Obama: GOP Tactics The Reason bin Laden Is Still Free

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NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY | June 17, 2008 10:56 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., talks to the media during a news conference on his campaign plane en route from Michigan to Washington, DC Tuesday, June 17, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democrat had a naive, Sept. 10 mind-set toward terrorism.

"These are the same guys who helped to engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could have pinned down the people who actually committed 9/11," the presumed nominee told reporters aboard his campaign plane. "This is the same kind of fear-mongering that got us into Iraq ... and it's exactly that failed foreign policy I want to reverse."

The debate between the rival camps echoed the 2004 presidential campaign in which President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republicans argued that Democratic nominee John Kerry was soft on terror, a claim that resonated with voters and helped propel Bush to re-election. Democrats complained that the GOP was using the politics of fear.

The Republican argument proved less effective in 2006 when then Bush adviser Karl Rove said the Democrats had a pre-Sept. 11 view of the world and Republicans had a post-Sept. 11 terror attacks perspective. In November of that year, Democrats captured enough congressional seats to seize control of the House and Senate.

On his campaign plane, Obama told reporters that Osama bin Laden is still at large in part because Bush's strategy toward fighting terror has not succeeded.

At issue were comments Obama made in an interview with ABC News Monday in which he spoke approvingly of the successful prosecution and imprisonment of those responsible for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Obama was asked how he could be sure the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies are not crucial to protecting U.S. citizens.

Obama said the government can crack down on terrorists "within the constraints of our Constitution." He mentioned the indefinite detention of Guantanamo Bay detainees, contrasting their treatment with the prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

"And, you know, let's take the example of Guantanamo," Obama said. "What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks _ for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center _ we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.

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"And the fact that the administration has not tried to do that has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, 'Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims. ...

"We could have done the exact same thing, but done it in a way that was consistent with our laws," Obama said.

Obama agreed with the Supreme Court ruling last week that detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a constitutional right to challenge their indefinite imprisonment in U.S. civilian courts. McCain derided the ruling as "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

McCain aides criticized Obama for talking about using the criminal justice system to prosecute terrorists.

"Senator Obama is a perfect manifestation a September 10th mind-set ... He does not understand the nature of the enemies we face," McCain national security director Randy Scheunemann told reporters on a conference call.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey, who is advising the McCain campaign, concurred, saying Obama has "an extremely dangerous and extremely naive approach toward terrorism ... and toward dealing with prisoners captured overseas who have been engaged in terrorist attacks against the United States."

The Obama campaign countered with its own conference call in which Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Richard Clarke, a counterterrorism official in Republican and Democratic administrations, argued the McCain campaign was emulating Rove.

"I'm a little disgusted by the attempts of some of my friends on the McCain campaign to use the same old, tired tactics ... to drive a wedge between Americans for partisan advantage and to frankly frighten Americans," Clarke said.

Kerry accused McCain of "defending a policy that is indefensible" by siding with Bush's policies, particularly with respect to the Iraq war.

Obama said Republicans could be counted on to do "what they've done every election cycle, which is to use terrorism as club to make the American people afraid to win elections." He said he didn't think it would work this time.

Republicans criticized Obama last year when he said the United States should act on intelligence about top terrorist targets in Pakistan even if President Pervez Musharraf refuses.

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Beth Fouhy reported from New York.

WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democ...
WASHINGTON — A defiant Barack Obama said Tuesday he would take no lectures from Republicans on which candidate would keep the U.S. safer, a sharp rebuke to John McCain's aides who said the Democ...
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- saltpeter I'm a Fan of saltpeter 56 fans permalink

The problem with Bin Laden is that he lords over no property that we want. He's not a traditional despot like Saddam that stands between the US govt (and the business interest they represent) and some resource rich land. He is leading the charge of an idea. Ideas cannot be beat back with war machinery. They flourish in the minds of all those who chose to fight for them. As long as the people who embrace the ideas of al-Qaeda feel (rightfully, btw) that Islam is under threat by imperialist forces led by the current US govt, the struggle will not end. Bin Laden has been neglected because he doesn't cozily fit into our foreign policy schemes.

The failure of those tactics lie not only in this administration but in our post WWII foreign policy in the Middle East. As long as we insist on setting up military and economic outposts in Muslim lands for the distinct purposes of feeding the bottom line of corporatists who could care less about economic fairness or even the semblance of peace, we are always doomed. Our IDEALOGY for occupation in ISLAMIC lands is of far less substance and of more narrow-minded concerns than that of the Bin Laden's of the world. As long as our ideology remains so superficial, we will always lose the the battle of ideas and we will never run out members of the opposition willing to defend their far more righteous beliefs. BY ANY MEANS NEESSARY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 06/17/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 27 fans permalink

Salt-peanuts, salt-peanuts....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 06/17/2008
- Darnamell I'm a Fan of Darnamell 5 fans permalink

I would argue that instead of the September 10th mindset that McSame is trying to sell us, Obama has a September 12th mindset.

Remember when the world was shocked and entirely on our side? Remember when we still had allies totally committed to our cause? People we could share intelligence with foreign nations and plan actions against our common enemies alongside?

Remember when we didn't have to be chastised with "don't forget Poland!" when trying to remember which few countries were still with us? When allies were common partners and not places to redention people to get tortured in the name of Almighty George Bush?

That, "my friends", was September 12th, 2001. Every day after that was a direct slap in the face of world opinion by George Bush, sanctioned by people like John McCain. Is that the kind of leadership we NEED to return to? The kind where we made common cause with our fellow democracies against an evil abusing religion for it's own dirty ends? Yeah. You bet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 06/17/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Great post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 06/17/2008
- Idiocracy I'm a Fan of Idiocracy 4 fans permalink

Nice post, Darnamell

Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 06/17/2008
- jeplanet I'm a Fan of jeplanet 40 fans permalink
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It's not often that i read an arguement on a post and think to myself
"0bama should say that" !!

But you really hit the nail on the head with this one and I think you should e-mail it to his website.
For real. Good job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 06/17/2008
- we0z I'm a Fan of we0z 7 fans permalink

"Americans you have nothing to fear but the Rupublicans themselves"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/17/2008

Tell it like it is O!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 06/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1564 fans permalink
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The only explanation that makes sense to me is that there has been a deal with bin Laden. They are leaving him alone in return for something else, such as letting Musharraf stay in power, or no attacks on Saudi Royal family.

There is no way that our military cannot find and capture/kill bin Laden after trying for more than six years. It doesn't make sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 06/17/2008
- SaulGood I'm a Fan of SaulGood 33 fans permalink

maybe they weren't trying

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 06/17/2008
- doofmann02 I'm a Fan of doofmann02 2 fans permalink

So Obama calls for going after the terrorists whether in Pakistan or not, and McCain whines about sovereignty. Meanwhile guys who joined up to give a little payback for 9-11 have the mission changed on them, currently putting in police duties for a "surge" so that the Bush legacy doesn't have to deal with an inevitable withdrawl. Who has the real ones? McCain certainly is not a friend to this military family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 06/17/2008

Bush and the Republicans don't want to catch Bin Laden. Bush let him go when we had him pinned down. Bush didn't go after him on purpose. Bin Laden is the big bad boogie man. Be afraid, Be very afraid! It makes me sick the way Bush and the Republicans used this horrible event for their own political advantage. (Rove!!!) Obama will get us out of this B S war in Iraq and finally go after Bin Laden. You remember him,the one that KILLED 3000 AMERICANS!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 06/17/2008
- Bluedanube I'm a Fan of Bluedanube 36 fans permalink

The Republican Party is a far greater threat to the U.S. constitutional form of government and it's continued existance than any cave dwellling terrorists. Through fear, propaganda, corruption, avarice and greed the Republican Party is ready, willing and, if unchecked, able to destroy the the American experiment in democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 06/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 617 fans permalink
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Remember when the Taliban said they would turn over Bin to a neutral country and dumbya said no ? That would have screwed up the Neo-Con plan to attack Iraq no doubt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 06/17/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

They don't want to capture and try OBL because that will make him a "martyr", and, in any event, it doesn't matter, because there are a lot of terrorists.

Really, capturing and trying one particular mass murderer is sort of a waste of time, in the Grand Scheme, plus it will just get the other budding terrorists all agitated, and we can't....upset them?

I couldn't run for chief of police on this wacky platform. John McCain's running for President on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 06/17/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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no doubt ... in deed!

they're going to have to stage a giant bomb that blows "Bin" to bits so they don't have to produce any "evidence"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 06/17/2008

Maybe they were afraid he would sing like a canary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 06/17/2008
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good for him. how can bush and the republicans keep us safe, 9/11 happened on their watch when they ignored warnings, bin laden is still free, and we are less safe and there are more terrorists. he should bring this up more often. as well as iraq, and that bush economic policies hurt the economy unless you are rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 06/17/2008

Honey, it hurts even if you are moderately rich--meaning in the top 10 percent--I know your heart bleeds, but it is only the top 1% that is not feeling the pain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 06/17/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 240 fans permalink
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Yes, the Hoarding Super Rich really should be distinguished from everyone else. If wealth were limited to like 100 milion these folks would be really pissed off :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 06/17/2008

Prediction: Obama wins the election in a Landslide. BinLaden is caught no later than next June.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/17/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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sorry. "capture' scheduled for Oct 08 -- probs no evidence - but you know how that goes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 06/17/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 240 fans permalink
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

Benazir B said he's already dead..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/17/2008
- Coyote2 I'm a Fan of Coyote2 85 fans permalink
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are we able to post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 06/17/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 240 fans permalink
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I cant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/17/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 240 fans permalink
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not me..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 06/17/2008


Obama needs to start a clock counter that counts the amount of millions spent every single day on this stupid war while the domestc infrastructure is falling apart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 06/17/2008
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What's a bigger fraud the Iraq war or McAdmiral?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 06/17/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 232 fans permalink

Thing is Iraq is an illegal occupation, hegemony! Iraq's "military" was dismantled at "shock & awe" ... what military will Mc NEVER surrender to! Clerics, insurgents, town folks, sectarians!? Basically, a whole bunch of street criminals ... the mujahedeen's are in Afghan! Iraqis may well take care of their street thugs ... seems a police enforcement situation to me! American boots on the ground seems to fuel that civil unrest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 06/17/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

I can't believe conservatives have managed to convince Americans that it is NOT IMPORTANT to punish this individual.

To whom is it "unimportant"? Since WHEN is US policy: "oh, well, there will just be another mass murderer to take his place! Why bother?"

That there is some abstract War On Terror theory that trumps punishing individuals that plan mass murders.

That it is zero sum. That they can EITHER capture, try and punish terrorists OR they can fight the War On Terror. They cannot do both. Those two things are at cross purposes.

Have you ever heard anything so crazy?

It's as if we've all entered black/white zero sum conservative crazy-town.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 06/17/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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does it matter?

a fraud is a fraud

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 06/17/2008

Hello, Iraq, hands down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/17/2008
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I have a scary feeling that there's more to Bin laden not being apprehended than we know.

As underhanded as GOP Rovean tactics are, some sort of pre-November surprise, would not surprise me as being in their devious plans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 06/17/2008
- JNo I'm a Fan of JNo permalink

Drudge has trotted out a few stories saying the same thing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 06/17/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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gee, ya think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 06/17/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 240 fans permalink
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Oh Kelly- quit being so smart so the rest of us can catch up ,OK? :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 06/17/2008

Oh, do you think we'll see McCain trotting him out of the cave by the scruff of the neck? The election coup de grace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 06/17/2008
- MissKaren I'm a Fan of MissKaren 43 fans permalink

What if Osama's freedom is quid pro quo his services as a scarecrow.

He's skinny enough.

Seriously, Bush found him more useful free than in jail so he farmed out Tora Bora to the locals. In return, Osama bin Laden releases occasional scare tapes when Bush is confronted with issues that he has to pay attention to and can't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 06/17/2008

I'm thinking poll numbers in early October showing a Demorcatic landslide then, WHAM! Major "terrorist" attack, elections are halted. At least until the GOP can get those Poll numbers turned around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 06/17/2008
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And NOW George Bush says we are going after bin Laden again... after plunging billions into Iraq and making his war profiteering friends and "Haliburton" Cheney all very rich men. Don't think for an instance that Cheney isn't profiting from this war just because he disavows making any money through Haliburton. He still has friends in Haliburton. Very RICH friends. Anyone who doesn't see this as nefarious is a fool. Obama should be lauded for bringing this into the race. Pound it away. Show that supporting McCain is a dangerous thing for this country. McCain now has nearly all the policies of Bush so if we elect him, we re-elect Bush. When McCain says he is not like George Bush, the only thing he can trot out to show a difference is that 5 years ago he was concerned about global warming. But what do his actions say? Only a fool would support 4 more years of McCain/Bush. Even if we ended up being taxed to our nipples, we would be in less pain and danger than we would if McCain/Bush clawed onto power. Obama is right. We have been duped and doped by a president who waged a war for distraction while the real criminal of 9/11 has gad 7 years of life and freedom that the 9/11 victimes did not. And the GOP, Bush, and McCain let it happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 06/17/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 78 fans permalink
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"Even if we ended up being taxed to our nipples" ???

Both tax plans, Obama and McCane, would reduce taxes overall. McCain lowers taxes for the rich even more than before. Obama lowers taxes for the middle and low income brackets, while raising rates for the upper 1%, those who make over $600,000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 06/17/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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A comedy of errors, negligence, and omission, and a tragedy of intent to do wrong; that is what you describe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 06/17/2008
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