Obama: GOP Tactics The Reason bin Laden Is Still Free

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NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY | June 17, 2008 10:56 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., talks to the media during a news conference on his campaign plane en route from Michigan to Washington, DC Tuesday, June 17, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democrat had a naive, Sept. 10 mind-set toward terrorism.

"These are the same guys who helped to engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could have pinned down the people who actually committed 9/11," the presumed nominee told reporters aboard his campaign plane. "This is the same kind of fear-mongering that got us into Iraq ... and it's exactly that failed foreign policy I want to reverse."

The debate between the rival camps echoed the 2004 presidential campaign in which President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republicans argued that Democratic nominee John Kerry was soft on terror, a claim that resonated with voters and helped propel Bush to re-election. Democrats complained that the GOP was using the politics of fear.

The Republican argument proved less effective in 2006 when then Bush adviser Karl Rove said the Democrats had a pre-Sept. 11 view of the world and Republicans had a post-Sept. 11 terror attacks perspective. In November of that year, Democrats captured enough congressional seats to seize control of the House and Senate.

On his campaign plane, Obama told reporters that Osama bin Laden is still at large in part because Bush's strategy toward fighting terror has not succeeded.

At issue were comments Obama made in an interview with ABC News Monday in which he spoke approvingly of the successful prosecution and imprisonment of those responsible for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Obama was asked how he could be sure the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies are not crucial to protecting U.S. citizens.

Obama said the government can crack down on terrorists "within the constraints of our Constitution." He mentioned the indefinite detention of Guantanamo Bay detainees, contrasting their treatment with the prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

"And, you know, let's take the example of Guantanamo," Obama said. "What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks _ for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center _ we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.

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"And the fact that the administration has not tried to do that has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, 'Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims. ...

"We could have done the exact same thing, but done it in a way that was consistent with our laws," Obama said.

Obama agreed with the Supreme Court ruling last week that detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a constitutional right to challenge their indefinite imprisonment in U.S. civilian courts. McCain derided the ruling as "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

McCain aides criticized Obama for talking about using the criminal justice system to prosecute terrorists.

"Senator Obama is a perfect manifestation a September 10th mind-set ... He does not understand the nature of the enemies we face," McCain national security director Randy Scheunemann told reporters on a conference call.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey, who is advising the McCain campaign, concurred, saying Obama has "an extremely dangerous and extremely naive approach toward terrorism ... and toward dealing with prisoners captured overseas who have been engaged in terrorist attacks against the United States."

The Obama campaign countered with its own conference call in which Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Richard Clarke, a counterterrorism official in Republican and Democratic administrations, argued the McCain campaign was emulating Rove.

"I'm a little disgusted by the attempts of some of my friends on the McCain campaign to use the same old, tired tactics ... to drive a wedge between Americans for partisan advantage and to frankly frighten Americans," Clarke said.

Kerry accused McCain of "defending a policy that is indefensible" by siding with Bush's policies, particularly with respect to the Iraq war.

Obama said Republicans could be counted on to do "what they've done every election cycle, which is to use terrorism as club to make the American people afraid to win elections." He said he didn't think it would work this time.

Republicans criticized Obama last year when he said the United States should act on intelligence about top terrorist targets in Pakistan even if President Pervez Musharraf refuses.

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Beth Fouhy reported from New York.

WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democ...
WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democ...
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May be, I must address this comment to help our US children. Ok, it's not a big Mistake for this time... they made progress with only 1 Error (the b...instead of the...s). But there is HOPE for them too because the DEM have a real EDUCATION Program, for peoples like the author of this Ad. First they will have to learn that a Terrorist is a volunteer for WAR just like McCain and that could hopefully help them ... Not to make Mistake the next time they run after the wrong target because that would make the country save billion and billion of dollar as it took them 6 years and they’re still making Mistake when they point out the wrong terrorist.

The consequences are bigger than that, if in a Country of Great opportunity and Prosperity, McCain distance himself and try to find someone else to accuse as he is incapable to see differences between Peoples Best interests and Big Oil Companies and corrupted politicians of Washington DC's best interests.

WHY Do They Hate America So Much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 AM on 06/18/2008
- dotmafia I'm a Fan of dotmafia 43 fans permalink
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Just further proves that the GOP are just American terrorists in sheep's clothing. They'll do anything to terrorize the American public to further their own corrupt agendas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 06/18/2008

Anyone who falls for this trick is retarded. The Republicans will lose because like everything they touch has been mucked up and so retro that honest smart Americans can see they are fear mongering. I piti the fool who votes for them. How can anyone other than those who have say the war was a good thing? How can anyone say the war made us safer? Everyone of sound judgment will say we the Republicans ignored signs leading up to 9/11. Everyone of sound judgment will say there were no weapons of Mass Destruction. Everyone of sound judgment will say that the main reason for invading Iraq was for oil and to make there cronies (Haliburton and others) rich. So ask yourself, am I better off today than I was before 9/11? After 9/11? Can I say high gas prices do not affect where I go or what I do? Can I travel and take that same vacation I use to take each year? Can I afford health care? Can I pay my mortgage without grimacing or worrying that my property value has caved? Can I afford to go to school? Will I have a job next month? Can I buy groceries at the same price two years ago? Come on you stupid idiots...stop the madness. It's time for a new Day...Republicans out of the Way...It's Obama Time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 06/18/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

Not so quick - I see racism everywhere and those backward people will vote for their own worst
enemy before voting for a black person. I see it every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 06/18/2008
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The real issue is the self-righteous "we got it after 9-11, you didn't" mind set of the neo-cons.

A strange philosophy that concludes that the barbarism of "terror" is so new to mankind that the Constitution and Geneva Conventions no longer apply; arbitrary arrest, indefinite detention, and torture must be employed; and anyone who disagrees is "naive".

Also the old adage "know thy enemy" is "naive". Conversation should end right after the word "terrorist" is used.

I hope this debate gets more to the heart of the matter:

Bin Laden wanted to provoke us into a war that sapped our strength and damaged our economy.

BIN LADEN GOT JUST WHAT HE WANTED FROM BUSH

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 06/18/2008
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"BIN LADEN GOT JUST WHAT HE WANTED FROM BUSH"

and Bush got what he wanted from Bin Laden too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 06/18/2008

Keep Bin Laden free
Vote GOP!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 06/18/2008
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Obama came out strong on this issue. He's right Bush is the reason that bin Laden is free. Dems like Kerry and Clarke are pushing hard on this with Obama. This issue can easily be turned into McCain's weak point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 06/18/2008
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Sorry, that's Osama that other time, too; I had to trim down my comment and didn't pay enough attention to the name I left after cutting out specific explication of Obama's comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 06/18/2008
- egal I'm a Fan of egal 13 fans permalink
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It's true.

Military Intelligence requested time to finish the mission (preferably without war, minimally before it was begun), as they were very close to taking down Osama and his entire organization (which is freaking hard in the information age).

They also warned that a war would destroy their careful work and possibly put Obama beyond their reach ever again, would let him hole up where he might never be dug out, would incite more hatred of the West and grow new terrorist cells and devout members, and would create regional instability that must make it even harder to find and stop terrorists and keep the nation secure, severely reducing our safety and power.

The president ignored them then just as he ignored their input on the legality and productiveness (both were lacking) of his war, ignored the 99.something% of information and people warning that his sources were untrustworthy and flat-out wrong, ignored their strategies for success in waging such a war with any success, and ignored every expert in every other aspect of the whole debacle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 06/18/2008

Bush used 9/11 as a ruse to attack Iraq, just to satisfy his personal ego and settle scores because Saddam was denigrating sr. Bush. Using US military for settling personal scores is no less dictatorial and corrupt and no less evil than Saddam. Bush should be tried for his crimes for sacrifcing the lives of our soldiers and the tax dollars. Rather, Bush should have focused on eradicting terror that is breeding in Pak/ Afghanistan and catching the real killers and master minds of 9/11. Instead, Bush has been praising Pak . even an idiot would have seen the machinations of Pak, expect Bush and his cronies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 06/18/2008
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The Republican Party never intended to capture Bin Laden. As long as Bin Laden is free, he remains the poster boy of the Republicans eternal war. At any given moment, the Republicans can turn on the fear machine by using an imminent Bin Laden threat.

Just say the name Bin Laden and half of America will run to Home Depot to get plastic sheeting and duct tape.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 06/18/2008
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I was about to say that but you beat me to it... and judging from the number of comments so far, others probably did too. I don't believe for a second that Bin Laden is holed up in a cave or on the run. I'd bet a lot (if I were a betting man) that he's holed up in a suite in a luxury hotel somewhere with a large Blackwater security force looking after him and Kellogg, Burn and Loot is picking up the tab.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 06/18/2008

Ok everbody reading these post should know one thing At Tora Bora in 2001 SF literally had UBL in the crosshairs but needed orders to take the shot so they called the DOD to get the order. A little background on scapegoting Li BBy and R ov e clearly leaked the name of P lame yet they used the same scapegoat. That scapegoats name and DOD leader who refused to give the order without the GWB consent is one R i chard A rm itage who admitted on live TV that he could not give the order without consultin hire ups and by the time they got back to him UBL had already fled . One just has to wonder what could have they been doing in that time frame where they could have given the order iil bet it was planning an escape route for their brother UBL if u doubt this story PLEASE do some reserch on the man i named

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 06/17/2008
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2001?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 06/18/2008
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Why so cryptic, Are the cen sers out tonight?? You can't even write OBL? What is going on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 06/18/2008

Usama M Bin Ladin thats the name so wear it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 06/18/2008

I think Obama is right on, and good for him for standing up to the GOP and not putting up with their nonsense. He has the spine Kerry didn't, and he isn't overly dramatic about it, but he is firm. Reminds me of JFK sometimes.

In repy to your comment, I think what has disturbed me most over the years is why when we had Bin Laden in our crosshairs we had to wait for an order to take him out. The president had already decreed dead or alive. As the commander in chief he publicly put forth the order to kill Bin Laden. As a result of this non-action, we have thousands dead, injured, Bin Laden still at large, the Afghani army (what a joke) crossing into Pakistan to fight "insurgents", a completely useless war in Iraq, and an energy crisis. Why was the trigger not pulled, and who told the soldier/marines to wait?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 06/18/2008
- CFAmick I'm a Fan of CFAmick 4 fans permalink

Yep, US Spec Ops and British SAS had him holed up in a canyon and needed permission to engage. The Brits approved, the US didn't, supposedly b/c they feared too many casualties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 06/18/2008
- incontempt I'm a Fan of incontempt 2 fans permalink

Don't let the bush and McBush lie..

Fix oil the proper way democrats....expose the reason why we are here, LOUDLY

Tell the truth, loud and publicly to the people... this whole run up in fuel prices is a scam on the world by WALLSTREET and the GOP, they fanangled the trading rules to allow purchase of dry contracts!!...that means they don't need to take delivery of purchase...they just hold the paper.

To STOP high price of oil.....RESTRICT TRADING TO "WET" CONTRACTS only....IF YOU BUY YOU MUST TAKE DELIVERY OF OIL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/17/2008
- Ivar I'm a Fan of Ivar 2 fans permalink

Any of you folks out there aware that the CEO of one of our Large oil companies gets paid ...$50,000 per DAY? If you want truth, there is some for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 06/18/2008
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Wouldn't a deep analysis of the portfolios of the members of the administration and congress be interesting? I'd like a chart comparing their investment­s/earnings during the period 2000 - 2008. Bet it'd be FASCINATING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/18/2008
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I am voting republican, because sometimes the constitution gets in the way. I am voting republican so women can go back to having back alley abortions. I am voting republican because we cannot turn the white house into the black house. I am voting republican because we need to go into Iran...and North Korea.....and Cuba......­err....and­....errr..­..and....w­ell some other country will piss us off. I am voting republican because I don't want to change the bigomy, sexiism, racism that makes it such a great party. Don't you want to vote republican?

This message is endorsed by Jim Crow, David Duke and Pat Buchanan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 06/17/2008

Now that made me giggle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 06/17/2008
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ROTFLMFAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 06/17/2008
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You cannot forget to mention the fact that the BCD trio (Buchanan, Crow & Duke) are voting republican because they are hypocrites, they love other hypocrites and they attempt to peddle their hypocritical ways on others!

GOP? Not 4 ME!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 06/18/2008
- Bronxcutie I'm a Fan of Bronxcutie 3 fans permalink

I find it hilarious that the Repugnants are quick to label Democrats or liberal-leaning Independents as "unpatriotic." We are the ones fighting to restore the Constitution. The Constitution is not suspended in war time--or should I say during occupation time? It's not really a war in Iraq since they never attacked us. Barack is on the money with this one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 06/17/2008
- awcbuddy8 I'm a Fan of awcbuddy8 8 fans permalink

How democrats somehow called dibs on the Constitution is beyond me. Everything you advocate is pretty muchy found nowhere in the founding documents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 06/18/2008

No, we didn't. But Bush declared war on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 06/18/2008

Yeah, habeaus corpus, goes back all the way to magna carta ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 AM on 06/18/2008
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Maybe you should familiarize yourself first with what Democrats advocate *before* making a statement about it?

Just an idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 06/18/2008
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It was not a Democratic president who called it "a goddamned piece of paper". Instead, we run Constitutional law professors for the office of president.

So yeah, maybe we DO have some right to claim the privilege.

And since when did the GOP have the right to claim sole possession of our flag and our churches when the flag belongs to all of us and churches have inspired more liberal movements in this country than any other force?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 06/18/2008
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The big news in the polls today is that Obama has a 10 point lead in OH and after his MI tour I think he will get a big bounce in MI as well. If Obama wraps up decent leads in OH, MI and PA, he'd have a lock on getting at least 270 EVs.

Check out the new EC map with Clinton out of the race. Obama has gotten a consistent 4-6 point bounce which is the difference between a close race and a comfortable EV win.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/06/todays-polls-617.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 06/17/2008
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