Pentagon Told Guantanamo Interrogators To Trash Evidence

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MICHAEL MELIA | June 8, 2008 09:32 PM EST | AP

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In this image reviewed by the U.S. Military, the sun rises over Camp Delta detention compound which has housed foreign prisoners since 2002, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base, in Cuba, Friday, June 6, 2008. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, Pool)

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — The Pentagon urged interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to destroy handwritten notes in case they were called to testify about potentially harsh treatment of detainees, a military defense lawyer said Sunday.

The lawyer for Toronto-born Omar Khadr, Lt. Cmdr. William Kuebler, said the instructions were included in an operations manual shown to him by prosecutors and suggest the U.S. deliberately thwarted evidence that could help terror suspects defend themselves at trial.

Kuebler said the apparent destruction of evidence prevents him from challenging the reliability of any alleged confessions. He said he will use the document to seek a dismissal of charges against Khadr.

A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, said he was reviewing the matter Sunday evening.

The "standard operating procedures" manual that contained the purported instructions was made available to Kuebler last week as part of a pretrial review of potential evidence, the Navy lawyer said.

"The mission has legal and political issues that may lead to interrogators being called to testify, keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimize certain legal issues," the document is quoted as saying in an affidavit signed by Kuebler.

The document could support challenges by other detainees to suppress confessions at Guantanamo, where the U.S. military says it plans to prosecute as many as 80 of roughly 270 detainees before the first U.S. war-crimes tribunals since World War II.

The case against Khadr, who was captured in Afghanistan when he was 15, is on track to be one of the first to trial. He faces war-crimes charges including murder for allegedly throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. Special Forces soldier during a 2002 firefight.

Kuebler said the nature of the interrogations is particularly relevant in Khadr's case because prosecutors are relying on evidence "extracted" from him at Bagram air base in Afghanistan and at Guantanamo.

"If handwritten notes were destroyed in accordance with the SOP, the government intentionally deprived Omar's lawyers of key evidence with which to challenge the reliability of his statements," Kuebler said in an e-mail to reporters.

The operations manual, which dates to January 2003, was attached to a 2005 report on an investigation into detainee abuse allegations at Guantanamo, Kuebler said. A summary of the findings was released at the time, but the defense lawyer said the section including the manual has not been made available publicly.

The so-called Schmidt-Furlow report documented degrading treatment, including one instance of a top terror suspect forced to dance with another man and behave like a dog. But investigators stopped short of saying torture occurred.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — The Pentagon urged interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to destroy handwritten notes in case they were called to testify about potentially harsh treatment of detainees, a mili...
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- dotmafia I'm a Fan of dotmafia 44 fans permalink
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Great article on the John McCain and Jack Abramoff connection:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00097.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 06/09/2008
- GingerB I'm a Fan of GingerB 82 fans permalink
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THANKS so much! One of the dailykos.com bloggers wrote extensively about this, but I haven't been able to track it down.

There's so much dirt on McCain which needs to be exposed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 06/09/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 330 fans permalink
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Whatever happened to our Warrior Princess Thalia?
Is she out campaigning for M.c.C.a.i.­n?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 06/09/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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Heh...

She's been around but I forget her new i.d.; must've lost Danbury, too...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 06/09/2008
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Thalia = Dadbury

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 06/09/2008
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Danbury got scrubbed. Have you seen her in a new incarnation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 06/09/2008
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She decamped to MyDD and was posting as Juno.

Now that the Big O has won, she may have descended into a fugue state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 06/09/2008
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Interesting! Did you spot her because of the blatant hypocrisy in every comment, or was it the whining about O'bama supporters that gave her away?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 06/09/2008

Selling all her blue GAP dresses on FleaBay

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 06/09/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 266 fans permalink

A long time ago, I was working with a local ADA on corruption and mismanagement in a county agency. Things began to grind to a slow halt. When I saw him on another matter, I asked if he planned to pursue the issue. He responded, seemingly numbed and overwhelmed, "There's SO much corruption­."

When the offenses are so extreme and so numerous, their effect on the mind is not unlike the saturation of a hillside by incessant rain... eventually, there's a mudslide that obscures all the landscape details, and people -- out of sheer exhaustion -- just want to recover and rebuild.

It's unfortunate, but Goebbels was right.

Then again, maybe some ambitious, upstart prosecutor at The Hague...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 06/09/2008
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 56 fans permalink
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If The Decider was doing anything illegal, the Dems would take the appropriate legal action to hold him accountable because they're the accountability people and do nothing improper. They don't because he's done nothing wrong.

End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 06/09/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 21 fans permalink

Excuse me but what planet are you living on??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 06/09/2008
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Beel lives on Planet Snark, in the land of Satire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 06/09/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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Welcome to Beelzel World; more entertaining than even Bizzaro World ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 06/09/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 636 fans permalink
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Its hard to argue with the logic, why don't dems do something ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 06/09/2008

Misanthropic Troll, in the insipid gallaxy..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 06/09/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 266 fans permalink

Now that the lights are finally on, these insects look even funnier, still scurrying around as if the darkness has them covered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 06/09/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 131 fans permalink
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They dont because Pelosi and Reed kiss Bush's backside so much his arse is purple with hickeys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 06/09/2008
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Show us one instance where Pelosi or Reid (I think you meant) have caved in to Bush? Just one please, as a good faith gesture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/09/2008
- sawbuck I'm a Fan of sawbuck 10 fans permalink

Or the Repukes would change the laws to make it retroactively legal, claim executive privilege, shred evidence, stonewall and lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 06/09/2008

I'm sure you are aware that one meaning of your moniker means "Prince of Demons".

In the Testament of Solomon, Beelzebul (not Beelzebub) appears as prince of the demons and says (6.2) that he was formerly a leading heavenly angel who was (6.7) associated with the star Hesperus (which is the normal Greek name for the planet Venus (Αφροδíτη) as evening star). Seemingly Beelzebul is here simply Satan/Lucifer. Beelzebul claims to cause destruction through tyrants, to cause demons to be worshipped among men, to excite priests to lust, to cause jealousies in cities and murders, and to bring on war.
Texts of the Acts of Pilate (also known as the Gospel of Nicodemus) vary in whether they use Beelzebul or Beelzebub. The name is used by Hades as a secondary name for Satan. But it may vary with each translation of the text, other versions give the name Beelzebub as Beelzebub, but separates him from Satan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 06/09/2008

who cares religion is for idiots!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 06/09/2008
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 56 fans permalink
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9-11 Iraqizoid evildoers have no legal rights.

Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 06/09/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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Evil combantant does trump "any person" don't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 06/09/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 266 fans permalink

Yawohl, mein Führer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 06/09/2008
- tschlak I'm a Fan of tschlak 2 fans permalink

At first I thought, "boy, that's a funny post! Nailed the right-wing nut-job thing beautifully!"

Then I realized you are a right-wing nut-job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 06/09/2008
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You are quite wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 06/09/2008

Beelzebul - Please refresh my memory. What is the connection between 9/11 and Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 06/09/2008
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"They hate us for our freedom"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 06/09/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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It's spelled H u s s e i n as in that demo nominated muslim...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 06/09/2008
- hoodrat I'm a Fan of hoodrat 26 fans permalink
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Beelzebul - are you trying to spell Bill? Get off the tranqs dude - got you thinking in an 8yr. lag. And even THAT thought is sad....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 06/09/2008
- osage I'm a Fan of osage 297 fans permalink
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The Bush administration has deliberately attempted to void America's rules of law and the terroists are winning because of their wholesale corruption and incompetence of governance. The people in the Bush administration aren't even capable crooks. Had they simply adhered to our rules and laws as they existed, this would have never happened. Impeachment would not be enough payment for the war crimes and abuses of power perpetrated by the Bush/Cheney cabal of malfeasance and murder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 06/09/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 24 fans permalink
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and STILL the Democratic congress does NOTHING!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 06/09/2008
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What would you suggest?

Besides impeachment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 06/09/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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Schedule GWB and RBC as the next defendants for the U.S. war-crimes tribunals.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 06/09/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Bush, Cheney, Bolton, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld are wanted in absentia for multiple war crimes in multiple countries. We could sell them for $9 Trillion to the highest bidder.

Buy now and we'll throw in Murdoch and Kristol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 06/09/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 330 fans permalink
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.......bec­ause there isn't much they CAN do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/09/2008
- wm1066 I'm a Fan of wm1066 33 fans permalink
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I disagree, they could be raising hell.
They have been silent on all of these outrages.
Pelosi has alot to answer for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 06/09/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 636 fans permalink
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There are some pesky brown shirts in Congress, they are called repubs. ( I hear ya tho )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 06/09/2008
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 147 fans permalink
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I prefer to call them America's own obstructionist Sunni minority in Congress. You know, like McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 06/09/2008

Take heart, Obama has shown the way by indicating that his adminstration would investigate allegations of war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 06/09/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 636 fans permalink
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" I will gladly give up my freedom, to live in the freest country in the world "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 06/09/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 330 fans permalink
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Praise the Lord, and pass the ammo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 06/09/2008
- FredOCal I'm a Fan of FredOCal 3 fans permalink

I will gladly have a lobotomy to live in the most intelligent country in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 06/09/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 636 fans permalink
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If the terrorists were real men, they would put on a uniform and go toe to toe with us, but nooooooo !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/09/2008

Man this is EZXAXCCTLY what I was tinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 06/09/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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If the Constitution weren't a "g.d. piece of paper", the 14th ammendment would be respected.­..

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 06/09/2008
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You do realize that the 14th amendment also applies to B.ush and C.heney?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 06/09/2008
- chriss0114 I'm a Fan of chriss0114 25 fans permalink
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"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction"

That's why they are in Cuba

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 06/09/2008
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Do you really think that it is that simple? Did you know that this terrorist was in his own country and was not even old enough to be in the military here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 06/09/2008
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You don't recognize humor very well, do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/09/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 636 fans permalink
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Didn't dumbya lower the age of execution down to 5 or 6 years old ? Age is not an excuse anymore , this is serious bidness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 06/09/2008
- billreef I'm a Fan of billreef 3 fans permalink

Yeah, like those pesky colonists that kept shooting at our redcoats from the trees instead of engaging by the rules of warfare like we demand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 06/09/2008

I don't recall the colonists car bombing their own people. The colonists formed a militia. They may not have had uniforms but they were an armed force.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 06/09/2008
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Attention HuffPost moderators: elsewhere on the "Internets" moderators can recognize when someone is posting merely to antagonize the actual community the site is for.

For example, if a PC person constantly goes on a Mac forum and posts things like "PCs are #1 Macs are for foolz" it is obvious that person's comments are just attempting to pull down the community and add nothing to the debate or the topic, and just piss people off. It's like digital vandalism.

There is such a thing as political debate, and there is another where it's just people crapping on your porch and running away. Could you please use some stricter vigilance and get rid of some of these flamers/trolls?

Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 06/09/2008
- biwee I'm a Fan of biwee 13 fans permalink

Gee, I thought the Nazi regime ended in 1945.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/09/2008
- fignozzle I'm a Fan of fignozzle 15 fans permalink
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no, it is alive and well in D.C.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 06/09/2008
- thromulese I'm a Fan of thromulese 21 fans permalink
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I thought that destruction of evidence was a crime. Oh wait; this is king george Jr and his co-conspirators. For them, the law is so pre 911.

Just ask Nancy “impeachment is off the table” Pelosi and Harry “Lie-berman is a good democrat” Reid. Justice is simply not convenient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 06/09/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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George Brent Mickum, Lawyer for Guantanamo Bay Detainees gives an update on Guantanamo Bay detainees, including Supreme Court’s rejection Monday of an appeal by detainees challenging their 5-year confinement. Mr. Mickum represents clients who he says have been subjected to torture at Guantanamo Bay, including stress positions, temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, death threats, starvation, & lack of potable water.

From:C-SPAN last year Runtime:48:00 mins

Link: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/george-brent-mickum-lawyer-for-guantanamo-bay-detainees/3291241746

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 06/09/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Militarized police, Famine, mass unemployment, domestic spying, disease, slavery, oppression, torture, assassinat­ions...

Gee! I'm sure glad the USSR fell!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 06/09/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 227 fans permalink
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I guess there has to be a USSR in some form or another, so we filled in the gap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 06/09/2008

U-United
S-States
S-Stately (also sloppy...o­r slovenly..­.or slyly...or spectacularly arrogant (sorry thats two words)
R-Regime

I once heard that in the 80's it was said....

that one day the United States would resemble the USSR...

and the the USSR would resemble the United States...8­(

it seems that in a way it has come around to that...8(

now do you think it is possible to reverse this course we are on...8)

or will this country degenerate into a worse condition (if that is possible).­..8(

it is long past TimeforachangeNOW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/09/2008
- drzoon I'm a Fan of drzoon 15 fans permalink

It's time that we think about taking down the Statue Of Liberty and either putting in storage until we get ourselves together, or giving it as a gift (like the french did to us).. to a new democracy in the world. Maybe iraq.

We have really lost our way, and we don't seem to care anymore. If you ask me, Rome is burning... again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 06/09/2008

"He faces war-crimes charges including murder for allegedly throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. Special Forces soldier during a 2002 firefight.­"

Isn't throwing grenades standard practice during war?
Do Americans not throw grenades?
Is that the one weapon we don't use or something I missed this somewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 06/09/2008
- Gina322 I'm a Fan of Gina322 6 fans permalink

Oh my God! I swear that I was just thinking the same thing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 06/09/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 227 fans permalink
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You're supposed to throw a grenade with a uniform on. That makes you a soldier. If you throw a grenade without a uniform on, that makes you a terrorist.

Or so they say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 06/09/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 636 fans permalink
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The honorable thing to do would be for them to just stand there and let us shoot em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 06/09/2008

Exactly right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 06/09/2008
- Tommygun264 I'm a Fan of Tommygun264 206 fans permalink
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Perhaps if we had some elected officials in the Bush/Cheney administration who actually saw combat, they would understand how the whole "grenades in a firefight" thing worked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 06/09/2008
- TheHandyman I'm a Fan of TheHandyman 103 fans permalink
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No, when someone invades your country you are supposed to welcome them as liberators!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 06/09/2008
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