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Webb's Audition: Blasts McCain, Assesses Obama's Appalachia Problem

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June 5, 2008 10:15 AM


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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.


Jim Webb, one of Congress' fastest rising Democrats and a Senator believed to occupy a spot on Barack Obama's vice presidential short list, is slated to throw his support behind the Illinois Democrat on Thursday, introducing Obama at a rally in Bristol, Virginia.

And while the event is designed to help Obama appeal to a portion of the country -- Appalachia and, more specifically, Virginia -- that could prove crucial in the general election, in an interview Wednesday with The Huffington Post, Webb showed off the political attributes he brings to the national campaign table.

On several key domestic and foreign policy issues, the Virginia Democrat offered persuasive defenses of Obama, in the process taking swipes at his presumed Republican counterpart.

"John McCain's comment about Barack not having sat down recently with General Petreaus means nothing," Webb said. "If you know who to listen to, if you know how to make judgments, if you know how evaluate information, you can do that. I don't think Franklin Roosevelt was ever at the front in France during WWII in order to help end the war."

On the other major foreign policy debate of the day -- whether or not a president should talk to hostile foreign leaders -- Webb again offered up a historical defense.

"Under the right circumstances, you have to [talk to your enemies]," he said. "My model for Iran is China in 1971. China was a nuclear power, it was a rogue state, it had American war on its border with Vietnam, it was spouting the same kind of hostile rhetoric. We took none of our military options off the table, we abandoned none of our alliances, but we reached out in a aggressive way diplomatically to bring China into the world community."

Webb has stayed religiously neutral throughout the Democratic primary, but is seen as a natural complement to an Obama presidency. Beyond reaching a set of voters with whom the presumptive Democratic nominee has had difficulties (working class whites), the Virginia Democrat brings with him military and foreign policy experience, and the ability to say he was against the Iraq war (as well as the first Persian Gulf War) before it was launched.

"You don't want to be an occupying power in that part of the world," he said. "It flames the tensions."

There are, of course, some red flags. The Senator has been a critic of the Democratic Party in the past, having previously served in the Reagan administration but never in an overtly political capacity. Moreover, his appeal to female voters is complicated by past remarks he made questioning the promotion of females at the U.S. Naval Academy and referring to the investigation into the Navy's "Tailhook" sexual harassment scandal as a "witch hunt" -- statements for which he has apologized.

But Webb has also shown that he can win a race with these albatrosses hanging around his neck. And when asked how he responded to the issues being re-raised in a vice-presidential context, and what kind of advice he could offer Obama for the inevitable character attacks, he brushed the topic away.

"Barack Obama has a year and a half now of constant exposure to this sort of mentality," he said. "Scott McLellan talked about the kind of campaign culture. It is a nasty world. The rest of it is just stuff. The Karl Rove mentality is to try and attack you at your greatest strength and then try to show that you are not like the people voting for you. Those are the two major things that they do. And they tried five or six different things in my campaign. And I just had to write it off."

Perhaps the most complicated argument for choosing (or not choosing) Webb as a VP is his bluntness. Several weeks ago, as he was promoting his new book "A Time To Fight" the Senator raised eyebrows over his diagnosis of Obama's problems in Appalachia. Instead of offering the usual political platitudes, he spoke candidly about how the issue was not one of entrenched racism, but rather a backlash to the belief that affirmative action programs had been expanded to every disadvantaged group except low-income whites.

"It is pretty obvious that there are a lot of people, a preponderance of people, who were comfortable with the notion of affirmative action for African Americans," Webb elaborated. "Then affirmative action kind of grew into a diversity program for basically all ethnic minorities. I think that's when you started seeing a reaction among people who were less advantaged among white voters..."

Here too, however, the Senator had a plan. "The Republicans know how to appeal to this cultural group, the Democrats don't even know they exist," he said, referencing an Wall Street Journal op-ed he penned in 2004. "But if you can get the rural whites in this country at the same table as African Americans, it would be good for American politics. I think Barack Obama has the potential to do this."

 
 

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- EarthToZoey See Profile I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey

My gosh, am I the only one that can't see the impending mudsling that an Obama/Webb ticket would conjure? Lest we forget Webb wrote a scathing article entitled "Why Women Can't Fight" espousing the sexist idea that women should not be allowed in the military. Being a woman who stood on the front lines for our country in Afghanistan, I would be EXTREMELY displeased with Webb on the ticket. Maybe it is personal for me, but I can see many other women (and men) who could see the potential backfire if Clinton is passed over for Webb.

My personal favorite is Richardson, but there are others still far better than Webb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 06/11/2008
- issuesvoter See Profile I'm a Fan of issuesvoter

There are far more women in this country than blacks. This is not a diversity issue, this is a women's issue. The young women who may lose the hard won right of abortion if McCain is elected will just have "get over it" as so many of you say. That will be their penalty for abandoning Hillary is this fight and voting for a "good speaker" with no major experience. I DO NOT want Hillary as Vice President as she would have no clout and could not use her skills to better things in this country. BO is not the answer ............even though he has secured the nomination. I will now vote (and work for) the election of John McCain. We need experience more than fancy words with no substance to back them up. And I would rather have had a womanizer spouse in the white house than an overt racist one, with a pastor who preached to him for 20 years (until he saw the 'political danger light" and resigned. Nuff sed. I will continue to work and vote for the local and state Democrats as they have earned my vote. (PS since I am laid off I am not a 'rich old white woman" and cannot contribute much to anyones campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 06/10/2008
- jdkjdk See Profile I'm a Fan of jdkjdk

If Sen. Webb, Gov. Kaine, and fmr Gov M. Warner (running for Sen) can't help deliver VA in their current positions, then adding Webb to the ticket isn't going to add a single thing to the ticket, except to continue the delusion that adding "a Southerner" is what the Democratic Party needs. Gore couldn't win TN and Edwards added nothing.

The reason that VA is in play is because it is less like the South. For goodness sakes, it elected a Catholic as Governer in Kaine and almost two decades earlier elected Wilder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/09/2008
- ChristopherLib See Profile I'm a Fan of ChristopherLib

I say no thanks on Webb. First of all do you want two freshmen senators on a ticket? Second it's the best choice for Republicans that want to exploit the emotions of Hillary's female support. On a loop ad after ad they would talk about the sexist things he wrote 30 years ago about women in the military, or about the offensive things he's said about Tailhook, and probably there's other things they'll find we don't know yet. Women are going to think, so he didn't pick Hillary so he could pick some sexist macho military guy? Might not be fair, but that's what it is.

Want someone from Virginia the best choice by far is probably Mark Warner. Even though he's running for the senate VP might be too good for him to refuse. He Webb's moderateness and appeal to white working class voters, and also has executive experience and not the sexist baggage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 06/08/2008
- janmB See Profile I'm a Fan of janmB

Taking nominations for VP = No real experience necesary.

Obama was nominated and has held no real-job and has no real experience and got nominated ---so YES YOU CAN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 AM on 06/10/2008
- obamajusrocks See Profile I'm a Fan of obamajusrocks

I'm getting real fed up with all these women thinking the world owes them something.
Come on ladies it's a free world and may the best candidates win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 06/09/2008
- benne See Profile I'm a Fan of benne

Good luck with that. Women voted in record numbers: if some of us stay home, Barry will lose. I am staying home unless Hillary is put on the ticket as she deserves. I'm not alone. Bye, Bye, Barry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 06/08/2008
- janmB See Profile I'm a Fan of janmB

BENNE --- I'm staying home too if Hillary isn't on the ticket.

Sure-- I'm full of resentment. and let them call us want they want. What more insulting remarks at this point can be made anyway---Hillary took it on the chin------ so YES WE CAN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 AM on 06/10/2008
- pithy See Profile I'm a Fan of pithy
Moderator's Pick

HuffPost's Pick

As a woman, my goals are a country and a planet that works for my children and grandchildren.

I had the luxury of growing up in a land of opportunity, and that is disappearing before my eyes.

There is no way to justify being spiteful and stamping your foot in a pique of rage because your candidate didn't win and was treated unfairly by the media.

MY candidate was originally John Edwards, and believe me, HIllary got way better media coverage than my guy did.

Be disappointed, take time to get over it and then get back with us to straighten out the mess left by the GOP.

Your children are counting on you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 06/09/2008
- Ihaveadream See Profile I'm a Fan of Ihaveadream

I also was an Edwards supporter at the beginning and I second all pithy's comments. Go ahead and stay home or GROW UP and get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 06/09/2008
- spiderbucket See Profile I'm a Fan of spiderbucket

OK, then let McBush pick the Supreme Court, dumbass. You think women will benefit from THAT ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 06/09/2008
- obamajusrocks See Profile I'm a Fan of obamajusrocks

STAY HOME ! Please !
Enough of your ignorant, mindless blackmail.
Your bloc is no longer relevant with the millions of new voters registering. So either join the movement or put up and shut up !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 06/09/2008
- diego777 See Profile I'm a Fan of diego777

look at me, i'm so bitter, i'm going to vote McSame to spite 'Barry', then i'll boo hoo again once McBush appoints a justice who overturns a woman's right to choose, and demolishes our civil liberties (even more)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 06/09/2008
- fiberoptimist See Profile I'm a Fan of fiberoptimist

Webb might make a good V.P., but I don't think it's a good strategic choice. He needs to stay in the Senate and keep a lock on VA. Remember, he only one by a hair. I think two 1st term senators on the ticket is also a weakness that could be too easily exploited.

I personally like Chris Dodd. He's a true statesman, and has the legislative creds to boot.

Just for fun - how about Rep. Keith Ellison, Dem., Mn. - the first Muslim to serve in the U.S. Congress! It would fun to see Bill O's head explode!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 06/08/2008
- ianrthorpe See Profile I'm a Fan of ianrthorpe

The Democrats are going to have to find someone better than this to talk up Obama's foreign policy skills. After that slip about Jerusalem still being the capital of Israel at the end of his Presidency he is starting to make Bush look well -informed.

http://greenteeth.blog.co.uk/2008/06/06/if-mccain-is-bush-lite-is-obama-bush-plu-4281372

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 06/08/2008
- Rasaria See Profile I'm a Fan of Rasaria

Webb's comments about Appalachia are eye-brow raising only to liberal elite, inside the beltway types. Anyone who has spent time in the South knows that there much more in common between poor Blacks and poor in Whites in this country than poor Whites and and the Bill Gates', Warren Buffetts and the hedge fund crowd. Maybe the media will pick up on this eyebrow raiser and start drawing parallels instead of polarizing. Maybe we we'll end up having a conversation about income distribution and how Republican tax policies have been favoring wealthy people of all classes to the disadvantage of all poor people. Maybe we'll have a discussion about how our tax policy favors multinationals corporations over small businesses. Maybe we'll end up having a conversation about why poor mothers black and white don't have adequate child care. Maybe we'll actually have a conversation about substance.

As for the Tailhook comments, do we really think that John McCain will be a better advocate women's rights?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 06/08/2008
- dizmo4 See Profile I'm a Fan of dizmo4

Webb' would make an excellent VP choice but for the :"Tailhook" comments. That doomed him. Obama will have a difficult enough winning over Hillary supporters--supporters that believe that on some level misogyny cost Hillary the nomination. The absolute most important voting block for Obama to win over are women. Women make up the vast majority of voters in this country. Winning over the blue collar woman -- waitresses, store clerks, etc in addition to suburban women gives Obama a lock on Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan. Probably brings him Indiana and Missouri also. Obama simply can not do anything to further anger or alienate these women.

That said, i think Webb's analysis is spot on. He's said that the solution to the "Appalachia problem" is to simply sit down in a diner, talk to the folks about whatever is on their mind. Do the town hall meetings and listen to their concerns. Obama needs to be honest and go further than he has in explaining how he's not in any way like Rev. Wright. Obama has a tremendous life story that they can relate to very easily. HE just needs to go into those small towns in Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana and tell his story. You'll see his problem with this voting block disappear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 06/08/2008
- Jonni Rae See Profile I'm a Fan of Jonni Rae

I had to wonder why, in his introduction of Barack in VA, he brought up the assasinations of the sixties and the riots in WAshington DC, as well as the 68 democratic convention, with students and police clashing. Obama seemed to be wondering too, as he listened. What was the purpose? To frighten people? This was an introduction!!! Also, at the end of the event, Obama put his arm around Webb and he shrugged it off. I do not trust this guy to be VP. He has many strengths, and has shown them in the Senate, where he should stay!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 06/08/2008
- speakingtruth2power See Profile I'm a Fan of speakingtruth2power


We need strong leaders in the Senate and VP is waste to give up Webb there

as long as Obama is there to lead US. The best person to rely on to carry the

programs forward and not backslide in a return to corporatism is Richardson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 06/08/2008
- speakingtruth2power See Profile I'm a Fan of speakingtruth2power


I'm not anxious to have Barack going from city to town, exposing himself

to every gun toting redneck, trying to prove what most can divine from TV.

I understand the need to appear before people, especially for a rock star

but having lived through the sixties, I am a little gun shy. We've had forty

years of phony conservatism because we lost four leaders of liberalism.

One wacko w/ a plan & we're back to choosing between two war lovers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/08/2008
- SSF See Profile I'm a Fan of SSF

What a fantastic choice Senator Webb would make for Democratic Vice President! A Conservative Democrat who would compliment Obamas' more Progressive message. A decorated war hero and a very skilled politician who has a lot of crossover appeal with Republicans; a good working partner for Obama as he reaches out across the political aisle to build consensus on the issues of the day. Senator Webb has broad appeal to key groups such as disaffected Republicans, conservative Independents, working-class Whites and Security Moms, amongst others. A good V.P. pick!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 06/07/2008
- metogamekun See Profile I'm a Fan of metogamekun

Race and gender are taking a back seat to economic stratification as a dividing element in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 06/07/2008
- Mitchell4A See Profile I'm a Fan of Mitchell4A

Webb can help Obama win: a military guy, who is something of a populist, with blue collar appeal. He has been a dogged opponent of the Iraq War, and he shares with Obama the loneliness of the long distance writer. Obama strategist David Axelrod recently said that, "the primary characteristic Mr. Obama would look for in a vice president was someone with whom he was extremely comfortable" (New York Observer, May 13th). Webb seems to fit the bill here also.

This is not to say that there aren't issues.

"It's Going to be Webb for VP, probably"
http://msa4.wordpress.com/page/2/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 06/07/2008
- newshawk14 See Profile I'm a Fan of newshawk14

I caught Jim Webb on Tim Russert's show this Saturday afternoon, and he is damned impressive,
and would probably make a fine VP. Unfortunately, he has made some very negative statements,
about women in the military earlier in his career, and would probably have to emasculate himself,
to be acceptable as a candidate for VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/07/2008
- Doofus See Profile I'm a Fan of Doofus

I watched that also, and Webb was very impressive.
'On his best behavior' maybe, but he did very well.
Now, if he can deliver VA, and WV, and KT, and IN...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 06/08/2008
- dizmo4 See Profile I'm a Fan of dizmo4

I agree, democratic women voter are already angered by Obama's nomination. It will be tough enough to bring in Hillary's core supporters, even with her help. The last thing Obama needs is to put someone on the ticket with even a hint of insensitivity toward women. I think the tail hook comments Webb made, doomed him as a VP choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/07/2008
- RedWilma See Profile I'm a Fan of RedWilma

I could forgive him and I'm an ardent feminist. Men have evolved, just as women have during this past century. Maybe if we saw good votes on women's issues and some senior women staffers . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 06/08/2008
- newshawk14 See Profile I'm a Fan of newshawk14

I agree with your analysis, but also find myself puzzled by the rage of Hillary
supporters, he simply ran a better campaign, and one that was much less
personal and negative. He won fair and square. The press went overboard
on aspects of both their campaigns, and I for one didn't feel a huge bias in
either direction, other than a penchant for anything sensational.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 06/08/2008
- littleblackcat See Profile I'm a Fan of littleblackcat

Hold on a second, diz! Only SOME democratic women are angry about Obama's win. If you look at the postings of littleblackcat you'll see my positions. I have been for Obama from the beginning and gotten pretty severe with some of my contemporaries for their reasons for supporting HRC and have been bluntly harsh about those who threaten to vote for mcinsane out of spite. Sadly, NO ONE needs supporters who have no better brains than to do something like that. As far as Webb, I agree about the Tailhook remarks and the millstone this would put around Obama's neck. mcinsane would be foaming at the mouth in pseudo-indignation, screaming about disrespect of women at every chance. All this from someone who treats his wives like dirt, but then, that's a repukelican for you. It really is too bad Jim Webb let his mouth get the better of his mind back a few years ago. He really is a tough, smart, great choice in every other aspect. During the Tailhook situation, I had plenty to say about Webb and none of it was good. Pity some men fail to put brain in gear before releasing clutch on mouth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/08/2008
- ExposingCommunists See Profile I'm a Fan of ExposingCommunists

The One Issue Candidate? Are you crazy? What else but Iraq can this man talk about?

Do the Dems/Obama have a SLOGAN DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THEY COME UP WITH WHEN THEY ARE ATTACKED?

The Dems 2006 SLOGAN, GIVEN TO THEM BY THE COMMUNIST PARTY USA, "TIME FOR A CHANGE" WAS ONLY A SLOGAN SINCE THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESS HAVE LOWER APPROVAL RATING THAN THE DUMBEST PRESIDENT EVER!

Didn't they say they would lower gas prices and get the troops out of Iraq? We have record gas prices and more troops went to Iraq? CHANGE? They need to CHANGE their diapers because they are full of it!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 06/07/2008
- partyofone See Profile I'm a Fan of partyofone

Webb has major administrative and military experience. He can stand toe to toe as a soldier with McCain

Obama/Webb 08 unbeatable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/07/2008
- HamletsMill See Profile I'm a Fan of HamletsMill