Kathleen Sebelius, Completing The Obama Puzzle

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When weighing Kathleen Sebelius' potential as a possible vice presidential pick for Barack Obama, it's useful to consider two separate instances when the Kansas Governor confronted President George W. Bush.

In May 2007, after a devastating tornado had wiped out the town of Greensburg, Sebelius was quick to highlight one of the unspoken truths of the recovery episode: Kansas lacked the resources and manpower it needed because much of the state's National Guard resources had been sent to Iraq. Going public, she repeatedly took jabs at Bush, scolding his Iraq policies for creating a readiness gap at home. Her rebukes earned her accolades in Kansas and with the press. It also prompted the scorn of several Bush lackeys -- a not-too-unfortunate wrist slapping for an emerging Democratic official.

Less than a year later, Sebelius' national stature landed her in another prime-time position, again opposite the president. This time, however, her task was far more thankless. Asked to give the response to Bush's final State of the Union address, Sebelius stumbled, offering up what observers deemed a fairly safe, some said milquetoast, address.

Taken together, these two Bush-related episodes could be considered the polar ends of the Kathleen Sebelius experience. To be fair, the median of the Kansas governor's attributes lie definitively closer to the person who eagerly challenged George Bush's war policies. Indeed, with Obama beginning the arduous process of choosing his number two, Sebelius -- who, sources say, enjoys a warm relationship with Obama and would take the job -- presents a heap of electoral promise but with small but significant question marks.

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The daughter of the former governor of Ohio, Sebelius rose steadily in the political ranks, winning six straight elections before taking over the governor's chair in 2002 and being reelected four years later. A progressive Democrat in a predominantly Republican state, she achieved remarkable favorability ratings while holding positions traditionally anathema in Kansas -- mainly by keeping focus on bread-and-butter issues.

"By and large, she's a moderate Democrat, truly pro-business, and able to convey a legitimate sense of being a competent administrator (which she is)," Burdett Loomis, a former Sebelius aide and professor of politics at the University of Kansas, said in an email. "She does exceedingly well in forums like Chambers of Commerce talks, where she exudes common sense and competence, while still maintaining core Democratic values -- education, health care, and sympathy for unions."

More often than not, Sebelius has harnessed legislative consensus for her agenda. In a special session in 2005, she was handed a budgetary bombshell when the state's Supreme Court ordered the government to provide $500 million for school funding (Kansas' budget is roughly $12 billion). Discussions went on for days in the legislature, with talk of impeachment of the justices surfacing. Sebelius stood behind the court, and recruited a slim majority of lawmakers to her side. Funds were passed for the schools and three years later the program is regarded as a success.

"She brings people together and gets things done," said Raj Goyle, a first term state representative. "Governor Sebelius has a unique record of reaching across traditional party lines in Kansas to build consensus."

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But when she felt it necessary, Sebelius fought -- and often won. She vetoed a bill that would have required voters to show photo identification before voting, citing disenfranchisement concerns. She issued an executive order making it illegal to discriminate against state employees on the basis of sexual orientation. Three times in four years, she opposed legislation that would have restricted abortion access even though one of those bills passed the Kansas legislature by a two to one margin. Most recently, Sebelius offered a third veto to a bill that would have paved the way for the construction of two new coal-fired units in western Kansas, and she did it primarily on environmental grounds, a stance that a decade ago would have amounted to political suicide.

"Elected leaders are supposed to look at the big picture, at issues that may not affect citizens immediately but are extremely beneficial to the long-term condition of our society. Moving toward renewable energy provides opportunities for better-paying jobs, while helping to address concerns caused by global warming," she said of her decision.

Her position was held up by one vote in the statehouse.

"The coal industry thought that if there was one state it could buy off, it would be Kansas," said one legislator close to Sebelius. "She obviously made an incredibly risky decision to deny the permits. And never before in history had coal plant been rejected on environmental grounds."

And yet, despite the dug-in heels and the close-fought battles, Sebelius' standing has risen. In 2005, she was named by Time magazine one of the five best governors in America, lauded for eliminating a $1.1 billion debt without raising taxes. Her approval ratings, meanwhile, hover over 60 percent. Officials at the Democratic Governors Association -- which Sebelius chaired in 2007 -- repeatedly raved about her work ethic.

The Bush confrontation was emblematic of how Sebelius has curried broad support. After tornadoes hit six southwest Kansas counties, killing thirteen, Sebelius publicly declared that National Guard shortages "will just make it [recovery] that much slower." The White House responded by first putting the blame at her feet, saying it was "not aware of any prior complaints" about a lack of personnel or equipment, and then suggesting that the governor had been in New Orleans, listening to jazz, when the storm hit. Neither were true. Sebelius had made at least five separate requests for equipment, beginning in Dec. 2005, and, on the day of the storm, she had been visiting family before immediately returning to the state.

According to a source close to Sebelius, the governor didn't take lightly to the smears. During a visit to the tornado site with the president, she reportedly continued to hammer away with her guard complaints. Kansans of all political stripes loved it.

"People were supportive of her and those comments," said Tim Owens, a Republican legislator. "I'm a retired army colonel and I will tell you, I think she is right... I'm not very happy about the way the federal government went about dealing with the National Guard in regards to the war in Iraq."

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Being a successful Democrat in a Republican state, showing an ability to reach blue-collar voters, and demonstrating a tenacity to challenge the Bush administration, has vaulted Sebelius into any honest discussion of Obama's veepstakes. Sharing a good relationship with the Illinois Democrat and endorsing him fairly early in the primary cycle didn't hurt either. But Sebelius also has blind spots on her political resume that even her most ardent supporters acknowledge.

The most superficial is her State of the Union response, a speech that detractors say is evidence that she can't handle the national stage, but, her office claims, was merely a product of divergent expectations.

"Governor Sebelius believes there is a time and place for everything, but she saw that time as an opportunity not to focus necessarily on the Democratic message or the Republican message, but the American message," said her press secretary Nicole Corcoran. "Governor Sebelius has tangled with the White House before and will again if needed, but the response to the State of the Union message was not the time for it."

A far more substantive concern with Sebelius could be that she doesn't provide what Obama truly needs. As governor, she has had limited direct national security experience. And a recent Survey USA poll showed that, even with her as vice president, Obama still wouldn't carry Kansas (and its six electoral college votes) in the general election.

"She can't deliver her own state," said Christian Morgan, executive director for the Kansas Republican Party. "Moreover, she has never dealt with the national issues that a vice president has to talk about. She has no idea how military budgets work, or what it is like to be a commander in chief."

Because of these concerns, Loomis, who worked in a communications capacity for Sebelius, put the governor's vice presidential prospects at "no better than one in ten," calling her a conservative choice. But he added, should she be tapped, Sebelius would be a tireless campaigner and could very well translate her appeal in Kansas onto the national stage.

"As someone who has watched lots of politicians closely for almost four decades," he said, "I find there are two types -- the ones that look worse when you see them close up, and the ones that look better. Kathleen Sebelius is definitely the latter."

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When weighing Kathleen Sebelius' potential as a possible vice presidential pick for Barack Obama, it's useful to consider two separate instances when the Kansas Governor confronted President George W.
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At least no one is talking about E-van B-ayh. He is awful. The MSN is trying to force his name in to the collective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 06/10/2008

Birch Bayh was one of the true liberal statesman of his generation. Little Evan's stance on so many issues makes me believe he must be the product of a wandering mail carrier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/10/2008

At least Evan Bayh is a Democrat. When people talk about a Republican on the ticket like Chuck Hagel it makes me sick to my stomach.

Actually Bayh would be a good pick all except he comes from a boarder state to Illinios. Though it worked with Clinton and Gore so who knows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 06/10/2008
- tschlak I'm a Fan of tschlak 2 fans permalink

I don't know if Obama's pull will extend to IN, he's down by quite a bit and a little help there wouldn't hurt. They've only gone blue once since 1940.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 06/10/2008
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Why are some Clinton voters (I said "some", chill out) threatening to leave if KS is on the ticket. Not to offend you but.... you played that card already remeber? Since you are voting for McCain, why should the real Democrats care to weigh in your opinion on the matter. You can't leave us twice.

Now for the Clinton voters who are on board with a Democrat in the White House, please don't take KS as a threat to Clinton. I have no doubt that Clinton will be very involved in the campaign even if she's not on the ticket. Much more than winning, it's important that the VP is someone who is in line with the Pres' views of change. Clinton is a great fighter, but Obama is for a new govt that isn't partisan. No disrespect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 06/10/2008

"You can't leave us twice."

say it with me,

YES WE CAN!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 06/10/2008
- tschlak I'm a Fan of tschlak 2 fans permalink

Bye

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 06/10/2008
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This is true. We spend so much of our time worrying how to repair our polarized culture, and then this article says one of her weak points is that she didn't unleash the 50-cal machine guns after the state of the union?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 06/10/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 124 fans permalink
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At one time, I thought Sebelius might be a good choice...now I'm not so sure. I think we need someone stronger, like...

Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
or Chris Dodd.

They're all good solid Democrats with many years of experience. Anyone of them could step into the presidency with no problem. I like Chris Dodd in many ways...he knows how to kick some a$$ when he speaks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 06/10/2008
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E-dwards, D-odd, B-iden, C-linton all voted for the war in Iraq. They are off the table. They go against the change message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 06/10/2008

Scandalous, I hate to tell you, but whoever's the VP pick will have voted for the war, unless they were not in office at the time! There are no current VP contenders who didn't vote for it save a few Governors who weren't put to the test.

B-iden voted for it.
D-odd voted for it.
E-dwards voted for it.
C-linton voted for it.

And the list goes on.

Also, O is going to have to pick someone more moderate than him. That doesn't change his message of change in the least, O is in charge of his own message, not the VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 06/10/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

The majority of dems voted for the war. My guess is the pick simply needs to admit they were wrong on their vote, as Ed-wards did during his campaign.
To rule out anyone who voted for the war would make it a really "short list"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 06/10/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 7 fans permalink

Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Feingold, Webb are all fighters and strongarms, but we need them to do the important fighting on the frontlines of Congress.

Richardson would be good but better served as SecState.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 06/10/2008
- jrterrier I'm a Fan of jrterrier 5 fans permalink

great. these three, together, couldn't get more than 3% of the vote. they really put forward a message of "change."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 06/10/2008

Nonsequitur comment of the day award.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 06/10/2008

Joe Biden? You've got to be kidding! What state is he from? And where are all the credit card companies located? He's neck deep in the bankruptcy bill. Keep him away from the White House.
Here's my picks: Dream pick Jimmy Carter. Respected around the world (except across the aisle in Congress), would be a great mentor for Obama. 2) Sam Nunn, former Senator from Georgia. 3) Mark Warner, former VA Governor.
You can't pick a Democratic Senator from a state with a Republican Governor, because the Governor would pick the successor to the departing Senator.
Secretary of State: Olympia Snow of Maine
Secretary of Defense: Chuck Hagel of Nebraska
Attorney General: Robert Wexler, Rep. FL Senior member of House Judiciary Committee
Supreme Court Nominees to Replace Kennedy, Ginsberg and Souter.
Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Maxine Waters, Rep. CA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 06/10/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Nunn would work as VP. S of S I would like Richardson.
The rest are good choices. (Not saying Snow is not a good choice)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 06/10/2008
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I know you didn't just say Jimmy Carter... LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 06/10/2008

"Obamais for a new govt that isn't partisan."

Riiiight...
Is that why you're suggesting Joe Biden, turn coat, Bill Richardson or Chris Dodd?
Totally a new kind of government.
Please...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 06/10/2008
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Charles Timothy Hagel. Those are the three words that will ensure victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 06/10/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 7 fans permalink

For the Republicans as a Trojan Horse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 06/10/2008

I've seen the Hagel argument many times and it really rankles me. Evidently, all a person needs to have is opposition for the war to become the darling of the Democratic party. Hagel is on the wrong side of many issues of importance to Democrats. He will influence the administration to the right, and should he succeed Obama to the WH, will be the one to put Roberts and Alito type jurists on SCOTUS.

NO THANKS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 06/10/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

I like Hagel but it aint gonna happen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 06/10/2008
- BearsLeft I'm a Fan of BearsLeft 10 fans permalink

That means only 1 Democrat between the 2 party tickets?

This is our time for an electoral landslide and we can't win with 2 Democrats?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/10/2008

EinChicago said, " "Just because H-illary ran doesn't mean she earned it. "

"true. the fact she Beat O-bama in the popular vote and he only won because of affirmative action manipulation of states means she earned it."

Perhaps you need to re-check your facts. Obama won the popular vote as well. And Clinton repeating over and over that SHE did does not make it the truth.

Personally, I think Sebelius is an absolutely wonderful choice. She actually suits Obama's platform whereas Clinton does not. Sebelius is a fighter without the negatives and devisiveness. That's a definite plus.

Much as Clinton's supporters are disappointed at her loss - and I ceartainly agree she is a formidable woman - her knee-capping of Obama during the campaign does not make her a suitable candidate for VP. She did not earn it based upon her praising McCain as a potential CIC. She earned it even less by giving RFK's assassination as a reason for staying in a race she had lost long before the final primaries.

Nor do I agree with the statement that if he does not choose Clinton, he is not allowed to select another - actually suitable - female as a VP candidate. Obama is allowed to make his own choice for HIS running mate. HE has earned it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 06/10/2008
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You not only expose you ignorance in this post, but also you bigotry. Firstly Hillary DID NOT win the popular vote in the primaries. I know you, like her, would like to conveniently forget the caucus states. But also by stating that Obama won because of "Affirmative action manipulation of states", you reveal yourself as someone who believes that no black can achieve anything without help (Even though he is bi-racial. Which I doubt matters to you. In your mind, he's black.). You are so sad, and not worth being taken seriously. Go back to 1955.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 06/10/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

You need to ignore Ein-Chicago. He is a rabid H-il-lary supporter and is blinded by reality and truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 06/10/2008
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Obviously...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 06/10/2008

Either he wants to ensure her voters vote for him or he doesn't. It is that simple. If O is confident he can win with a good portion of them passive/no­n-committa­l until voting day he'll take his chances and make a unilateral pick.

If he wants to get them on board early with full support financially and volunteering for the ticket than he'll make a unity pick and offer it to C-linton.

If HC had won the nomination by a tiny margin with the Supers, refused to even consider O for VP and her supporters celebrated in the streets that he was out of the race, totally disregarding the historic nature of his campaign, then suggesting she should pick another AA male to "appease" you 'cause any old AA would do... would you be jumping for joy and donating and volunteering for HC's campaign? i think not.

You might vote for her in the fall because you hate Mc'Cain, but you probably would remain disheartened about her as POTUS.

If instead, she enthusiastically put O on the ticket would you lick your wounds then get up and work your a$$ off for him and support the ticket? I think you would. The same thing applies now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 06/10/2008

Kathleen Sebelius would be an excellent choice. I think her personality fits just fine. As for upsetting the HC crowd...well tough. It is Obama's decision and I am sure he will make a good choice. One does not "earn" a right to be vice president. Kathleen Sebelius can bring a lot to this effort. She would be ideal even if she was not female. Simply put...it works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 06/10/2008

"as for upsetting the HC crowd,.well tough."

I totally agree.
We're not voting for Obama anyway.
Not because we're racist, we just think HE IS. Who goes to a church like that for 20 years? We also don't think he is qualified for the job at this time.

You guys have as Donna Brazille told me "A new coalition."
If you add the new coalition to all of the Independents and Republican's for Obama you'll have no problem without us.

Good on ya!
Makes perfect sense to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 06/10/2008
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..and because you're racist. (just admit it. everyone knows anyway)

For people to say Obama's racist is not worth defending. But they use this as a reason to justify the fact that they are. Why else would someone vote for a man who is the total opposite of the candidate you stand for when a candidate who stands for 95% of what your candidate stands for is running.... he just happens to be Afr Am. There is NO LOGIC in that action. Now, you "new Repubs" please allow us to discuss the VP for the "Democratic Party". Go and help McCain with his veep choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 06/10/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 7 fans permalink

Outside of Richardson­(sec.state­), Sebelius has the best resume to be at the top of a ticket, nevermind vice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 06/10/2008
- larazon I'm a Fan of larazon 19 fans permalink

Why should Ob ama be saddled with someone who doesn't fit his vision and message? H does not fit his vision and message, she's too polarizing and brings alot of negative baggage with her. There are other people besides S, but keep in mind, she is not auditioning for a beauty contest or a public speaking contest. The qualifications she brings are executive experience and a track record of getting things done in a red state. For all you H supporters who have accused O supporters of being sexist, you are really sexist, because so far I only hear you rejecting S for shallow reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 06/10/2008
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You're right. It's funny how they no longer want a female on the ticket. (if not Clinton)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 06/10/2008

We were not voting for her simply because she is a female.
She represents the moderate wing of the democratic party.

A woman just to have a woman is an insult.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 06/10/2008
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 65 fans permalink
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Well I guess a large part of the discussion really boils down to what you think you need the VP to do? Do you need it to pick up one or two key states? Then you might look for someone from Ohio or Pennsylvania. Do you want to shore up the women's vote? Sibelius does a good job there. Do you want to boost the Hispanic vote? Richardson could fill that. Beef up military credibility? Webb or Wes Clark. Foreign policy resume? Richardson perhaps again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 06/10/2008
- tds1273 I'm a Fan of tds1273 7 fans permalink

VP needs to do more than just bring in votes; which she does anyway.

First and foremost they need to be able to get along and work with the President. Chemistry is important, look lack of it failed Gore/Lieberman and Kerry/Edwards. Those were "strategic" picks not smart picks. Obama is building a team, he needs someone he is comfortable with. Sebelius reflects Obama's same values, ethics, policies, and record. She has campaigned across the country for him since the very beginning of his campaign.

Second they should be able to help advise the President, foreign policy is not an issue on this because of the wealth of talent Obama can put at SecState, Defense, HLS, NS Adv. As a Senator he should have someone with actual Executive experience; Governing experience.

Finally I hate to say it but the VP can also be a sort of insurance policy. Personally I think they should be a little to the left of a Dem President. Someone who should give no incentive for a phsycopath, or partisan congress to want to try the 'next in line'. Personally I'd rather Obama picked Kucinich for this and other reasons, but alas.. Also along with the first point the Vice President needs to be trusted to carry on the same platform, ideals and torch of the President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 06/10/2008
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 178 fans permalink

Some of the Hillary supporters were Republican women who wanted to vote for a woman. These women may be the ones threatening to vote for McCain. If lifelong Democratic woman voters will switch parties from Democratic to Republican, that's one thing. Where is the evidence that this is the case? The MSM wants us to buy into this proposition of the vindictive woman - Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned. But is this the truth? Who would be so stupid as to vote for McCain if they are Democrats? Staying home might be another issues. If Hillary was the nominee would not have many young people, Eastern intellectuals and blacks stay home?

The Democrats should not count their chickens before they hatch. Many were attracted to the first black and woman candidates who actually had a chance. Placing a relatively unknown woman on the ticket will not "fix" things. The economy and the war are two interrelated issues that speak to a national stage in an international theater. What credentials does she have in either? I never heard of her before. I never cared for governors that much. I'd like to see a person with strong national defense and economic credentials. Biden, Dodd, Nunn or Richardson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 06/10/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

I'm a lifelong dem and I'll switch rather than vote obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 06/10/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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Why's that ?
He has the entire world feeling hope & that ethics will come back to Gov't. -
What could it possibly be that you see differently than most of the world ?
So, why ?
Curious ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 06/10/2008
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You are not really a democrat if you use threats like that and sore loser talk. Like B-Rock or not he is way better than McCain. And if you want to be a sore loser fine, just don't call yourself a democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 06/10/2008
- larazon I'm a Fan of larazon 19 fans permalink

At least give one or two reasons why. So you would rather have mac stay in Iraq, drive the deficit up, drive the dollar further down (if that's possible), deprive 47 million of healthcare, put another conservative judge on the SC (on his site there's a page stating that Roe v Wade must be overturned), do nothing about the environment and rising fuel prices and on and on. Just more GWB chaos. I know you're expecting ob ama to lose so she can run in 2012, but that's completely unrealistic thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/10/2008
- Titonwan I'm a Fan of Titonwan 7 fans permalink

You're a lifelong racist. You were NEVER a dem! (fool!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 06/10/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Right after you switch, go home, get a sharp knife and cut off your nose to spite your face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 06/10/2008
- Calinative I'm a Fan of Calinative 18 fans permalink

I don't think she would be a good choice. Obama needs to anchor the ticket by choosing a white guy with military experience. We're in a war and that is a central issue of this election.

I think a lot of people would like to see her as VP because she's a woman. That would be an unnecessary risk. One glass ceiling at a time. The Democrats absolutely need to win this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 06/10/2008
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Yeah, but majority of the voters in most elections are woman. Sorry to say, there are more men who won't vote than women. After all, they didn't struggle to women's rights to vote for nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 06/10/2008

Also, if Sebelius is selected VP Hillary's supporters would fly into an absolute rage because of the Hillary by-pass. Then for sure they won't Obama, IMHO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 06/10/2008
- Calinative I'm a Fan of Calinative 18 fans permalink

That assumes she'd get all the female vote just for being a woman. The Clinton name is a brand that everyone recognizes. Hillary was also partially running on Bill's record. By comparison Sebelius is not well-known.
She doesn't really balance any of Obama's perceived weaknesses - mainly experience and foreign policy credibility. There is no reason to take a risk like that now, and plenty of reason not to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/10/2008
- profmsf I'm a Fan of profmsf 2 fans permalink
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I would like to see him pick Sebelius. Her inability to deliver Kansas is not important. What matters are her appeal to women who constitute 60% of Democratic voters, her executive experience, her Ohio roots, and her compatibility with Obama. I agree with the comments above that picking someone with military bona fides plays into the hands of the GOP. I think they would love to see us do that. Then they can pick Kay Bailey Hutchinson and peel off 5% of the independent and Obamacan vote that wants to see a woman in the executive branch. For some reason, McCain will be picking second so we need to play our hand accordingly. To address the military and forengn policy experience issues, Obama could have a "Shadow Cabinet" including Webb, Nunn, Hagel, Clark and Richardson or better yet, he could just come out and say that if he is elected Richardson will be Secretary of State and Nunn/Hagel/Clark (pick one) will be Secretary of Defence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 06/10/2008

Kathleen WHO???

C'mon, gang. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot. Obama's going to have a tough enough fight as it is to claim the White House. Let's stack the deck with someone who can balance Obama's experience deficit, who can point to either economic or foreign policy expertise (or both), and is someone whose name we all recognize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 06/10/2008
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Just a suggestion, but maybe you want to read up on her first. She DOES have experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 06/10/2008

I have. My point still stands. I read the news everyday, pretty compulsively in fact, and I never heard of her until her name was floated for VP. We can do much, much better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 06/10/2008
- MyThought I'm a Fan of MyThought 8 fans permalink

Attacking Hillary constantly will not unify the party - you expect her supporters to help and yet keep attacking?

What kind of deal is that?

SICKENING

Keep this up and Obama will lose for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 06/10/2008
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i read quite a few comments and drew the conclusion that for VP obama needs a dignified guy to go to funerals; but he needs to run things himself. i'm really bothered by the presumption that he needs to "shore up his national security credentials" with some brass frog who didn't have the wit to oppose a for-profit colonial war. sam nunn... i can't think of anyone on the planet except the pope who is further away from a philosophy of change. by "shore up national security credentials" people mean to angle in a "cheney light" who will make actually changing anything comfortably impossible. the implication is that, left untended by some (white) washington hack, obama will get taken by some wily furriner; and we'll get snookered out of our bombs and all die. and then- israel will get mad.

maybe since conservative policy is totally discredited in every sector, it would be good to CHANGE POLICIES and have support people who are working for change. peace and socially engaged polices have been entirely vindicated. so now the press and everybody is unanimous that obama should move away from those vindicated critics and adopt someone relatively comfortable with the culture of those conservative policies: jed clampett, sam nunn, rev. hagee, gen. noriega, yosemite sam, and david duke round out the short list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 06/10/2008
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Sebelius is quite the leade: thoughtful, tough, and pragmatic. Her connections are vast and her appeal very broad, from Ohio down to Kansas, from Moderate Republicans to Democrats, from Females to Males. Eclectic.

The only two groups that will stand in her way are: 1) Sexist and 2) the staunch post campaign suspending Hillary Supporters.

Fine, lets these groups combine, because they deserve eachother. How Ironic.

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