Obama: GOP Tactics The Reason bin Laden Is Still Free

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NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY | June 17, 2008 10:56 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., talks to the media during a news conference on his campaign plane en route from Michigan to Washington, DC Tuesday, June 17, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democrat had a naive, Sept. 10 mind-set toward terrorism.

"These are the same guys who helped to engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could have pinned down the people who actually committed 9/11," the presumed nominee told reporters aboard his campaign plane. "This is the same kind of fear-mongering that got us into Iraq ... and it's exactly that failed foreign policy I want to reverse."

The debate between the rival camps echoed the 2004 presidential campaign in which President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republicans argued that Democratic nominee John Kerry was soft on terror, a claim that resonated with voters and helped propel Bush to re-election. Democrats complained that the GOP was using the politics of fear.

The Republican argument proved less effective in 2006 when then Bush adviser Karl Rove said the Democrats had a pre-Sept. 11 view of the world and Republicans had a post-Sept. 11 terror attacks perspective. In November of that year, Democrats captured enough congressional seats to seize control of the House and Senate.

On his campaign plane, Obama told reporters that Osama bin Laden is still at large in part because Bush's strategy toward fighting terror has not succeeded.

At issue were comments Obama made in an interview with ABC News Monday in which he spoke approvingly of the successful prosecution and imprisonment of those responsible for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Obama was asked how he could be sure the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies are not crucial to protecting U.S. citizens.

Obama said the government can crack down on terrorists "within the constraints of our Constitution." He mentioned the indefinite detention of Guantanamo Bay detainees, contrasting their treatment with the prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

"And, you know, let's take the example of Guantanamo," Obama said. "What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks _ for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center _ we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.

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"And the fact that the administration has not tried to do that has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, 'Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims. ...

"We could have done the exact same thing, but done it in a way that was consistent with our laws," Obama said.

Obama agreed with the Supreme Court ruling last week that detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a constitutional right to challenge their indefinite imprisonment in U.S. civilian courts. McCain derided the ruling as "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

McCain aides criticized Obama for talking about using the criminal justice system to prosecute terrorists.

"Senator Obama is a perfect manifestation a September 10th mind-set ... He does not understand the nature of the enemies we face," McCain national security director Randy Scheunemann told reporters on a conference call.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey, who is advising the McCain campaign, concurred, saying Obama has "an extremely dangerous and extremely naive approach toward terrorism ... and toward dealing with prisoners captured overseas who have been engaged in terrorist attacks against the United States."

The Obama campaign countered with its own conference call in which Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Richard Clarke, a counterterrorism official in Republican and Democratic administrations, argued the McCain campaign was emulating Rove.

"I'm a little disgusted by the attempts of some of my friends on the McCain campaign to use the same old, tired tactics ... to drive a wedge between Americans for partisan advantage and to frankly frighten Americans," Clarke said.

Kerry accused McCain of "defending a policy that is indefensible" by siding with Bush's policies, particularly with respect to the Iraq war.

Obama said Republicans could be counted on to do "what they've done every election cycle, which is to use terrorism as club to make the American people afraid to win elections." He said he didn't think it would work this time.

Republicans criticized Obama last year when he said the United States should act on intelligence about top terrorist targets in Pakistan even if President Pervez Musharraf refuses.

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Beth Fouhy reported from New York.

WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democ...
WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democ...
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- Donnat I'm a Fan of Donnat 23 fans permalink

The more this guy talks, the more I love him. Why didn't Kerry talk like this in '04? It was true then and it's true now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 06/18/2008
- JTyroler I'm a Fan of JTyroler 41 fans permalink

Just because the US hasn't had an attack similar to the 9/11 attacks, doesn't mean that we are safer. What ever happened to those anthrax attacks that happened earlier? Was anyone ever caught?

What about the other acts of terrorism that's been done in al Qaida's name? Instead, we had to invade Iraq and focus our military's efforts there. What's happened in Afghanistan in just the past week? Something about a prison escape, the Taliban being in control in more areas (weren't they defeated a few years ago?), and opium production has increased.

Try to imagine how things would be if we hadn't invaded Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 06/18/2008
- LibDrummer I'm a Fan of LibDrummer 25 fans permalink
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They are actually trying to say that the biggest screw up in American Government history since Viet Nam, is an example of their competence, and some people are buying that? Was 9/11 a shinning example of airplane security? Was Katrina an example how prepared for a disaster 9/11 made them? Did they get ANYTHING right yet?

These people are shameless fools who need to be dragged, kicking and screaming into the light and exposed. The GOP is bad for America; they have demonstrated that in every way possible.

They have encouraged, embolden, strengthened, and enlarged the terrorist groups that threaten this country. We now have more people wanting to attack us than ever in history, they are recruiting in record numbers and growing stronger every day. 400 taliban escaped from prison last week and the death toll is at record highs in Afghanistan. Bin laudin is laughing at us and we are increasing the hatred towards us by our occupation in Iraq and our demonstration that we think it is ok to torture and falsely imprison Muslims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 06/18/2008
- CFAmick I'm a Fan of CFAmick 4 fans permalink

Maybe Richard Clarke will play a prominent role in security in an Obama White House. I hope so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 06/18/2008
- wkitwizard I'm a Fan of wkitwizard 4 fans permalink

Osama been forgotten? "Wanted Dead or Alive"? The murderer of over 3,000 Americans?
"I don't think much about him anymore"-Bush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 06/18/2008
- lainey I'm a Fan of lainey 46 fans permalink

Thank God we have a man of substance and style in Barack Obama. He is absolutely right. We took our eye off bin Laden as we sought after a man who had done nothing to do with 9/11. Under Bush and McCain, we will see more of the same. Look into the future and what McCain has promised is more war in Iraq and less time on finding the true people behind the attack that killed 3,000 Americans. He scoffed at Obama's plan --discussed several months ago-- of getting bin Laden in Pakistan. Why? Because the person who didn't have the military service he thinks is necessary to run this country had the right idea, again? Enough about age and experience, I want someone who hasn't been in Washington long enough to understand that status quo, torture and invasion is a bad idea. I want my president to have an intellect that actually can master complex ideas rather than grasp to the easiest solution on the table. Americans are smart. We don't believe in spending endless years in Iraq and we do still want those responsible for 9/11 to be held accountable. This will be reflected in our upcoming Presidential election with the choice of Barack Obama-- the one who doesn't believe in torture and wants the Constitution to remain the cornerstone of our foreign and domestic policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 06/18/2008

Obama is right. And what he failed to add is that the terrorist attack of 911 happened due to a lack of using the intelligence that the Bush administration had about these same plane flying terrorists. Then instead of keeping all of the Bin Laden family here, Bush gave them a private plane to leave the country. Why? Now the Republicans tout the fact that there have been no terrorist attacks since 911 well there hadn't been any attacks before Bush took office either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 06/18/2008
- POINT84 I'm a Fan of POINT84 3 fans permalink
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October Surprise:

They find Osama hiding in plain site in a cave somewhere. Unfortunately, he is dead, or dies in the capture. Bush claims major victory in War on Terror, Media hails him as hero, and America forgives all of his incompetence and sins.

Reality: they thaw Osama from cold storage. Place him in a cave set up especially with lights (so the cameras can see), and place Osama's body. They "find" him, and Bush steps forward saying that this is a major victory, and is the result of his efforts for the past 7 years.

(Something similar to how they "found" Sadamm - ie, they knew where he was, put him in a hole, the military called the media, and then "found" him and drags him out. Or similar to Jessica Lynch, where that was manufactured as well).

End result: America eats it up (like every other major piece of propaganda), we all forget the evil actions and incompetence of BushCo, don't realize that we're being played like a two-bit guitar. And a national amnesia settles in, and we're back to our militant ways. Democrats role over and take it up the rear -- smiling for the cameras.

Woo woo wooo, GO USA, USA, USA, USA!!!

(Copied from someone else- you should too)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 06/18/2008

You are correct,.The Repubs might try this, but the supposed Bin Laden is just a look alike. The NeoCons tell the public that this is the real BinLaden but without DNA how can we be sure? So the public will buy into more lies and elect McSame on his fraudulent National Security prowess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 06/18/2008
- Donnat I'm a Fan of Donnat 23 fans permalink

I don't think this will happen because Bush owes Bin Laden's family too much money for bailing him out of failed business deals. he dances to their tune and that's why he didn't go after Bin Laden when he should have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 06/18/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

You know why the GOP is upset about this ruling because it makes it difficult for them to hold people assumed to be terrorist and torture them indefinitely. They love torture AMerica has become a country that loves to torture we even have our prison where its carried out. One of the hallmark of a fascist government. There is NO need to act evil in order to stop evil that was NEVER who we were and its said that these FOOLS have convinced Americans that this is the only way to fight terrorism. Its not its the way CONTINUE terrorism because you give the terrorist propaganda for them to recruit. America hates muslims they keep them in secret prison and torture them some of them are even innocent. Its NEVER OK to torture and frankly it doesnt work. Heck if I was being torture I would tell you the moon is made of cheese if thats what you want to hear.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 06/18/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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O speaks the truth. First there was the incompetence at Tora Bora, maybe the last
threshold in Afghanistan left to catch him and the highly, trained operatives blew it?
Hard to believe. Then to distract the public from their obvious failure, intentional or
unintentional, hoping it would sway enough people, the invasion of Iraq. Go one
step further and make it about embedded journalists, traveling with the troops,
reporting every sign of enemy fire and what do you have?
Enough to keep Americans glued to their TV's for the duration of the troops moving
from Kuweit to Baghdad. I know because I watched it, my heart in my mouth, wishing
it was a dream and that I would soon wake up.
I hope that in the the 5 months left, O will constantly remind people of these facts,
so that at least some as yet unconvinced souls can join up the dots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 06/18/2008

The reason that Osama bin Laden is still free (and probably well protected) is that what passes for our government needs this bogey-man to scare the uninformed populace into relinquishing ever more rights in the systematic dismantling of our Constitution.

I hope all of you terrorist-fearing poltroons out there are proud of yourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 06/18/2008
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 120 fans permalink
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The GOP and the Taliban...one in the same.
The GOP just has better PR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 06/18/2008
- angelbravo I'm a Fan of angelbravo 3 fans permalink

About 90% of the Country stood with Bush when he said Bin Laden Dead or Alive. I think he ever refered to the old western posters. However Bush abused of goood faith, now 80% of the nation doesn't like the path Bush has taken. The Republicans Party can never be trusted again. Vote them out all of them!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 06/18/2008
- GeoNorth I'm a Fan of GeoNorth 12 fans permalink

Do you remember back in 2001 when we had Bin Laden cornered in Afghanistan and when our military asked for the go-ahead from Washington to get the bastard, The White House told them to back off. I believe that they did not want Osama captured for two reasons. One, he's valuable as a scare tool. The WH got a lot of mileage our of him for a while and when they were finished, we heard from the president that bin Laden is insignificant. That's a long way from dead or alive. The second reason is, Bush is buddies with Bin Laden's older brother. This older brother has bestowed great generosity on W and ini gratitude, has been covering for the skinny one.

While the White House was busy calling dissenters Unpatriotic, I believe that they were screwing us big time. By the way, remember the anthrax deal in 2001? It disappeared really fast after an innocent old lady died. These are all things to consider.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 06/18/2008
- Fastcad I'm a Fan of Fastcad 3 fans permalink
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Do you remember it was Democratic leaders that were mailed the anthrax,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 06/18/2008
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How could I forget. I was on an ERT team responding to white powder scares from doughnuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 06/18/2008
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It was never clear to me that the white house made them back off as much as it was just a monumental screwup. If you have sources for that please post them
thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/18/2008
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http://www.combatreform.com/realmountaindivision.htm

Some good reports and first hand accounts in this link.
Worth reading. I printed this out for my father, a WWII veteran of
The Battle of the Bulge and a faithful Fox News and Rush Limbaugh
fan. After he read it he just shook his head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 06/18/2008
- yair I'm a Fan of yair permalink

Thank you for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 06/18/2008

The problem we daily face with the Media is that They use the Ignorance and Inability of a Poor Old Man whom even cannot remember about anything he says when he try to survive in fantasy while living in a time he no longer belong too. Because what the Media does of this old man is to portray and CREATE him as the leader of peoples without HOPE, even though with the poor man's total irresponsibility to the reality of life in the 21st Century! It's like putting a Clown on the Top and Give him Order to do and say what he is told to do with a error margin of 3 or 5. This margin of Error is where the Media and corporate intellectual companies find sources as an instrumental intelligence when they transform his stupid statements to positive messages in order to convince peoples lacking of HOPE that this Old man is their Leader and destiny to an endless WAR followed of Bad Economy future.... Increased Poverty increased Criminality, Lost House and Death guarantee by a 71 years old Leader.

WHY Do They Hate America So Much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 06/18/2008
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