Obama-Clinton Ticket: A Dream Or Nightmare

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CALVIN WOODWARD | June 4, 2008 10:29 PM EST | AP

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In this July 19, 2006, file photo Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, during the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in Washington, prior to their race for the Democratic presidential nomination. After Obama secured the nomination Tuesday, June 3, 2008, he called Clinton in the evening and left a message. Meanwhile, Clinton's aides and surrogates have pitched her for the No. 2 spot, though she has not officially ended her campaign. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File)

WASHINGTON — Picture a cozy weekend at Camp David for President Obama, Vice President Hillary Rodham Clinton and their lively spouses.

They'd talk policy and politics in the confines of the rustic retreat. After the long campaign and all the bruised feelings, Michelle Obama could finally reach out to Bill Clinton, as she recently said she's been wanting to do.

To be exact, she said: "I want to rip his eyes out."

Then added: "Kidding."

They could bring along Obama's national security adviser, let's say Samantha Power. She's the foreign policy specialist who had to leave the Obama campaign after calling Hillary Clinton a "monster."

Now that Clinton is angling to become Obama's running mate, the question arises how two frosty rivals and their seething camps might come together without sticking flag pins into each other.

It's all pretty awkward right now.

Clinton's aides and surrogates began boldly pitching her for the No. 2 spot before they were ready to acknowledge she had failed in her quest for No. 1. Clinton herself said she'd be open to the position.

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On Wednesday, a campaign official said Clinton has decided to end her presidential candidacy and would express support for Obama on Saturday.

For months, she's cast her rival as wet behind the ears and herself as the one to be trusted to deal with crises in the middle of the night.

In an Obama-Clinton White House, he'd take the 3 a.m. call. She might or might not be awakened.

For his part, Obama has painted Clinton as a figure of another time and himself as a clean break from all that's past and passe about Washington. He'd be eager to bring in his own team, to bring "change," the coin of his realm.

Then there's Bill, a man of deep experience, in-your-face opinions and more baggage than a boxcar.

Even so, some Democratic strategists are salivating at the prospect of Obama and Hillary Clinton joining forces.

They are fixated on her electoral strengths and not at all on Oval Office atmospherics.

Obama's side is trying to tamp down the veep speculation that threatens to overshadow his historic achievement as the first black presidential nominee, but in a way that does not seem dismissive of her and does not rule out the chance of offering her the position.

They can't afford to dismiss her, or, more precisely, the more than 17 million voters who turned out for her, including masses of blue-collar voters in swing states, Hispanics and older voters, especially women.

Obama picked his words with exquisite care when he talked about Clinton with supporters, directly addressing his but really speaking to hers.

"You can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country _ and we will win that fight _ she will be central to that victory," he said.

Clinton, of course, has already fought that fight for another president, her husband, and lost. She's also assailed Obama's health care plan, which does not mandate universal coverage, as seriously deficient.

Obama purposely did not address in what capacity she might take another run at health care. It's unlikely he knows. He and Clinton have yet to talk in a serious way.

The Illinois senator is famously willing to meet with difficult people, even Iran's hard-line, terrorist-underwriting, nuclear-developing, anti-American president.

But a sit-down with Clinton isn't coming together too quickly, days after he proposed that it happen once the dust settled. Perhaps they haven't worked out preconditions.

After he secured the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, he called her in the evening, missed her and left a message.

She got back to him.

Then they ran into each other backstage Wednesday between delivering speeches at a Washington conference. Obama said they'd have a conversation in "coming weeks."

It's an awkward time.

And then there's Bill.

WASHINGTON — Picture a cozy weekend at Camp David for President Obama, Vice President Hillary Rodham Clinton and their lively spouses. They'd talk policy and politics in the confines of the rus...
WASHINGTON — Picture a cozy weekend at Camp David for President Obama, Vice President Hillary Rodham Clinton and their lively spouses. They'd talk policy and politics in the confines of the rus...
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NIGHTMARE!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/06/2008
- gjoh I'm a Fan of gjoh 6 fans permalink

Obama/Clinton Ticket ..... a real nightmare.

No, no, no!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 06/06/2008
- txgal44 I'm a Fan of txgal44 3 fans permalink

Nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/06/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

Nightmare!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/06/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

Oh, count this is an 18 million Nightmare reply -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 06/06/2008

Oprah for VP! Oprah for VP! She deserves it! She got him this far!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 06/06/2008
- WFV I'm a Fan of WFV 13 fans permalink
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Having the Clintons back in the White House (in any form) would be a nightmare. They have proven they aren't who we thought they were. Or are they, and we just forgot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 06/06/2008
- ggmome I'm a Fan of ggmome 13 fans permalink

Oh, I remember it well...Got us out of trouble, but all up into theirs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 06/06/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

It would be a nightmare - it's unfortunate that she still has no control over her failed campaign and supporters , including Lanny Davis and that Bob Johnson from BET - Hillary showed throughout her campaign that she does not have the temperament for president or vp and she is not trustworthy - what with her screaming at Obama during the campaign saying shame on you and with ther sniper lies and insulting him personally telling him she and McCain had this experience and all Obama had was a speech - those were just some of the things reflective of her - no, she would be a nightmare - and she continues to want to minimize his win by allowing all this fuss about HER this entire week -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 06/06/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 72 fans permalink
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It would be a nightmare for Bill and Hillary to be vetted. They'd have to disclose all his business deals, his work as a lobbyist for a foreign government ($800,000 from Colombia), the library donors, her earmarks, and the 2007 tax return.

No way do they want to do that.

But...not such a loss. Remember Hubert Humphrey, Spiro Agnew, Nelson Rockefeller, Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle, George Bush? The VP position takes talented people and represses their talent. (Or its a placement for a complete non-entity).

Hillary can do better as a senator. SC justice might also work out fine. She still has years left to distinguish herself--why waste 8 of them as VP, then be too old to rebuild your political career?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 06/06/2008
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Nightmare. And, to clarify... I say "Nightmare!!" not because I dislike Hillary. But, because I think it would be such a poor team.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 06/05/2008
- army193 I'm a Fan of army193 9 fans permalink
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Lets go back in history. The Clinton's haven't lost a race in Decades and this was a lose that she was not ready for and she has been unable to be just her self for years. Now this is how I see what can happen. Bill Clinton is not going to open up his money record and therefore he has just denied Hillary from being Vice-President at this time. Obama can name Senator Sam Nunn Vice president for the first four years with understanding that he will drop out the next 4years and Hillary & Bill clean up there records and Obama names her as Vice President the next for years and sets her up for President...Just a thought

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 06/05/2008
- Teritt I'm a Fan of Teritt 9 fans permalink

In the world of politics - nothing gets cleaned up in 4 years. It goes on forever....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 06/06/2008
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

It will be a start of the cleanup with Obama - with the Clintons, it would be a continuation of more garbage thrown on top of what the republicans left - better to start picking up the trash rather than throwing more on top of it -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 06/06/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 16 fans permalink

WORST. NIGHTMARE. IN THE WORRRRLD!!!!

Just imagine Keith's voice as you say it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 06/05/2008

If this is a joke... then let's read from Peoples imagination !
Who is playing the " sexism card " of the Romantic Nightmare.

Her husband once said: You put them together - They are unbeatable.... So, exiting !
I wonder why ... or if Bill.C can't take care of Hillary, himself.. because....
If Hillary would be a VP then Bill Clinton will be called " Second Man "
Hillary's folks want to Hillary to run as Obama's mate ... So Nasty
Then She said... I never quit in the middle of the game... (Gov. Rendell)
And Now Hillary said: I have to meet with Obama... Privately.... So Nasty
What's that mean?.... says Obama .... I am on the First place She offers me a 2nd place
Now conform to the Hilarious Obama shall share rum in the white house.... So, Nasty!!!
At 3 am the phone rings... Who answer... Hillary. Clinton
Kennedy ask... Where is Obama.... Hillary says: Don't worry, He is in Even
The Day after, T. Kennedy says: He was my son but now he is with my brother

IT's sounds like a Terrible Romantic Nightmare !
Yeah... may be only our imagination made by our fear....
But how long will Hilary's ideas TORTURE the peoples

Ps: Take this like a bad joke as I do not intend to offend anyone, I'm only trying....
not to dramatize the consequences because.. this is not a dream ticket for Me !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 06/05/2008
- Vantunow I'm a Fan of Vantunow 2 fans permalink

NIGHTMARE - Worse than Nightmare on Elm Street

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 06/05/2008
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A Nightmare. One that we can't wake up from.... I just don't see them working together as a team. I don't see her taking the secondary position and certainly I don't see her taking orders or direction from him. For so many reasons, I see it as a disaster.

There are so many other, capable, talented candidates who would serve him well, and be willing to create a true and supportive partnership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 06/05/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 72 fans permalink
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She's a leader, not really a team player and definitely no one's subordinate. Reading about VPs--its pretty frustrating for anyone who's ambitious and has a hard time subordinating their ideas to someone else's that they may often disagree with.

If she doesn't want to stay senator (and personally, I think its a great job), there are other positions that would let her enjoy much more influence than VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 06/06/2008

Dream or nightmare question aside, what are the odds of Hillary (and Bill!) surviving the vetting process?

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/could-hillary-and-bill-even-survive.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 06/05/2008
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