McCain Panders To "Death Tax" Crowd

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First Posted: 06-10-08 11:21 AM   |   Updated: 06-18-08 05:12 AM

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Lashing out at the "estate tax" is nothing new for most Republicans -- though it would seem to be for Sen. John McCain. One way you can tell is by simply contrasting his Tuesday remarks to small business owners -- in which he described the tax "one of the most unfair" in the entire code -- with his historical opposition to a total repeal of taxation on all inherited wealth that many of his Senate GOP colleagues have long lusted after.

Another way to identify McCain as a recent, and perhaps not wholly sincere, convert to the cause is to note his diction. Most opponents of the "estate tax" refuse to call it that, instead preferring the "death tax" moniker -- implying a "double taxation." (In fact this is not entirely accurate, as some inherited estate wealth comes from capital gains that were never taxed a first time.) While it's impossible to know whether McCain's avoidance of that cliched demagoguery masks a conflicted heart, the Congressional Record does offer a few tidbits that reveal a more nuanced view of the issue than he expressed today.

In fact, a quick review of the dozens upon dozens of Senate debates about a tax that affects fewer than an estimated three percent of estates shows no evidence that the Arizona Republican ever viewed the tax as fundamentally unfair before today. As he himself stated in a June 8, 2006 speech from the Senate floor, McCain has "consistently voted against repealing this tax because of the impact it would have on the deficit, as well as the possible chilling affect it could have on charitable giving in this country."

In the same speech, McCain harked back to his presidential idol, Teddy Roosevelt, to draw support for his view of the essential morality of the estate tax:

"In his 1906 State of the Union Address, President Theodore Roosevelt proposed the creation of a federal inheritance tax . Roosevelt explained: 'The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government.' Additionally, in a 1907 speech he said: 'Most great civilized countries have an income tax and an inheritance tax. In my judgment both should be part of our system of federal taxation.' He noted, however, that such taxation should 'be aimed merely at the inheritance or transmission in their entirety of those fortunes swollen beyond all healthy limits.'


"I agree with President Roosevelt, and I remain opposed to full repeal of the estate tax."

During that debate, McCain argued that the cap for triggering the estate tax should be raised to $5 million, so that family farms and businesses would not be affected upon transfer from one generation to the next. So far, things are trending McCain's way. In 2009, the cap will be raised to $3.5 million.

But even before that increase, McCain was already suspicious of the idea, floated by some estate tax opponents, that the tax was bedeviling small business owners -- precisely the crowd targeted in his remarks today.

In a June 12, 2002 Senate floor speech, McCain said:

"Farm and family-owned business assets accounted for less than three percent of the total value of these estates in 1999. In most estates that are taxable and include a business or farm, the business or farm does not even constitute the majority of the estate. In fact, the American Farm Bureau Federation has acknowledged that it could not cite a single example of a farm having to be sold to pay estate taxes. These facts belie the argument that we must repeal the estate tax to save family businesses and farms to assure that they do not have to be liquidated to pay estate taxes."

McCain often suggests that voters should look to his record in order to reach a judgment about his fitness to lead. A close look at his record on the estate tax -- a record of statements that affirms its underlying morality and debunks any danger it poses to modest family businesses -- brings to mind pandering more than it does the maverick persona McCain would prefer to promote.

Lashing out at the "estate tax" is nothing new for most Republicans -- though it would seem to be for Sen. John McCain. One way you can tell is by simply contrasting his Tuesday remarks to small busin...
Lashing out at the "estate tax" is nothing new for most Republicans -- though it would seem to be for Sen. John McCain. One way you can tell is by simply contrasting his Tuesday remarks to small busin...
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“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” Matthew 22:21

Hmm, good advice, especially the second part. Jesus criticized tax collectors in some scriptures--though of course his disciple Mathew was a tax collector.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/11/2008
- Acebass I'm a Fan of Acebass 11 fans permalink
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Mr McCain should have studied Tea Pot dome as well as Mr. Roosevelt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 06/11/2008

Jesus' guidance according to Matthew 19:21-22 --

21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

I'm sure that McCorpse, Huckleberry and their Christian Reich buddies are negotiating with the Big Guy upstairs to publish a retraction, clarifying that He misspoke, and that while He said "poor" in verse 21, He actually meant "rich."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 06/11/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

First of all Jesus never advocated taking other people's money against their will and redistributing it to others. Giving to the government is NOT the same as giving to the poor. Second this scripture applies to ALL people so therefore EVERYONE should pay a death tax. Not just those who make over a certain amount of money. Love how libs like to quote the Bible yet you have no idea what it means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 AM on 06/11/2008

Not all libs love quoting the bible. I am a lib, and would never dream of quoting from a fairy tale written thousands of years ago by Middle Eastern goat herders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 06/11/2008
- BARRISTER I'm a Fan of BARRISTER 17 fans permalink

torrep, you OBVIOUSLY have NEVER read the Bible. NEVER!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 06/11/2008

The death tax idea is a myth. In the first place only a small fraction of estates pay the estate tax because with planning you can avoid it. It's not rocket science. A second point is that when you do away with the hated inheritance tax you also do away with step up in value so that people who inherit and sell assets pay capital gain tax at a serious disadvantage. It can't be planned for so easily. McBush has a faulty moral compass. He knows better than to spew this garbage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 06/11/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 8 fans permalink
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The estate tax is not taking people's money against their will. It taxes estates which are not people. The more relevant question here is whether people have the right to inherit wealth. As is now evident, the amassing of great wealth in a hands of a few is detrimental to democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 06/11/2008

The Corporate News Media is all too pleased to endlessly repeat the term "Death Tax", all the while ignoring an infinitely more cruel tax--The Birth Tax. The so-capped Death Tax is paid only by those who are relatively wealthy, and the tax is only paid after you are gone, which to my way of thinking is probably the most painless time to pay taxes.

On the other hand, the Birth Tax is owed by everyone, regardless of their station in life or ability to pay, and at present, amounts to a total of $30,936.17 for every man, woman and child in this country.

The other topic that is curiously ignore by those who incessantly whine about the Estate Tax -- The question of which taxes will be raised and/or services curtailed to put more money in the pockets of heirs who don't need the money anyway?

With his wife's net worth estimated at more than $100,000,000 and his own estimated at $36,000,000, McCain's heirs must surely hope that he succeeds, as do many other wealthy families in this country.

Fortunately for the wealthy, there are many gullible people in this country who will never need to worry about paying the estate tax, and will vote to ensure that an even greater proportion of our country's tax burden falls on their shoulders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 06/11/2008
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The estate tax is PROPERTY TAX. Out of consideration we wait until you no longer need it before we tax you for it. Scumbags who refer to it as a death tax need to be openly ridiculed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 06/11/2008

Best time to tax someone is when they're dead.

Rich brats are taken care of with trust funds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/11/2008
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I was an executor of an estate of a moderately successful businessman. Over the previous fifty-plus years, he had built and paid off a few duplexes on a 3-acre garden plot that he had inherited from his father, a piece of land that the town had grown around. He earned $25k per year at his full time job as a salesman, and retired in the 80s. He paid off his home and saved some money. In all, his estate was valued at around $1.5 million. After state and federal estate taxes were paid, plus accountant, attorney and appraisal bills, his family received about half the estate. Basically the value they received was about the same in adjusted dollars that the deceased man had inherited from his father. In other words, the government took everything saved from this man's entire working life. I am just about positive the IRS agent who I worked with used a fake name, which they are allowed to do. The family was really upset that this guy got to crawl all over every inch of the estate, all the way down to the jewelry and personal contents of the safe deposit boxes, all the while using a fake name, and take such a huge chunk of the estate that they had to borrow cash to keep the working assets of the estate viable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 06/10/2008
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The deceased died in early 2001 and it took over two years to settle the estate. (The attorney bills were enormous.) By the time the estate was settled, the US was invading Baghdad with "shock and awe." The family told me that it wouldn't have been so bad if they had seen the money go to good use. But after I wrote a check out of the estate account for $640,000, one man told me that it made him sick when he read that that amount was about what the US government paid to buy one cruise missile. In other words, they took one man's entire working life's savings and blew it up over Baghdad in half a second. God Bless America, land of the free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 06/10/2008

What was the amount of the attorney bill? Was that part of the $640,000?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 06/11/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 8 fans permalink
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This man, in effect, preserved what was given to him and left it to his family when he could have squandered it and left his family nothing. I fail to see a problem here. It appears that his own decisions resulted in the fact that either his estate was not larger or he made decisions such that it did not decrease, depending how one views the situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 06/11/2008

I don't know about the 80's, but today , you don't pay inheritance tax unless your estate is valued at over 6 million dollars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 06/11/2008

It saddens me when a guy like Robert Irsay works his fingers to the bone creating a successful business (an NFL Franchise), then when he dies his family has to struggle (taking on partners) to pay a death tax to keep the family's business.

It's typical for these NFL owners to put in 14 hour days, go to bed, and do it all over again, day in and day out. If you ever go to a Steve Forbes seminar, you will find that most of these "rich" people that liberals hate started with nothing, went broke several times taking risks, and work 12-16 hour days most of their lives.

Meanwhile, "8 hour a day" workers around the country (who never risk everything they own to start a business), who have never put their blood, sweat & tears into building a successful a company, complain that the rich should continue to pay this death tax.

My father worked his ass off for 35 years building a successful business, including many 14 and 16 hour days. I'm sure when he passes away, some wealthy whiny liberal politician that works 20 hours a week will tax his business into "non-existence".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 06/10/2008

Hey sunshine, I didnt see you writing anywhere that you worked side by side with your father. If thats the case, you inheriting the biz is no different from some joker winning the lottery. You should be taxed the same as say another hard worker like Tory Spelling, Paris Hilton, or Thurston Howells kid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 06/10/2008

I think his point is his father earned his money. Why is it so hard to fathom that it might reasonable to allow someone who built a good amount of wealth by way of hard work to determine how it is distributed? Why do people claim government is critical for success. While government creates a environment that is facilitates success, it is clearly not sufficient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 06/10/2008
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They guy who cleans the bathrooms at my office works two jobs, 16 hours a day to keep his kids in clothes and food, so don't whine to me about hardworking NFL owners. Lots of people work hard for the money. I put in a shitload of hours for my work too.

I'm glad your Dad worked his ass off and was able to build his personal wealth. Good for him. So why should that mean you, the lucky sperm, should get the whole package without paying any taxes? When wealth changes hands in this country, taxes are paid. Says so on my pay stub every month. That's how we fund the country. Remember?

What the Rich are saying is "I want to keep all my hard earned money generation after generation". Let the middleclass chumps pay the taxes.

I don't hate the Rich. I'd love to be one some day. What I hate is whiny ass Rich who act like they shouldn't have to be citizens of the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 06/10/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

Yeah and guess what? If that guy cleaning bathrooms dies he doesn't have to pay an estate tax. Actually you are right. I want to keep the money I make for my family. I give 15% of my money to the poor and I serve in poor neighborhoods in my community. Many libs that complain about "rich" people are the same people that won't give a dime or lift a finger when asked. The rich pay poor in taxes than the middle class by a long shot so you need to go learn how to read. The rich pay more taxes. Both in percentage and total. You talk about a "lucky sperm". No one is saying that rich shouldn't pay taxes. What people are saying is that the government should not get 40-50% of the estate whereas someone in the middle class gets NOTHING. What is the point of working hard to provide for your family if the government is just going to half of what you make? Are you willing to give half of YOUR estate to the government? I didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 06/11/2008
- SethBLiNK I'm a Fan of SethBLiNK 36 fans permalink

The estate tax isn't a double tax. Money gets taxed when it changes hands, so when you die, and you transfer that money to your children, or somebody else, they pay tax on it.

The tax code is very generous. It allows people to put away money tax deferred until they retire and then you can take it out gradually and pay a lower percentage of tax on it. You can buy a home for very little down, finance the rest and deduct your interest payments from your taxable income, then sell the house and make a quarter of a million dollars of profit (half a million for a couple) and not pay a dime of income tax on it.

You can put away money for your kids education and then transfer money to each child tax free every year while you are alive.

And then when you die, you can pass on a million dollars tax free to your heirs. You can also donate unlimited amounts of it to charitable causes you believe in and there are a number of other perfectly legal ways to lessen your tax burden and that of your heirs.

If, after all of that, you still have money left over and you want to give it to your kids you can do so, and they will have to pay taxes on it.

If all of those breaks aren't enough for your kids, all I can tell them is boo-fricken-hoo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 06/10/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

Yeah. All of those tax breaks are the EXACT same one's YOU get. Only YOU don't get half of your estate taken away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 06/11/2008

Hey, if my wife were worth 100 mil, I wouldn't be so crazy about the estate tax either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 06/10/2008
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Why doesn't the Huffington Post even mention the impeachment hearings? I know this message will be viewed in pending, so ask your editors, why not even a single mention?
Why won't Congress do they're jobs they took an oath of office for, (that little document, remember?) and uphold the Constitution. It's all politics, all the time. They're ALL complicit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/10/2008

Yeah Welcome to the New World Order

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 06/11/2008

LOL . .so true

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 06/11/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 8 fans permalink
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It is always mentioned in accounts of the Stepford Wife's wealth about it being held in trusts. I am sure there is no danger of her wealth being taxed out of existence any time before or after her demise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/11/2008

Good point! I stand corrected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/15/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 218 fans permalink
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John simply thinks that the 1/10th of 1% of the folks that own %50 f the country's wealth should have even more.

But he forgot about that rich man, camel, eye of needle, kingdom of heaven thingee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 06/10/2008
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Nah... the religious right repealed that one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 06/10/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

Guess what? The majority of people going to hell are NOT going to be the rich. Why? Simply because the poor far outnumber the rich. Thanks for playing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 06/11/2008
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The meek shall inherit the earth, silly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 06/11/2008
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My friend Debra in Minneapolis sent me this humorous link.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sub/715320729.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 06/10/2008

That's a hoot. If I lived in the area, I'd put him up for free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 06/10/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 18 fans permalink

That grimace of his scares children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/10/2008
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The Death Tax? Isn't that usually called "the War in Iraq", and isn't it most-often levied on people who have the fewest opportunities in the civilian economy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/10/2008
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The 'Death Tax' is correctly named just look at how close to DEATH the economy is right now!!!
Wealthy like McCain, are loving it and living the life--the rest of us?
Want more of the DEATH of our country?
-vote McCain--
he's promising to enact and go beyond Bush's own Economic DEATH of this economy
FOUR trillion dollars added to our national debt and
just look around us,
Bush-McCain economy is causing the financial DEATH of the middle class
and quite honestly the DEATH of many millions of households in this country
Nah, I'm choosing life and moving into the change for the future--not going to vote for the economic death of our country any longer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/10/2008
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