AFSCME, MoveOn Ad Targets McCain On Iraq War

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WASHINGTON — A major labor union and the liberal organization MoveOn.org are joining forces to air a provocative new ad portraying John McCain's Iraq policy as a prolonged presence that would involve a new generation of Americans.

Paid for by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and by MoveOn.org, the commercial represents an expansion by Democratic-leaning groups of a campaign against McCain. It also targets one of McCain's major assets _ his public credibility on national security issues.

The ad will begin airing nationally Wednesday on CNN and MSNBC, and in Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin markets. It will run for a week at a cost of $543,000. In the ad, an actress with an infant child speaks as if she were addressing McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee.

"Hi John McCain," she says. "This is Alex. And he's my first. So far his talents include trying any new food and chasing after our dog. That, and making my heart pound every time I look at him. And so, John McCain, when you say you would stay in Iraq for 100 years, were you counting on Alex? Because if you were, you can't have him."

McCain has stressed that his goal is to reduce American casualties, shift security missions to Iraqis and, ultimately, have a non-combat U.S. troop presence in Iraq similar to that in South Korea. He has speculated that such a presence could last 100 years or more.

Last week, McCain aired his own commercial where he asserts, "I hate war." The ad is biographical, recalling his family's military service and his more than five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

The campaign referred questions about the ad to the Republican National Committee, which said the country needs a president who listens to his commanders, not partisan groups like MoveOn.org. "Bringing peace and security to Iraq will require a commander in chief who won't allow partisanship to cloud his judgment," said spokesman Alex Conant.

Polls show that while a large majority of the public opposes the war, they split almost evenly between McCain and his likely Democratic opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, over who would better handle Iraq.

"The ad aims to give voice to so many people who are frustrated that we seem to be stuck in Iraq," said Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org's executive director. "It speaks to the worry that people have that we'll be sending another generation of young men and women to Iraq if we continue."

The AFSCME-MoveOn effort unites two forces that were on opposite camps during the Democratic primary. AFSCME backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, while MoveOn backed Obama, who clinched the nomination this month.

Paul Booth, executive assistant to AFSCME President Gerald W. McEntee, said the union has not yet endorsed Obama but said the ad illustrates "progressive forces coming together of the same mind about McCain."

MoveOn and AFSCME are paying for the ads through federally regulated political action committees.

Obama does not accept financial contributions from political action committees. He has called on outside nonprofit groups not to air ads in the presidential campaign. But his admonition has been aimed at groups that receive unlimited contributions, mostly from wealthy individuals. Political action committees, however, are restricted to receiving contributions of no more than $5,000.

WASHINGTON — A major labor union and the liberal organization MoveOn.org are joining forces to air a provocative new ad portraying John McCain's Iraq policy as a prolonged presence that would in...
WASHINGTON — A major labor union and the liberal organization MoveOn.org are joining forces to air a provocative new ad portraying John McCain's Iraq policy as a prolonged presence that would in...
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Hi John McCain:

My son Daniel is now 16 1/2 years and stands about 6' 4" and is as skinny as a rail. He is my only child. I am an expatriate and Daniel was born in Mexico City. When Daniel was 7 months old, my wife and I took him to the US Embassy and registered him as the foreign born child of an American father, and he was given his American citizenship, passport, and social security number. Daniel is a very bright young teenager, bilingual, and has dual citizenship and two passports. And ever since he was born, all communication with dear old dad has been in English.

In October 2009, Daniel will turn 18 and have to register at the US Embassy as an American who has turned 18. At this time, there is no draft. However, should the draft be reinstated again, and if you happen to be counting on my son, Daniel Cadena, under no circumstances can you have him. My boy will not be cannon fodder for some idiotic war like Vietnam or Iraq or some other future screwball endeavor elsewhere in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 06/17/2008
- RRonin I'm a Fan of RRonin 19 fans permalink
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Now this makes me wonder If McCain is contemplating bringing back the draft. Unlike his predecessors he has "cred" as a veteran and ex-POW that he can cite if he wants a draft. I wonder how many of his supporters would vote for him if they knew he viewed their kids as potential draftees for his war with Iran?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 06/17/2008
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 26 fans permalink

It doesn't matter. mcCain is not going to be President. Senator Obama is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 06/17/2008
- connorin I'm a Fan of connorin 25 fans permalink

As my earlier coimment was up for about 20 minutes then vanished, I will try to re-state:

Daniel's father:
Would it be OK for hime to be hurt or killed in the balkans or on a ship like the USS Cole as happened under the last democrat president? how about kidnapped from our own embassy and held for abou a year and a half as happened under the democrat president before that?

BTW...If the draft is reinstated, you can only thank the democrats as they are the only ones calling for the reinstatement of the draft

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 06/17/2008

Why do you hate the troops? You think they should continue to rotate in and out of Iraq until they all brake?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 06/17/2008

"Would it be OK for hime to be hurt or killed in the balkans or on a ship like the USS Cole as happened under the last democrat president? how about kidnapped from our own embassy and held for abou a year and a half as happened under the democrat president before that?"

What did SADDAM HUSSEIN and IRAQ have to do with THOSE tragedies?

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice ... There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive'."
G.W. Bush, 9/17/01

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02

INVADING IRAQ was MORE IMPORTANT than "wanting dead or alive" our #1 terrorist!And bringing our troops home from IRAQ is "NOT TOO IMPORTANT", according to McCain!

Hey McCain...a­bout MY THREE SONS...

HELL NO...THEY WON'T GO!!!

OBAMA '08!
HOPE & CHANGE!

Stay safe, healthy and happy,
Love, Loretta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/17/2008

Only a very few. Who wants a draft for a stupid war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 06/17/2008
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To Connorin:

In response to your question, my post has nothing to do with either of the political parties. The democrats got us involved in Vietnam and the republicans in Iraq. The problem is that our country, yours and mine, went off track on November 22, 1963, and it has continued to stray further off track ever since then. Vietnam and Iraq were the result of the American people being misled by their government. None of our children, neither my Daniel or any of your children, should be placed in harm's way because of some bonehead political reasoning such as oil, etc. The US has to be weened off its deeply rooted oil addiction. My hometown of Los Angeles, CA and its "car culture", smog, and network of freeways underscore why oil addiction is so wrong at this point in time. Global warming and alternate fuels are challenges the world has to face and solve if anyone is to survive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 06/17/2008
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The dems who called for draft were doing it as a ploy to underline the fundamental problem of staffing this endless war. Get a clue!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 06/17/2008
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If you want to see Americans taking to the streets in rightious anger, then reinstate the draft. Congress will never pass such a law b/c they know it is political s uicide. That being said, it is impossible with the troops we have to continue as we are in Iraq and invade Iran, while stepping up things in Afghanistan, which is exactly what McCain wants to do. The man is unhinged!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 06/17/2008

Moderators please don't post this but It is AFS-C-M-E. The post has the C and M reversed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 06/17/2008

Oh fer two. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 06/17/2008

i think it's pretty tasteless myself. there hasn't been a draft for so long. young men choose to enlist in the military, this commercial is pure emotion based and the american people don't want bias unhonest bullshit anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 06/17/2008
- racom I'm a Fan of racom 3 fans permalink

A mother wanting to protect her son from senseless death is tasteless, wonderful world you live in!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 06/17/2008
- Kim445588 I'm a Fan of Kim445588 4 fans permalink

I have a son, and I get the point. I hope they run it everyday of the week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 06/17/2008
- DMW1 I'm a Fan of DMW1 2 fans permalink

And because you don't know the state of our military and what top military officials are saying, you'll be shocked when the draft is reinstated. Americans are missing all the signs that point to the draft coming back. It appears to be the only way to sustain a combat ready military if we are going to continue in Iraq.

Please learn the facts: http://www.stopthinkvote.com/facts/militaryfacts.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 06/17/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

I got news for you. That ink you keep posting is not a very good source of information.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 06/17/2008

"the american people don't want bias unhonest bullshit anymore" ...

...like this "Global War On Terrorism" in IRAQ!!! ... "spreading democracy" one drop of blood (AND OIL) at a time...

The SCOURGE is working!
Bomb bomb bomb...bom­b bomb IRAN!

(Meanwhile, back in PAKISTAN, our #1 terrorist and his band of merry men are having a rip-roaring, rabble-rousing good time ... at OUR EXPENSE!!!)

OBAMA '08! (IF it's not too late!)
HOPE & CHANGE!

Stay safe, healthy and happy,
Love, Loretta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/17/2008
- yngcelt I'm a Fan of yngcelt 2 fans permalink

For all the uproar over the supposed "lies" that the lefties say our President told to start this war, I have to wonder why there is no uproar over these "lies":
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 06/17/2008
- racom I'm a Fan of racom 3 fans permalink

So the best you got is, bill clinton is a moron too. Wake up people, Jon Stewart put it best, 'we are governed by children'!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 06/17/2008
- yngcelt I'm a Fan of yngcelt 2 fans permalink

And yet when Jon has Democrats on his show he practically breaks his neck kissing their asses.
typical two-faced lib

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 06/17/2008

Interesting how you skip about five years of history following that, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/17/2008
- yngcelt I'm a Fan of yngcelt 2 fans permalink

Oh you mean the five years of Saddam not allowing UN inspectors in? Or the five years of Clinton using the Lewinsky scandal to cover up his inadequacies as Commander in Chief of our military?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 06/17/2008
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They have a bad words filter now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 06/17/2008

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice ... There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive'."
G.W. Bush, 9/17/01

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02

INVADING IRAQ was MORE IMPORTANT than "wanting dead or alive" our #1 terrorist! And bringing our troops home from IRAQ is "NOT TOO IMPORTANT", according to McCain!


(But...but­...but...C­LINTON!!!)

OBAMA '08!
HOPE & CHANGE!

Stay safe, healthy and happy,
Love, Loretta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 06/17/2008
- msmaggie I'm a Fan of msmaggie 10 fans permalink

Poor on 2 counts: one, it's just so lame--using a cute little baby as a counterpoint to the horrors of war. Yawn. Two, it plays right into the conservative mantra: "Obama and liberals are not patriotic and aren't willing to fight for their country." Yes, of course it's a horseshit argument, but why give them the fodder.

Bad creative really irritates me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 06/17/2008
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Well I don't buy the theory that McBush can claim Americans aren't patriotic and won't fight for their country since the vast majority of people realize that fighting in Iraq is NOT defending America and never was. It was a war based upon lies and NO person should be required to fight in such a criminal act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 06/17/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

That's funny. Many people I know think it is and was. Don't try to speak for everyone. You'll just look like an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 06/17/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

That's great.

It's still a stupid ad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 06/17/2008

Such FEIGNED "right-to-life" rhetoric can only be coming from a REPUBLICAN!

OBAMA '08!
HOPE & CHANGE!

Stay safe, healthy and happy,
Love, Loretta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 06/17/2008
- editrix66 I'm a Fan of editrix66 11 fans permalink

I think the problem with this ad is that mentioning the 100-year-old war comment out of context will end up being the story. Also, the message needs to be that this war is the wrong war, and McCain wants to continue that war. This ad does not make that clear; instead it implies that this young woman would not allow her son to go to war for our country. It needs to be more clear the clear choices between continuing a failed war or ending one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 06/17/2008
- awcbuddy8 I'm a Fan of awcbuddy8 8 fans permalink

I assume the GOP's "Obama will kill all white people" ad will be just as acceptable to you lot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 06/17/2008
- Jason357 I'm a Fan of Jason357 8 fans permalink

Obama won't kll all of them, just the bitter ones clinging to their Bibles and guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 06/17/2008
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

That is the first thing I've seen from MoveOn.org that was even vaguely effective. Great job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 06/17/2008
- osage I'm a Fan of osage 296 fans permalink
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I am a Vietnam veteran. It is shameless to me that the vast majority of human beings on this planet don't understand that war is "personal" to the people who live and die in them. Killing someone is "personal". Being in an environment day after day where people are trying to kill you is "personal". The death of your son or daughter, husband or wife, mother or father, grandson or grandaughter is "personal". And having them kill someone and then living with that for the rest of their lives is "personal". Killing and being killed in a war is just as "personal" as someone breaking into your home and you have to kill or be killed to protect yourself and your family. It's just as "personal" as being the victim of a drive-by shooting, a serial killer or a rock that falls from the heavens. In fact, they shouldn't call it "war" at all. They should call it "suicide". Wars wouldn't be fought if the people who send others to die took killing and being killed "personally". Personally, I won't allow my son or daughter to waste their lives in a war, because all the people who would send them to war are shamelessly impersonal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 06/17/2008
- racom I'm a Fan of racom 3 fans permalink

Great post osage. It's like this whole country is sleep walking, nothing seems to register. When a message of a mother trying to protect her son from senseless death in a senseless war is so demonized it's beyond belief. Look at all the grief Cindy Sheehan suffered from the radical right because she wanted an explaination for the death of her son.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/17/2008

This is a great ad. I hope the soccer moms, or security moms, or whatever they are calling themselves these days, see it. These bastards won't get my sons for some BS, falsified conflict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 06/17/2008
- connorin I'm a Fan of connorin 25 fans permalink

So you will gladly serve up your daughters???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 06/17/2008

Obviously that poster must only have sons and not daughters, so there was no reason to say "daughters" and it's ignorant for you to try and equate that to "gladly serving up daughters.­" You're not even trying anymore, are you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 06/17/2008
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 44 fans permalink
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I love it. Very gullible voters will fall for this very easily. Way to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 06/17/2008

Truth hurts, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 06/17/2008

Thats what I thought, but on Morning Joe this morning they were not impressed. Whatever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 06/17/2008
- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

Of course they didn't like it. Joe S is Republican and he knows how well the ad would and will most likely actually work. Most of those on that show while trying to pretend they are objective are very afraid to be negative in regards to McCain on anything related to the war. The other day they tried (didn't work at all) to turn around what General Clark was saying about Sen. McCain into an attack on Sen. Obama but General Clark was having none of it. It was very clear I felt they were afraid to criticize McCain on anything related to the war. This ad deals with the war and McCain's own comments so naturally they would say how bad it was. A bunch of cowards. Joe is going to defend the Republicans. It's what he does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 06/17/2008
- unscum I'm a Fan of unscum 9 fans permalink

Ya, the same voters who fell for Bush and McCain's crap that got us into this war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 06/17/2008

AFSCME leadership received sharp criticism for endorsing Hillary from broad sectors of it membership, particularly after her campaign went so negative.

Hillary and Bill should take a cue and begin to criticise McCain for all the positions that he has that will harm their supporters. So far, their silence has been deafening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 06/17/2008

If your country calls, you go. Period.

I am not in Iraq, but if needed I will go. If President Bush/McCain/Obama ect say they need this 35 year old with a bad back and two bad knees to go, I will.

When my children are old enough, and if they are called they will go. I will never put my own selfish interests above my country.

Just who exactly will this lady be counting on to keep her free and her grandchildren safe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 06/17/2008

There are many honorable ways to serve your country but blind obedience has never been one of them. We are the ones who rebelled against the European aristocracy. Now we have a group that wants to be an American aristocracy and a lot of us think a little rebellion is needed.The­re is still a bit of rebel in a lot of us. It has always been the legal and honorable thing for military personnel to question illegal orders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 06/17/2008
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"There are many honorable ways to serve your country"

Yeah, just ask the Romney boys...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 06/17/2008
- yngcelt I'm a Fan of yngcelt 2 fans permalink

You mean like the blind obedience of our great grandfathers and grandfathers in WWI, WWII and the Korean War? How about the "blind obedience" of the soldiers who fought in the Civil War? Especially those Northern Christian Republicans who fought to free the slaves from the Southern Democrat Confederates who wanted to keep blacks enslaved?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 06/17/2008

The purpose of this add is to keep tomorrows children from fighting a needless war. These fools have already saddled them with trillions in debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 06/17/2008
- yngcelt I'm a Fan of yngcelt 2 fans permalink

And how do you define a "needed" war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 06/17/2008
- yngcelt I'm a Fan of yngcelt 2 fans permalink

The Civil War and WWII both left our country with trillions in debt. Do you call those "needless" wars as well?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 06/17/2008
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

I suppose you think you're patriotic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 06/17/2008
- Pema I'm a Fan of Pema 45 fans permalink
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google winter soldiers, or see them on you tube, then wave your made in china flag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 06/17/2008
- momof3inGA I'm a Fan of momof3inGA 7 fans permalink
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Excellent post, Pema. From a military mom -- excellent post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 06/17/2008
- Biracial1 I'm a Fan of Biracial1 10 fans permalink

What branch are you in? How many tours have you done? Will you fight for a cause based on false information? Will you fight for this country so that race is no longer an issue?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 06/17/2008

I am not in any branch. If you read my entry you would have seen there is no way in hell I could pass a physical. I have served no tours. If asked, I would fight for a cause based on false information if m country asked me to.

As for your last question, i am not sure what you mean. Are you asking if I would join the military in an operation to take out a klan meeting? (Or a sermon by father Pfleger)

No, I would not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 06/17/2008
- yngcelt I'm a Fan of yngcelt 2 fans permalink

Speaking of false information:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 06/17/2008

I see nothing wrong with this ad, it targets the same demographic that the "current" administration has been targeting since 9/11 in trying to scare them. The so called "security moms" This add just targets them from the other side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 06/17/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

I think it's ineffective and pathetically lame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 06/17/2008

McCain after Bush = insanity

One has to tell McCain that He is any No Longer a Prisoner of WAR and that We"re in the 21st Century and We have problems with Global Warming and it doesn"t mean Bomb BOMB

This is what we have to keep in mind. . Keep in your consciousness that 18 vets commit suicide every day. http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3204.shtml then when the troops will back home, the remaining and estimated costs of the WAR will increase because of the facts that We"ll have to face, dealing with stress issues and psychological illnesses of combat troops, estimated at $6.2 billon for just the first two years after those troops return home. That includes direct medical care costs, the price of lost productivity and suicides.

It means that 4 more years of WAR would almost double the War costs. Do we afford that or Do We want to put the Nation into Bankruptcy and see a growing Poverty in the country� increase the Criminality, INSECURITY, BAD ECONOMY, NO HEALTH CARE...... NO.... THANKS !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 06/17/2008
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