McCain Panders To "Death Tax" Crowd

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First Posted: 06-10-08 11:21 AM   |   Updated: 06-18-08 05:12 AM

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Lashing out at the "estate tax" is nothing new for most Republicans -- though it would seem to be for Sen. John McCain. One way you can tell is by simply contrasting his Tuesday remarks to small business owners -- in which he described the tax "one of the most unfair" in the entire code -- with his historical opposition to a total repeal of taxation on all inherited wealth that many of his Senate GOP colleagues have long lusted after.

Another way to identify McCain as a recent, and perhaps not wholly sincere, convert to the cause is to note his diction. Most opponents of the "estate tax" refuse to call it that, instead preferring the "death tax" moniker -- implying a "double taxation." (In fact this is not entirely accurate, as some inherited estate wealth comes from capital gains that were never taxed a first time.) While it's impossible to know whether McCain's avoidance of that cliched demagoguery masks a conflicted heart, the Congressional Record does offer a few tidbits that reveal a more nuanced view of the issue than he expressed today.

In fact, a quick review of the dozens upon dozens of Senate debates about a tax that affects fewer than an estimated three percent of estates shows no evidence that the Arizona Republican ever viewed the tax as fundamentally unfair before today. As he himself stated in a June 8, 2006 speech from the Senate floor, McCain has "consistently voted against repealing this tax because of the impact it would have on the deficit, as well as the possible chilling affect it could have on charitable giving in this country."

In the same speech, McCain harked back to his presidential idol, Teddy Roosevelt, to draw support for his view of the essential morality of the estate tax:

"In his 1906 State of the Union Address, President Theodore Roosevelt proposed the creation of a federal inheritance tax . Roosevelt explained: 'The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government.' Additionally, in a 1907 speech he said: 'Most great civilized countries have an income tax and an inheritance tax. In my judgment both should be part of our system of federal taxation.' He noted, however, that such taxation should 'be aimed merely at the inheritance or transmission in their entirety of those fortunes swollen beyond all healthy limits.'


"I agree with President Roosevelt, and I remain opposed to full repeal of the estate tax."

During that debate, McCain argued that the cap for triggering the estate tax should be raised to $5 million, so that family farms and businesses would not be affected upon transfer from one generation to the next. So far, things are trending McCain's way. In 2009, the cap will be raised to $3.5 million.

But even before that increase, McCain was already suspicious of the idea, floated by some estate tax opponents, that the tax was bedeviling small business owners -- precisely the crowd targeted in his remarks today.

In a June 12, 2002 Senate floor speech, McCain said:

"Farm and family-owned business assets accounted for less than three percent of the total value of these estates in 1999. In most estates that are taxable and include a business or farm, the business or farm does not even constitute the majority of the estate. In fact, the American Farm Bureau Federation has acknowledged that it could not cite a single example of a farm having to be sold to pay estate taxes. These facts belie the argument that we must repeal the estate tax to save family businesses and farms to assure that they do not have to be liquidated to pay estate taxes."

McCain often suggests that voters should look to his record in order to reach a judgment about his fitness to lead. A close look at his record on the estate tax -- a record of statements that affirms its underlying morality and debunks any danger it poses to modest family businesses -- brings to mind pandering more than it does the maverick persona McCain would prefer to promote.

Lashing out at the "estate tax" is nothing new for most Republicans -- though it would seem to be for Sen. John McCain. One way you can tell is by simply contrasting his Tuesday remarks to small busin...
Lashing out at the "estate tax" is nothing new for most Republicans -- though it would seem to be for Sen. John McCain. One way you can tell is by simply contrasting his Tuesday remarks to small busin...
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- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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If you didn't earn it, you shouldn't get it. Screw them all.

And I want a tax on the uber rich too! Let's go back to the heady days of the Kennedy administration. Figuring in for inflation, anyone making over $3 million would be taxed at the rate of 71%. That means if you make $4 million next year, Uncle Sam gets $710,000 of last million! Betcha that will get all the robber baron's panties in a bunch.

And don't get me started on capital gains and corporate taxes. Time for the ultra rich to pay up, cuz I'm frankly tired of paying for everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 06/10/2008

You obviously don't make much money. How hard do you think you would work for 30 cents on the dollar. That will really help the economy expand. Brilliant
I can't imagine you are really paying anything compared to the folks you so obviously want to stick it to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 06/10/2008

I don't want to stick it to the rich but one has to ask ones self if they really deserve all of the money they're making. After all celebrities make millions of dollars for being famous and looking pretty. This all has to do with certain psychological facts about humans, the fact that once someone has a little bit of fame or a little bit of money its much easier to get more of both. For the amount of ingenuity and effort that rich and famous people are putting into their jobs it might actually be the case that they desearve only 30 of those cents on the dollar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 AM on 06/11/2008
- Davwbaird I'm a Fan of Davwbaird 24 fans permalink
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right on, but the dig lies in the reality that the poor masses are still not tired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 06/11/2008
- Jason357 I'm a Fan of Jason357 8 fans permalink

i'll tell you guys right now, this type of thinking will lose the election for you.If this is what Obama is about, count me out!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 06/10/2008

I hate to break it to you, but the election doesn't turn on your opinion. You see, there are a couple hundred million other votes and no matter what your mommy told you, you have to share!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 06/10/2008
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 164 fans permalink
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You were never in. The death tax is just another scare tactic for the simple minded who voted for Bush in '00 and '04. Not very smart and bottom dwelling, knuckle draggers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 06/10/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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Wow, you've covered just about everybody in my gated community..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 06/10/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 9 fans permalink
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You forgot "mouth breathers".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 06/11/2008

How about we institute a maximum inheritence? Let the spoiled little rich kids inherit enough for a good education, but not enough to set them up for life. Whatever is left of the vast fortunes some are able to accumulate would be their legacy to a society that has treated them so well!
The fiscal royal class we have today is a constant drain on productive society, Paris and her billionaire tramp club have no socially redeeming value. They and their male counterparts are a social parasite we should do our best to rid ourselves of!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 06/10/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

20 times the median income.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 06/10/2008
- cardtosser I'm a Fan of cardtosser 6 fans permalink
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Wouldn't it be great if we could get government services without taxes?

Well until that golden day arrives, we are faced with deciding where tax money will come from. One place is taxing the estates of people with substantial estates. In this way the people who earned the money don't actually have to pay this particular tax during their life time.

The $2 million exclusion this year goes to $3.5 million next year. So if you die next year with less than $3.5 million in assets, your heirs simply will not have to pay a federal estate.

The estate tax seems fair to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 06/10/2008
- dlswriter I'm a Fan of dlswriter 21 fans permalink

The PARIS HILTON TAX

Progressives combat the neocon naming game. Watch the neocons stop dead in their tracks when you counter their "death tax" with the Paris Hilton Tax. Yes, neocons, you're just creating more and more Paris Hiltons, and do you really want to do that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/10/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 162 fans permalink
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I like it! Go to the top of the class!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 06/10/2008
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McCain panders, period.

He agrees with President Roosevelt? Childhood friends, I presume.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 06/10/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 316 fans permalink

Does McCain say where he is going to get the money to pay off BUSH's deficits.. which BUSH said in 2004 he would cut in half by now... but infact is doubling!

So far everyone put the middleclass gets a tax break. EXXON got theirs today thanks to the repug Senators!

Thats right he is going to cut education and every governement program by ten percent... LOL... But not Defrnse or Blackwater!

regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 06/10/2008
- Janus I'm a Fan of Janus 22 fans permalink

These contemptible, shameless rightwinger Stooges have a new one to bandy about following orders of the Neofascist Plutocrats who own them. Senator Ensign, altho not as goofy as others in the minority, came out today talking about the "climate tax."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 06/10/2008
- JimSAC I'm a Fan of JimSAC 2 fans permalink

Nearly dead people are a majority of McCain's constituency. It is no wonder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 06/10/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 316 fans permalink

WE just had BUSH run up 5 trillion in Deficits and even bigger trade deficits. The dollar dropped 62% in value! It will drop more if we dont get our houses finances back in order! A devalued dollar is a tax hike! We just lost 62% of our networth. You pay this tax now everyt ime you buy something... except the tax does not go to our government!

ANYONE who says with that record behind them they will not have to raise taxes is an IDIOT!

Allow a large exemption on the estate ... 6-10 million bucks, tie that to inflation automatically. That way small business/farms dont have to be sold when the parents die. But we dont need rich kids like george Bush getting $50 million tax free from their DAD! We dont need to create a rich kids permanent royalty. After the exemption... they still get half plus the exemption amount! They get a cushing life from day one. best schools, fast women and fast cars whether they deserve it or not!

I dont know about you put if I got $50 million and after taxes it was $30 million, I would be happy as hell! But not the George Bush's of the world and apparnatly the people McCain works for.. its certainly not the middleclass.


Thats a lot lower rate of taxation than if you win the Lottery and a lower effective tax rate than what I pay on the money i work to earn!

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 06/10/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

Let me guess this straight. You want to tax inheritances because you think "rich kids" didn't earn it. Yet you want to take a high percentage of that money and redestribute it to people who didn't earn it. Ok got it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 06/10/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 9 fans permalink
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A person's heirs have not earned it either. Therefore, the question becomes who decides to whom does the money of a dead person go. To put it another way, who decides how to redistribute the weath? A dead person or the living majority?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 06/11/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

But this is the EXACT problem that you fail to address. Taxes should be paid by ALL people not just the rich. If you want to impose a death tax on unearned income then fine. Do it across the board for EVERYTHING you give to your children that they did not earn. We'll start taxing allowances. We'll tax the money you saved for them for college. We'll tax the money that you spent on their weddings and so on. Republicans don't have a problem with taxes. We have a problem with liberals that only want RICH people to pay extra taxes that the middle and lower class don't have to pay. That is wrong. Why is it that if someone leaves their kid(s) 3 million dollars thatit should have a special tax as opposed to the person who leaves their kid(s) a $100,000? Why do they get off the hook for ANY taxes. You love to paint us greedy. Yet YOU are that one who is greedy. I always wanting something for nothing. Always wanting someone else's money. How sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 06/10/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

Rich folks want everything for free. You don't want to pay for the extra burden your wealth creates. More expensive houses need better police and fire protections. Larger amounts of capitols need more protection from bank robbers and bank defaults.

Rich people get more from society, so they should pay more just for that reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 06/10/2008

There are a few very good reasons to tax the rich more than everyone else:
#1 The rich get better protection from society than everyone else simply by being rich (cities spend more money to protect rich neighborhoods than poor one's etc.)
#2 Allowing wealth to accumulate in the hands of a few, the obvious outcome of not having an estate tax, is dangerous for society because it sets up an aristocracy.
#3 what better time to tax someone at death, the money your transferring to your children comes under the perveiw of the government (because the government usually taxes transfers) and so it is perfectly legal to take it at that time, also your not alive to enjoy it anymore anyway.
#4 Most psychologists will tell you that beyond a certain point, more money is meaningless to a happy life anyway. It doesn't really matter, from a psychological perspective, if junior receives 50 million or 45 million. The amount of money is just too large. (some will say, but 5million is a large amount of money, this ignores the fact that psychologically, most people don't see the strict value of something but instead see percentages 5 million dollars is only 10% of 50 million dollars).
#5 You seem to be forgetting that when we tax things, we don't always do it to be fair to the individual, Taxes are about a meshing of personal fairness and societal fairness. That's why we don't have poll taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 06/11/2008
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Go Ron Paul

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 06/10/2008

Sure would like to see something on here about the Bilderberg Group meeting. The corporate media has ignored the fact that 140+ of the most powerful people in the world met in secret in VA to discuss what they were going to do to the wolrd

DO yourself a favor and google it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 06/10/2008
- Eric8869 I'm a Fan of Eric8869 25 fans permalink

so the ultra rich have to give a little bit back to the country that gave them such an incedibly comfortable life. BOOOO HOOOOO!

Give us a Break! (non stossel style)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 06/10/2008

Yeah after all the government needs more money for illegal wars and world domination

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 06/10/2008

Or we could have universal healthcare like civilized countries do, maybe even feed some of the children who die each year in the worlds richest country.
Maybe we could make treatment available to addicts who primarily get that way because of the poverty and desparation they grow up in, might even kill some of those rats in inner city schools or rebuild some bridges before they collapse under the weight of your hummer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/10/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

You're ignorant. If I start a business and I make it successful and I built it from the ground up with my own hands and sweat and hard work then how do you say that someone GAVE me an "incredible lifestyle? I offered a product. You bought it. I made a profit. YOU didn't give me ANYTHING. I EARNED it. This is the problem with you liberal nuts. You always think you're entitled to someone else's. You never advocate working hard and being successful. You never advocate getting an education. You never advocate working hard. You only advocate sitting around and waiting for someone else to provide for your needs. After all, why should you work? Someone will eventually make more money and you'll take it. How sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 06/10/2008
- Eric8869 I'm a Fan of Eric8869 25 fans permalink

We advocate working hard and contributing back to our society not just living off of it.

You Conservative nuts send U.S. Jobs overseas to make an extra buck and put Americans out of work. While you put your GOD BLESS AMERICA bumper sticker on the car.

You get us into an Illegal unwinnable war and expect ME to pay for it.

You vote for wars but you don't give any money to the men who actually fight it. They have to ask for body armour from their families. They don't have proper vehicles but your REPUBLICAN war profiteers get rich.

You vote against the GI BILL and put SUPPORT OUR TROOPS on your SUVs.

You probably work a 40 hour workweek, have paid vacations, have health and medical benefits (if you're lucky) - and if you enjoy any of those things....THANK A LIBERAL.

Get your head out of Fox news and learn a little history. It was the ROOSEVELTS who saved our country after the great depression. The Republican Hoover just buried his head in the sand because his rich buddies weren't on the bread lines.

Give us a break if the top wealthiest people in our country die and leave something to help the less fortunate.

PS: The Bible has many many passages about helping the poor - yes YOU don't want to help anyone but yourself. You advocate torture of other human beings. You are NOT Christians at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 06/11/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

You don't think middle class pays death tax? Do a little homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 06/10/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 9 fans permalink
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News flash!!! Anyone who pays the estate tax is not middle class. And any of the rich who now pay an appreciable part of their estates in tax are poor planners.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 06/11/2008
- Boris I'm a Fan of Boris 9 fans permalink

No farm or ranch has ever been lost in Montana to the 'estate tax.' The tax can be avoided just by a simple family trust even if there was any concern. It certainly would be cheaper than paying thousands of dollars to John McCain, alias the Pander Bear, and his campaign. The only people that would benefit from this tax loss are the Bush family and Paris Hilton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 06/10/2008
- swoosie1 I'm a Fan of swoosie1 7 fans permalink

Or any estate now worth over 2.5 million.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 06/10/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 105 fans permalink

He panders to the death warmed over crowd, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 06/10/2008
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