Obama Doing Better Among Hispanics Than Kerry In 2004

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First Posted: 06- 5-08 03:13 PM   |   Updated: 06-13-08 05:12 AM

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One of the key constituencies to watch in the general election will be Hispanic voters. The Republican Party made a mess of its relationship to this group after taking a hard-line stance on immigration reform one year ago. But Barack Obama also has had his troubles recruiting Hispanics, due both to Hillary Clinton's popularity and, to a lesser extent, racial concerns.

While conventional wisdom holds that John McCain, a border state Senator, could make inroads among Hispanic voters, a new tracking poll shows that, historically, Obama is in a very strong position.

A Gallup Study released today shows that in a hypothetical general election match up Hispanics break by a greater than two-to-one margin for the Illinois Democrat: 62 percent to McCain's 29 percent.

To put that in context, in 2004, Hispanics favored Sen. John Kerry over President Bush by a margin of 59 to 40, meaning that Obama is already ahead of his Democratic predecessor. This, of course, is a welcome development for a candidate hoping to win Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, states with large Hispanic communities.

"The narrative that Obama is weak and McCain is strong among Latinos is simply not reinforced by the Gallup numbers," wrote Andres Ramirez, of the NDN, a progressive think tank. "Also, it is clear that McCain has been unable to differentiate and/or distinguish himself from the Latino community's negative view of the GOP. If these trends continue, this will make the five heavily Hispanic states of Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida much more democratic - a shift that, alone, could give Barack Obama the presidency."

There are, to be sure, areas where Obama can improve his standing among Hispanic voters. In the 2006 congressional elections, for instance, the Democratic Party on a national level won 70 percent of the groups vote. Moreover, there is heavy indication that McCain's camp thinks they can woo these voters as the election progresses.

"There are some non-Republican Hispanic leaders who aren't looking at us right now because they are supporting Sen. Clinton," said McCain adviser Charlie Black. "If they become freed up, we're going to talk to them."

But at this point in time, the Hispanic community may not poise the major political obstacle for Obama that was once believed. As Gallup concludes:

"Obama did not fare well against Hillary Clinton among Hispanics in the 2008 primaries, but the early indications are that he will do well among this increasingly Democratic group in the general election."

One of the key constituencies to watch in the general election will be Hispanic voters. The Republican Party made a mess of its relationship to this group after taking a hard-line stance on immigratio...
One of the key constituencies to watch in the general election will be Hispanic voters. The Republican Party made a mess of its relationship to this group after taking a hard-line stance on immigratio...
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I believe the Democrats will loose ,no matter who is voting for them unless they keep the repunklicuns from cheatin such as they did in Ohio, and Frorida. I believe some voting officals in Ohio have court dates pending.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 06/07/2008

It would be nice if he won by a landslide, but it's an uphill battle. At least he has 2 votes in my home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 06/06/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 23 fans permalink

Another "slice & dice" analysis. A few observations:

1. The Clintons enjoy tremendous popularity among Latino voters. You cannot automatically assume that their preference for Sen. Clinton in the primaries indicates that many wouldn't favor Sen. Obama over John McCain. The results reflect Sen, Clintons popularity more than any problem with Barack Obama.

2. 2004 was 2004. 2000 was 2000. 2008 is spanking new - it has a new cast of characters, a different set of economic circumstances and international context. In addition, the influx of new voters may very well change the electoral landscape.

The implication is that candidates should not take any demographic group for granted or focus on increasing vote margins among overly narrow demographic segments so that, on one hand, they become so complacent that they have this or that group "in the bag" or at the other extreme, create an atmosphere where a large number of tiny special interest demographic groups are fighting one another for "scraps."

I believe the Democratic campaign should scrap for every single vote and convince each "person" not merely "traditional groups of people" to vote for Sen. Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 06/06/2008
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Ironically, Pat Buchanan (of all people) said Obama might have trouble getting a large portion of the Hispanic vote and would need Hillary.

Obama should mention "Pat Buchanan" and "Republican" in the same sentence and Obama should have their support immediately.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 06/06/2008
- the964kid I'm a Fan of the964kid 67 fans permalink
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Well Obama needs to do better for sure, because Kerry lost. Obama's message will win over hispanics, because his life story and his vision is compelling and is a true 'american dream.' Obama and his family background have a lot more in common with the hispanic community then McCain. McCain will be running even more right-wing as he tries to shore up conservative support and has to keep reminding his xenophobic base that he flip flopped and now supports border fences and all the other anti-immigrant policies. Im also certain Obama will have Bill Richardson (probably as secretary of state) in his cabinet and will announce that early, the way Bush let people know Colin Powell was going to be on his team.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 06/06/2008

The myth that Hispanics and Blacks have problems is one perpetuated by the MSM. The other day a Hispanic woman on the Chris Mathews sho, told him as much, when he tried to bring it up. Now that Hillary is finally out of the race, the older Hispanics that voted for the Clinton brand will go over to Obama. The younger people have always supported him. People with ancestors from Brazil, Dominican Republic, and some Cubans, etc have DNA from the African slaves that were brought there. They have and still do have the same struggles for equality that blacks have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 06/06/2008
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As a hispanic voter I wrote about this on these posts. Many hispanics will only vote Democratic regardless of the candidate. Why? Because we perceive the Republican party as having no compassion, no connection to the hispanic community. Only very wealthy hispanics(like my sister's Cuban husband) vote Republican.The Democratic party represents the party of opportunity for them.This talk about hispanics not voting for Obama was all speculation. Hispanics will never vote in big numbers for republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 06/06/2008
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Well, I think the hispanic population may be the reason, we got Bush, twice. It's nice to see them coming over to the light. They have been on the dark side, much too long, now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 06/06/2008
- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

It's the same thing for African Americans in the the US. Sure you have some that will vote Republican but it's very rare. Even those that are wealthy might not even do that. The no compassion, no connection to the community, no interest in causes, etc... are feelings I'm sure the African American community has toward the Republicans. Both communities tend to be treated the same by them which is which is why talk about Hispanics not voting for Obama or in big numbers for McCain is a bit crazy.

Bush lied to a LOT of people to get elected and I don't think people will fall for that again. Clinton had bigger name recognition then Obama and she used that to her advantage. That doesn't mean Hispanics won't vote for Sen. Obama in the general election though. It just means they preferred her to him but that doesn't mean they want McCain over a democrat.

The thing that might change this is if people aren't voting based on issues or are gullible or are voting based on some racial dislike (which is really stupid since what benefits one minority group tends to benefit all I think and you are really then voting against your own interest to a serious degree.).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 06/06/2008

John Kerry needs to go away. Totally sorry I voted for him in 04.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 06/06/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 86 fans permalink
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I'm sure it was more an anti-Bush vote than a pro-Kerry one.

I have nothing against John Kerry. I just wish we had had a stronger candidate than him to prevent this disastrous 2nd term.

However, if the end result is President Obama having huge majorities in Congress, then it will all be worth it in the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 06/06/2008
- jrterrier I'm a Fan of jrterrier 5 fans permalink

it's pitiful that the superdelegates handed the nomination to someone who is only "doing better."

"And what does it say of the Democratic delegate selection system when its winner would lose the presidency if an election were held today, yet its loser would win it?" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/opinion/06tyson.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 06/06/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 241 fans permalink
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Obama with 62% of Hispanic support right now, vs McCain with 29%? And you think that is pitiful? That's very amusing jrterrier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 06/06/2008
- dulcis I'm a Fan of dulcis 2 fans permalink

ok, time for you to get over it. Obama will win in November, are you sure you want to take it in the shorts twice? I can only say, that if you really are that sore about it, you are bringing it on yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 06/06/2008
- tjntn I'm a Fan of tjntn 5 fans permalink
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So jrterrier references an algorithm from astrophysicists (yeah, I read the link). OMG why don't we save a lot of time and money and ask the astrophysicists who we should nominate. The method in jrterrier's link used polling information of the last six weeks (does anyone think that maybe the split in the democratic party prior to Obama winning the candidacy might slant these polls?) and plugged it into an algorithm that gives close races or races with no polling information to the last winner. All I can say is - lets try out the algorithm in six weeks.

BTW, the latest CBS News poll conducted from May 30-June 3, with telephone interviews of 930 registered voters has Obama 48%, McCain 42% (margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points). I think after HRC comes out tomorrow and asks her supporters to get behind Obama, that difference will increase.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 06/06/2008

You mean you should have voted for the other guy??!! You have to be the only person I've heard of with that particular brand of buyer's remorse!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 06/06/2008
- KMKY I'm a Fan of KMKY 5 fans permalink

I am not sure if that is what mhoiles means, but I have to add that it isn't surprising that Obama is polling better than Kerry in any group. In fact, I am surprise it is even newsworthy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 06/06/2008
- jpcline004 I'm a Fan of jpcline004 11 fans permalink

is there any category he isn't hands down better than Kerry in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 06/06/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 86 fans permalink
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His wife isn't nearly as rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 06/06/2008
- jpcline004 I'm a Fan of jpcline004 11 fans permalink

haha good call. I forgot about the ketchup money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 06/06/2008
- yoli647 I'm a Fan of yoli647 12 fans permalink

Si es verdad, muchas gracias!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 06/06/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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de nada, yoli

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 06/06/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 151 fans permalink

What I want to know is, is a 50 state sweep possible? Right now, it looks like its going to be a cake walk.

Anyone else notice how dumb McCain is? We already had one President who, if not for his privileged upbring, would never have made it into a college, let alone graduated from one. Now McCain is offering us the chance to have that experience all over again. Just because these sons of privilege got themselves the GOP nomination (what a surprise), that doesn't mean we have to elect them to the presidency. My God, Bush and McCain both might be great guys to have a BBQ and a beer with, but they make absolutely awful commanders-in-chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 06/06/2008
- Wilbur I'm a Fan of Wilbur 25 fans permalink

There will be no cakewalk for Obama. What looks easy now will become difficult later, save for a major McCain Ma-Gaffe that even the biased, conservative MSM can't ignore. A 50-state sweep? What are you DRINKING or SMOKING, mamacat?? The Deep Southern states (Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, Carolinas, Louisiana) will NEVER vote for Obama or any Democrat, for that matter. Most of the rural Western states (Neb., Kansas, Oklahoma, Utah, Idaho and the Dakotas) are similar in their voting patterns, too. Plus, states like West Virginia and Michigan, which should be easy picks for the Dems, are polling GOP-ish with Obama at the top of the Dem ticket.

No offense intended, but those of you who are starry-eyed about BHO are going to get your comeuppances in a few months. Obama may win (and I hope he does), but it ain't gonna be easy.

Wilbur

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 06/06/2008
- tsloan I'm a Fan of tsloan 4 fans permalink

I agree.....there will be no cakewalk.....take nothing for granted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 06/06/2008
- McFlipFlop I'm a Fan of McFlipFlop 15 fans permalink
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I will take the bet, and predict a landslide for Obama. Here are the states and electoral votes, which add up to 348 electoral votes: California (55), New York (31), Pennsylvania (21), Illinois (21), Ohio (20), Michigan (17), North Carolina (15), New Jersey (15), Virginia (13), Massachusetts (12), Indiana (11), Missouri (11), Washington (11), Maryland (10), Minnesota (10), Wisconsin (10), Colorado (9), Oregon (7), Connecticut (7), Iowa (7), Nevada (5), New Mexico (5), New Hampshire (4), Hawaii (4), Maine (4), Rhode Island (4), Delaware (3), D.C. (3), and Vermont (3).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 06/06/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 241 fans permalink
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Obama will take some southern states, and other states that are red now. They are in play. Sorry to prick your bubble Wilbur. This will be very exciting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/06/2008
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Once the voters see the contrast between McCain and Obama, they will choose Obama. McCain only has experience( in some areaS) AND HIS MILITARY SERVICE. Other than that, he really is not an exciting candidate like Obama is. He is nowhere near his intelligence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 06/06/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

Why do so many people take delight in the idea of Obama's optimistic supporters being proved wrong? What is wrong about feeling hopeful and believing one's candidate is better than the average politician? Nothing ever gets better if one believes it's impossible for it to get better. Cynicism is not even realistic. It's just an excuse to make no attempt to make the world better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 06/06/2008
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Not that I think I am so intelligent, but I also don't think McCAin as intelligent. He may have street smarts but he sounds robotic and repetitive to me. I don't see why he would have a shot in this election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 06/06/2008

He may have been intelligent once, but the last 100 years have robbed him of his faculties. Another problem is that he lacks charisma and once he is on stage with Obama this will become even more obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 06/06/2008
- dulcis I'm a Fan of dulcis 2 fans permalink

mamacat, i love your optimism, but i can't forget the last time people said it would be a cake walk, before we invaded Iraq.

Let's put that talk away and get to work, i think it will be tough, but we will win!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 06/06/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 97 fans permalink

Also, Mrs. Clinton's campaign hired professional get out the vote people in the Hispanic community especially in South Texas. They call themselves politiqueras and they are apparently quite effective and considered part of the culture from what I've read. Barack Obama has not believed in paying people to get out the vote in Texas or Pennsylvania and in other places, but prefers volunteers. On the other hand, people in the communities say that in places like PA, a lot more Obama voters could have been activated if the street money had gone out. Maybe local money could be raised in places like Texas and PA if that is a local custom and if it works. I think I'd rather win this time around because too much is riding on it. If the state parties in the affected states started a fund for the purpose, and let everybody know about it, they might find that lots of us would donate a few bucks. In Philly, I guess the tab would have been $500,000 and less in Texas. If a third of Obama supporters gave a dollar or two, we'd have it covered. Somebody tickle your local parties tootsie on this subject?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 AM on 06/06/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 97 fans permalink

Muchas gracias mi amigas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 06/06/2008

I think the main thing with these groups in which he's had a weak showing is that other candidates had more name recognition at the time of the primary. Now that he's the one, he will be getting much more coverage from the msm, so people will come to recognize the name. That, combined with strong ground organizations in all fifty states may make this next presidential election a LANDSLIDE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 06/05/2008

This has been the constant stupid refrain of the media all spring.

Hillary beat Obama among (insert identity/ethnic group) OH MY GOD OBAMA HAS A (insert identity/ethnic group) PROBLEM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 06/06/2008
- Gemma08 I'm a Fan of Gemma08 11 fans permalink
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Thats worked for Obama. Clinton underestimated him. The MSM underestimated him.

Let's hope the GOP underestimate him too. In Appalachia especially.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 06/06/2008
- drblack I'm a Fan of drblack 19 fans permalink

Hispanics are stupid.Hispanics know that support for republicans is like asking to be locked up,shot,harassed and discriminated against.
Hispanics want respect and Freedom ;and because Hispanics are smart they support Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 06/05/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 97 fans permalink

I think by the rest of your post that you meant to say Hispanics aren't stupid. I'm sure that no offense was meant. It's just that the brain sometimes rushes ahead of the fingers and doesn't notice before we hit the publish button.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 AM on 06/06/2008
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I know, I was thinking wtfa and then the rest contradicted the obvious typo. Thanks b/c I was having a Mc crab moment(confused and irate)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 06/06/2008
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Hispanics like me know what the GOP stands for and will never vote republican.Great Old Pendejos see?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 06/06/2008
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