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Chris Matthews Presents Months-Old Polling Data On Women Voters As Brand New

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June 12, 2008 12:54 PM



On yesterday's edition of Hardball, Chris Matthews empaneled an all-star coterie of female political experts - former Maryland Lieutenant Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards, and EMILY's List executive director Ellen Moran - to discuss the state of play for important women's issues in the 2008 general election. As Matthews bounced back for the second quarter hour, he led with some poll numbers that he framed as compelling and new:

An amazing new number came out today. Planned Parenthood commissioned this poll by Peter Hart, the much respected Democratic pollster who is also part of the Wall Street Journal/NBC poll operation, that says that 50% of American women voters today in key battleground states don't know John McCain's position on on abortion rights. In fact, 36% - more than a third - of pro-choice McCain voters are less likely to vote for him once they figure out that he wants to get rid of Roe v. Wade.

Asked for comment, Ellen Moran replied:

We're just a week into the general election and the case hasn't been made for these two candidates. Elections are about choices and I think certainly, Senator Obama's campaign has a lot of work to do in framing that choice. All of the allied forces, the groups that work on these issues need to make the case to these women voters. Because there is a look of information out there. And once this information comes to light, it will be really bad news for Senator McCain.

But this discussion was odd and disconcerting, because, in fact, there was nothing amazingly "new" about these poll numbers. In fact, the poll Matthews was citing was released back in March, based on polling that was done in February. And here we have these two talking about it as if it were preserved in amber.

But a lot can change in, say, four months. Numerous primaries can be held. A Democratic candidate can be chosen. That candidate's rival can deliver a rousing, kick-ass speech focused on unifying their party's coalition. And along the way, the Republican candidate can average a gaffe a day as he stumbles, vaguely in the direction of November.

It seems a small matter, and it certainly would be no big deal to cite an old poll when more contemporaneous statistics can't be brought to bear. Still, it seems simple enough to not present a month-old poll as "amazing new numbers" that "came out today." And it seems perverse to lay this old poll out there for the riveting shock value of what women didn't seem to know about McCain four months ago when there are, in fact, actual new numbers to provide an updated currency and context, and suggest a fluidity of opinion. And, as luck would have it, such numbers exist. From a Gallup poll, released, uhm...yesterday:

Obama's lead among women has now expanded from five percentage points to 13, while his deficit among men has shrunk from six points to two.


These figures are based on aggregated Gallup Poll Daily tracking interviews with national registered voters conducted May 27-June 2 (the week immediately before Obama clinched the nomination on June 3), which showed Obama and McCain tied at 46%, and June 5-9 (the five days since it was reported that Clinton would suspend her campaign), which show Obama ahead, 48% to 42%. Obama clinched the nomination on the evening of June 3, and the news media reported Clinton would suspend her campaign on the evening of June 4. Thus, the data give a clear picture of voter support before and after Clinton's exit.

And, as the folks at MyDD clarify:

Remarkably, Obama's lead over McCain among women now essentially matches Clinton's 12 point lead over McCain during the last full week of her campaign (Obama's lead during the same period had been a paltry 5 points.)
See! A lot can happen in the space of a season, up to and including the opportunity to learn more about one's options vis-a-vis Presidential candidates.
 
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Matthews, like the hoards of other talking heads has no other purpose in life than to talk. It's what he gets paid to do. But no one ever said that he should be truthful. If he tried to do that he'd be off the air in only a few months.

There are no "news" channels anymore. They've all become beholden to their entertainment ministers. How else could we describe the footnotes on the war trailing across the bottom of the screen while the "big" picture is spending entire quarter hours with sheer gossip?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 06/14/2008

I starting to think Chris wasn't being fair to Obama because he respects Obama, but only because he detested Clinton and wanted her to lose. I enjoyed watching during the primaries, but now he's unbearable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 06/13/2008

CHRISSY-BOY IS THE WORST KIND OF SNAKE;
A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING;
ANOTHER CHICKEN-HAWK WHO HIDES BEHIND PATRIOTIC RHETORIC;
DARE I SAY,
HE IS A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 06/13/2008
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Chris Matthews is part and parcel of MSNBC's sudden swing to make Obama the "irreconcilable other" by ignoring favorable polls and focusing on WHITE SUBURBAN WOMEN and a margin that amounts to about half of a percentage point in the vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 06/13/2008

Chris better wake up, he is losing viewers, my entire family stopped watching him..........................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 06/13/2008

Chris Matthews is one of the main perpetrators of the "he is not like US" line. He is setting impossibly high standards for Obama while giving a pass to the McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 06/12/2008
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Chris Matthews is a big teenager.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 06/12/2008
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His show has become a laughing stock. Yikes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 06/12/2008

Chris Matthews is a malignant cancer on the once noble profession of journalism. MSNBC is disgracing the broadcast industry every day by airing Chris Matthews. He's one of the most clueless cable hosts on the air.

People like Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, and Tucker Carlson are hurting America by dumbing it down to death with their lies, distortions, and distractions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 06/12/2008

hilts, you hit everyone of them right head. All six of them are sickening!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 06/12/2008
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Chris Matthews is a prick who hates intelligent, affluent, and strong women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 06/12/2008

Uh-oh Chris is in trouble again. I actually like CM, but it seems he puts his foot in his mouth alot. LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 06/12/2008
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MSNBC is reporting that Obama has problems with White Suburban Men and Women.

THIS IS CONFUSING.

WHAT HAPPENED TO OBAMA'S "WHITE EDUCATED ELITIST VOTERS" WHICH HE HAD EARLIER?

DID THEY ALL MOVE TO CITIES?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 06/12/2008

Why are you shouting ?and what does this have to do with the b@stard C.hris M.athews ? Or are you just trying to get a rise out of people little trolly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 06/12/2008
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Sorry if I offended you. I usually am more quiet.

Next time, check a profile before you make a mcstake! : - /

I happened to be watching MSNBC when they reported AGAIN that

Obama's polls show problems with white male and white suburban women.

This is not true.

I assumed you could make the connection that the network is using incorrect

polling date for all of their shows including Tweety's. Especially since the article is

about him using old polling data.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 06/12/2008

LOL. Guess they were foreclosed on, unceremoniously moved out of their elitist houses on the hill, huddling now with the masses, searching for sanctuary in a walk up somewhere amidst the high rises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 06/12/2008

Shame on you Chris, I thought you was smarter than that. And the wiiiiinner is, Keith Olbermann!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 06/12/2008
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POOR CHRIS STILL WITHOUT A CLUE TO THIS ELEVTION

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 06/12/2008

I'VE NOTICE THAT CHRIS HAS BEEN FLIP FLOPPING LATELY. I'LL STILL GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT UNLESS HE KEEPS MAKING MISTAKES LIKE THIS. BEFORE CHRIS WOULD JUST TELL IT LIKE IT IS AND CHALLENGE HIS GUEST TO PROVE THEIR ARGUMENTS. WE'LL I'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 06/12/2008

He's trying to get off the the Clintons' enemy list - and he thinks that Pa. is the only state in the union - he is embarassed of how racists his fellow Pa. are -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 06/12/2008
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Chris Matthews is a Right-Wing liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 06/12/2008

He's not right wing - just an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 06/12/2008
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I watched part of Hardball yesterday and as usual he had Tucker the Fool on to support his with Pat Buchanan and Matthews is a real joke.. Matthews during the campaign between clinton and obama frequesntly had his "facts" so wrong I had to wonder if he was on Faux and had to check my tv channel. With his usual support group and his wrong poll numbers I often wonder why he is still working and I always wonder why Tucker is shown as a political expert since he lost his show on MSNBC. The combo of Buchanan and Tucker as his discussion group (panel) everyday makes me think they cannot get anyone else to come on. I do like the new girl I think her name is Michele too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 06/12/2008
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I have to use the mute button when Tucker and Buchanon come on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 06/12/2008

It is people like Chris Matthews and Dan Abrams that are subliminally advocating for racial bias. They speak in way that is divisive while potraying it as being balanced.

I love MSNBC but Dan Abrams and Chris Matthews push certain story lines in a way that only leads to secluding one group from another. eg Isolating the women votes and the black vote, the blue collar, and all these other terms.

We are all Americans,,,,, all our soldiers out there are not fighting in women groups, or Black groups or even as blue collar people. They fight side by side,,, lose together and triumph together. We are all on the same side. We want the best for this America that we love.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 06/12/2008

Dan Abrams is an a$$, I don't know where he gets off taking up the feminist agenda. I clearly recall him going after the alleged rape victim in the Kobe Bryant trial. Guilty or not, talking about an alleged rape victims sexual history on national television with such glee is a big NO NO ! I still don't understand how he wasn't fired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 06/12/2008
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