Webb's Audition: Blasts McCain, Assesses Obama's Appalachia Problem

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First Posted: 06- 5-08 10:15 AM   |   Updated: 06-13-08 05:12 AM

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Jim Webb, one of Congress' fastest rising Democrats and a Senator believed to occupy a spot on Barack Obama's vice presidential short list, is slated to throw his support behind the Illinois Democrat on Thursday, introducing Obama at a rally in Bristol, Virginia.

And while the event is designed to help Obama appeal to a portion of the country -- Appalachia and, more specifically, Virginia -- that could prove crucial in the general election, in an interview Wednesday with The Huffington Post, Webb showed off the political attributes he brings to the national campaign table.

On several key domestic and foreign policy issues, the Virginia Democrat offered persuasive defenses of Obama, in the process taking swipes at his presumed Republican counterpart.

"John McCain's comment about Barack not having sat down recently with General Petreaus means nothing," Webb said. "If you know who to listen to, if you know how to make judgments, if you know how evaluate information, you can do that. I don't think Franklin Roosevelt was ever at the front in France during WWII in order to help end the war."

On the other major foreign policy debate of the day -- whether or not a president should talk to hostile foreign leaders -- Webb again offered up a historical defense.

"Under the right circumstances, you have to [talk to your enemies]," he said. "My model for Iran is China in 1971. China was a nuclear power, it was a rogue state, it had American war on its border with Vietnam, it was spouting the same kind of hostile rhetoric. We took none of our military options off the table, we abandoned none of our alliances, but we reached out in a aggressive way diplomatically to bring China into the world community."

Webb has stayed religiously neutral throughout the Democratic primary, but is seen as a natural complement to an Obama presidency. Beyond reaching a set of voters with whom the presumptive Democratic nominee has had difficulties (working class whites), the Virginia Democrat brings with him military and foreign policy experience, and the ability to say he was against the Iraq war (as well as the first Persian Gulf War) before it was launched.

"You don't want to be an occupying power in that part of the world," he said. "It flames the tensions."

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There are, of course, some red flags. The Senator has been a critic of the Democratic Party in the past, having previously served in the Reagan administration but never in an overtly political capacity. Moreover, his appeal to female voters is complicated by past remarks he made questioning the promotion of females at the U.S. Naval Academy and referring to the investigation into the Navy's "Tailhook" sexual harassment scandal as a "witch hunt" -- statements for which he has apologized.

But Webb has also shown that he can win a race with these albatrosses hanging around his neck. And when asked how he responded to the issues being re-raised in a vice-presidential context, and what kind of advice he could offer Obama for the inevitable character attacks, he brushed the topic away.

"Barack Obama has a year and a half now of constant exposure to this sort of mentality," he said. "Scott McLellan talked about the kind of campaign culture. It is a nasty world. The rest of it is just stuff. The Karl Rove mentality is to try and attack you at your greatest strength and then try to show that you are not like the people voting for you. Those are the two major things that they do. And they tried five or six different things in my campaign. And I just had to write it off."

Perhaps the most complicated argument for choosing (or not choosing) Webb as a VP is his bluntness. Several weeks ago, as he was promoting his new book "A Time To Fight" the Senator raised eyebrows over his diagnosis of Obama's problems in Appalachia. Instead of offering the usual political platitudes, he spoke candidly about how the issue was not one of entrenched racism, but rather a backlash to the belief that affirmative action programs had been expanded to every disadvantaged group except low-income whites.

"It is pretty obvious that there are a lot of people, a preponderance of people, who were comfortable with the notion of affirmative action for African Americans," Webb elaborated. "Then affirmative action kind of grew into a diversity program for basically all ethnic minorities. I think that's when you started seeing a reaction among people who were less advantaged among white voters..."

Here too, however, the Senator had a plan. "The Republicans know how to appeal to this cultural group, the Democrats don't even know they exist," he said, referencing an Wall Street Journal op-ed he penned in 2004. "But if you can get the rural whites in this country at the same table as African Americans, it would be good for American politics. I think Barack Obama has the potential to do this."

Jim Webb, one of Congress' fastest rising Democrats and a Senator believed to occupy a spot on Barack Obama's vice presidential short list, is slated to throw his support behind the Illinois Democrat ...
Jim Webb, one of Congress' fastest rising Democrats and a Senator believed to occupy a spot on Barack Obama's vice presidential short list, is slated to throw his support behind the Illinois Democrat ...
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- SiberianRat I'm a Fan of SiberianRat 138 fans permalink
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I'm pretty impressed with Webb (and have been) because, like Obama, he doesn't engage in a lot of the political b.s. that has weighed our country down for so long. I remember watching with great interest as the returns came back on the eve of his election. I think Obama will pick the right person, and he has assembled a great search team. I think Webb will have a significant contribution to make to the Obama Administration in some capacity, VP or otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 06/05/2008
- pcplz I'm a Fan of pcplz 7 fans permalink
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This is all I need to know about Webb: (from TheHill.com)

At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing.

Webb responded that he really wanted to see his son brought back home, said a person who heard about the exchange from Webb.

“I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing,” Bush retorted, according to the source.

Webb confessed that he was so angered by this that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief, reported the source, but of course didn’t. It’s safe to say, however, that Bush and Webb won’t be taking any overseas trips together anytime soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/05/2008
- Arly I'm a Fan of Arly permalink

For someone whom the author touts as having foreign policy "experience", whatever that means, Mr. Webb's comments regarding 1971 USA-China posturing demonstrate that his historical and political knowledge of Asia and China are woefully inadequate...don't call us, we'll call you...NEXT RESUME PLEASE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 06/05/2008
- RumiSouth I'm a Fan of RumiSouth 34 fans permalink
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What, Kissinger going to China wasn't "aggressive diplomacy?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 06/05/2008

Arly, you asked what does foreign policy experience mean? Well someone who has had to carry out foreign policy, as a diplomat, foreign service officer or had to work as a foreign affairs professional like CIA analysts, foreign service officers again or as a foreign affairs bureaucrat, apparatchik, etc. etc.

What does military experience mean? Same thing. Obama has foreign policy experience but hire the professionals or seek their guidance.....he already has. He has Biden on his side for example. Biden is very experienced in foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 06/05/2008
- Brillig I'm a Fan of Brillig 11 fans permalink

And you are??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/06/2008
- huffposeur I'm a Fan of huffposeur 23 fans permalink

webb makes sense in his observations about appalachia. check out his next most recent book, "BORN FIGHTING- HOW THE SCOTS-IRISH SHAPED AMERICA"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 06/05/2008
- Keith52 I'm a Fan of Keith52 39 fans permalink
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I think Webb is also a great choice. There are many great choices in the party. I can't wait to see what Barack does!!! It's amazing to see the great talent in this party. I think Brarack can bring out the best in them all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 06/05/2008

Obama is speaking now and I have no doubt: Webb is the VP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 06/05/2008
- Probus I'm a Fan of Probus 9 fans permalink
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I don't think that Webb a former republican is a good choice for VP. There are plenty of good choices out there and he is not one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 06/05/2008
- bryan0218 I'm a Fan of bryan0218 5 fans permalink

I agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/05/2008
- socks1 I'm a Fan of socks1 2 fans permalink

I agree, plus his vote is needed in Congress and there is a big chance that his state wouldn't vote in another Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 06/05/2008
- NorVaGal I'm a Fan of NorVaGal 13 fans permalink

Perhaps you're right about Webb's appropriateness as VP. However, I am forever indebted to him for defying the Bush Admin and bringing a much needed push for re-evaluation of US involvement in the Iraq war, and other foreign policy issues.

I don't want to lose our VA senator, anyway. I'm hoping he'll stay right where he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 06/05/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 40 fans permalink

Try to expand your horizons. New politics, remember? Obama even said he would consider Republicans for his Cabinet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 06/05/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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Looks like *somebody* still wants to be on that Short List after all!

I don't think that 'Angry White Guy' persona is actually going to
work that well for US. Somebody old like Bob Graham, or young
like Evan Bayh, maybe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 06/05/2008
- nyobserver I'm a Fan of nyobserver 2 fans permalink

I concur with Bayh. I don't think Webb will pull HRC's largest group of supporters at the moment: women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/05/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 40 fans permalink

Nothing is going to please Hillary supporters short of declaring her president for life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 06/05/2008

Her die-hard supporters don't care about helping women in general, they only care about helping her. Remember, these are the ones who threaten to vote for the dude who would dedicate himself to overturning Roe v. Wade, and state that it would be an insult to have any other woman near the ticket. Then they call themselves feminists and whine about sexism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 06/06/2008

Evan Bayh did some dirty things to Obama while helping Hillary at the Ballot box in Indiana. I mistrust traitors. Best to leave those over enthusiastic officials like Bayh, Rendell, Nutter and (Tubbs-Ohio???) on the outside looking in. They need a long vacation from O's sight and to rethink their value systems. Those were dirty cheating times and all highly unnecessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 06/05/2008

I think this would be the right thing to do, period. All poor people no matter what the race, should have an opportunity to survive and thrive here in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 06/05/2008

IMHO... the VP does little to bring blocks of voters...
Who Obama chooses will be someone who has the same vision for the nation that he does.. it will be someone who will work diligently for that vision... I believe that an Obama Vice Presidency will have more power than is usually equated with a VP (Cheney excluded... that guy was the "real" president)....
I trust him to make the best choice and I can hardly wait till he announces his running mate.. it's fun to speculate but he will take his own counsel on this decision as it is the most important decision at the start of his campaign... I know that he will make a wise choice and a choice that we all will be able to support.... yah.. I'm drunk on that Kool-Aid.... I wish I had bosses like Obama during my career... I think that we can ALL take note of how he conducts his life and his campaign...
OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 06/05/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 49 fans permalink
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Very interesting comments regarding Webb and his relationships with women. I'm afraid that this would disqualify him. Obama is wanting to set a tone of integrity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 06/05/2008
- midtown I'm a Fan of midtown 36 fans permalink

His relationships with women? We dont even know what they are. And saying something 20 years ago doesn't count as any wife or girlfriend can tell you.

By this thinking rabid right-wing extremist radio host Michael Savage is a left-winger. Twenty years ago Michael Savage acted, thought, and said the direct opposite of what he does now. Does that mean the today Michael Savage doesn't count?

If you're going to dip into the past for proof, bring your brains along with you. Examine in context. Interpret with the proper historical coordinates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 06/05/2008
- Bambaya I'm a Fan of Bambaya 4 fans permalink
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This is definitely a good thinking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 06/05/2008
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i'm a low income white of irish decent and i have to tell all of you people just have to hear obama and most change there minds i only speak from experience most of my friends say there going to vote dem so i hope that webb just keeps talking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 06/05/2008
- deapthrowt I'm a Fan of deapthrowt 3 fans permalink

I heard him and he totally creeped me out. This guy is a phony and a one-speech pony. You forget he was dropping in the polls and lost most of the last contests. The more you know him, the less there is to like about him. You need to seriously re-evalutate your Kool-Aid consumption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 06/05/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 40 fans permalink

You need to seriously "re-evalutate" your spelling skills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 06/05/2008
- ccrnjr I'm a Fan of ccrnjr 2 fans permalink

The Human Cost of Occupation

American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 4084
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) ) 3945
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3623
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3225 Since Election (1/31/05): 2647
American Wounded Official 30329
Daily DoD Casualty Release
320,000 Vets Have Brain Injuries

This is important, not that way over used expression about drinking Kool-aid. This is why American is in the mess it is in--people thinking about stupid things like style of speech. How many more troops have to die in Iraq before people stop being ignorant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 06/05/2008

Yeah thats why my son and his army buddies have $25.00 a month tacken out of their saleries to go to Obamas campain.He was RIGHT on the war in Iraq. wants universal health care and is for the new G.I.bill!If thats coolaid give me more!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 06/06/2008

I like him. And he's right about white voters and affirmative action. Affirmative action has not damaged whites as many believe it has, but this is the thinking the candidates need to take into account. This is the fear that so many Republican candidates have tapped into, have exploited for their own benefit. It has been fed by the GOP, and must be addressed by our party if we are to succeed in uniting America. Clearly, what is really needed is a commitment to getting low income people--all low income people--a better education and more job opportunities. People need good jobs and the guarantee that their children will get an education that prepares them for what they want to do. Voters will rally around a candidate if they believe he will make this happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/05/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 49 fans permalink
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I'd love to see John Edwards as Attorney General. Wouldn't that get all of the insurance companies quaking in their boots!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 06/05/2008

And then, when that first opening occurs on the Supreme Court....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 06/05/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 55 fans permalink

That's not really the role of the Attorney General.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 06/05/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 644 fans permalink
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plus, he seems committed to bringing charges against the Neo-Con War Criminals

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 06/05/2008
- nexus1961 I'm a Fan of nexus1961 5 fans permalink

It's an interesting idea... if Webb & Obama can
get inner-city blacks, & Ozark poor whites on the same page.. that could be the
end of Republican power..as race-baiting divisivness has been in the top 5 Repub.
play-calls since the '50's.
Losing that block of low-income whites (About TIME they saw which side the bread's buttered!)
would give the right-wing two groups only... evangelical christians, and Wall-street business
conservatives.
WHAT A GREAT PLAN!!!
Go Webb!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 06/05/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 49 fans permalink
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Careful. Do not stereotype them as all being poor or racist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/05/2008

Go Webb - Great possible VP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 06/05/2008
- deapthrowt I'm a Fan of deapthrowt 3 fans permalink

It is easy to pander to the inner city blacks, the Ozark poor whites - just promise them huge government checks for continuing to do nothing but complain. You don't need a VP for that. Obama could run Chuckie Cheese as VP along with a blank check and a direct pipeline to the governement piggy trough if all he wants are these votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/05/2008
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It appears that you have the inside track on doing nothing but complaining. You are a masterful complainer and a dandy bigot. I've read your profile, and I'm nearly convinced that your wisdom is only matched by your charm.

And did you adopt your screen name as an homage to your prison nickname, perchance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 06/05/2008

I think you need a hug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 06/05/2008

Yep, it was in Bristol. Not far from where I live.
Here in Appy, the secret to getting votes is providing proper incentives to the voters.
I like my pork rinds bbq and my cigs menthol. Oh yeah, and a 12 of PBR. It worked for Ben, why not Barry?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 06/05/2008
- MoeB I'm a Fan of MoeB 56 fans permalink

LOL...hilarious. Let me just add that as a black man from the midwest, I like my pork rinds hot, my cigs menthol also (who says we have nothing in common?!!), and well, I went to college in rural Indiana, so let's just say I'll drink anything just about...and yes, I'm a fan of the Pabst.

I like Webb. Contrary to this article, I like the fact that he is rather blunt about obvious things. Poor whites ARE concerned that they are being overlooked. It leads to resentment and finger pointing. I also think that many issues blacks face now as obstacles are more about poverty than race. Oddly enough, I don't think that poor whites and blacks are that far apart. They just don't realize it because they've been pitted against each other for quite some time.

My negative with him is that he isn't pro-choice. How do women feel about that? Would you all support a president who was pro-choice, but his VP was pro-life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 06/05/2008

I think that they could agree to disagree on a couple of issues and still work together to help build a great administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 06/05/2008
- Kache I'm a Fan of Kache 34 fans permalink
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If Barack appoints Hillary to the Supreme Court she'll still be there in 8 years when it's the VP's turn. The President has no other way to influence the question of Roe/Wade. It's like asking if the candidate favors Apple or Windows - the answer really doesn't matter. Abortion is a Constitutional issue, and we are NOT going to have an amendment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 06/05/2008
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