
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She doesn't want the VP spot. She wants to create a situation where he can't offer her the spot (because it would make him look weak) and thereby he becomes the bad guy and gives her rabid supporters a reason to continue the chaos and division in the party. She knows exactly what she is doing. She wants McCain elected.

Sen Obama is smart though. I like how he has reached out for Bill Clinton's help. Basically, he is countering Bill's stance to try to not campaign for Obama, and Obama is forcing Bill to be the bad guy if he refuses to help. Which is the message that Bill was subliminally convening when he said that it was his last day compaigning. Senator Obama then publicly reached to Bill to let him know that he knows what Bill meant, but Obama is going to publicly extend the olive branch to force Bill to be the bad guy when he declines his assistance.

Basically, the Clintons think they're so smart.. but Senator Obama and his team are much smarter than them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 06/05/2008

OMG!!! You are reading my mind!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 06/05/2008
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I am listening to Evan Bayh on MSNBC right now, yet again making excuses for her ungracious failure to even acknowledge his having reached the magic number on Tuesday night (much less being willing to concede), by saying, "Come on, give her a break, it's only been 72 hours and she needs to decompress".

O'bama had the nomination in the bag weeks, if not months, ago. With every victory he achieved, she managed to snatch the limelight from him, most notably in my mind in the days after the Indiana and N. Carolina primaries. O'bama gave a 'once in a generation' speech that night. Those victories, in both states, should have guaranteed O'bama a week's worth of media attention. Instead, her campaign leaked she would have an announcement "soon", which caused the media to spend three days speculating about her dropping out of the race. On Friday, she announced, "Uhmmmm, no, I'm not quitting."

After his historic win on Tuesday, she's done it again. After initially saying that she was conceding, dropping out, releasing her delegates and would endorse him, she's now going to have a farewell tour (something on the nature of Cream, extended over days, if not weeks). She wants to have her big donors and supporters with her - Weren't they all there on Tuesday night?.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 06/05/2008

Am I in error, or did a certain candidate indicate being ready to govern on day one? Will that candidate need to decompress on day one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 06/05/2008

:-) !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 06/05/2008
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She's not going to drop out, merely "suspend" (meaning she can jump back in at any time), she's not releasing her delegates, she's not endorsing him (merely "supporting" him). My favorite new twists: She's got her surrogates trying to infiltrate the O'bama campaign for jobs (anybody remember Howard Wolfson being sent to the Ned Lamont campaign?), and have O'bama hire the women's organizations with their infrastructure all intact, which if Hil'lary were to get back into the race after spending the summer trying to poach delegates, she will have had O'bama keeping her organizations intact for her without having to pay their salaries.

The chutzpah of the woman knows no bounds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 06/05/2008

Marcospinelli,

Technically, suspending a campaign means that fundraising is still allowed. Ending a campaign out right means that you intend to write your debt off. Suspending is what all candidates who drop out of a race do so that they can keep raising money to pay their debt. Now you are of course free to believe that Clinton's motivation lie elsewhere.

As far as Obama's campaign, he will run it as he sees fit. Clinton's leverage is limited. no need to get all bent out of shape with political maneuvering. That always goes on behind the scenes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 06/05/2008
- ZsaZsa I'm a Fan of ZsaZsa 41 fans permalink

If Hil is the VP candidate, she will be asked constantly why she disagreed with 0bama on issues X, Y, and Z during the primary campaign but now all of a sudden agrees with him. It's just a bad idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 06/05/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 21 fans permalink

One of the best reasons I've seen so far as to why she should not be VP - well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 06/05/2008
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I agree. Additionally, as VP she would energize the Republican base to come out and vote against her. The GOP will also use all the statements she's made against 0bama as ammunition. There's so much baggage with the Clint-ons, neither would pass the vetting process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 06/05/2008
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

She kneecapped Obama on several occasions during the primaries, that disqualifies her for the VeeP. Fortunately she was not able to do sustained damage.

In my humble opinion Hillary Clinton can now stay relevant in the Democratic Party and more importantly in the Presidential contest by doing a hatchet job on McCain from now until Denver. She's going to have to work her way onto Team Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/05/2008

Hillary as VP would be a mistake. There are Republicons in my family who will vote for Obama just as long as Hillary isn't on the ticket. Most recent was my brother last night just before dinner. We are in a conservative, southern state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/05/2008
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IF OBAMA DOES NOT HEED THE CLAMOR TO PICK CLINTON AS HIS RUNNING MATE,
HE WOULD BE GUILTY OF SEXISM, AND HER 18 MILLION VOTERS SHOULD JUNK HIM

By Hermie Rotea

The moment of truth for Senator Barack Obama has arrived. During the presidential primaries he denied there was racism and sexism in his campaign. Oh eh? Prove it!

His victory as the presumptive Democratic Party presidential nominee is indeed historical because it is the first time that a black candidate has won such honor.

Now Obama has a golden opportunity to also prove that sexism no longer exists in America by himself making it possible for a woman to be the first vice presidential in U.S. history.

This is the challenge that Obama now faces. Does he wants only himself to glow in that honor? Can he not in his heart help America gain another honor for Clinton to be the first woman vice president in history?

If Obama rejects the clamored Dream Ticket, then he is himself very sexist, very selfish, very egotistic, very opportunistic, and a very dirty politician!

In that event, I strongly urge the 18 million who voted for Clinton to stay at home on November 4 and boycott the presidential election. Women voters especially cannot vote for a very sexist politician!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 06/05/2008

Look around, a lot of those 18 million voters see themselves as Democrats, not bargaining chips -- see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hilary-rosen/i-am-not-a-bargaining-chi_b_105133.html. Hillary does not own them, they own themselves. And did you catch all those superdelegate members of Congress latching onto conference calls to her The Day After? They didn't like her speech and they wanted to be released to endorse Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 06/05/2008

yes, by all means do just that. Bypass voting for Obama and insure that John Mc becomes the next president. Which will, in turn, result in Mc appointing the next two Supreme Court Justices over the next four years. And then celebrate your participation in the brilliant strategy that brought about the reversal of Roe v Wade. Please, please do just that . . . behave like a petulant child. Behave just like your candidate!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 06/05/2008

Wow, if this is her bid for the Vice Presidency, then it is a campaign more flawed than her run for the top spot. I don't believe that she is cut out for 2nd place. She said her self that she was "in it to win it." (Some of her pro-McCain/anti-Obama comments during the primary confirmed that.) And while I am an Obama supporter, I also think that Hillary Clinton's talents would be better utilized in a position that is not so symbolic as VP. As a member of the Cabinet, Senate, or some other position, she would have more real responsibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 06/05/2008
- TRichards I'm a Fan of TRichards 18 fans permalink
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If Hillary someday evolves to the point where she understands that it's not about her, then I agree that she'd be a great candidate. But, that evolution will, I fear, coincide with the day in which icebergs start to crowd the landscape in Hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 06/05/2008
- bodo I'm a Fan of bodo 7 fans permalink

If tenaciousness and unmitigated gall was enough for a US-President, we can keep George Bush. It seems hardly credible that this woman has sent out her underlings to appear on every talk show to blackmail her way into the Vice Presidency. Obama would need his head examined if he fell for this cheap trick. Hillary could never deliver her white racists to Obama. She would drag in all the old Clinton political machine again and completely destroy Obama's message of hope for change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 06/05/2008

Tenaciousness and unmitigated gall would be terrific in someone whose job it was to defend the Constitu--- oh wait. That IS her job as a senator, she just hasn't gotten around to doing it yet. When will Day One come, when it comes to her doing her job with everything she's got?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 06/05/2008
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Please stop talking about her............ ok? Enough is enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/05/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1625 fans permalink
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Gina Gershom, is that you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 06/05/2008

Sorry, Mr. Fowler's memory isn't quite encyclopedic: Mr. Kefauver was from Tennessee, not Alabama. And as an "older white woman" and a lifelong Dem I cannot support Hillary for VP. it's really time for the Democrats to turn the page.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/05/2008

Isn't this the same woman who said, she and McCain are QUALIFIED but NOT Obama!!! NEVER!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 06/05/2008
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I think if this succeeds in pressuring 0bama at all, it might be to choose a Vice Presidential nominee quickly. It sure wouldn't hurt to put an end to this as soon as possible, because the media will spin this as long as they can. I would like him to either select a candidate, or make a definitive pronouncement that eliminates her consideration, within the next few days.

I am very concerned about the instabilities of power structures in the Executive Branch after eight years of Bush and Cheney, and about how important it is to have a VP who shares a firm resolve to restore the constitutional balance. I do not think that goal would be well served by the nomination of H, and I will oppose that choice on those grounds as strongly as I can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 06/05/2008

Who was VP on the Dukakis bid - anyone remember??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 06/05/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 21 fans permalink

Lloyd Bentsen - he did that famous line to Dan Quayle- "Senator I knew Jack Kennedy and you are no Jack Kennedy"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 06/05/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 21 fans permalink

L loyd B entsen he did that famous line to D an Q uayle "Senator I knew J ack K ennedy and you are no J ack K ennedy"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 06/05/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1625 fans permalink
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Lloyd Bentson (sp)?

Remember the zinger to Quayle: "I knew Jack Kenn-dy, Jack was a friend of mine, and you, Senator are no Jack Kenn-edy""

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 06/05/2008

Lloyd Bentsen! A salute! "I knew Jack Kennedy and you are no Jack Kennedy" Pwned!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 06/05/2008
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